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    • BunnyLass568
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        I’m not sure how to word this without getting anyone angry. I’m trying to think of how to make a better encloser for Blossom and Thumper whom are currently in large dog crates on a 6ftx3ft table. (6 long and 3 wide.) The reason or them being on the table is so Monster, Demon and Hailey, (our dogs) can’t get to them to hurt them. Do you see the dilemma? Though the dogs have accepted them we still don’t trust them with the rabbits on the floor, heck even when we handle them/carry them to the floor while they’re in their cages Hailey will whine/cry (and if we’re holding/handling them she will also go on her hind legs and place her front paws on our legs) and do her darnest to get to them. I’d love to make a bunny room for them but that’s not in our budget, at least not currently. Do you guys have any ideas on what we can do for them to make a better encloser?

        ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Pets-Passed away: Hailey (9 years old, half rat terrier and miniature pincher, Feb-5-2019),Monster (13 years old, mixed breed, Lhasa Apso and some form of terrier, Sep-14-2020), Demon (14 year old Lhasa Apso, Aug-3-2022) Blossom (6 year old bunny breed(s) unknown, April-7-2024) Thumper (6 year old bunny breed(s) unknown, April-12-2024)💔💔💔💔


      • sarahthegemini
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          Can you put them in your bedroom and make it off limits to the dogs?


        • Gordo and Janice
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            A separate off limit room would seem to be the best and easiest idea. Otherwise it would seem some skills involving building with clever creativity would be necessary for a better enclosure. I can’t really comprehend what you are talking about. All I can picture in my mind is a 6×3 small dining table with two dog crates on it each containing a rabbit. Or are we talking about more of a coffee table. Pictures are pretty much necessary to even begin to make suggestions.

            But truly a room, that doesn’t necessarily have to be a dedicated bunny room, that is off limits to the dogs would be easiest, safest, and therefore best in my opinion.


          • Vienna Blue in France
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              Bunnies need to have a barrier from the dogs, that much is obvious.
              The fact that the dogs whine and jump when the bunnies are in your arms is not necessarily to “get” at them but more to see what the fuss is about, to say hello, to sniff.
              By what you’re saying, I’m not sure what is in your budget, but there are very sturdy X pens which some members use (me included) which protect the bunnies from a dog if they are high enough.
              Obviously if your dogs are aggressive towards the bunnies then this is not an option and the bunnies should be kept in a separate room
              Do your bunnies get out of the cages to have a run around? if not then it is not acceptable for them to be kept in a dog cage on a table if they are not getting exercise.

              You can add a shelf in the dog cages which will add more than halve their surface area again and give them more options of where to stay. I presume their litter trays are in the cage too…

              If you have photos, we could help more.


            • BunnyLass568
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                Posted By sarahthegemini on 8/12/2018 11:04 AM

                Can you put them in your bedroom and make it off limits to the dogs?

                Nope. Sometimes they’ll only calm down if they’re in my bedroom with me if my parents leave. Even if I tell my mom that I don’t want the dogs in my room she’ll let them in anyway.

                ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Pets-Passed away: Hailey (9 years old, half rat terrier and miniature pincher, Feb-5-2019),Monster (13 years old, mixed breed, Lhasa Apso and some form of terrier, Sep-14-2020), Demon (14 year old Lhasa Apso, Aug-3-2022) Blossom (6 year old bunny breed(s) unknown, April-7-2024) Thumper (6 year old bunny breed(s) unknown, April-12-2024)💔💔💔💔


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                  Posted By Gordo and Janice on 8/12/2018 2:28 PM

                  A separate off limit room would seem to be the best and easiest idea. Otherwise it would seem some skills involving building with clever creativity would be necessary for a better enclosure. I can’t really comprehend what you are talking about. All I can picture in my mind is a 6×3 small dining table with two dog crates on it each containing a rabbit. Or are we talking about more of a coffee table. Pictures are pretty much necessary to even begin to make suggestions.

                  But truly a room, that doesn’t necessarily have to be a dedicated bunny room, that is off limits to the dogs would be easiest, safest, and therefore best in my opinion.

                  This is exactly the same table that they’re on: https://www.amazon.com/Office-Star-Multipurpose-Rectangle-Folding/dp/B0015TUXT8/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1535396856&sr=8-5&keywords=6×3+folding+table

                  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Pets-Passed away: Hailey (9 years old, half rat terrier and miniature pincher, Feb-5-2019),Monster (13 years old, mixed breed, Lhasa Apso and some form of terrier, Sep-14-2020), Demon (14 year old Lhasa Apso, Aug-3-2022) Blossom (6 year old bunny breed(s) unknown, April-7-2024) Thumper (6 year old bunny breed(s) unknown, April-12-2024)💔💔💔💔


                • BunnyLass568
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                    Posted By Vienna Blue in France on 8/12/2018 3:45 PM

                    Bunnies need to have a barrier from the dogs, that much is obvious.
                    The fact that the dogs whine and jump when the bunnies are in your arms is not necessarily to “get” at them but more to see what the fuss is about, to say hello, to sniff.
                    By what you’re saying, I’m not sure what is in your budget, but there are very sturdy X pens which some members use (me included) which protect the bunnies from a dog if they are high enough.
                    Obviously if your dogs are aggressive towards the bunnies then this is not an option and the bunnies should be kept in a separate room
                    Do your bunnies get out of the cages to have a run around? if not then it is not acceptable for them to be kept in a dog cage on a table if they are not getting exercise.

                    You can add a shelf in the dog cages which will add more than halve their surface area again and give them more options of where to stay. I presume their litter trays are in the cage too…

                    If you have photos, we could help more.

                    Two of the dogs are pretty aggressive, the oldest one will and does bite and the middle sometimes bites sometimes not. The youngest is the sweetest however she loves to chase everything, squirrels, birds, stray cats, ect. She also loves to try to eat everything, frogs/toads, caterpillars, ECT so we don’t trust our dogs to fully meet the bunnies. And yes, we do let them out to get exercise but the dogs make it hard, they do their darnest to get in to a room they’ve been closed off to for more than five minutes. Luckily they can’t reach the door handle but they will dig, cry, bark and try to sneak in the room by staying by the door. I’ve been having trouble with my camera so I don’t have pictures yet, my apologies. 

                    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Pets-Passed away: Hailey (9 years old, half rat terrier and miniature pincher, Feb-5-2019),Monster (13 years old, mixed breed, Lhasa Apso and some form of terrier, Sep-14-2020), Demon (14 year old Lhasa Apso, Aug-3-2022) Blossom (6 year old bunny breed(s) unknown, April-7-2024) Thumper (6 year old bunny breed(s) unknown, April-12-2024)💔💔💔💔


                  • sarahthegemini
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                      There’s a few things that are very concerning to me. That table for a start is only 6ft. How can TWO rabbit cages fit on there? They’d have to be incredibly small which isn’t appropriate. Rabbits need lots of space. Even if they get out of their cage for long periods of time.

                      Secondly, I don’t mean to sound rude but I can’t help but wonder why on earth you got rabbits when you have nowhere to keep them plus aggressive dogs. Is there anything you can do to curb the aggression? Training?

                      I also don’t understand why your Mum will not allow your room to remain off limits to the dogs (you said she let’s them in anyway) You’re an adult, right? I’m honestly just baffled by this entire situation and I can’t imagine how scared your rabbits must be stuck on a high table with scary dogs Is there no way at all that your Mum will take this seriously and keep the dogs out of your room? It really does seem like the only option at this point.


                    • BunnyLass568
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                        Posted By sarahthegemini on 8/27/2018 2:58 PM

                        There’s a few things that are very concerning to me. That table for a start is only 6ft. How can TWO rabbit cages fit on there? They’d have to be incredibly small which isn’t appropriate. Rabbits need lots of space. Even if they get out of their cage for long periods of time.

                        Secondly, I don’t mean to sound rude but I can’t help but wonder why on earth you got rabbits when you have nowhere to keep them plus aggressive dogs. Is there anything you can do to curb the aggression? Training?

                        I also don’t understand why your Mum will not allow your room to remain off limits to the dogs (you said she let’s them in anyway) You’re an adult, right? I’m honestly just baffled by this entire situation and I can’t imagine how scared your rabbits must be stuck on a high table with scary dogs Is there no way at all that your Mum will take this seriously and keep the dogs out of your room? It really does seem like the only option at this point.

                        I know which is why I’m asking for help. I’m sorry, I didn’t mean to sound rude. Their cages are dog cages advertised for medium-large dogs. They can stretch out and are able to run in them but not by much and honestly it breaks my heart.

                        That’s how my parents are. When they tell my sisters or I something they try to do what they told us as soon as possible, like the time when they said my younger sister could have mice and I could get hamsters they told me to go with them on a day out and that day I got my first hamster. I had no idea about what they were planning that day. For the rabbits they told me I could have them (at this time it was only meant to be one) but the next day my mom called her brother to go to the auction (which is on the weekends and this was a Sunday I think) but I didn’t know about it for another day or two so I didn’t get to say “we should wait a bit” as I was doing research. 

                        As for the training I honestly don’t know, they’re VERY stubborn (the dogs) but they were good for the hamsters, however the hamsters had hamster balls to protect them more.

                        I am and I have confronted her on numerous occasions about this but all she says is  “I forgot” or “the dogs were crying and doing all they could to get into your room for you so I let them in to let them know you’re ok and to cuddle with you”. And that’s why I want a bunny room, that room would be blocked off by the dogs even if I have to get a lock and key for it.

                        ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Pets-Passed away: Hailey (9 years old, half rat terrier and miniature pincher, Feb-5-2019),Monster (13 years old, mixed breed, Lhasa Apso and some form of terrier, Sep-14-2020), Demon (14 year old Lhasa Apso, Aug-3-2022) Blossom (6 year old bunny breed(s) unknown, April-7-2024) Thumper (6 year old bunny breed(s) unknown, April-12-2024)💔💔💔💔


                      • sarahthegemini
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                          The thing is, although those cages are for medium to large dogs, they’re generally for confining a dog whilst travelling or for very short periods of time. They’re not designed to be super spacious so even for a bunny, the size isn’t really adequate.

                          I’m even more baffled that your parents would just randomly tell you that you can have a rabbit. I could maybe understand them not being too happy or willing to accomodate if you just got a bunny willy nilly and bought it back home but the fact they just offered you one…? Did you ask for a rabbit prior to that? I’m really trying to understand your parent’s mindset.

                          I think you’re going to have to be stern and tell them that the rabbits are going in your room whether they like it or not and it must remain off limits to the dogs. Lock it if u must.

                          If that really isn’t a feasible option, then honestly I would take them to a shelter. They’re aren’t safe right now and to live in fear and not be given the bare minimum is unacceptable.

                          I know you know this. I know that YOU know it isn’t acceptable to keep conditions as they are. But ultimately, your parents need to understand too and if they don’t, the bunnies would be better off elsewhere


                        • Sirius&Luna
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                            I’m also worried about the bunnies biting and mating through the cage bars, if they’re squished together on a small table. Is there a barrier between them?


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                              Posted By Sirius&Luna on 9/07/2018 3:47 AM

                              I’m also worried about the bunnies biting and mating through the cage bars, if they’re squished together on a small table. Is there a barrier between them?

                              Same, I’m also worried about them hurting their teeth since they chew on the bars all the time and yes, there is. We’re currently using two dividers that the cages came with.

                              ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Pets-Passed away: Hailey (9 years old, half rat terrier and miniature pincher, Feb-5-2019),Monster (13 years old, mixed breed, Lhasa Apso and some form of terrier, Sep-14-2020), Demon (14 year old Lhasa Apso, Aug-3-2022) Blossom (6 year old bunny breed(s) unknown, April-7-2024) Thumper (6 year old bunny breed(s) unknown, April-12-2024)💔💔💔💔


                            • Sirius&Luna
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                                They’re chewing on the bars because they’re bored. What do they have in the cages? How much time do they have put the cage each day?


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                                  Posted By Sirius&Luna on 9/08/2018 3:00 AM

                                  They’re chewing on the bars because they’re bored. What do they have in the cages? How much time do they have put the cage each day?

                                  Honestly not much. I make them toys but they toss them in their water, especially if they have pellets inside completely destroying them.  I’ve been thinking about getting them some safe wood and turn them in to a toy for them. And they get…roughly, 1 hour- 2 hours. On a cooler day it’s about 2 hours 50 minutes or so.

                                  ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Pets-Passed away: Hailey (9 years old, half rat terrier and miniature pincher, Feb-5-2019),Monster (13 years old, mixed breed, Lhasa Apso and some form of terrier, Sep-14-2020), Demon (14 year old Lhasa Apso, Aug-3-2022) Blossom (6 year old bunny breed(s) unknown, April-7-2024) Thumper (6 year old bunny breed(s) unknown, April-12-2024)💔💔💔💔


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                                    Posted By sarahthegemini on 9/07/2018 12:02 AM

                                    The thing is, although those cages are for medium to large dogs, they’re generally for confining a dog whilst travelling or for very short periods of time. They’re not designed to be super spacious so even for a bunny, the size isn’t really adequate.

                                    I’m even more baffled that your parents would just randomly tell you that you can have a rabbit. I could maybe understand them not being too happy or willing to accomodate if you just got a bunny willy nilly and bought it back home but the fact they just offered you one…? Did you ask for a rabbit prior to that? I’m really trying to understand your parent’s mindset.

                                    I think you’re going to have to be stern and tell them that the rabbits are going in your room whether they like it or not and it must remain off limits to the dogs. Lock it if u must.

                                    If that really isn’t a feasible option, then honestly I would take them to a shelter. They’re aren’t safe right now and to live in fear and not be given the bare minimum is unacceptable.

                                    I know you know this. I know that YOU know it isn’t acceptable to keep conditions as they are. But ultimately, your parents need to understand too and if they don’t, the bunnies would be better off elsewhere

                                    Ah, I see. I apologize for my stupidity on that. My parents said that it’d be ok for the buns for a little while yet but even so I felt like I had to clairify/extend on the cage situation.

                                    I don’t know how over-exaggerated this is but basically ever since I could form a full sentence I asked for a rabbit. I even tried to bargain with my parents for one when I was in my early teens.

                                    I’m trying but she’s basically ignoring me. I’m gonna try to switch tatics by trying to talk to my dad. If I tell him no dogs in my room he’ll keep them out. I just gotta try to catch him on a good day, that’s going to be the hard part.

                                    ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Pets-Passed away: Hailey (9 years old, half rat terrier and miniature pincher, Feb-5-2019),Monster (13 years old, mixed breed, Lhasa Apso and some form of terrier, Sep-14-2020), Demon (14 year old Lhasa Apso, Aug-3-2022) Blossom (6 year old bunny breed(s) unknown, April-7-2024) Thumper (6 year old bunny breed(s) unknown, April-12-2024)💔💔💔💔


                                  • BunnyLass568
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                                      I hope this works…the desktop is slightly faster today….

                                      So my mom came up to me to ask if we (mostly meaning my dad) can gut/change this huge stand

                                      (–>) in to something safe for the buns. My dad said it’s possible but he doesn’t know how to go about it, do you guys have an opinion on this?

                                      ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------Pets-Passed away: Hailey (9 years old, half rat terrier and miniature pincher, Feb-5-2019),Monster (13 years old, mixed breed, Lhasa Apso and some form of terrier, Sep-14-2020), Demon (14 year old Lhasa Apso, Aug-3-2022) Blossom (6 year old bunny breed(s) unknown, April-7-2024) Thumper (6 year old bunny breed(s) unknown, April-12-2024)💔💔💔💔


                                    • Sirius&Luna
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                                        I guess you could turn it into something for them to play in, but it’s certainly not big enough to be a hutch.


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                                          I really don’t understand why you need to ‘catch your Dad on a good day’ Your rabbits lives are miserable right now. Waiting for it to be more convenient to discuss their situation isn’t really good enough. I’m sorry but when an animal/s are being neglected, you do not wait. Not to mention, you are an adult. I am really struggling to understand why you cannot take a stand. If you cannot be a responsible pet owner and your parents are refusing to be responsible pet owners, who exactly is responsible for these rabbits?

                                          Maybe you could add ramps and stuff and make the cabinet into a play centre with hidey spots.


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                                            I only roughly read through the topic, I wasn’t planning on answering but then I saw this topic and thought of you immediatly:

                                            https://binkybunny.com/FORUM/tabid/54/aft/167335/Default.aspx

                                            This user built a C&C/cube thingy cage to protect their buns from dogs. I don’t know much about it because it’s not really a thing where I live (the C&C stuff I mean), but I’m pretty sure it’s quite cheap to build one of these if you’re in the US. Maybe you can use that one stand you showed us, close it off some more with some blankets to make a “hidey house” thing and build a C&C cage around it, possibly with multiple levels and even a ceiling so that no dog can get in should they ever end up inside your room. The buns will then have the hidey house to hide if a dog happens to get in and they get scared.

                                            Just a brainfart from my end. I admire your will to get the bunnies the best life possible.


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                                              This is a situation that can definitely be baffling and frustrating for some members. We do not understand the full dynamic of what is really going on, and this member has asked for help so let’s do the best we can without creating a thread spiral.  

                                              Helloworld!!


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                                                So it looks like we have a two main challenges to deal with:

                                                1. You are at the mercy of your circumstance with little control?
                                                2. The circumstance is — Dogs being allowed into your room even though you have specified they are not allowed in?

                                                My suggestions 

                                                Edited to add:  I know some of the suggestions re the same or similar to what other members have already suggested — Just dittoing their good ideas. 

                                                1. Get a lock for your bedroom door OR other room “bunny room” that only YOU have the key for.
                                                2. Have a sit-down serious discussion with your mom and dad about what makes you feel safe. If you feel they just can’t be trusted, then rely on the “lock”.
                                                3. Put a dog-safe gate up at your bedroom door so that dogs can’t easily enter even when the door is open.

                                                Even with cubes or cages, if dogs, that could be aggressive, are allowed near bunnies who could be afraid of the dogs, it won’t matter if the bunnies are enclosed or not, the dogs pursuit will stress them out.

                                                So help us help you.. Do you have ANY control over the situation, otherwise you are asking members to help in an impossible situation which can prove to be frustrating. What are some things you can do to help ensure their safety? (Only you know your situation better than we do) 

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