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Forum HOUSE RABBIT Q & A Litter trained bunnies

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    • Snowbirdy6
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        Hi! I rescued a male bunny from the Animal Rescue League, and about a month later a neutered male bunny from the Humane Society. In the meantime, I got my first bunny neutered as well, so now I have two neutered bunnies. I began bonding them shortly after bringing the second one home and they took to each other very quickly. Completely bonded in about 5 days. My first bunny has always used the litter box and has never had a problem with it. My second bunny that I got from the Humane Society seems to me, that he was perhaps abused by his previous owner. He was much more difficult to litter box train in a smaller area. When I let them out of their cage, my first bunny doesn’t seem to have any issues finding and using a litter box. I have three accessible litter boxes, one in their cage, one in the one corner, and a large one in the back corner. My second bunny decides to go in that back corner where the large litter box is and he always pees right next to it. I’m so frustrated and I’ve tried everything and I just don’t know what to do. Any suggestions? My first Bunny always uses the litter box so I just don’t know what else to do for second bunny. When I clean up where he went, I put the tissue in the litter box and hopes to get him to go in there and then completely disinfect the spot that he peed. Thank you for your help and suggestions! These are my very first bunnies and I’ve only had them for about two and a half months.


      • Sirius&Luna
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          Does he always pee in the same place? Can you try moving the litter box over a bit to where he does pee? Or a larger box? Or is he overshooting it? Often they have their bum in the tray but pee still ends up going over the edge and they don’t understand that they’re doing anything wrong. I have cat litter trays in a larbge under bed storage box which catches any overspills!

          What are you using as litter? My bunnies stopped using their litter trays when I switched litter to one they didn’t like haha


        • Snowbirdy6
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            I have tried moving litter boxes and trying different litter boxes and different litters and no matter what I do, he keeps peeing right next to the Box. I watched him hop right over there to the litter box and pee right next to it. It’s driving me absolutely insane! I cannot take this year and all over my apartment.


          • Snowbirdy6
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              Now I put my other bunny, the one that hasn’t been peeing outside the litter box, on my couch and he urinated in my blanket. I’m just about completely fed up with this. I am really at my Wit’s End here. Any help would be appreciated


            • Sirius&Luna
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                Do you use bedding outside the litterbox? I’m afraid with litter training it is often just patience. So next time you see him pee next to the litterbox you need to immediately lift him up and place him in the box, and give him a treat. Every time you see him IN the litterbox give him a treat. Pick him up and put him in it at random points, and give him a treat. Is their hay near the litterbox?


              • Snowbirdy6
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                  In their cage they only use the litter box. I’m talking about when he is hopping around out in my living room. He will hop right over to where the boxes and pee right next to it regardless of anything I tried to do. I’ve tried moving it I’ve tried putting food in it, treats, hey, doesn’t matter. He will pee right next to the box. I’m absolutely fed up with this. And I cannot pick him up. He will take off so fast that I’m not even able to do anything about any mistakes he makes. I think this rabbit needs a lot of work, perhaps more than I’m able to give. I just don’t know what to do anymore.


                • Snowbirdy6
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                    In their cage they only use the litter box. I’m talking about when he is hopping around out in my living room. He will hop right over to where the boxes and pee right next to it regardless of anything I tried to do. I’ve tried moving it I’ve tried putting food in it, treats, hey, doesn’t matter. He will pee right next to the box. I’m absolutely fed up with this. And I cannot pick him up. He will take off so fast that I’m not even able to do anything about any mistakes he makes. I think this rabbit needs a lot of work, perhaps more than I’m able to give. I just don’t know what to do anymore.


                  • DanaNM
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                      Does the box have very high sides? My girl does this sometimes when she’s being lazy. I found it helps to make sure the box always has fluffy hay in it that she cannot reach without hopping in, and using one with lower sides.

                      I’ve also had good success with positive reinforcement. Try to track when he pees (mine usually do after meals), then preemptively lead him to the box with a treat. Give the treat when he hops in. Watch him like a hawk and do this frequently for a while.

                      Bonding can disrupt litter box habits so don’t despair just yet….

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                    • DanaNM
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                        Also, try putting tiles or a piece of linoleum around the box. It will make clean up easier, plus buns are less likely to see it as an extension of the box

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                      • Sirius&Luna
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                          I can see you’re quite distressed by this, but if he always uses the litter box when they’re in the cage, that sounds like you have something positive to work from. I know sometimes it feels super frustrating, but try to step back and remember that they don’t know they’re doing anything wrong.

                          How about every half hour that they’re out, you put them back in the cage for 5 minutes so he has a chance to pee?

                          You could also try puppy pads in the spot he’s peeing in to make clean up easier.

                          The other thing that I think could be a cause is the new bond. How long have you had them in total? I know you say they were totally bonded in 5 days, but that’s very very unusual, so perhaps it’s actually a territory marking behaviour if they don’t feel fully bonded. Certainly the odd peeing on the sofa sounds like it is.


                        • Snowbirdy6
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                            They’ve been together now for two months. They’ve always cleaned each other and snuggle and sleep together..but maybe you’re right? What do I do?

                            I’ve been following them around like crazy and have been giving them a treat every time they hop in the Box.


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                              They’ve been together now for two months. They’ve always cleaned each other and snuggle and sleep together..but maybe you’re right? What do I do?

                              I’ve been following them around like crazy and have been giving them a treat every time they hop in the Box.


                            • DanaNM
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                                Has the training been helping at all? I found that it made a huge difference after a couple days, but I’m sure every bunny is a bit different. In my case, we went from cleaning up like 5 pee spots a day to just 1 or none.

                                2 months isn’t too long… they might still just be settling down. Any unfamiliar smells in the apartment? Maybe a co-working brought their dog to work or something like that?

                                My bunnies will often pee on blankets because they are soft and fluffy, and it’s common for buns to pee on beds and other things that smell strongly of human.. as they feel the need to mark them.

                                I also still wonder about the height of the sides of the boxes… You might try a very large very shallow box, to make it even easier for him to hop in. Those large under-bed storage bins can work really well as litter boxes.

                                The other thing to rule out is a medical problem. So many behavioral issues in bunnies are actually symptoms of a hidden medical problem. Could be a bladder infection, or even a dental issue. Another member Wick says Wick’s box habits go out the window when his teeth need to be filed (he just can’t be bothered to hop in the box), even though he has no other symptoms. So I think if you rule out other causes and the training isn’t working, a thorough dental exam and general check-up would be a good idea.

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                              • Wick & Fable
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                                  Yes, Wick ditches litter box habits when his teeth are getting to him. If it were up to Wick, he’d always pee and poo everywhere. His natural inclination is not to go in the litter box, but he does it because he knows he gets scolded and carried and plopped in the box anyways if he doesn’t.

                                  I would dissuade from using treats as a positive reinforcer for doing the bizz in the box. Since rabbits can’t talk, we can’t be 100% certain what association they’re learning with the reward (see my forum topic here: https://binkybunny.com/FORUM/tabid/54/aft/164801/Default.aspx). Worst case scenario, your rabbit learns that pooping/peeing near you means they get a treat . Oh no! If your rabbits like to be groomed/pet, that can be a nice praise for adherent behavior. Alternatively, you can associate a phrase/tone of speech with positivity. Wick has associated “Good boy” with a good thing because I trained him to come to me with treats, and each time I’d say “Good boy” to reinforce that he did well. So even now when he goes in his box, especially darting there after a nap, I say it across the room so he knows, yes, I still want that behavior please.

                                  I can’t comment on the bonding because Wick is solo and I have no experience.

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                                    Yes, the “good boy” or the click is essential with training. You have to have something for immediate feedback for the behavior you want to reinforce.

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                                  • Heaven
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                                      Such an interesting thread, I can’t wait to start training Sam! So far I’ve taught him “lap” which means come sit on my lap for a cuddle, now he’s learnt that I’ll only hand feed him when he’s sitting in there >;p didn’t realise about the importance of an enforcement sound.

                                      Re: litter training, might be an obvious one but the number one thing that helped me when training Sam was picking up the stray poops and putting them into his tray so as to teach the correct place for them. He caught on in like 2-3 days.


                                    • DanaNM
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                                        This page has some great resources for getting started with clicker training:

                                        http://www.clickerbunny.com/clickercritterarticles.htm

                                        You don’t have to use a “click”, but any easily repeated sound, so the click works well for most. It’s pretty amazing how quickly they pick up on it. I taught my cat to “target” in about 10 minutes…

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                                      • Snowbirdy6
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                                          Well, I thought I was having some luck. But now of course today a huge spot right next to the litter box. My apartment isn’t very big, but I’m not able to Section That Part off so that he’s not allowed to get back there. How would I know if my rabbits are bonded or not? I’m wondering if perhaps he needs a new home? Maybe he’s not happy here. He had a thorough vet exam just a tiny bit over a month ago and he was perfectly fine . I’ve tried giving treats in the litter box and he just grabs the treat and darts out. I don’t think he gets it. I think he’s super stubborn and perhaps not that bright . It’s a shame because my other bunny is unbelievably smart and I could train him to do anything . But tax is just not interested in anything and just won’t listen at all.


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                                            It makes me feel sick, but I just don’t know how much longer I can deal with this. I wish I knew if I was doing something wrong so that I could fix it, but from what I’m reading and what I’m hearing from friends with rabbits, it seems I’m doing everything correctly. I just really wonder if perhaps tax needs a new home. But if he’s truly bonded with Onyx, then I wouldn’t want to break that bond because that would be mean and there’s no way I’m getting rid of Onyx.


                                          • Heaven
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                                              I don’t think you’re doing anything wrong, it sounds like you’re a very concerned and conscientious bunny mummy <3

                                              I can appreciate how frustrating it must be for you and that you probably don’t feel like persevering with all our bits of advice not having had any luck so far but here’s a couple more thoughts and suggestions anyway just in case.

                                              Did you say you’d tried putting a piece of linoleum/chair mat etc under the box so at least it won’t get on the flooring? I mean, at least he is peeing in the same place and it’s next to the box rather than random spots all over the room. With treats you could try holding them in your hand and only rewarding when he actually hops in the box (how I taught Sam to sit in my lap).

                                              Though I don’t have experience with two bonded buns, it doesn’t sound to me like yours are stressed in any other way from what you’ve said… Does it seem like it could be territory marking behaviour?

                                              At the end of the day Tax might just need a lot of extra love since you don’t completely know his background and there’s always that risk with adopting a rescue bun. If the only significant issue is that he pees next to his box, maybe the solution of putting something waterproof underneath it for the time being would do. There have been a couple of things with Sam that I wasn’t sure about and didn’t have an immediate solution for, and I just left it for a few days to watch him and see what kind of learnings emerged.


                                            • Sirius&Luna
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                                                If they’re grooming, snuggling and sleeping together it sounds like they’re bonded. Is there ever any chasing?

                                                I was worried that it was a super new bond which can result in territory marking etc, but since its been two months, I imagine that the bond is pretty solid.

                                                It sounds like you have made progress, so please don’t be too despondent. The fact that it improved for a bit means he’s getting there! He might just not fully understand yet. Some rabbits are just not very smart unfortunately! What kind of flooring do you have?

                                                I have 3 single buns at the moment, and there is poop and pee everywhere, so I understand your frustration! The thing helping me is to remember this is a temporary situation. Hopefully in a couple of months they will all be bonded, and the endless marking (and cleaning for me) will stop. I know it is difficult and infuriating though. Perhaps it would help to give yourself a time limit? Eg. I’ll spend a month trying the litterbox training, and if things haven’t improved by then I can start looking at other options. Often having a date, even if it’s vague, helps things seem more manageable.


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                                                  I totally understand your frustration when it comes to him peeing right next to the litter box. Garf used to do this all the time, he often looked like he was doing it on purpose too! 

                                                  What I used to do was, as soon as I caught him peeing say “NO!” and place him in his cage whilst I cleaned it up and then let him out whilst it was clean again. Then every time he used the tray I would say “good boy” or “yaaayy” and get him a treat. 

                                                  It only took him about 2 weeks or so once I used this technique and now he’s good *touch wood* 99% of the time, even with poops. 

                                                  I would give your little guy a bit longer, like the others said you don’t know his full history. Make sure he’s getting lots of positive attention when he’s being good, and no attention when he’s being naughty – I’m sure he’ll catch on  


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                                                    I have put puppy pads underneath the litter box that he’s peeing near and it has helped with the cleanup, but he’s still doing it. I’ve tried a different litter box and putting more hay in it and treats, nothing is working. I think my question is if they are truly bonded. Perhaps he is territory marking because they’re not? They aren’t aggressive towards each other but there is some humping still going on. I’ve also found that Onyx has Been not as active as he normally is. I took him to the vet twice and check-ups have been fine. What if Tex and Onyx actually just put up with each other? How would I know? I am considering getting an even longer box for that area in hopes that he’d go in it, but the box that is there is pretty big and is pretty shallow for him to hop in.


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                                                      Ill keep trying with Tex. I like the idea of setting a date and I’m going to do that.♥️


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                                                        A bit of humping in bonded pairs does happen sometimes, its not necessarily a sign of them not being bonded. Can you tell us a bit more about how they behave together? It does sound like they ARE bonded – I’m sorry for raising the doubt, I just thought it could be a possible explanation for why he’s being so stubborn, but everything you’ve said since then makes them sound like they are well bonded.

                                                        Have you tried Wick’s hissing when he pees outside the box method? And actively lifting him in to the box every time you see him pee outside it.


                                                      • DanaNM
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                                                          Even though you’ve been to the vet, I still wonder if back molars could be an issue, and those can only be seen with anesthesia. Or something else that might be detected with blood work…Especially since you mentioned he hasn’t been as active?

                                                          A molar trim at my vet costs about $150-200, for reference.

                                                          It does sound like things have improved though, so I’m glad you are going to keep at it for a bit longer.

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                                                            Tex is the bunny having the litter box problems. Onyx is the one that has been a bit less active. Onyx has been to the vet twice and they did look in his mouth to the back molars with some kind of thing. Text was just neutered and put under anesthesia and was given a thorough exam and he looked good as well. I had them out just now for almost 2 hours with no accidents so I put them both back in their cage so that we end on a happy note. I’ll let him in there for a little while and then once they go to the bathroom I’ll bring them back out again. Here’s hoping! Thank you!


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                                                              Well not just neutered.. that was in the middle of November


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                                                                Posted By Snowbirdy6 on 1/19/2018 4:49 PM

                                                                Tex is the bunny having the litter box problems. Onyx is the one that has been a bit less active. Onyx has been to the vet twice and they did look in his mouth to the back molars with some kind of thing. Text was just neutered and put under anesthesia and was given a thorough exam and he looked good as well. I had them out just now for almost 2 hours with no accidents so I put them both back in their cage so that we end on a happy note. I’ll let him in there for a little while and then once they go to the bathroom I’ll bring them back out again. Here’s hoping! Thank you!

                                                                That’s great, way to go Tex! And you! 

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                                                                  Yea! By the way, your moose looks a lot like my onyx.. a black otter. Was moose a mini rex too?


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                                                                    Moose was a Satin

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                                                                      Well, it seems I am taking one step forward and two steps back. Yesterday tex had one accident all day which really wasn’t that bad. Today he had another accident. I picked him up and put him in the Box. The problem with him is that it’s so hard for me to catch him. He’ll pee and the second that I walk over to pick him up he takes off so fast that I can’t catch him and it’s just me chasing him around which can’t possibly be helpful. Now today, I put them in their cage while I was doing some cleaning and, their litter box in the cage is completely clean, he walked right over and peed right next to his water bowl. I’m trying to give it time and patience but, I have had it! And by keeping him in his cage, it ends up punishing Onyx who’s being such a good boy and now he’s stuck in the cage with tex. This sucks. I love having Onyx out all the time, but Tex is preventing it. I’m so sad and so bummed out.


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                                                                        SO! Onyx stopped eating and urinated in his blankets! I am at the ER vet now.. so perhaps Tex was trying to tell me something was wrong with Onyx all this time!! The vet thinks o nyx has a uti which has caused go stasis! A ck!


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                                                                          Oh my goodness! Hope he makes a speedy recovery!

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                                                                            He’s doing so well!!

                                                                            Question, what’s a way to get your bunny to drink more? Yes drinks from a bowl but Onyx is only interested in the sipper bottle. He’s not drinking though and never really did to be honest. Any good ways to get him to drink more? Thank you all so much for your help!


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                                                                              I’ve read on here before that mixing water with a small amount of pineapple juice or apple cider vinegar for flavour can help


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                                                                                A good way to get them to consume more water is by giving them wet veggies Bunnies can actually get most of their water needs from veg, so if you serve it wet as well, you don’t need to worry about them drinking from other sources too much.


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                                                                                  That’s a brilliant tip!


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                                                                                    You should soak the pee up with a tissue and place it in the litter tray so he knows from the scent where to do it. Also, all bunnies should have a “base”. My bun Finn is very good with his toilet habits and always does his pees and poops on the top part of his indoor hutch.
                                                                                    If he continues to pee next to the litterbox get some of those multi coloured child mats from amazon and set about 6 of them together and put the tray on that. That way if he pees he will do it on the rubber mat and it protects your floor. Never put your rabbit on your bed or sofa – they will more likely pee as they can’t get to their toilet quick enough.


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                                                                                      Oh just saw this second page! Hope your bunny is feeling better!
                                                                                      I would always be mindful of new bunnies. I left Finn 6 months before i let him roam around my flat. I use to have him in a pen and i noticed there was no poops in there, and when i put him back in his cage is ran up to his toilet and was desperate for a pee lol. I just assumed he would pee on the rubber mat or litter tray in there. Nope. He held it in until he could go to his toilet. So when this happend i knew i was safe to let him roam free.


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                                                                                        Hi! Just wanted to thank everyone again for all the tips. Also wanted to let you know that Onyx is doing very well and eating and having no issues! I also significantly decreased there roaming space after reading some of your very helpful tips and posts and tex has not had an accident since! Knock on wood of course! Thank you thank you! I even decided to make their c.f. cage larger and they absolutely love it! Thank you!


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                                                                                          Hi! Just wanted to thank everyone again for all the tips. Also wanted to let you know that Onyx is doing very well and eating and having no issues! I also significantly decreased there roaming space after reading some of your very helpful tips and posts and tex has not had an accident since! Knock on wood of course! Thank you thank you! I even decided to make their c.f. cage larger and they absolutely love it! Thank you!


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                                                                                            That’s wonderful news!

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                                                                                              Great news! Well done on your persistence!

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