Are these medications safe?*updated pic*

[Crashley]

I took winnie to the vet today for her drooling mouth. He checked her mouth well with the otoscope, i think its called and said het mouth looks fine. He ruled it out as some form of dermatitis. He gave me two topical treatments to apply to the skin. One is like a sauve and its called zosil. The other is called duoxo chlorhexidine 3%. Apply bothbof those to the side of her face 2 times a day. Any experience on these? Are these safe?

[Crashley]

Moist facial dermatitis. With no teeth problems? Ughh this just doesnt seem right to me. Although winnie does eat all food. Eats all her hay and pellets and salads

[LBJ10]

Dental problems are by far the most common cause of drooling. If external examination of the teeth doesn’t show anything, you could always have x-rays done. Tooth root problems, abscesses, hairline cracks, etc. would not be observable with an otoscope. But… there are other causes for drooling that you could possibly explore if nothing can be found wrong with the teeth.

Chlorhexidine is safe to use, but it can be irritating to sensitive skin. As for the Zosil, that isn’t actually a medication. It’s a brand of ointment base. So something was added to the ointment. Did the vet write it down on the packaging anywhere? Or the invoice?

[Crashley]

Im waiting to rule out ringworm. I seen someone elese posts on here that looks just like winnies and they suspected ringworm. If this spreads, im assuming it probably is a fungal infection?
It does not say on the packaging or the invoice, just says zosil. Winnie seems to be doing fine. Shes eating hay currently. I have my girls seperated at the moment. I wish i post a pic but my phone wont let me. If you go to a post by flopsy on here she posted pics of her rabbits face thats exactly what winnies looks like. Except the vet shaved winnies face

[LBJ10]

There are no scabs or scales or crusts though?

[Crashley]

There are no scabs, no scales, no crusts. Its just red right now. Today was my second treatment of chloridine pads and zosil sauve. It doesnt seem to hurt her. No teeth grinding or anything like that. No swelling. Just red raw skin(its shaved). It doesnt really smell anymore either. Which is good im assuming.

[Crashley]

Here is Winnie’s face

[LBJ10]

That looks like moist dermatitis to me.

[Crashley]

Thankyou LBJ10, that eases my mind just alittle bit more then before. Now to understand the cause..is the hardest part. Is it possible that she dipped her face on accident in her water bowl, and bc rabbit fur doesnt dry easily it just stayed wet? I guess my question is, that is if she were to have no dental problems, what else can cause moist dermatitis?

[LBJ10]

Although most of these are not common, MediRabbit does provide a list of things that cause drooling/moist dermatitis:

http://www.medirabbit.com/EN/Dental_diseases/Differential/generalities_ptyalism.htm

Keep in mind, these are not common. Dental problems and pain are typically the cause of this issue. It might be worth exploring the tooth problem scenario further. I know the vet looked in there, but you would be surprised at how an extremely small spur can cause a bunny a lot of pain. We have seen it happen several times on the forum. The vet initially doesn’t believe it is tooth-related and then it ends up being tooth-related. If possible, the vet should sedate Winnie to get a really good look at her molars, tongue, cheeks, etc. If nothing is obvious, then x-rays should be considered to rule out root problems, etc.

[jerseygirl]

Posted By LBJ10 on 10/09/2017 9:01 PM

Although most of these are not common, MediRabbit does provide a list of things that cause drooling/moist dermatitis:

http://www.medirabbit.com/EN/Dental_diseases/Differential/generalities_ptyalism.htm

Keep in mind, these are not common. Dental problems and pain are typically the cause of this issue. It might be worth exploring the tooth problem scenario further. I know the vet looked in there, but you would be surprised at how an extremely small spur can cause a bunny a lot of pain. We have seen it happen several times on the forum. The vet initially doesn’t believe it is tooth-related and then it ends up being tooth-related. If possible, the vet should sedate Winnie to get a really good look at her molars, tongue, cheeks, etc. If nothing is obvious, then x-rays should be considered to rule out root problems, etc.

I agree ^.

Crashley, you mentioned her drinking more and dipping face in bowl in your other thread. And that she might be doing that because it felt nice. I agree with your thinking on that. Some rabbits with dental/oral issues might start drinking more to soothe inflammation. 

[Bam]

The vet I had before ruled out dental problems with my Yohio, his problems persisted, after 3 weeks the vet decided it probably was his teeth after all. They put him under full anesthesia and burred his teeth, and his problems went away. But he didn’t have wet cheeks. He just had appetite- and tummy issues.ETA: Just remembered, he did sit with his nose in his water bowl, presumably for pain relief. 

Tooth roots can be seen on a skull x-ray. If you have a good rabbit vet the bun should not have to be sedated for that. My Bam had skull- and chest x-rays without sedation 6 weeks ago, at a really good rabbit vet clinic.

[Crashley]

Thanks everyone. When I return to the vet in about a week or so. I am just gonna rewuest that he does an x-ray before putting her on any oral medications. I will keep this posted up on updates. The good thing is however. Her face has not been wet, since ive started topical treatment.

[Bam]

That’s a good thing! Hope it keeps clearing up!

[Crashley]

I have scheduled Winnie’s vet appt for saturday at 1 pm. I requested that an x-ray be completed for her face. It’s Within the same vet, but they rotate dr’s. So, it wont be dr. riggs this time cause he’s not in on saturday’s, it will be a different vet’s opinion. Which Im really glad!! fingers crossed, he finds the problem with the x-ray

[LBJ10]

Keep us updated!

[Crashley]

Here is Winifreds face now. Picture above and this picture is pretty much one week apart. this is with the cleaning pads and zosil sauve Ive been putting on her twice daily. tomorrow is her vet appt for a face x-ray

[Q8bunny]

The skin looks infinitely better.

[Crashley]

Winnie’s vet appt was saturday. I seen a different vet, part of the same hospital though. So, that made two different vet opinions. The one i seen on saturday did a thouroghly long exam on Winnies face and teeth. He advised that it was my choice to do an x-ray If I wanted to. But he stated he was %100 certain it was not dental problems. He said it is most likely ring worm, mites. HE even stated that she may have gotten bit by something like a spider or even Pepe may have love nibbled to hard. Her face has not been wet at all since I’ve been doing treatment. He said that she was definetely most likely intentionally dipping her face in water cause the bite or little wound was hurting her or causing her face to burn alittle. He said her saliva levels are really good too(another reason its not dental problems). He stated that he wants to wait a month to see if it changes or how its healing before he does a skin scrap. He said what ever happened is not life threatening. Winnie had a little wound on the side of her face, it was yellowish with a little dried blood. Which made him believe that she may have defintely gotten bitten by something. That little bite has healed and gone away. now. She is still eating all her food, drinking normally and she is still doing backflips for pellets. lol she doesnt do back flips but she does tornado around my feet for pellets.

[Crashley]

Here is a photo of the little bit that was found. Its a blury picture but its inside of the pink circle. This photo was taken after a treatment session, thats why it looks wet and kinda gross looking. But it when I found this bit looking thing. She didnt like it being touched either.

[Bam]

The skin looks all healthy now! If it’s teeth-related it would of course come back again and again and ointments would only provide temporary relief, so let’s hope it was a bite of some type. Some tick bites can cause moist dermatitis in dogs, I read. In dogs moist dermatitis is called hot spots and it’s kind of common.

[Q8bunny]

Dang bugs. Hate’em all. *grumble grumble*

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