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    • Katie
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        Hello there!(: I’m a new house rabbit owner.  And new to this website!  My baby’s name is Sirius, and I THINK it’s a girl.  She hasn’t sprayed pee at all, and doesn’t seem to have testicles, so I’m pretty sure it’s safe to say it’s a she.  She is about 3 months old I believe, and she is a lionhead dwarf breed.  I have a feeling she has hit bunny puberty.  Her previous owner wasn’t the best caretaker for her, so she moved in with me about a week or two ago.  So for all of her baby-hood, she was only minimally exposed to litter training, not even consistently, and only probably had an hour’s worth of attention and run time at the most.  She’s in better hands now.♥

        I have read various posts online and on here about what to get for her, how to correct her, etc.  And I will most likely get her spayed ASAP, but meanwhile I’m having a terrible time litter training her. 
        I removed all bedding from her cage, and just leave it bare with its plastic bottom.  This has DRASTICALLY reduced the amount of pooping she does in the cage, and eliminated the peeing completely (I think?  I can’t see any pee; I’d notice a puddle, or even a dried, milky looking spot if she peed on the plastic bottom instead of in her box, right?…….)
        She has a corner litter box, (in photo,) with high sides on the back, and a wire screen over top of it, that she pees in, (99% sure she pees in it, anyhow [see above]) but she seems to be pooping outside of it.  I really want this corner litterbox to work.  It’s nice and I like the wire screen since she has long fur that I don’t want to get dirty.  She’ll poop while eating her food at her food dish sometimes..  She’ll poop in various places all over her cage; both in single pills, which is in a territorial way, and Also in big, 3-6 pills or more piles of poop at random.  I always grab her and tell her “No,” (even if I see her poop Outside of her box as she’s Inside her Cage,) and place her in her litterbox, with her droppings, and say “litterbox,” then pat her and tell her she’s good.  She’ll get in the litterbox on her own sometimes, but still poops outside of it also.  She seems to groom herself a lot in her litterbox.
        I do let her out of her cage to run around, as I would really LOVE for her to eventually be free roaming.  As for these first few months or so though, she’s only in one small room of my house.  We do have two dogs; both are friendly and only seem to be curious about her, and she doesn’t seem THAT nervous about them. (I could be wrong..)  The dogs don’t really bother her much or come to see her much. Aren’t even in the room that she’s located in much.
        When she’s outside of her cage, for the first few days she was here, she didn’t really poop or pee outside of her cage.  Now all of a sudden, she tends to poop in big piles out of her cage.  Again, I always grab her and say “No” and then herd her into her Litterbox and say “litterbox” and “good” and offer pats.  I can NEVER catch her in or before the act though; she’s all black, and long haired, and SO DARK.  I can’t see when she lifts her tail up to pee and/or poop, so whenever I catch her it’s RIGHT AFTER she has done the deed. 

        I’m sorry this is so long, but I wanted to be thorough!  All help appreciated.  Thank you!(:


      • Dface
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          Reduce the amount of room she has-she might be trying to mark all of her territory.
          In fairness even litter trained rabbits arent overly fond of having to poop in the box, take the small victory that she is usually peeing in it.
          When she pees in your room is it the same spot or different?


        • Katie
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            It’s been in different spots.  One spot was a usual spot though, so I made her a new litterbox and put it in said spot. 


          • OverthinkingBun
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              Have you tried bribery? I think most rabbits like to eat hay while they poop in the litter box. I put hay on one side of the box, and my bunny seemed to get the idea. But you might need a larger litter box than the one you are using for that to work. Good luck, and I’m glad that your bunny has a new home with you.


            • Katie
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                I just ordered a hay rack and hay from the online store part of this website.  Waiting for it to arrive.  I’m sure, and really hoping that it will help.  Today she was being adorable and laying down calmly against a wall and I was petting her for 10 mins or so…..  As soon as she got up, she plopped a Huge pile of like 10+ poops and then hopped away like it was nothing.  UGH.  Rabbits really can try your patience.  This seems to be a trend, too; more than one poop at a time. 
                I’ve tried pats and treats, and positive coos and words while she was in her litterbox….  This is just so difficult.  Lol.
                I am so envious, and Really wonder if I’m doing something wrong, when I see that a lot of owners have said they just places a litterbox in the cage/room and the rabbit already knew what to do and it was easy )’: I feel like a bad bunny mom!


              • jerseygirl
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                  I inserted the photo for you. Just click on “insert Image” icon next to the file name once it uploads.

                  She’ll poop while eating her food at her food dish sometimes..

                  Does she get hay in her diet? One trick for getting them *mostly* pooping in litterbox is to place hay in it or in a rack directly over the litter box. You could put her other food in a container that fixes to the cage side, so she has it over the litterbox too, if you wanted.

                  TBH, I’d try a bigger, rectangular litterbox that fits all way across that end of her cage. You could probably find one that has a screen like the current one.

                  Do you put a litter box out in the area where she runs around?


                • Dface
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                    Now that I can see it , I second jersey! Your rabbit might be more cooperative in her training if she had a bigger tray! Mine aren’t much bigger than her and have an under bed storage container. Rabbits like to eat hay from their litter box, and some even enjoy sleeping an hanging out in it too!


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                      Yep, I agree. A bigger box would help! Also I imagine that the wire bottom is uncomfortable to stand on. You will find that most items “marketed” for rabbits are not actually the most suitable. I use cat litter boxes for my bunnies. If I were you, I would also look into getting wood stove pellets or equine pellets for litter. I started with paper and let me tell you, the pellets are SOOO much better. With paper, you just end up with soppy wet clumps that drip pee when you are trying to clean. Pellets are much more absorbent! And with a bigger box, you can put hay in! Either hang the rack over the tray (I started that way) or just put it right in the litter box with them. I know it seems yucky, but that’s how they like it! Grazing and pooping lol.

                      I have two buns who were both very good litter habits, but one is not neutered so they are separated by baby gates. I am constantly picking up poops from either side lol.


                    • Hazel
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                        Welcome to BB and congrats on getting your first bunny!

                        You’re right, a lot of bunnies kind of litter train themselves. But usually that’s when they haven’t hit puberty yet. Once that happens, almost all of them lose their litter habits. You just skipped that first part. Try not to get frustrated with her (I know it’s hard), just remember that she’s not doing this to spite you. She’s simply being flooded with hormones right now and this is what hormonal rabbits do. And until she’s been spayed and has had time to level out her hormones, this will continue. I wouldn’t really bother trying to litter train right now, it isn’t likely to do any good and will just stress you out. At this point people usually just try to manage the situation until the bun has had it’s surgery and time to heal.

                        As others have already said, bunnies like to go while they eat, so putting their hay and food in the litter box helps a lot. It looks like you have one of those small pet store cages and the litter box has become too small for her too. I would suggest you get a different (bigger) cage as well as a bigger litter box. Lots of people use x-pens or build their own cage out of NIC cubes. Both are great options and so much cheaper than the rabbit cages sold at pet stores. Did you get this one from the previous owner or did you buy it? If you bought it, maybe you can return it? The wire on the litter box is probably uncomfortable for her to sit on. A rectangular cat box would be good, you want one that’s three or four times the bunny’s size. they like to have some extra room, and it will allow you to fit a food bowl and hay in there. I have the hay rack mounted above the litter box. I would put a food bowl in there too, but our bun eats so fast that he ends up choking, so we have to feed him with a treat ball to slow him down. Of course that means he leaves a few poos on the floor while eating.

                        Even rabbits that have been fixed leave some poos occasionally, so you shouldn’t expect perfection at any point. They have to eat more or less constantly to keep their digestive tract moving, so they pretty much poop all the time, too. As Doug Heffernan would say, “Eat a pellet, make a pellet!”

                        And by the way, both male and female rabbits spray, and males are able to suck their bits up into their stomach, so she could be a he after all.


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                          I don’t mean to discredit Hazel, but everybun is different. My girl was very good about litter box habits before her spay. I had a box that I bought online that was just tiny, and she was often pooping out of the edge of the tray, but when I got her a bigger box that problem was solved. And as I mentioned earlier, the wire is probably uncomfortable, so she may just not want to sit in it. You don’t have to give up, try a bigger box and having hay close and you may see an improvement


                        • Hazel
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                            No problem BN, although I’m not sure what it was that you said that would contradict with what I said? Maybe I’m just missing it. I was just speaking in general terms, it’s great that your girl kept using her litter box up until her spay. Katie seemed to be getting a little frustrated (understandably), and I wouldn’t want her to start pulling out her hair trying to fight those bunny hormones. She can always keep trying, of course.


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                              Oh, perhaps I should have quoted so you see what I meant by that! I was responding to the part in your post that said not to bother training right now as it likely won’t do any good. I suppose I don’t understand the litter frustration because both of my buns have been surprisingly exceptional with litter habits since the beginning! I honestly began to wonder if the breeder had magic bunnies that were popping out perfectly polite little fluffs LOL

                              I just meant that maybe changing a few variables (such as litter tray size, adding hay, no uncomfortable wire) might get those litter habits on track! I understand what you mean now, that stressing where the poops are left is something that can be handled later on. I didn’t want you to feel as though I was trying to discredit your saying that it may be best to stop as it might not improve


                            • Katie
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                                Yes!  I did put a litter box out where she roams also, in a spot that she seemed to keep wanting to poop in. 


                              • Katie
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                                  Thanks for the welcome!  I actually have a huge cage I can use for her when she needs a cage upgrade.  It’s an old dog cage but it’ll work!  I was trying to get her litter trained first though before the switch, so as not to upset her and make the change remove her new training….  I hope that makes sense, lol.  She really doesn’t mind the wire; she pees in the litterbox….  Just doesn’t poop in it ALL the time.  And still poops around her cage, AND in the room when she’s out and about running.
                                  She runs onto the litterbox all on her own a lot of the time, and today I absolutely heard her pooping in it, so I gave her a treat.  But since she runs onto it herself and uses it at least 75% of the time, which I’m sure she wouldn’t do were it not comfortable, Do you guys think that’s a good indicator that she has the idea?  But her hormones just prevent the rest of her training from coming through???
                                    I will look into getting a new box though…… 
                                  Oh yes!  I read that female rabbits can also spray.  I have no idea what she is yet, lmao.  I’m sticking with she for now though.  It doesn’t matter though; love this sassy critter regardless.  She’s so funny and entertaining.


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                                    That she always pees in the box is great. We don’t always get 100% poops in the box though. Many fling out when they jump out too. 75% is not bad but could improve some. It could be she is marking a bit with poop. Territorial poops are a bit smellier and have a slight sheen on them. It’s that coating that causes the smell.
                                    They tend to do most of their normal pooping while eating hay, so putting hay in the litterbox or making a rack of hay only accessible if the bun is in the box helps tremendously.


                                  • Katie
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                                      I’ve watched her poop out of her box on purpose, haha.  Perhaps most of them are territorial!  I have seen her sometimes poop in big piles though that I don’t think are territorial since they are in those groups/piles.  But yes, I have a hay rack coming in the mail!  So that suggestion will happen very soon.


                                    • Katie
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                                        I’m ripping my hair out trying to litter train her.  I’d love more input. 


                                      • Wick & Fable
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                                          Hey Katie! Litter box training woes indeed… some are fortunate to have rabbits who comply and pick it up, others are a bit more driven not to do so, haha. Someone else recently posted about these woes, so I’m pasting my response from that thread:

                                          You’ll want your rabbits final destination after every accident to be that litter box.

                                          1) Rabbit pees/poos >> move to litter box >> praise slightly
                                          2) Rabbit about to pee/poo >> move to litter box >> pees/poos in box >> praise generously with pets (not treats; will associate going to the bathroom with getting treats, which isn’t a good thing, haha)
                                          3) Rabbit about to pee/poop >> move to litter box >> rabbit jumps out and pees/poops somewhere else >> move to litter box >> praise slightly.
                                          * With scenario #3, some times Wick will intend to poo in the box, but jumps out pre-maturely. I don’t put him back for these ones since I know he kinda knew what he had to do.

                                          … Those are the situations that you’d run into. It’s helpful for training purposes to have a sound established that spooks your rabbit, so this can be done each time there’s a pee outside the box. It can take a few seconds to relocate your rabbit to the box after an accident, so being able to do the sound right before or right after the accident works as a cue your rabbit will eventually pick up. Typically, rabbits don’t like snake hiss sounds, so Wick gets a short snake hiss when he’s about to pee somewhere outside his box. Once he hears it, he scampers to pee in the box.

                                          — Generally, definitely be more strict with peeing. The pooping around the cage and free-roam space is hit or miss — Even Wick had some territorial poos occasionally before the neuter, but if you get the majority, it will be very helpful for you.

                                          The answers provided in this discussion are for general guideline purposes only. The information is not intended to diagnose or treat your pet. Seek the advice of your veterinarian or a qualified behaviorist.


                                        • Katie
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                                            I can never catch Sirius as she’s About to pee/poop…  She is so dark, with long fur.  I can’t see her tail lift up; too much fur. 
                                            I always say “No” to her after she has peed or pooped outside of the box(es), then move her to one of her boxes, say “litterbox,” And pat her and tell her she’s good, then back off. 
                                            I feel like she often doesn’t care; she’ll hop right out.  I’ll move her back a few times and repeat the same sayings and pats just to be sure she’s done. 
                                            I have made an “ah ah!” sound at her right after she poops before, and she then went scampering to her litterbox.  Maybe she has a slight idea?  She gets in them on her own a decent amount.  I say “litterbox” and praise her every single time I see her in it, even if she got in on her own.
                                            I still can’t get her to quit marking her cage up with poops though.  And as for anywhere outside of her cage, I want that to completely stop, of course.  Territorial or not…. 

                                            I’m very often times worried that Sirius doesn’t respond well enough to affection to care about the pats and praise?  I am a new bunny owner, and I pet her often, and try to hold her to get her used to being held by me and different people.  I pet her whenever she lays down and spreads out/side flops in front of me, and she especially enjoys that.  That’s when she teeth chatters and purrs at me.(: But as for petting her when she is out and about roaming around the room, she doesn’t care.  She would rather sniff things, or sniff me, but not really be petted…..  She doesn’t Not like it, but she’d rather be doing other things.  Do you think she is warming up to me still?


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                                              Posted By Katie on 8/17/2017 12:12 AM

                                              I can never catch Sirius as she’s About to pee/poop…  She is so dark, with long fur.  I can’t see her tail lift up; too much fur. 
                                              I always say “No” to her after she has peed or pooped outside of the box(es), then move her to one of her boxes, say “litterbox,” And pat her and tell her she’s good, then back off. 
                                              I feel like she often doesn’t care; she’ll hop right out.  I’ll move her back a few times and repeat the same sayings and pats just to be sure she’s done. 
                                              I have made an “ah ah!” sound at her right after she poops before, and she then went scampering to her litterbox.  Maybe she has a slight idea?  She gets in them on her own a decent amount.  I say “litterbox” and praise her every single time I see her in it, even if she got in on her own.
                                              I still can’t get her to quit marking her cage up with poops though.  And as for anywhere outside of her cage, I want that to completely stop, of course.  Territorial or not…. 

                                              I’m very often times worried that Sirius doesn’t respond well enough to affection to care about the pats and praise?  I am a new bunny owner, and I pet her often, and try to hold her to get her used to being held by me and different people.  I pet her whenever she lays down and spreads out/side flops in front of me, and she especially enjoys that.  That’s when she teeth chatters and purrs at me.(: But as for petting her when she is out and about roaming around the room, she doesn’t care.  She would rather sniff things, or sniff me, but not really be petted…..  She doesn’t Not like it, but she’d rather be doing other things.  Do you think she is warming up to me still?

                                              Animals don’t want to be pet by humans all the time, they do have their own mind and want to do their own thing lol.


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                                                STG brings up a valid point. I pet Wick because he likes it, but if your rabbit doesn’t see that as a reward, you can try rewarding him some other way. Just avoid doing treats all the time, for fear of sugar intake, as well as making the association that when your rabbit goes pee, she should get a treat, haha.

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                                              • Katie
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                                                  No idea how else to reward her ):


                                                • sarahthegemini
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                                                    Play with her? Give her a new toy?


                                                  • Wick & Fable
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                                                      You could also just find a way to associate a phrase/tone of voice to being a praise or “positive” signal. Wick knows “good boy”, in the tone of speaking to a baby, means he’s doing something good. The association was built because I started saying it when I’d give him treats or pet him. Perhaps something like this could work alternatively, just to help her flag that using the box is a good behavior?

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                                                        I wouldn’t try holding her or picking her up. They don’t like it, so it should really only be done when medically necessary. I don’t think it’s that she doesn’t care about your affection, I just think that her curiosity takes precedence over sitting still and having pats. My bunnies only want pats in the morning or evening. During the day they are off having a snooze or playing with what they want, and I can get some pets in but they don’t want to sit still for it. It’s just how they are Could you just give her a pellet or two once she is moved to the box as a “reward” and maybe she will make the connection?

                                                        I also noticed you said you wanted to stop the outside poops completely, even territorial poops. My buns are really good with their boxes, but sometimes they leave a random stray poop, it happens. I don’t think you should count on 100% stopping the poops, but I understand that you definitely want to reduce them.

                                                        Have you taken any of our other suggestions, such as a bigger tray without a wire bottom?


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                                                          My hay rack and new kind of hay came in the mail, and I put that in a spot where she can only reach it if she’s in her litterbox.  So far no reduction of cage poops /:
                                                          And today she peed on a pillow.  I’m really gonna rip my hair out.  I really am. Lmao.


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                                                            I have been occasionally telling her she’s good while I pet her, just because she’s cute and calm whenever she lays down and lets me pet her hahaha.  And I do pat her and tell her she’s good once I shove her in the litterbox….  I’ll make sure I do it every time, and make sure I tell her she’s good every time she gets pets and treats.  Will definitely try giving her some pellets while she’s in the box!  Or just some hay perhaps.  Not quite “treats,” but they are better than nothing and I won’t have to worry about making her fat.  Thanks for that suggestion!  Maybe that will help make the connection click.  Here’s to praying it works… Lol.<span style="border-radius: 2px; text-indent: 20px; width: auto; padding: 0px 4px 0px 0px; text-align: center; font: bold 11px/20px " helvetica="" neue",helvetica,sans-serif;="" color:="" rgb(255,="" 255,="" 255);="" background:="" rgb(189,="" 8,="" 28)="" url("data:image="" svg+xml;base64,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"="<span style="border-radius: 2px; 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                                                              Update: Sirius is scheduled to get spayed in 2 weeks.  Still having a rough time with litter training; more advice here is soooooo welcome!  Please!

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