BunnyLiz  Covington, Ky Posts: 572  
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| 11/19/2008 4:59 PM |
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#7- They ate a tiny bit of hay, a few nips again. I thought Rose was going to groom Hammer, but then she nipped of course. Ive been putting a drop of water on their foreheads to mess up their fur.. but neither want to fix the others. Rose groomed herself quite a bit, they both looked comfortable and Hammer then groomed himself for a second. Hammer did stretch out some, with his head to the floor of course. Rose stretched, leaning forward, and yawned. It was so cute and i take it as "im comfy". They are up to 20 min. sessions, that sometimes run a little late.
Question, Hammer has been making a tooth purr noise when he is in the tub and im petting him. Its more of a chatter, like when we are cold. But today Rose did the purr thing back, after he did it, but a little louder. Is it a tooth purr or a aggressive noise? Or maybe a nervous/scared noise? They were both facing each other, with acceptable ears and body language, in the same half of the tub. |
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Beka27  Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Posts: 5879  
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| 11/20/2008 7:25 AM |
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| that's sounding pretty good. has Rose ever licked Hammer? i wonder b/c some buns don't know how to groom nicely. they nip thinking it's a groom, but it's not. is she actually lunging at him when she nips, or just reaching over and CHOMP? where are you planning on moving them for out of tub neutral space? i think they seem pretty good in the tub so you're probably about ready for the next step very soon. |
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beecg  Posts: 96  
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| 11/20/2008 10:48 AM |
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Digby and Yoshi will have little tooth-pur "conversations" when they're lying next to each other. To me, it seems like the louder chatter is a request for grooming, and the continuous softer chatter is an "ahh, that's the spot" kind of noise. |
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BunnyLiz  Covington, Ky Posts: 572  
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| 11/20/2008 12:42 PM |
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Beka- Rose did lick Hammer once, just a tiny one time groom. Hammer groomed Rose on their date but wont now! And yes she does actually lunge, at Hammer and even me sometimes. Like last night I was bored watching them just sit there so I guess i was day dreaming and started to play and arrange the hay in the tub, just absent minded ya know? And i guess she thought I was teasing her, she lunged and nipped my hand, not too bad though. She has done it before. I think she just gets really nervous. She seems comfortable enough, but if Hammer stands up and looks around or shacks his head or something, she is likely to lunge and nip. Ive been letting them go, Rose nips and then she retreats, then i offer pets to both. Ive blocked some mean ones, just judging off of ears and body lingo how serious it would be. Am I on track with that? Or should I be blocking all lunges and nips? They are moving to the bathroom next I think. Its not very big.. will it still work? Its pretty cramped so im not sure if it will be much different then the tub lol. You think they are ready to move on soon?!!!? Wow! I guess you see it as they arent fighting to bad and i see Rose being a meanie to my baby Hammie lol. I guess they are doing good.. But Rose gets weird when hammer eats hay.. thats when the fast pets and soothing words come into play. Beecg- that makes sense.. maybe they are asking to be groomed. Would explain why Hammer does it more. |
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Beka27  Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Posts: 5879  
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| 11/20/2008 5:44 PM |
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| have you considered using a squirt bottle set on stream? you spray right before she nips. and you do it everytime. she'll eventually relate lunging with getting sprayed and should stop that behavior. Meadow was a lot like that with Max. she would sit and if he hopped by, she'd lunge and nip his side. it got so that he was so frightened of her, our bonding took a bad turn. i could not even get Max to sit next to her without holding him there. |
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BunnyLiz  Covington, Ky Posts: 572  
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| 11/20/2008 8:13 PM |
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| #8- Nothing new. They ate hay and ignored each other. Rose lunged twice, but i squirted with the bottle and no nips, yay! I didnt think of that before because the bottle does not phase Hammer lol. Hammer went towards her, which scared her.. lunge. Then Hammer reached for hay.. lunge. The date was 40 min. but must was them on opposite sides of the tub ignoring each other, being petted. They didnt take matters into their own paws.. so I moved them together for forced cuddles. Hammer put his head up kinda on Roses... what was that? I was so mad i forgot my camera because you guys could have probably helped me figure that out. He kinda nosed her cheek area, looked ready to groom but didnt. Forced cuddles for a little over 5 min. and then the date was over. Seems like they just sit there the whole time. Hammer was actually afraid today though for forced cuddles at first. You could tell, he pushed away from her but I made him stay and tried to keep him calm. By the end of cuddles it seemed like he didnt want to leave though.. so confusing!! |
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Beka27  Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Posts: 5879  
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| 11/21/2008 7:38 AM |
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| yes, he's getting afraid b/c he is getting nipped when he goes by her. keep up with a spray ONLY when she lunges. i'll bet you can break that habit pretty easily. can you move into the bathroom for your next session? |
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BunnyLiz  Covington, Ky Posts: 572  
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| 11/21/2008 9:29 AM |
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| Okay Beka.. ill trust you lol. Ill try the bathroom tonight. Im nervous about that, but they can always go back to the tub next time if its bad. And of course they will never be fully bonded unless I take the risk of a next step right! The water bottle should help, at least it did last night. I still think Rose is just scared, she is still scared of me so Im sure Hammer isnt exactly comforting her. Ill pull my mom in for the date tonight as well, she is scared of Rose and wants to bale out lol. But she can deal im sure and stand on the opposite side of the room, in case a fight breaks out there and I cant get there soon enough. Wish us luck!!!! |
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Kokaneeandkahlua  Edmonton, Alberta; Canada Posts: 5698  
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| 11/21/2008 10:34 AM |
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Sounds like it's going good. Rupert was a crazy lunger, he'd sit there sit there...then wham fast lunge and nip!! He's very sensitive to voice tone and noises so we stopped the spray and just told him 'gentle gentle kisses' etc. and when he lunged very loudly 'NO Rupert BAD" and it actually completely stopped his crazy lounging. Those are some super cute pictures of them together!! |
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BunnyLiz  Covington, Ky Posts: 572  
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Beka27  Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Posts: 5879  
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| 11/22/2008 5:37 AM |
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| that sounds like it went great! and how cute!!! i'm sure it'll work but if for some reason it doesn't (wink wink), you can drive Rose up to my house and i will take that lil beauty queen off your hands... lol! i'll bet your mom LOVED the hay on the bathroom rug too! |
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BunnyLiz  Covington, Ky Posts: 572  
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| 11/22/2008 6:58 AM |
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| Lol no way Beka! But nice try lol. And my mom just absolutely adored the hay on the rug! lol yea right. She didnt really think it was funny (i couldnt stop laughing) "Mom, thats part of the territory with bunnies, they have personalities." Rose does it all the time to her pellet and salad bowl when its empty, which is 5 minutes after she gets it lol. Digs and throws them. Ive seen her dig in her water bowl too. I think its annoying (because I have to get up 20 minutes earlier so I can take her bowls after her breakfast before I leave, on top of the other 20 earlier to tidy her messy cage), but when I see it I just have to laugh. |
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TuckerBunz  Jacksonville, NC Posts: 734  
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| 11/22/2008 6:20 PM |
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LOL that was my first thought when seeing the rug covered in hay! LOL
I'm glad to see they're making some progress
Tucker does the same thing btw..when she's done with something she chucks it. And she's very particular about where she wants her stuff too. Drue you could put it wherever and he'd just adapt like "oh my food bowl is here today? Ok I eat here.." Tucker is the opposite. She will go over to the bowl and throw it if it's not where she likes it. I've learned the hard way not to put ceramic bowls in her condo! Their bowls were dirty so I grabbed two dessert plates from our cabinet. I put their greens up on her top shelf because that's where she was. So silly me..I thought I was doing her a favor and giving her "breakfast in bed"..well she chucked the plate right off the edge and it hit her water crock and broke right in half...ugh. And then she gave me the stink eye..Mike luckily was in a good mood so he just said "the Queen has spoken!". I was waiting for him to be mad that i put the nice plate in with the bunnies again... |
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~~Alicia~~ bunny mom to Tucker and Drue
And the rest of our zoo: Elphie (pug) Sammi (norwegian elkhound) TK (cat..and honorary bunny) Peanut (calico cat) Winnie and Rojo (hamsters) Dog Dog (lovebird) and our beta fish |
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Beka27  Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Posts: 5879  
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| 11/23/2008 6:21 AM |
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| Tucker... you have 3 little kids, don't tell me there are no cheapy plastic plates in your house! lol! |
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TuckerBunz  Jacksonville, NC Posts: 734  
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| 11/23/2008 6:35 AM |
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There are and the bunnies have their own plates from that collection. But we have 8 of those plates. Two for each kid and then one for each bunny. I hadn't done dishes yet from the night before and the second for each kid was being used for breakfast...bunnies hadn't finished their veggies the day before and so there was dried yuckies on their plates. It was a series of very unfortunate events! LOL
I actually do think I'm going to go buy more of those though because those plates are awesome for bunnies and children alike! LOL Tucker likes them too because they have a liitle lip on them and she can use them for frisbees when she's done with them! |
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~~Alicia~~ bunny mom to Tucker and Drue
And the rest of our zoo: Elphie (pug) Sammi (norwegian elkhound) TK (cat..and honorary bunny) Peanut (calico cat) Winnie and Rojo (hamsters) Dog Dog (lovebird) and our beta fish |
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Beka27  Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Posts: 5879  
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| 11/23/2008 6:41 AM |
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| yes, i've found that you need at least 5 per child... i also save plastic sherbet containers and cool whip containers. they are perfect for bunnies in a pinch... |
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BunnyLiz  Covington, Ky Posts: 572  
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| 11/23/2008 8:56 AM |
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| ^^ lol. No date last night, had a small family emergency that turned out to be a false alarm, so no worries. But tonight ill be able to, ill try a longer session too. |
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Beka27  Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Posts: 5879  
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| 11/23/2008 8:57 AM |
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| oh no, i hope everything is alright Liz! |
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BunnyLiz  Covington, Ky Posts: 572  
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| 11/23/2008 9:00 AM |
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| Yea i think it is. We are still waiting for some test and results. Heart stuff, but he is released already and just waiting for phone calls and the like |
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BunnyLiz  Covington, Ky Posts: 572  
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BunnyMuffin  Grand Forks, ND Posts: 238  
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| 11/23/2008 8:41 PM |
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| Yay! Good Hammer! That's great news! The motion in the pictures really conveys your excitement at the event! :-) They're definitely making good progress. |
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BunnyLiz  Covington, Ky Posts: 572  
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| 11/24/2008 7:41 AM |
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They binkied together!!! This morning Hammer started to wildly binkie in his cage, blindly jumping and zooming around and on and off his shelf. Then Rose joined in!! They are happy together, yay! They arent in love yet, but it sure looked like it for a few minutes this morning. It was so cute! Best thing to see ever, my babies sharing their happiness!! lol |
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markusdark  Richmond, CA Posts: 1560  
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| 11/24/2008 9:47 AM |
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| Well now that Hammer has 'aquiesed' and given rose some grooms, things willprobably go a lot easier. But don't be disappointed if some nip wars happen again. It is just part of the buns. |
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My bonding quest with Maryann - Read about a less than easy bonding with two buns - but they did bond! |
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Beka27  Cleveland, Ohio (USA) Posts: 5879  
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| 11/24/2008 10:14 AM |
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| awesome news! i remember the first time Meadow groomed Max, i thought i had died and gone to heaven. and Mead was the one doing all the nipping before, so it was extra special! (now they always have tongues all over the place... lol.) |
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BunnyLiz  Covington, Ky Posts: 572  
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| 12/28/2008 5:14 PM |
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And we're back! Time to revive this long lost thread huh? I did almost stop bonding, because i couldnt keep up with school, family obligations, give both bunnies enough out time and everything else thats been going on. I had short sessions every few days when i found time, in hopes that they would not fall back and have to start all over. They did regress a bit i think though. Nothing that i can pin point changed, just that it seemed more tense, ear lingo and such. Their were some lunges and nips from Rose, no grooms from Hammer. Which was very sad, since on their last regular session Hammer did groom. But im back on track now! Everything is almost done and under control (still have college applications and scholarships, they suck, grr!) So their sessions should be picking back up and be regular again. That being said, they just had a session. And guess what! Hammer groomed Rose!! WooHoo! Hammer was oddly overly active today and was jumping and running in the bathroom. Rose looked upset by that, so i wouldnt let him zoom by rose. Rose did move suddenly a few times like she was going to lunge but kept her cool and didnt, nor did she grunt or nip. The only nips were to me lol, when i would repeatedly stop Hammer from jumping or running too quickly by Rose. After maybe 20 minutes I put them side by side and at first they just loafed. Then Hammer got curious and was sniffing around, moved to her rear to investigate, Rose did her sudden movement thing but didnt move anything but her head, no grunts or nips. Then i put Hammer back and he sniffed her ears, which apparently smelled amazing because then he was grooming them and then her back and face. Yay! Only lasted for maybe 30 seconds before he got bored and hopped away though. Ended after that. Rose was thumping when I toke Hammer out and back to his cage, maybe she does really like him and wanted him back lol. |
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