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Last Post by Gravehearted at 6/10/2006 2:42 PM (7 Replies)
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User is Offline Robert Webb
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6/08/2006 4:09 PM
I have a 7 year old dwarf lop who is constantly accumulating a big gob of  rabbit droppings on his backside.  He doesn't like being held and certainly won't stand for the indignity of me cleaning him  off.  I try anyway but, it is difficult to remove entirely as it is mixed in his fur.  These smelly and unsitely blobs eventually fall off, but I am certain neither one of us likes it much.  Anyone have a clue as to what might cause this?  Diet perhaps?  He eats well.  Sometimes too well, although I try to discipline us both.

User is Offline BB
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6/08/2006 7:40 PM

Welcome Gizmo!!  Now your entered into the drawing twice.

Oh, boy, have you come to the right place. I have personal experience in this....er...well let me rephrase that, I have personal experience with having a bunny who deals with this.   You can check out the diet section, and scroll down to Bailey's specialized diet.

For some reason lops are susceptible to this.  It is SMELLY!!!   Let me first ask you a few questions:

1.  How long has your bunny been suffering from this? If it's fairly recently, could she have arthritis? Does she walk or scoot along?  Is she overweight?
2. What do you feed your bunny now (no judgments here,  my bunny will get it even with the most healthy diet, she's just sensitive to even some healthy stuff)
3.  What are the serving portions of the greens, and/or pellets, and hay.

If it's just recently, then a vet should really him out, as some illnesses can cause this.  My vet asked me to bring in one of those smelly goops (oh joy) and she tested it.  She determined it was a yeast problem, which is diet based.   She had me feed less pellets, more dark greens, but Bailey was even sensitive to some greens.   You can check out my whole trial and error in the "diet" section.

I'll check back for your answers, and we'll get to the bottom of  this... literally.

In the meantime, I know it's really hard to clean if he's not used to it, but make sure  his backside is  clean as it cause irritation and even bladder infections.  Plus, makes your bunny susceptible to fly strike.

To stop it from getting too hard and then stuck to the fur, I try take as much as I can off with toilet paper, (gag stinkola!) then I wash the rest off. If it's hard, then I soak her bum.  We also have kept the hair around that area short to keep from it getting so stuck to the pooogooo.

Can you fill the sink halfway with luke warm water, and stick his bum in it?  Do you have another person that can try and comfort him, and/or cover his eyes to help him calm down?  It might help to purchase one of those sink hose things with a spray nozzle on it so you can  rinse.   My bunny is Holland so of course she's smaller than a mini, and I can just hold her and use the spray over the sink or the bathtub. 

My vet recommended ChlorhexiDerm Shampoo.  It can be hard to find at pet stores, but maybe  your vet has it.   http://www.petvetdirect.com/home.as...ampoo+12oz

I only need a TINY bit otherwise you'll be rinsing forever to get it out. And it should only be used for spot cleaning.   It doesn't irritate my bunnies skin, and it keeps it from getting infected.

User is Offline Gravehearted
Campbell, CA
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6/08/2006 7:52 PM

diet is often the culprit in loose poops, but I would recommend taking your bunny to the vet to ensure there's no issues with a parasite or anything else like that going on.

is your bunny overweight?  

some bunnies have done better by greatly reducing the amout of pellets and increasing hay and some veggies. this might be something you discuss with your vet to see if that might help.

also do you know anyone with raspberry bushes? the tiny center leaves ( also called fronds) on the bushes will actually help cure bunny lose stool!

this article might be helpful information for you:  http://www.bio.miami.edu/hare/poop.html

~ bunny mom to to HRH Hareiette, Viktor the crazy Krum and Pandora, prima binky ballerina ~ Save a life, Adopt!

User is Offline BB
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6/09/2006 4:18 PM
That reminds me.  Mint leaves can also help relieve soft stool.

User is Offline Robert Webb
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6/10/2006 4:25 AM
To all who took the time to reply, Gizmo and I thank you.

We have been dealing with this problem for some time now. I have probably been in denial regarding his diet. He isn't obese, but could stand to lose some weigth, no doubt. He starts the day with 8-10 blueberries, 2 or 3 baby carrots, and a couple pieces of broccoli. Mid-morning, I'll throw some pellets in his bowl. Mid-day, he gets a treat, usually a piece of trail mix bar. In the evening, I give him more pellets, and sometimes another treat which could be banana, dried cranberries, peanuts, etc. I also put out a handful of hay at night.

As far as exercise, he is never in a cage. He lives in our laundry room and has a small hallway as well. During the day, as long as we are home, he has access to a larger room. He doesn't venture out too often, but is welcome to do so.

So, yesterday I adjusted his diet. Less fruit and less pellets. More hay and vegi's. We'll also try some more exercise, and see how this goes. Oh, and we will try some mint or raspberry leaves.

Thanks again.

User is Offline BB
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6/10/2006 1:02 PM

Hey, no problem,  I know what little beggars they are and what suckers we can be.  They're just so darn cute!

I'm going to give you some more diet info, but just so you know, there are parasites type of illness that can cause this -  like coccidia.  Most are treatable.  Does Gizmo always have a messy bottom, ya know, every time he poops or just usually once a day - a big mushy stinky surprise?

Thanks for sharing all your diet info: Now I can help at least with it if it is diet related. And either way, a healthier diet will help.

The recommended amount of fruit (by the House Rabbit Society, and they know their stuff!) is 1 oz. to 2 oz. per 6 lbs (a day)  And some bunnies can't even handle that much - like my Bailey.

Also, nuts, trail mix stuff over time can really cause serious digestive problems, that can end up being fatal for your bunny.  So cut out all bread, nuts, etc

Dried fruit is even more sugar concentrated, so fresh is always best.

Broccoli is okay, but it can cause gas, especially for a bunny who is already dealing with an imbalanced digestive system.

So, hopefully you're not feeling like I've beaten you down with all the "should nots".   I think you are wonderful because you are looking for solutions,  and most people feed their bunny stuff like that. Hey, I did with my very first bunny, a long time ago.  I didn't know back then. 

Plus, the change to feeding more hay is wonderful.  I usually add a fresh handful a few times a day.  For some reason, even if my bunny hasn't finished the first batch of hay, the new handful entices her to eat more. (maybe more yummy favorite strands)

Oh, and I forgot to ask, do you know if you pellets and hay are timothy based or alfalfa?

Do you have access to dark leafy greens where you live?  Like Dandelion, Parsley, Cilantro?  Parsley is really high in fiber, and now that you'll be feeding him less pellets, you'll want to offer a variety of leafy greens to keep the vitamin levels up.

Also note: It can take even months for a bunnies system to get back in shape.  So don't get discouraged if you are doing everything right, and poopybutt is still around. It should get less messy, and less frequent. 

Keep us updated!

 


User is Offline BB
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6/10/2006 1:02 PM

Hey, no problem,  I know what little beggars they are and what suckers we can be.  They're just so darn cute!

I'm going to give you some more diet info, but just so you know, there are parasites type of illness that can cause this -  like coccidia.  Most are treatable.  Does Gizmo always have a messy bottom, ya know, every time he poops or just usually once a day - a big mushy stinky surprise?

Thanks for sharing all your diet info: Now I can help at least with it if it is diet related. And either way, a healthier diet will help.

The recommended amount of fruit (by the House Rabbit Society, and they know their stuff!) is 1 oz. to 2 oz. per 6 lbs (a day)  And some bunnies can't even handle that much - like my Bailey.

Also, nuts, trail mix stuff over time can really cause serious digestive problems, that can end up being fatal for your bunny.  So cut out all bread, nuts, etc

Dried fruit is even more sugar concentrated, so fresh is always best.

Broccoli is okay, but it can cause gas, especially for a bunny who is already dealing with an imbalanced digestive system.

So, hopefully you're not feeling like I've beaten you down with all the "should nots".   I think you are wonderful because you are looking for solutions,  and most people feed their bunny stuff like that. Hey, I did with my very first bunny, a long time ago.  I didn't know back then. 

Plus, the change to feeding more hay is wonderful.  I usually add a fresh handful a few times a day.  For some reason, even if my bunny hasn't finished the first batch of hay, the new handful entices her to eat more. (maybe more yummy favorite strands)

Oh, and I forgot to ask, do you know if you pellets and hay are timothy based or alfalfa?

Do you have access to dark leafy greens where you live?  Like Dandelion, Parsley, Cilantro?  Parsley is really high in fiber, and now that you'll be feeding him less pellets, you'll want to offer a variety of leafy greens to keep the vitamin levels up.

Also note: It can take even months for a bunnies system to get back in shape.  So don't get discouraged if you are doing everything right, and poopybutt is still around. It should get less messy, and less frequent. 

Keep us updated!

 


User is Offline Gravehearted
Campbell, CA
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6/10/2006 2:42 PM
I'm glad to hear you're going to try some diet changes for Gizmo. You might also try incorporating different types of hay.  I feed mostly timothy hay - but also mix things up with some oat, brome or orchard grass. My kids think oat hay is so tasty  that they dance for it :-)

I know how hard it is, since they're soo cute and really* love* all the treats.  Since, you clearly love Gizmo and want him to live a long healthy life, cutting back on the treats will really make a difference in the long run with his health.

It's not going to be easy on either of you at first, like most new healthier habits are tough to get used to.  But in the long run will  be really beneficial to your bunny boy.
~ bunny mom to to HRH Hareiette, Viktor the crazy Krum and Pandora, prima binky ballerina ~ Save a life, Adopt!
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