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BINKYBUNNY FORUMS > BONDING > Max and Meadow: Bonding Fun! *BONDED*
Last Post by Beka27 at 7/11/2008 9:43 AM (72 Replies)
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User is Offline Beka27
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6/17/2008 2:25 PM
in your case i think just getting them used to each other's scents will help. if they never see each other except in an occasional bonding session, they are not really getting used to each other as being permanent.


Meadow..... Photobucket ...... Max, my angel bunny

User is Offline Beka27
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6/17/2008 2:46 PM

www.youtube.com/watch

here's the vid of Max grooming Meadow.  he did it another time today for a few seconds also.



Meadow..... Photobucket ...... Max, my angel bunny

User is Offline babybunsmum
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6/17/2008 2:52 PM

oh they're soooo sweet together

max is the big handsome boy & mead is the little uppy eared pretty girl.  and they *match* !  i love how max went from itching his nose to grooming mead.  it was kinda like a guy's move when they pretend they're stretching their arms & then use it as an excuse to put their arm around you.



I like work. It fascinates me. I sit and look at it for hours.

User is Offline MarkBun
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6/18/2008 7:29 AM
You're right, they remind me a lot of Dono and Maryann. The moment Max moves, Meadow begins the dominance act. She immediately presents herself for grooming and luckily he did just that. If he can keep on following her cues, it probably will go much better.

Did you put them both into the box or did someone hop on in?



My bonding quest with Maryann - Read about a less than easy bonding with two buns - but they did bond!

User is Offline Beka27
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6/18/2008 7:30 AM
one or the other was already in the box. i lifted the second bun in myself. should i not do that?


Meadow..... Photobucket ...... Max, my angel bunny

User is Offline Sarita
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6/18/2008 7:37 AM
I think it's okay to put the other one in the box - hard to tell if the grooming was an afterthought or not, but at least they weren't fighting and it seems like Meadow is starting to tolerate Max.



User is Offline MarkBun
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6/18/2008 7:37 AM

No, you can do that.  The HRS does that all the time to start off their bonding sessions.  Put them in like you had them and then pet both their heads at the same time for about 30-45 seconds straight so that they can get your scent and the other bun's scent on them.

With Save A Bunny, they just put them into the same pen and leave it at that.  They do use their bodies as an obstacle though in the pen so one can hop around to get away.



My bonding quest with Maryann - Read about a less than easy bonding with two buns - but they did bond!

User is Offline Beka27
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6/18/2008 12:37 PM

well, i tried something a little bit different today.  --->  www.youtube.com/watch   maybe it's a good idea, maybe not, but it seemed to work fine for us.  i really have no other neutral space besides my bedroom, so i decided i was going to take a chance at putting them together in their own room.  their room was never used by Meadow before Max came to stay, so it is "shared territory", not like the living room which was Meadow's for 9 months before now.  i gathered all of my supplies, including a blanket from the living room.  i put up the baby gate blocking off the doorway, closed my bedroom door and closed both of their pens.  i brought out a second litterbox and a big plate of romaine, plus some new willow toys and the grass ball. 

we spent about an hour and 20 minutes in there.  there were no fights.  Meadow got antsy once when Max would not groom her when she presented, and once more when Max was hogging the veggie plate.  --->  www.youtube.com/watch

they did spend time eating hay side by side in the litterbox, and eating from the veggie plate at the same time.  Meadow was grooming him most everytime she was near him, he groomed her on the head a couple times.  at one point they were sitting facing opposite directions in the litterbox, and they were each grooming the others' back.  i would have left them together longer but i had to get dinner together, and i did not want to leave them alone yet.  i am going to continue with this for the next few days and see how it goes... maybe even increasing their time together. 

www.youtube.com/watch

so far, so good.  i am confident that they will bond, and i'm hoping it's sooner rather than later.  i think they are both really wanting company, and they seem calmer in the other's presence.

 



Meadow..... Photobucket ...... Max, my angel bunny

User is Offline babybunsmum
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6/19/2008 3:57 AM

good plan beka.  putting them together in their shared space really seems to have been a good move for a next step in bonding them.  now you can gradually increase the time they hang out 'barrier free' until you feel confident they're okay to be together unsupervised.   seems logical to me.  i wonder what markusdark / sarita / binkbunny ... think?



I like work. It fascinates me. I sit and look at it for hours.

User is Offline Beka27
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6/19/2008 5:30 AM
^^^lol! i'm waiting with baited breath. i know it's kind of unconventional to jump to this point, but i took my cues from their behavior. one of the articles i've been reading (and re-reading!) is an HRN bonding article ---> http://www.rabbitnetwork.org/articl...bond.shtml

it mentions "only out time" where they only get to play when they are both out, "pile of veggies", and "forced snuggle". i've been doing a strange combination of all of these, altho they each get separate run-time too.

today we go to the vet together for the first time... so i'm hoping that will go well also.


Meadow..... Photobucket ...... Max, my angel bunny

User is Offline MarkBun
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6/19/2008 5:42 AM
It looks like it's going really good to me. "Neutral Territory" means an area that neither one has laid claim to yet. If it is a room that Meadow hasn't used/been in before then it is Neutral Territory and you can use that area even if they both have cages in there. It was a good idea.



My bonding quest with Maryann - Read about a less than easy bonding with two buns - but they did bond!

User is Offline Beka27
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6/19/2008 6:32 AM
*whew* ^^^LOL!

you really are the expert... i trust your opinions Markus!


Meadow..... Photobucket ...... Max, my angel bunny

User is Offline MarkBun
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6/19/2008 10:11 AM
I always hate being called the expert since it took someone else to finally get my two buns bonded but yeah, I've learned all the tricks - just that I couldn't get any of them to work for me

As for 'strangeness' - let me know when you get to the point where you put them both in a box suspended by bungee cords and then we'll talk strange.


My bonding quest with Maryann - Read about a less than easy bonding with two buns - but they did bond!

User is Offline Beka27
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6/19/2008 10:14 AM
lol.... i'm hoping it won't come to that. or the gorilla suit. (yes, i reread your thread the other day!)


Meadow..... Photobucket ...... Max, my angel bunny

User is Offline Beka27
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6/23/2008 3:30 AM

well, it's been two full weeks

we went to the vet on Friday, you can read about that here ---->  binkybunny.com/Default.aspx    it went very well!

when we got home, Michael wanted to go to the park so we did that.  i only had the bunnies together for about 20 minutes that day, in addition to the vet trip.

Saturday i had to work, and Mike was golfing.  when i got home i did another 30 minutes with them, but then i had to clean up around the house (you know... mommy and wife stuff!)  Mike fixed my vacuum which had a lot of hay and fur stuck in it.  not sure how it got there...    i cleaned up the bunny room and i fixed the xpens so they were together with only one set of bars between the sides.  i watched them in their pens for about an hour to make sure noone was going for anyone else... they seemed fine.

Sunday Mike wanted to go to the driving range, so he asked us to go.  we planned on doing some mini golf afterwards... but we only did 5 holes and it started STORMING!  we got off the course just in time and back to the car, and driving home it was HAILING!  crazy... but at least we got out of there in time!  at home i did another 20 minutes or so with the bunnies.

so it was a pretty uneventful weekend.  yesterday (Sunday) Max was grooming Meadow for a good 30 seconds or so, and when he stopped Meadow inched closer.  he turned away and Mead kind of lunged at him.  i was paying attention but not really, so she didn't even get a squirt b/c i missed the opportunity.  Max is not running from Meadow anymore.  even if she gets a little bit aggressive, he will back off a couple feet, but he stays pretty close.  maybe he's trying to assert himself that he's not just gonna go away?

i think doing a bit less this weekend has been good for me. 

i was starting to lose steam, but now i feel like i can start again with a fresh outlook. 



Meadow..... Photobucket ...... Max, my angel bunny

User is Offline Beka27
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6/24/2008 7:08 AM
yesterday, after one hour of out-time, i opened up one of the xpen doors and let them both hop in and out of it. Max was sitting in his litterbox, Mead started eating HIS veggies. they seemed pretty content to be in there together for about ten minutes, then i shooed Meadow out.


Meadow..... Photobucket ...... Max, my angel bunny

User is Offline Kokaneeandkahlua
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6/24/2008 9:36 AM
That looks really really promising Beka CONGRATS!!!

...backup...gorilla suit? I don't remember reading that!?!?! Details??


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User is Offline MarkBun
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6/24/2008 10:35 AM
It is in regards to a comment I made about bonding my two. Maryann didn't seem frightened by anything - vacuum, car rides, suspension, etc. so I wasn't able to do any sort of 'fear bonding'. So I said that if all else failed, I'd go rent a gorilla suit and chase them around the house for an hour.



My bonding quest with Maryann - Read about a less than easy bonding with two buns - but they did bond!

User is Offline Beka27
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6/30/2008 10:34 AM
alright. they have been gated up in the bunny room all day, both sides of the pens open. they've been in and out of each side, and also sleeping next to each other. they're sharing food, litterboxes and hay.

what is my next step? should i open up the bunny room and let them both venture into "Meadow's territory" (the living room).

or... combine the pens somehow...


Meadow..... Photobucket ...... Max, my angel bunny

User is Offline Sarita
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6/30/2008 10:38 AM
I think I would combine the pen at this point if they are sharing.

It sounds like it's progressing very well.


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