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BINKYBUNNY FORUMS > THE LOUNGE > The bonding adventures of Pinky and Rupert!!!
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User is Offline Kokaneeandkahlua
Edmonton, Alberta; Canada
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3/27/2008 11:04 AM

Hello all and welcome to the saga that is and will be the bonding of Pinky and Rupert.

 

Recently Babybunsmum and myself have adopted a new bunny (each!  )... I adopted Rupert and she adopted Pinky. She'll be attempting to bond Pinky with Baby (and Bogart?) and I'll let her tell you about that. I'll be attempting to bond Rupert with my girls Kokanee and Kahlua. We'll be writing about the bonding process here, sharing pictures and stories of our bonding attempts and seeking your help, advice and support!

Sooo stay tuned!! Same Bunny-channel, same Bunny-time



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User is Offline MarkBun
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3/27/2008 11:24 AM
Heh, let's see if you can beat my 4.5 months.


My bonding quest with Maryann - Read about a less than easy bonding with two buns - but they did bond!

User is Offline apanda
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3/27/2008 11:39 AM
oo I will definitely be watching this closely/maybe chiming in w/the adventures of Truffles & Ms. Craigslist if that's okay with you and bbm



User is Offline babybunsmum
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3/27/2008 11:50 AM

lol markus!  i may not be able to beat your time considering baby's too-old-to-be-spayed status but we'll see...

pinky will be spayed next thursday and i'm going to wait a month for her recovery & hormones to settle a wee bit before a first 'official' bonding session.  but i have already started with some small thing... and i'm calling this the "pre-bonding phase."

so far i've been doing separate pet / play sessions with each of them, mixing up who's first, so the second bun smells the first on me.  the dog also helps with this since he's great around both of them with my supervision.  both buns love to groom his head if he's laying down and would jump & pee all over him if i let them (which i don't anymore... poor dog).  also, i switch blankies between them.

then there's the baby gate.  they have been nose to nose thru the baby gate and i wasn't sure if they were going to start nipping eachother.  they have only both ever nibbled on the gate itself, but i saw a potential escalating problem so i blocked off the babygate holes using a piece of choroplast.  both of them pee & poo on their side of the gate, so i have to be diligent in keeping the floor swept & wiped down.  lots of work, but dang they're cute!

right now baby has free-run of the house & her bedroom from morning to noon, then she's gated into her room & the back hall while pinky has free-run of the house & her room until dinner.  baby get's the evening shift in the living room and during part of this time i hang out in pinky's room & play with her too.  so it's a pretty even mix of free-roam and socializing time.  the dog goes where i go.

that's it so far.  we'll continue to do this pattern until may.  although i may try to ramp up switching things with 'smells' while pinky recovers from her spay.  i haven't switched their litters yet, which seems like a good thing to try.

thanks for starting the thread k&k!  looking forward to reading about rupert's adventure


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User is Offline babybunsmum
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3/27/2008 11:54 AM
Posted By apanda on 03/27/2008 2:39 PM
oo I will definitely be watching this closely/maybe chiming in w/the adventures of Truffles & Ms. Craigslist if that's okay with you and bbm



sounds good to me... what a bonding adventure thread this will be! 



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User is Offline Kokaneeandkahlua
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3/27/2008 12:04 PM

Ok for those of you who are new (or have bad memories like me ) I'll introduce my 'players' first:

Kokanee->1.5 yearold Dwarf Dutch (maybe crossed). She'sa sweet but demanding diva. Shes unspayed as of yet. Currently bonded with...

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Kahlua->0.5 yearold Lionhead. She is spayed, looks cute, but a little bit of a terror. (Bonded with Kokanee)

 

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Rupert->Unknown age neutered male. Sweetie pie but a bit of a 'nervous nelly'

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I want my girls to get along with and share arrangemnts with Rupert. I want this because

a) Rupert needs bunny lovin!  b) It would be a whole heck of a lot easier to clean house if they all share one! c) It's not nice to share your mommy with bunnies you don't like.

 

So my approach is to bond Rupert with each girl seperately. So far....well, I'll fill you in at my next post. Stay tuned.



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User is Offline MarkBun
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3/27/2008 1:18 PM

Khalua has been reminding me of someone for a while now.  And I think i finally figured it out.

D'argo from Farscape:



My bonding quest with Maryann - Read about a less than easy bonding with two buns - but they did bond!

User is Offline LittlePuffyTail
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3/27/2008 1:36 PM
Your bunnies are too cute Kokanee... I'll be tuning in for tips as I'm still undecided about whether to try bonding my "little terror" with my "little sweetie"


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User is Offline Beka27
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3/28/2008 6:27 AM

Bogart is the strangest looking rabbit i have ever seen... and definitely the biggest! 

lol... i'm looking forward to this.  i cannot wait!



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User is Offline Kokaneeandkahlua
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3/28/2008 7:50 AM

Ok, I'm going to summarize what happened to date;

We brought Rupert home, he was extremely tense, so we brougth Kahlua out and 'showed' him her, and he perked right up and started flopping, eating and drinking (it was like "oh good, you know what I am and you have more, i can relax now"). Not anticipating a problem from my little lionhead we let her run around while Rupert was in his temporary enclosure (an x-pen type set up in the kitchen). Kahlua ran up and stuck her nose in and chomped him, so he chomped her back. Bad. So we put stuff around his pen so she couldn't bother him (gates) and she promptly 'piddled' all around his enclosure. Bad.

We thought, Ok, Kahlua is off limits for a bit, let's try Kokanee. We sat with Rupert in Dave's lap and Kokanee in mine and put them together; Rupert lunged at Kokanee and chomped her bum. We pressed his face down for nose rubs and Kokanee licked his ears. Good.

Kokanee had a bought of poopy bum, so we put her off limits, so as not to upset her.

We did a 'bath' session with Rupert and Kahlua. To stress them first (as a car ride isn't *that* feasible since we live in a no pets apartment and are on the third floor, its a bit of a bummer to sneak bunnies out ) we put them both in (seperate) carriers and walked around the apartment for about ten minutes with the vaccum on (hey we're creative!). Then we put them in the tub (lined with towels and with bits of parsley all over-so they wouldn't fight over it but could socially bond over eating). Rupert immediately kept trying to bite Kahlua but we sprayed him each time. We sprayed her for any and all attempts to bite back. Eventually they were soaked and chilly so we squished them side by side to cuddle. They did. Awesome. Kahlua even tried to groom him a bit. End of session. Warmed them up with towels and fed lots of treats.

Next session, lets let them free and see how it goes (if we need another "stess and supervise and spray' session). Kahlua tries and tries to hump Rupert, he keeps tossing her off and mounting her (although not humping or biting). No fights. Good. Since Kahlua can't hump him, she just runs away from him. They eventually flop near each other. End of session, treats.

Heres a video we made of that session:

http://s213.photobucket.com/albums/...bbits2.flv

Anyways Kahlua was off to get spayed and recover so we put bonding those to on a break. Kokanee was still recovering, and they were on a break. So the bunnies were just seperate.

I was home one evening (about two weeks ago) with a girlfriend and we were going out but I wanted to let the bunnies out to play. So I gated the hallway and gave Rupert run of the hallway bathroom bedroom, and the girls got the family room kitchen. I suddenly heard loud noises and ran over there. Kokanee had pushed the gate over and her and Rupert were latched on face to bum to face to bum. Both had little wounds to neosporin. The hallway was full of fur. Boy was I upset. It was scary. They were fine. But now I think they are mortal enemies. As soon as they see each other they both go head down, bum out, tail up, growling.

So I thought of 'bunny jail". I built out of cubes a config that would have them in a small space next to each other, but gaped so they couldn't chomp through the bars. The idea was for them (safely) to exhaust their 'fight or flight' that they've been doing and *have* to relax and eat, as they would be in there long enough. I did a session almost every day for over a week, that they were in 'bunny jail' for over an hour. We tried them together again. They fought. BAD. I don't know if "bunny jail" is helping of hurting...So I am asking your opinions on that!!

 

Here's bunny Jail.

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Any suggestions/comments/advice TOTALLY WELCOME Thanks for reading!! More to come!

 

 

 



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User is Offline apanda
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3/28/2008 8:25 AM

hmm do you give them greens and or treats while they are in "jail"? I think if jail is overall a negative experience it could be hurting, but if you make it positive and get them to eat together and relax together a bit it might help. Like what if you took the top off and made it 1 cube higher, and pet them at the same time to relax them? you could switch hands to mix their scent during.




User is Offline kimberleyanddarren
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3/28/2008 8:27 AM
i am looking forward to reading all this! for when i get my next bun *coughs at boyfriend* lol



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User is Offline Kokaneeandkahlua
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3/28/2008 9:17 AM
Yeh, I try to make it positive, giving them lots of greens, and I hang out beside it the whole time, I usually read on the couch directly beside them. But yeh, in their bunny minds I don't know if it's helping or hurting....


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User is Offline babybunsmum
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3/28/2008 9:58 AM

i've never bonded 2 buns together, so take this with a grain of salt, but i would think it'd be helping UNLESS they get aggitated while they're in bunny jail.  i thought that if my 2 gals could see / smell eachother thru the baby gate that they'd be getting used to eachother before i started the actual bonding sessions, the same way switching blankies or litter boxes works.

i'm going to pickup more nic cubes to attach to the babygate so there's a gap between so that they can't bite eachother.  i think - and correct me please (anybody) if i'm wrong - as long as they're not getting riled up then it's ok.

so in rupert's case, my thoughts are if you're combining bunny jail with dating sessions, and the jail time isn't causing them to get riled up, then it's okay.  i want to scan through markus' thread tho... i seem to remember him talking about a method/theory save-a-bunny uses which may apply here.  if i find it i'll post back



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User is Offline Kokaneeandkahlua
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4/02/2008 5:52 AM
Allo allo...Ok I did a Kahlua-Rupert session last night. We started in the bath tub. I put down towels and treats. I got a few pics I am hoping to have uploaded tonight to show you. Anyways Rupert was sort of 'chompy' so I used the spray bottle on him. He doesn't seem to understand that biting is not OK, as he nips anything that displeases him. Anyways He nipped Kahlua a few times for nothing. It seems if she comes to close to him he nips. She was stressed out by the nipping and the bathtub so she really wanted to huddle up with him. Finally I climbed in the tub, sat down and but them between my legs smooshed up and cuddling. I gave them nose rubs and they tooth purred. I thought that was pretty good. Then we came out of the tub but stayed in the bathroom. I did some practice approaches with Kahlua (holding rupert by his front haunches, then moving kahlua up to him) ...As soon as he gaped his mouth to chomp, I told him NOOOOO Rupert, be gentle, pushed him down into submission and then let him up for nose rubs. We ended on a good note, as I nose rubbed them both cuddled up together.

He seems to like her but be really defensive about her approaching him; Whenever she does he comps her! Ugh...anyways it went well, and they both got some treats after...


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User is Offline MarkBun
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4/02/2008 6:29 AM

If it helps, the chomping was the last stage with Maryann before the bonding.  She almost 'lazily' nipped Dono.  "Oh, you're here?' *nip* "Okey, I've done my work, move along."

Is Rupert frightened by the vacuum?  If so, you may want to turn it on just outside of the bathroom door so he hears it and he might want to hunker down with a cuddling as well.



My bonding quest with Maryann - Read about a less than easy bonding with two buns - but they did bond!

User is Offline Kokaneeandkahlua
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4/02/2008 6:49 AM
You know what that might work actually...Maybe I'll do a quick session tonight between volunteering and stuff and see how that goes!


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User is Offline babybunsmum
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4/02/2008 7:21 AM

good luck... *taking notes*



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User is Offline apanda
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4/05/2008 3:01 PM

AND SO IT BEGINS...

The craigslist bunny arrived today! It was traumatic because her owner got very lost and I couldn't figure out where she was. And when she eventually got here she was HUGE! Doesn't seem like she is only 1 pound heavier than Truffles lol. Anyways she is pretty awesome and seems to fit the big bun stereotype I have heard about on here: easy going, sniffed me and my boyfriend right away after a super long trying car ride and flopped out. Anyways I am housing them next to each other and exercising them separately for 3 days to a week so they get used to each other before braving the big bad intro. Here's some pics of the new bun (I think I will call her Flurry, because she looks like a McFlurry or a snow flurry teehee) and the set up.

bonding set up, before I put a little more space between pens and blocked off the entrance to in between with cardboard:

A Flurry flop:

 

Typical interactions:

 




User is Offline MarkBun
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4/05/2008 3:18 PM
I would also suggest swapping out litter pans at least once before the bonding session.


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