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BINKYBUNNY FORUMS > DIET & CARE > Stormy is sick, I'm soo worried
Last Post by osprey at 11/26/2007 12:11 PM (24 Replies)
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User is Offline LittlePuffyTail
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11/23/2007 6:51 AM

So I woke up this a.m. and he wouldn't eat. He does this once in a while and we give him pineapple juice and mineral oil and he is fine and eating in a couple of hours. Today though he seems worse. I brought him to the vet, we just got back, she said he has no temperature, it's his stomach and she said to give him the mixture every 4 hours. I wish she would have done more. This is the best and only rabbit vet in the area.

So now I"m just watching him and hoping to see a sign he will be okay. I lost 2 young rabbits to what I believe to be Gi Statis within the last few years  and I'm so worried I'm going crazy. I'm so scared I'll lose my little man! Please send him some healing vibes and prayers!

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User is Offline Bunzai
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11/23/2007 7:59 AM
((((( HEALING VIBES ))))))) I am sorry to hear Stormy is not feeling well. Is he pooping? You are doing everything you can do for the moment. It is amazing how much sleep you can lose over one species. Out of all my animals, the rabbit's health is the one that gives me the most gray hairs.
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User is Offline Martie
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11/23/2007 8:45 AM

Poor Stormy and poor you too. I sure hope he's feeling better soon, sending good vibes from NC your way.


User is Offline Sarita
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11/23/2007 8:51 AM
Healing vibes to Stormy.

What type of mixture did she give him? He needs fluids and motility drugs and pain meds too. I don't really think pineapple juice and mineral oil are the correct things to give him if that's what the mixture is too.

You will also need to hand feed him critical care - is that what the mixture is?

Please ask your vet about fluids, motility drugs (reglan and cisapride) and pain meds.

User is Offline babybunsmum
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11/23/2007 9:10 AM

how are things now?  i'm so sorry you're having this scare... poor Stormy!  healing vibes are coming your way from the great white north! 

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User is Offline LittlePuffyTail
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11/23/2007 9:27 AM
He's eating! Man, I've never been so excited to see a rabbit eat! A few poops only but pretty normal ones.

Sarita- It's very terrible that there are no actual rabbit vets here, but she does the best she can I guess. I wish she would have done more. He didn't seem to be in too much pain though, just not eating. I did some research on the net and did a tummy massage and syringe fed him a warm pellet mash. It's very frustrating that I pretty much have to get him better myself by reading. What's worse, about 6 months ago my Holland Lop got very sick and I called EVERY vet office in town and no one was willing to see a rabbit. My rabbit vet wasn't working. I did all I could but he went to the Rainbow Bridge that same day. It's very hard having no rabbit vets and being a huge bunny lover

So I'm just watching Storm and gave him lots of greens and hay and hopefully it was just something minor and he will be fine. I was so upset I made my bf come home from work!!! My rabbits are my babies I just love them so much.

Question for the bun experts: What do you think this is? He used to get this very often like every 6 months or so when he was young especially. He doesn't eat and his tummy is all gurgly and a bit lethargic. We give him the pineapple/mineral oil and an hour later he is usually fine. He still worries his mommy sick every time though!
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User is Offline LittlePuffyTail
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11/23/2007 10:54 AM
An update on Stormy. He is still eating hay and he is obviously feeling better but his poops are sort of weird now. The poops are all different sizes with some being very small and one a big barbell hair in it sort of poop. I assume he had maybe a small blockage?

What else can I do for him? Any bun expert help would be greatly appreciated. Feel free to pm me if you have lots of info. Thanks from me and Storm!
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User is Offline babybunsmum
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11/23/2007 11:06 AM

food passes fairly quickly thru their system doesn't it?  i'm wondering if these weird poops are from his earlier period of not eating / being syringe fed with normal ones coming along soon? 

the morning after Baby's operation there was a pile of odd-shaped poops which were sort of brittle when i swept them up.  i was alarmed but since she was eating by that time my vet said to just keep an eye on it.  they became normal by later that night.  i thought it due to that her diet was altered fo a half-day for her surgery.  just a thought. 

i sure hope this passes soon... you and Stormy have had a rough day!

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User is Offline Sarita
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11/23/2007 12:48 PM

I'm glad Stormy is better - I know how anxious this can be and especially when you don't have a vet who is very rabbit savvy - it does sound like she/he might take some "suggestions".

This has been one of my holy grails with stasis:

www.bio.miami.edu/hare/ileus.html

I would take this to the vet when this happens again and ask her what she thinks of any of these "suggestions" in this article.  I've used it before at vets and many times they are very open to taking these suggestions if they are asked in the right way from a concerned bunny parent.

Here's another one from a vet magazine to take as well:

www.rabbitcare.org/ileus.pdf

Sometimes we just have to gently educate our vets.


User is Offline LittlePuffyTail
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11/23/2007 1:37 PM
Sarita - Thanks for the info. The first is the article I read today when he was sick. The second one I just read is very informative. What are analgesics? I'm pretty sure Banamine is a horse drug too? If you wouldn't mind telling me, what is the first things you do when you notice your bunny has statis symptoms? I want to make a list of things to do at home in case it happens again so I will be prepared to act right away.

Any suggestions for telling my vet about these articles? She's a very well respected dog/cat and horse vet and I want to stay in good terms with her. I don't want her to think I'm insulting her knowledge.

Stormy seems okay right now, his poops are normal and he ate all his supper. Just seems a bit lazyer than usual.

Thanks for the help, you guys are great!!!
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User is Offline Sarita
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11/23/2007 2:20 PM
An analgesic is a pain killer. I do think banamine is used in cattle and horses.

I would get some critical care - perhaps your vet has this so you can start handing feeding Stormy. You can try the tummy massage too. If your vet is willing to give you some pain medication for this then you can give Stormy some pain meds.

As for the articles I would just tell her that you read this article and it suggested several different options and what is her opinion on this - bring the article with you. Honestly I don't think a good vet would be insulted with a client taking some initiative to help their pet. I ask all the time - what do you think about doing this...or this. Hey, when you are desperate you ask anything. Most vets and doctors realize there are resources out there that their patients are reading in magazines and on the internet - some of it's good and some is bad so that's why you discuss it with the vet or doctor. I hope she wouldn't be insulted but rather glad that you are taking an interest in your rabbit's health. I've had many friends bring articles and discuss different rabbit health care information they have read or heard with their vets and they've never had a problem with their vet being insulted.



User is Offline Scarlet_Rose
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11/23/2007 2:37 PM

Littlepuffytail I am very sorry to hear about Stormy and I am glad to hear that he is eating OK.  Like Sarita suggested, get some Critical Care made by Oxbow from your vet.  There could have been some fur blockage and while the pineapple juice helps to break up the mucous binding the fur together and pass it through, it doesn't really help with the why this keeps happening.  Does he eat enough hay or fiber? I am wondering if he is getting enough fiber to move things along in his GI tract.  Rabbits can be very hard to diagnose as stress can even trigger a stomach upset.  Has Stormy had a fecal test? Also, another option is to syringe him some plain canned pumpkin too and you might want to add some acidophilus too if it is an imbalanced GI tract.

I totally concur with Sarita, bring the article with you and just say you found this on the internet and what did they think and if you could try one of those treatments. No vet that I know would be insulted if you just asked in that way and that you are taking an active part in reading more about what might be wrong.

Take care and I hope he feels better soon!

 


User is Offline LittlePuffyTail
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11/23/2007 3:08 PM
Scarlet Rose- thanks for your concern. I do wonder why Stormy keeps getting gi troubles because he eats the recommended veggies for his weight and eats as much timothy hay as he wants (usually about 3 generous handfuls a day. He only weighs about 2.5 - 3 pounds) I wish I could pinpoint the trouble so it won't happen again! It's only happened 2 or 3 times in the last year or so but today he really gave me a scare.

I'm gonna ask my vet about critical care. If they don't have any maybe I can order it online so I will have some handy for next time.

I'm thinking of maybe e-mailing my vet an update along with the reading materials.

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User is Offline Scarlet_Rose
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11/23/2007 3:15 PM

No problem, I worry about everybunny.  Do you give Stormy pineapple or papaya on a regular basis?  If not, you just might want to consider that for an every day thing as a preventative since it seems to work for him. I give my two a papaya tablet every day and no problems.  Bonsai though I have to keep an eye on because he will get lathergic and go into a funk when the weather changes (oh woe is me, flops in the litterbox and places his chin on the side and gives woeful eyes).  That stinker had me all panicked the first couple of times he did this, not to mention trips to the vet until we (the vet and I) figured it out.  Unfortunately Critical Care is not sold online and has to be from a veterinarian.  I don't think your vet would object to you asking for it. So pumpkin and ground pellet mash is pretty good in its place. You could e-mail, I haven't done that before, I've just always gone in.


User is Offline LittlePuffyTail
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11/23/2007 4:50 PM
What is it that the pumpkin does for GI Statis? I've gotta get my cupboards filled up with lots of emergency stuff for next time (hopefully it will never be used)

I give my buns dried papaya once in a while but it's hard to find. I thought about giving the pellets, no pet stores carry them here so I will have to order them somewhere. Is it okay to just start giving them, they don't get tummy upsets by the pellets at first?
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User is Offline BB
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11/23/2007 8:31 PM

Givng a tummy massage and offering a mush mix can be all helpful too. If you are able to get hold of some critical care that would be ideal. My vet told me that when you are giving it to help with Gi stasis, to make sure to make it a bit more watery (like pea soup) to make sure extra fluids are added. Also making sure a bunny exercises can help with gi stasis. Having unlimited hay is essential and that's great! The fact that he eats so much of it should help with prevention, but what else is in his diet? I know you said that he has this a few times a year.  What kind of pellets, and which greens selections do you offer? Some veggies can cause bouts of gas which can cause gi stasis. As far as treats, what kind and how much? And is there anyone else in the house that could be a good sneaky treat giver? (for example, my husband used to be one, until he was educated about what too many treats do)

Also, bunnies can be great crumb scavengers - eating any crumbs from under the dinner table or around the living room or tv room - whereever you eat and snack.

This is not at all to blame, just to try and find out what the source could possibly be.


User is Offline Sarita
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11/24/2007 1:11 AM
Another thing is to take away pellets if she is eating those. Most vets will take away pellets after so many bouts of stasis. Continue with the unlimited hay and veggies.

User is Offline LittlePuffyTail
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11/24/2007 6:08 AM
Stormy eats 1/8 cup of pellets 2 x a day. The pellets do have alfalfa in them but he's been eating these for over 3 years and I'm so reluctant to change because I'm scared to make his system even more upset. Is that a good amount of pellets for his size (about 3 pounds?

For veggies they always get Romaine lettuce and at least one other veggie (usually parsley and celery leafs). I take care never to feed veggies that I am aware cause gas. What are the best veggies to feed? For treats they get small pieces of fruit (pineapple, banana, dried papaya, pear or apple usually) or a piece of carrot. I usually give them about 2 treats a day. Is that maybe too much? Stormy begs when I open the fridge and it's so hard to say no but I only give very small pieces. Usually just a taste. He has no access to people food crumbs. They run in "the rabbit room" which is never eaten in.

Wow, I sure am full of questions, but it's all for Stormy's well being! I really want to have a good idea what's causing this so I can fix it.Thanks 4 all the help.
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User is Offline Scarlet_Rose
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11/24/2007 5:31 PM

Canned pumpkin helps supplement what a rabbit may be missing diet-wise when they are not eating and it is high in fiber (keeps things moving). It's consistency a little watered down is ideal for syringe feeding and will help out in a pinch when you don't have Critical Care. Plus, rabbits usually like it and that makes it a little less stressful at feeding time. Oh yes, tummy massages galore.  Bonsai actually likes them even when he is feeling well. Just a thought, some rabbits are sensitive to sugar and are unable to have it.  I am going to look around and see if that can cause stasis.


User is Offline Gravehearted
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11/25/2007 12:33 PM

If he's on alfalfa pellets, I would seriously consider a slow transition to timothy. The HRS suggestions are a 1/4 cup a day of pellets per 5 pounds of bunny - so I would decrease the amount, especially considering he's been having reoccurring episodes. You might even consider doing away with pellets entirely, as this is helpful in some cases. They're more like a convenience food, than a necessity to bunny diet. You can just up the hay and veggies instead.

Hay is your friend - lots of grass hay! The more the merrier :-)

When Niklaus was having repeat episodes - the vet had us cut out treats entirely.  It was hard, but we did it.  Sugar can cause the delicate balance of good / bad bacterias to get out of whack and lead to stasis.

Tummy massages are a good idea, and I am also a big fan of simethecone (infant gas relief), especially when you hear gurgling. I always keep Critical Care, Simethecone and clear pedialyte in the house in case of stasis.

I would recommend bookmarking this article about nursing your bunny through stasis, since the suggestions are right on:   http://www.mybunny.org/info/gi_stasis.htm

liittlepuffytale - pumpkin (unsweetened, no spices) can be a good choice for assist feeding since it's high in fiber.

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