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BINKYBUNNY FORUMS > BONDING > My bonding quest with Maryann
Last Post by Beth K at 1/13/2011 9:28 PM (144 Replies)
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User is Offline Gravehearted
Campbell, CA
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12/19/2007 12:29 PM
I'm a lil far behind on this thread, but I am pretty sure I know Donahue since he's a Rabbit Haven bunny right?
He's a very sweet bunny and I remember his pretty gingery coloring!

Maryann's story reminds me of my Hareiette. She did fine when she's not at home, but it seems impossible at home! We did tons of bonding sessions in the car, at petsmart, a friend's house and even at a shelter that went very well. Get them home, even in a neutral place and it's war. :-( I do really hope things will work out with Dono and her though....
~ bunny mom to to HRH Hareiette, Viktor the crazy Krum and Pandora, prima binky ballerina ~ Save a life, Adopt!

User is Offline BunnyLugs
Buckinghamshire
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12/21/2007 4:10 AM
DustBunneh's Mama!! Sorry to interupt but your little bun looks just like my little Jessica. Is it a chincilla rabbit?

User is Offline MooBunnay
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12/21/2007 5:17 AM
Any recent updates Markusdark? I am also in process of bonding two bunnies who do a very smiliar thing of attacking each other when the other hops by, but then are sometimes very sweet to each other. I am planning on taking them on a car ride every day over Christmas vacation (only about a 10 minute one or so). One of the bunnies I am bonding is blind, and the other got really beat up by one of my boy buns (when I wasn't home to break it up ) so they are both a bit traumatized of other bunnies. I'll let you know if I find anything that helps.

As far as your bonding quest - the sign that one is grooming the other is such a fantastic sign that I really think things might still work out (perhaps I am the eternal optimist!) can you somehow trick maryann into grooming him? e.g. with the baby food?

User is Offline MarkBun
Richmond, CA
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12/21/2007 6:00 AM
There is nothing new. Unfortunately, I have a back injury currently that keeps me mostly bedridden. I am able to get up to feed and care for the lil buns but I haven't been doing any bonding. Maryann is still digging at her bars to get at Dono and he's still being a sweet guy (I don't know if he has any chincilla in him or not but he is a VERY soft bunny). This weekend the bonding experts will be at the HRS so I'll be driving them over there. I also have the rest of the year off so I'll be trying some guerrilla bonding tactics and hope something comes out of it.

And by guerrilla I am thinking I'll put on a gorilla suit and chase them both around the house until they're dead tired and collapse next to each other.
My bonding quest with Maryann - Read about a less than easy bonding with two buns - but they did bond!

User is Offline babybunsmum
Waterloo ON Canada
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12/21/2007 6:05 AM

ahhh hahaha!  good one.  sorry to hear about your back markus... i can sympathize.  good luck with the HRS bonding.  hope you're feeling better / have time to post how it goes & hopefully you won't need to be puttin on that gorilla suit.  may aggrevate your back

I like work. It fascinates me. I sit and look at it for hours.

User is Offline Beka27
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12/21/2007 7:30 AM

i can imagine the doctor...

"markus... how did you re-injure your back...?"

"well, doc, i had to put on a gorilla suit and chase around the house in order to scare my bunnies into loving each other..."

"... i see..."

Meadow..... Photobucket ...... Max, my angel bunny

User is Offline MarkBun
Richmond, CA
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12/21/2007 9:30 AM
Heh, my chiropractor actually brings in her large retriever to her office so if it is pet related, she'd understand. She also knows the wierd things I like to do for fun (since I usually get injured due to them) so dressing up in a gorilla suit wouldn't be the most shocking thing she's heard me do.

Good news is that I just had a session with the doctor and I think she popped back in what was out (took three visits). I'll need the rest of the day to recover but she says that if it worked, I should feel much better tomorrow morning. If not, she's willing to see me even on Christmas day if necessary to fix me up. Sometimes I make fun of the hippies of Berkeley, but there are some good upsides to it too.
My bonding quest with Maryann - Read about a less than easy bonding with two buns - but they did bond!

User is Offline Thumpers_Mom
New York
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12/21/2007 10:28 AM
I'll be trying some guerrilla bonding tactics and hope something comes out of it.

And by guerrilla I am thinking I'll put on a gorilla suit and chase them both around the house until they're dead tired and collapse next to each other.

 

 LOL LOL LOL...that's quite funny to picture. Thanks for the smile. I needed that.


User is Offline Thumpers_Mom
New York
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12/21/2007 10:31 AM
I'm sorry to hear about your back. Hope it worked and you feel better in no time!

Also, about the bonding...I know it is easy to want to give up...My buns have left me in tears at times. Even now,they nip eachother a few times a day (its been a little over a month) but it is slowly getting better. Hopefully things will get better and Maryann will stop being sooo darn bossy. Or realize that Dono doesn't mind the bossiness and just wants to be loved! :o)

User is Offline Scarlet_Rose
Colorado
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12/21/2007 11:21 AM
Markus I am sorry to hear about the little Amazon, MaryAnn. The gorilla suit remark cracked me up! I too am sorry to hear about your back too, but glad to hear your last adjustment with the chiropractor helped!

User is Offline MarkBun
Richmond, CA
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12/23/2007 8:39 PM
After two bonding sessions at HRS, the 'professionals' have come to a determination. Maryann doesn't know how to socialize with bunnies. It seems that her idea of grooming is to nip, not to lick. Whenever she 'bites' Dono, her ears are forward, her demeanor is relaxed and she nips him right where you'd expect to be groomed. So, in other words, Maryann likes Dono! She just doesn't know how to express it. Dono is becoming more cynical towards the nipping deva though. Many times I feel that he'd just thump at her and run whenever she approaches, but everyso often, he stands his ground, lowers his head and gives her another chance - to which she either nips him or ignores him all together.

So the HRS's diagnosis is that it will take some time, but the two of them will be the best of buds.

Even with a bad back, I will be taking her just about every day to the HRS for more neutral bonding and car rides. Only Christmas and New Years they'll be closed.

Oh, and they are boarding alot of buns there - I have fallen in love with two different boarded bunnies - and they all look so happy and content.
My bonding quest with Maryann - Read about a less than easy bonding with two buns - but they did bond!

User is Offline Gravehearted
Campbell, CA
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12/23/2007 9:49 PM
ooo glad your back is on the mend!

did you see that movie Hitch? It stars Will Smith as this matchmaker, who helps guys learn how to interact with and woo woman. I wonder if they have a bunny equivalent that can help teach your MaryAnn how to woo Dono! she's like the third grader who pulls your hair because she has a crush on you!

bravo to you for being so committed to making this work! hang in there and hope you'll keep us updated
~ bunny mom to to HRH Hareiette, Viktor the crazy Krum and Pandora, prima binky ballerina ~ Save a life, Adopt!

User is Offline babybunsmum
Waterloo ON Canada
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12/26/2007 4:50 AM

wow markus... what an interesting observation from the HRS people!  i was so happy to read that they are optimistic for maryann & dono.     i  can imagine its a relief to you to hear that your efforts haven't been in vain or to dono's detriment.  i agree that a bunny version of 'hitch' would come in handy for you now... i wonder how maryann will learn to groom by licking vs biting?  very interesting creatures they are!  and you're such a patient bunny dad to keep at it with them!  hope your back feels better soon

I like work. It fascinates me. I sit and look at it for hours.

User is Offline MarkBun
Richmond, CA
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1/02/2008 1:17 PM

Just an update on the buns...

My back is still in pain so I am kept mostly on my back on the couch - hence bonding sessions haven't been happening.  I have managed to get up and let the little dickens have their time out of their cages though to get their exercise and for Dono to get to know the apartment better.  Maryann is always the first to come on out and I have to chase her out of the bedroom into the living room else she'll simply hop up on the bed and begin her bunny terrorist activities upon Dono through his cage.  The poor guy will still hop up to the cage wall to sniff at her only to have Maryann return a nip for his troubles.  But when she's in the living room, she's all binkies.

Dono's time out is much more sedated.  I think he's still unsure of the area around him.  He also wants to keep on going back into the bedroom to check in on the sexy doe in her cage - and again receives a nip for his troubles.  As he hops around the bedroom, Maryann will follow him inside of her cage with ears up and open towards him.  If he gets tired of all of his adventuring, he'll lie down next to Maryann's cage (it has a tray wall that is about 4" up from the ground so he can do this without getting nipped).  She, on the other hand, will dig at the bars trying to get at him.

I have standing bonding days every saturday and sunday at the house rabbit society where I can drop the two off and just lie on the ground while a volunteer worries about the buns.  I am not going to give up - especially since it hasn't even been a month yet since I've had Dono. 

My bonding quest with Maryann - Read about a less than easy bonding with two buns - but they did bond!

User is Offline Thumpers_Mom
New York
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1/02/2008 2:25 PM
I'm sorry your are still not feeling all better...but I am very happy to hear that you are still working with the buns. I know there were times I thought it wasn't going to happen and now I am elated that Thumper and Peaches have finally bonded. Can't wait to hear the same from you with yours!

Hope you feel better soon!

User is Offline MooBunnay
Dallas, Texas (Allen)
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1/02/2008 2:41 PM
I think my bunny has the same problem as yours! Grace seems to think that giving Raymond a love nip is nice too - and unfortunately Raymond disagrees. Grace is blind so maybe she never saw how to groom a bunny!

User is Offline babybunsmum
Waterloo ON Canada
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1/02/2008 3:41 PM

glad that you're keeping up some hope with maryann & dono!  i can imagine how the back problems are interfereing... i know how debilitating back troubles are.  hope you're on the road to recovery very soon!

I like work. It fascinates me. I sit and look at it for hours.

User is Offline MarkBun
Richmond, CA
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1/10/2008 11:37 AM

So something interesting happened at the latest bonding session at the HRS.  Maryann was her usually nippy self and it came down to them exploring the X-pen individually and anytime Maryann approached Dono, he simply hopped away.

As I usually do, I spend about 5 mins in the cage with them and then head out of the cage, leaving them alone because it seems that Maryann is more aggressive when I'm around (protecting her daddy).  A volunteer who was there to see another rabbit walked up to the X-pen to pet my buns.  Both Maryann and Dono immediately hopped over to her, put their heads down to get the pets - and did it nose to nose!  It looked alot like today's picture on dailybunny.com.  No nipping, no jockeying for position, just bumped heads, lowered down and waited for the pets.

I have a VERY strange girl...

My bonding quest with Maryann - Read about a less than easy bonding with two buns - but they did bond!

User is Offline MooBunnay
Dallas, Texas (Allen)
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1/10/2008 12:03 PM
Ooooo progress! Thats great! And its good that he just hops away rather than turning around to fight. When you take them to the bonding sessions at HRS do you normally take them in the same carrier together? That is probably a good way to kick off the session. It sounds like Maryann is one of those buns who probably grooms Dono when your back is turned, but then as soon as you're looking again she quickly gives him a nip as if to say "ahem, I do not NEED a man." Things are also still not going so well with my bonding, we have discovered that if I feed Grace and Raymond at the same time she will attack him to get him away from the food! So for now they are sharing a cage but she's got floor 3 and he's got 1 and 2.

User is Offline MarkBun
Richmond, CA
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1/15/2008 5:48 AM
So I tried a new bonding technique mentioned at the HRS's Bonding 101 class. I put both Maryann and Dono into the carrier (where they rarely fight) and suspended it in my living room by bungee cords. This mean that whenever one of them moved about, it would begin to rock the carrier. I left them in there for half an hour and there was only one toussle the entire time and that lasted only two seconds.

Although they spent the time facing in different directions, I am hoping that the close proximity of each other will begin to rub off on them. I tried feeding them treats through the door, which Dono took immediately but Maryann didn't. Then again, whenever she's "pouting" she never takes a treat - even her favorites.

I have added a string from the cage to my couch so that I can lie down and relax my back while I monitor the two of them. If a scuffle continues for more than a couple of seconds, I pull on the string and get the carrier swinging more than normal (which quiets them right down).

I'm going to keep on trying this bonding technique for this week and then starting next week, it'll be playtime for both with a nice pile of greens for each of them to start off the playtime.
My bonding quest with Maryann - Read about a less than easy bonding with two buns - but they did bond!
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