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Forum BEHAVIOR Will not pee in litterbox – but everywhere else. Very overwhelmed.

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    • woodstockbun
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        Hi there, I posted about some housing ideas (mostly with flooring) for our 3 month old Holland lop. But I really think I just need some litter training advice as we are having some issues here.

        Woodstock will stay in his litter box all day. It’s where he sleeps, eats his hay and pellets. We removed anything soft from the rest of the cage (has a rubber bottom and is a bit smaller since someone told me to confine the space a bit at first). The only time he comes out of his litter box is to pee on the hard surface of the cage. There’s literally nothing else in the cage except his box in one corner filled with carefresh and hay. The rest of the cage is empty with hard rubber floor. He doesn’t have one spot he pee in, he pees on every single inch of it. It’s been so hard because I spend most of the day cleaning up his pee right away, putting some pee on carefresh in his box.

        Every morning, it’s like a pee flood. He’s soaked in it too from hopping around all night when he only gets out of his box to pee. This is getting a bit overwhelming for us and we are wondering if we made the wrong choice. We knew he’d be messy at first but it’s constant all day. Hops out of the box to pee. Jumps back in his box to spend his time. When we do let him have some leg stretch time, he poos everywhere. Not one or two but everywhere. And he will usually pee as well. If he does pee, I put him back in his cage and put the pee in his box with him. Are we doing something wrong? Everyone says he will pee in the box but it’s just not happening. It’s so much!

         Sorry for the long post but we really appreciate your advice!


      • tobyluv
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          I assume that Woodstock is not neutered, since he is just 3 months old, although he will soon be entering puberty and shortly will be able to be neutered. It can be very difficult to litter box train a rabbit that hasn’t been spayed or neutered. Unneutered rabbits also like to mark their territory, so that is one reason that he is is peeing and pooping all over. Hopefully, if you are planning on having him neutered, he will start using the litter box for peeing and pooping after his surgery. It may take a few weeks for the hormones to abate, so don’t expect him to start using the box right away.


        • woodstockbun
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            Thank you for responding. I knew it was going to take a while, I’m just wondering if there’s anything I could put down on the base of his cage to sort of catch / absorb it? Since he’s not choosing a specific spot, just peeing on every place of the floor in there. He’s sliding around in it and getting pretty stinky. He’s feet and little tummy are just soaked. I didn’t want to put another soft spot in there because I didn’t want him to pee on that but he won’t sleep anywhere but his litter box.


          • VivaLaBunz
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              You can try lining it with puppy pads or newspaper, but only if you’re sure he won’t eat it.


            • woodstockbun
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                I’ve lined with newspaper and he didn’t eat it. It just soaks all the way through since he’s pees all over it through the night. I wish he’d just choose a spot where he likes to pee!


              • BanditCamp
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                  Out of curiosity what does your habitat look like? He might be confusing his house with his litterbox


                • woodstockbun
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                    Right now, he’s in a smaller cage – he’s only 1.5 lb, while his bigger habitat is being built (finished this week). The whole thing is 2.5 feet long x 2 feet wide. One corner has a medium sized rectangle litter box filled with the carefresh and hay. That takes up less than half of his house. The rest of the house is empty except for his water bowl in the opposite corner. I was told to confine him to a smaller space until he gets the hang of using the litter box. So he stays in that litter box all day, even though the rest of the cage is empty. I’ve tried adding willow sticks and a couple of things that looked like fun toys to get him out of there but he’s not interested. He literally only comes out to pee. When he’s out of his cage to exercise he totally runs around and is active and happy. But once he’s in the cage, he’s in the box, pooping and eating hay, getting out to pee in the rest of the cage. I hope this helps get an idea of his habitat?


                  • woodstockbun
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                      Also, I just got a corner box to put in there too, as someone mentioned to give him a second option. He was super excited the moment I put it in there, jumped right in and pooped, then immediately hopped out on the empty part of the house floor and peed everywhere. HA!


                    • tobyluv
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                        To keep him drier and cleaner, you are probably going to have to place a fleece blanket or towel in the bottom of his cage, then change them out and wash them as needed. Hopefully he’s not a chewer. The fleece is safer if it’s chewed on, since it doesn’t contain long stringy fibers like a towel, but you still don’t want him chewing on it much.


                      • woodstockbun
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                          I will give it a go and keep at it for a bit. Will update soon!


                        • BanditCamp
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                            It’s all about comfort. I noticed since I put my corner box in bandit won t even use his first litter box. Just make sure to clean up and place his business in the litter box. Use white vinegar to remove and other smells as well.


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                              So overnight, he peed in his corner box a ton. But also all over the floor of his cage again. So now there’s pee in both boxes, and on the floor. The floor was the messiest it’s been yet. I say he pees more in his corner box than his big box, but he still loves sitting in his big box to hang out and eat hay. Being that his habitat is still so confined, should I remove that big box and try to let him use the corner box only? Should I continue to keep both in there (not a lot of hopping room with both), or do you think it would be ok to put him in his new house which is about 6′ long and 2.5′ wide? I wasn’t sure if I should wait on increasing his house size until he’s consistently not peeing on the floor, I just feel bad that it feels cramped in there with the two boxes – but both are being used.


                            • woodstockbun
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                                Another question – when I take him out of his pen to exercise, today he peed in the first 5 minutes of being out. I soaked up the pee and put it in his litter box and put him back in his pen. Is that right? To put him back in his smaller space if I catch him peeing? Or do I just soak it up and let him keep playing in the larger exercise pen? Sorry, I’m clueless about this!


                              • BanditCamp
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                                  Never try to punish a rabbit, it’s not a dog . Try tak8ng out the bigger box and allowing him to just be him. He will eventually figure it out it takes time getting used to a new place


                                • woodstockbun
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                                    Ok, thank you. I’m just getting different advice and I want to make sure we’re doing the right thing. I guess I just want to know how much space I should be giving him to exercise in compared to his current pen. I know the rabbit.org site sort of hints at not offering much more space to roam until they get the box down. Which he obviously hasn’t at all. But I still want him to be able to stretch his legs. I didn’t want to take him out of his current smaller pen where he’s been peeing all over and then give him a much bigger area (compared to his pen) to run around in to pee all over if that makes sense. We have an 8 panel pen for puppies that we were letting him stretch his legs in, but once again it would end in him doing puddles of pee fairly quickly after being in there.


                                  • MyBunnyWither
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                                      How about you put a bunny bed in the box that he likes and then put a a other box for his littler box. then maby he will sleep in the box that he likes then have a place to pee if he does not pee in the box put little holes on the bottem to the pee get out of the box and into a box that you can get the pee out of. to keep the bunny’s cage on top of some wook planckes and put them under the cage but not in the middle were the hole.the outer things of the planks will go on the out side of the “pee box”. then that will be good so he does not swim in pee all day and night. give a kiss on the bunny for me <3


                                    • woodstockbun
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                                        Thank you Ok, I took a picture in hopes it paints a better picture of his actual setup. We put a woven rug in there to try to absorb a bit. He hasn’t been chewing on anything but his hay and straw mat. The ABC mat is just waterproof but isn’t able to be pulled up. We also put a soft fleece blanket inside of a little hut that he would crawl into. Though he doesn’t really go in there. Right now he’s been into resting on the small sea grass mat. And poop on it too. I’m noticing he poops and pees while he’s eating his pellets and drinking his water. The pellets are across from the litter box since I didn’t think I was supposed to put a food dish in the litter box too. But he definitely peed and pooped all over the woven rug while he was eating the pellets. Do you guys see anything in here I should change up?


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                                          Posted By woodstockbun on 4/05/2017 6:01 PM

                                          Ok, thank you. I’m just getting different advice and I want to make sure we’re doing the right thing. I guess I just want to know how much space I should be giving him to exercise in compared to his current pen. I know the rabbit.org site sort of hints at not offering much more space to roam until they get the box down. Which he obviously hasn’t at all. But I still want him to be able to stretch his legs. I didn’t want to take him out of his current smaller pen where he’s been peeing all over and then give him a much bigger area (compared to his pen) to run around in to pee all over if that makes sense. We have an 8 panel pen for puppies that we were letting him stretch his legs in, but once again it would end in him doing puddles of pee fairly quickly after being in there.

                                          There is lots of advice and sometimes conflicting info around. Because there is not one way that is the only way.  It will differ, rabbit to rabbit, and dependant on environment too.  There are common setups that are successful for a lot of rabbits and those usually get suggested first. It doesn’t mean it will be the answer for your guy though. So it is a matter of trying a bunch of things.
                                          Rabbits entering puberty works against us so it comes down to being able to manage the situation while they are like this. It can be hard work!  But, the hormones do settle a bit and you may see an improvement yet.

                                          Just some additional questions:

                                          How long have you had him? Have his litter habits been like this the whole time? Has he had a health check / wellness exam?

                                          When he had the smaller cage, but was let out for exercise, he still pee’d around the place then also?


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                                            It might help if you dont put hay in the litter box and then you put the water and the food blowls on the other side of the cage. Also i might help to put a gob bed in there with a water proof carpet over the bed. Then maby put some hay and such into dog bed. Hope this helps out! Sarry i thought that it was a cage.


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                                              We’ve had him just for a week. His litter habits were this way from the moment we got him home. We haven’t taken him to the vet or anything yet.

                                              When he was in the smaller cage, he would still pee everywhere. 

                                              This morning woke up to a fully peed on pen. Every nook and cranny. It’s hard for sure. We knew he’d pee a lot, it’s just with my other rabbits it was more of a pooping issue – they always went in their litter boxes. It’s awful.


                                            • woodstockbun
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                                                We have tried not putting hay in the litter box, but he wouldn’t get in it at all without it. He definitely poops in his boxes. Just the pee. Everywhere.


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                                                  Bandit– for me, personally, litter training with my foster rabbits is a lot easier when you place them in the litter box or send them to “time out.” Physical punishment just confuses them and makes them scared, but they’re smart enough to understand time out, in my experience.

                                                  But like everyone else said, it’s different for everyone and every bun! Good on you for trying so hard with this new bunny, I promise it only gets easier!


                                                • Vienna Blue in France
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                                                    Mr female, previously perfectly litter trained, suddenly unlittertrained herself when she was bonded with her husbun. Outdoors she still used the litter tray (he didn’t!). Indoors, not. He did ! Now they’ve both moved into a new condo and it’s very rarely outside the litter tray now. If it is then its because I haven’t cleaned it out fast enough for her ladyship!

                                                    Prior to the condo, I put it down to her doing it once, and then me not being able to clean the area thoroughly (nor move the huge heavy pen) and so she did it again and again following her smell. I reduced the cage down to the size of the litter trays (!!) and she always did it in the tray. Then increased it a bit and same.

                                                    Bunnies love to eat and poop at the same time (good job humans don’t!) so the hay should always be either in or over (depending on the bun) or accessible from the litter tray. Then that contains the poops.

                                                    Maybe he likes the mesh he stands on in the corner. You can do that too with a rectangular tray too.
                                                    Could you put the hay in a heavy flower pot or something to separate it, so he can’t use it as a pillow… that may make him realise what the litter tray is for.

                                                    My female loooves sleeping in the litter tray – don’t know why !!

                                                    Maybe also you have a bun that works the other way to other buns/ Give him a fleece to lay on in the middle and he may sleep on that instead of peeing on it which most other buns seem to do with soft fleece bedding…

                                                    Main thing is to COMPLETELY rid the area of the smell of pee with white vinegar solution (so they forget they’ve peed there before). Buns have a VERY elevated sense of smell…


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                                                      Hi,

                                                      So if he is Not a neutered bun yet he is entering that special age of hormones!  Which could definitely be making it harder to litter train him and could most definitely be causing him to pee everywhere. Since he is Not neutered yet he is hormonal and he could be scent marking, marking his territory.  Once he is fixed it could go 2 ways here, I say this from my own experience with my bunny, who I have had for a year now. I got her when she was 3 months, had to wait until l she was 6 months to spay her. Got her spayed. It did take several months for all the pooping everywhere in my house to Stop, the peeing in my house when I let her out for play time after several moths did Stop too! However when she is in her cage she does Not pee in her litter box 1 year and 1 spay later, she does have a specific spot that she likes to pee in in her cage, I tried moving the box there but she just peed beside it so I just pick up the pee in her cage when I see it, and sometimes during play time she still will occasionally poop in the house, because even though they are fixed it is still possible for them to mark their territory, however neutering/spaying can stop this behavior all together or reduce it. Also if you neuter him you can keep on , for several moths after the neuter, until the hormones balance, clean the floor with a special deodorizer that gets rid of the smell of his pee from the pet store that’s safe for bunnies , because sometimes just cleaning it, with out the pet deodorizer even though we cant smell the pee the rabbit still can and that will encourage him to pee in the same spots again.

                                                       For now just be try and be patent, it is a hard time, but  if you can get him neutered when he is older things should improve.


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                                                        maby he has a blader problem tack him to the vet I might help. this might because of puberty for acting wirdly any other wird things he was been doing? Also how do you mack forms I been trying to to see how… Have a good day. Also send a pic of how much he pees ok so then I can decide if you should go to a vet. because I think I know how much it is and I think that it like a L O T like a 1/2 cage is filled.


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                                                          During the day, when we are home and I can watch him, he is peeing a normal amount – nothing that would be questionable. He usually pees right in front of his bowl of pellets and water. Pees while he’s eating or drinking. Sometimes he’ll be in his litter box, then hop out just to pee next to it, then hop back in.

                                                           It looks like a lot of pee in the morning because we haven’t seen him for 8 hours. So he’s got pee next to the litter box that he probably did a couple of times then the pee puddle over by his food that I’m sure he peed a few times too. So it doesn’t look like he’s just uncontrollably peeing.


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                                                            Oh ok well when he is old enough get him fixed. if you know what I mean. I’m new here so could I ask you a question? how do you make a form like this so people can push on it, see and repley? I looked it up but no help :T so could you tell me? Thank you for your help.


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                                                              Posted By MyBunnyWither on 4/06/2017 7:32 PM

                                                              Oh ok well when he is old enough get him fixed. if you know what I mean. I’m new here so could I ask you a question? how do you make a form like this so people can push on it, see and repley? I looked it up but no help :T so could you tell me? Thank you for your help.

                                                              Go to forums, then find which one you want to post in, for example The Lounge, click it, above that it will say +Add Topic and it will open up from there you can create your own topic.


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                                                                Omg thank you! I will be doing this now you help so much. if you need anything just ask me!


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                                                                  I was just reading this article and it made me think of your problem. Maybe you can try litterboxes everywhere? https://coloradohrs.org/basics-of-litter-training/


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                                                                    So it’s been a couple of days – He had one pee puddle outside his box last night, right in front of his bowl of water. We were gone most of the day but when we got home, he had peed again a few times right in front of his pellets and water bowls, which are right next to each other. He also peed in the middle of his pen sort of randomly on his way over to his food. He was using a little bungalow as a rest spot / bed, but he’s back to spending most of the day in his bigger litter box cozied up to the hay. He has peed in in a couple of times in there, but he’ll hop out, then run over to his food and water bowl and poop (and likely pee) there. I read somewhere I shouldn’t put his pellet bowl in his litter box so it doesn’t get contaminated? But it’s clear that he’s pooping while he eats pellets and drinks his water, so is there something else I could try? Also, as someone mentioned, I am now using the harder pellet litter in hopes it wasn’t as cozy in his box but he’s definitely snuggled up in there.

                                                                     He’s stopped using the corner box as well, which was mostly using to pee and poop in. And now the other litter box is being used for maybe one or two poops, maybe one pee, but basically just as a bed. Why?!

                                                                    If anyone has a solution about the doing his business while eating pellets / drinking water, let me know! Right now, we have a pad down to absorb the pee while he’s over there. But there is also a pile of poop as soon as he hops away.


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                                                                      Thanks for the article. It made me giggle a bit in the section “litter training with respect to urine” , as they state the rabbit will naturally urinate in the same place every time. This has literally never been the case. He pees in every place possible. Currently we have two litter boxes in his pen. One of them he isn’t using at all anymore, where before he was. Now he’d rather just pee and poop wherever his pellets and water are. Sigh.


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                                                                        I have a huge pile of poop near where food is placed and a huge pile of poo in the litter tray where the hay is….


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                                                                          You could try these lockable food/water dishes places over the litter box he is favouring. 

                                                                          Image result for lockable food dish for cage

                                                                          Or something like this potting tray – with a litter box that sits within it and dishes to fit in the section at the back.

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                                                                            The amount of pee is concerning though. I do think it would be worth getting him checked out by a good rabbit vet.

                                                                            What does he eat regularly? How are his hay eating habits?


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                                                                              I’m wondering if it’s concerning as well too. This morning we woke up to a totally soaked pen again. My husband is about done with it. And there were a couple big piles of the soft cecal poops in the pen – he hadn’t eaten them. I haven’t seen him make such big piles of these before.

                                                                               It looks like he used one of the litter boxes, one was completely unused, but still pee right next to it and everywhere else.

                                                                              We tried to put his food and water by his litter box – the bowls up against the wall, then the litter box against the bowls – so that he would have to be in his box to eat / drink. He definitely used them this way, but it didn’t stop the peeing like I thought it might. Or at least cut back. I’d say this was the messiest morning yet. 

                                                                              As for his diet, he gets a constant supply of timothy hay, water, and young rabbit pellets. That’s it so far since he’s so young.

                                                                              This was a morning where I was wondering if we’ve made the wrong choice. We have friends with a couple of baby rabbits who aren’t neutered and both of them are using their litter boxes well. It’s a lot of work, I’m not sure what to do.


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                                                                                It sounds like it maybe time for him to have his big boy operation soon, some bunnies need their operation, because your friends baby rabbits are using their trays doesn’t mean your bunny will, all bun buns are different, like children, like one boy might be in nursery and he still has to wear nappies (Diapers) because he still tinkles about, but the other boys don’t.

                                                                                It could be another 3 months before a vet considers the big boy operation, so sadly you might have to wait, but when he returns he might do the same thing for a little while it doesn’t stop over night.


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                                                                                  Ok, thank you. Trying to be patient. Do you think I need to downsize his pen at all? I posted a picture of his house – I can close in one of the panels if needed as well. I wasn’t sure if he had too much space.


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                                                                                    I would limit his movement at night. Cordening off the pen so he doesnt have total access to pee just anywhere.
                                                                                    Atleast it will make you & your husband saner when you wake up and give him a chance to learn

                                                                                    Is it possible to completely move the pen and put a new protection down on the floor so he learns new habits in a new location….?


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                                                                                      I’m wondering if it’s concerning as well too. This morning we woke up to a totally soaked pen again.

                                                                                      If its the pen from the photo, that does seem an awful lot of pee.

                                                                                      His diet sounds good. (I was curious if there were any veggies that might be diuretic and adding to the problem).

                                                                                      It’s possible it’s not just hormones at play. ie. A bacterial urinary infection or E. Cuniculi infection, which can cause incontinence and/or excessive urination (polyuria).


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                                                                                        Hmm, well the photo I had just cleaned up the floor so you can’t really see any pee on the floor in that one – maybe it’s the bad lighting? There’s a bit of pee in the corner litter box but that would be it.


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                                                                                          I wish we had a different location to put the pen so he could be in the same room with us all the time, but until we move that’s where it has to be. I can definitely try to close an additional panel at night and see if that makes a difference. When we first got him and he was in a smaller cage (until we got the x pen), it didn’t make a difference he still peed all over the thing and it was much smaller! I was hoping he wouldn’t want to get dirty. Darn!


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                                                                                            Posted By woodstockbun on 4/08/2017 12:47 PM
                                                                                            Hmm, well the photo I had just cleaned up the floor so you can’t really see any pee on the floor in that one – maybe it’s the bad lighting? There’s a bit of pee in the corner litter box but that would be it.

                                                                                            Oh no! I wasn’t meaning I could see it is covered in pee. I was just referring to size of the pen. If that is the one you’re finding covered in pee by morning. I wasn’t sure that’s where he was overnight.


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                                                                                              Oh! I understand now – Yes. That’s his pen and where he sleeps overnight. Do you think I should make this smaller for overnight time? I can easily fold in the other panel.

                                                                                              If I do this, should I keep the panel closed most of the day and only open for exercise? Or I can open it back up for day time?

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