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Forum HOUSE RABBIT Q & A 1st kindeling, none survived help (pictures)

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    • Ken
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        I have a rex, lionhead mix, about 11 inches long when positioned (like you would for show). She is approximetly 2 1/2 years old and had her first kindeling on day ~30. She gave birth to 2 kits sometime between 10pm and 3am. Kineling occured in our house, in her nest box with straw and her fur, the kits were on top the fur and not covered up. I found the 2 kits at 3am and they were cold and dead. My wife and I tried warming them up, and even tried rubbing them like you would a kitten that was still born and we still got no responce…we even put them into a home made egg incubator that runs at approximate 100 degrees to ensure they warmed up all the way and still no responce, this is when we called it quits (4am). I measured the kit, they were about 4.25 and 4.5 inches long and weighed about 0.1 lbs (~50 grams) each. They look well developed and I don’t think they looked injured at all.

        I’ve included pics so you can see the babies and mother. At this point I think 1 of 3 things happened, either they were too big and the first got stuck and they both died before being delivered, the mother is very finnicky and maybe stepped on them too much, or they got too cold and just passed away. Please let me know what you think.  
         
         


      • LBJ10
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          Hi Ken! Welcome to BB! I read your post and I wanted to let you know that I did see your pictures. I removed them from your post because they may be disturbing to some members. We are a forum for house rabbits and we advocate for spaying/neutering. This means that you won’t find very many experienced members here when it comes to baby bunnies and their care. There are a few members that have done rescue that have some experience. If they would like to chime in, they are more than welcome to PM you and you can share the pictures with them there.

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          D. Discussions of Breeding and Rabbits as Livestock: Discussions involving intentional breeding (of any animal) and meat & fur rabbits are not allowed.

          • Accidental Litters: We are not a site or forum that has the necessary experience to advise you in this matter. It would be better for your bunnies to use reliable resources for pregnant/nursing does and their babies. Here is a list of resources that you may find very helpful:

          http://www.bio.miami.edu/hare/surpriselitter.html
          http://www.rabbit.org/care/babies.html
          http://www.rabbit.org/care/newborn.html
          http://www.mybunny.org/info/newborn.htm

          -Rabbitsonline.net, caters to a broader range of experience, may also be of help.
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          That being said, I will leave this thread open for now in case one of the experience members wants to comment.


        • LBJ10
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            Since I did see your pictures, I do want to try to answer the question for you. They did not look injured or deformed in any way, so I don’t think they got stuck or anything during the birthing process. Baby bunnies get stepped on all the time, so I’m guessing that is an unlikely explanation as well. So I’m going to go with your third option. Since she is inexperienced, she may not have prepared the nest properly. Baby bunnies can die if they are too cold. Were their tummies full? She may not have fed them either. Even if she did, it would be hard for them to digest things if they are cold. They need to be warm for that as well. Hopefully that helps. Maybe someone else can offer some suggestions. But don’t wait on us if you’re needing answers right away. Like I said, there are only a handful of members with experience and they may not see this right away. A forum that specializes in breeding may be able to provide you with more timely answers.

            I am very sorry that your baby buns died. It’s very sad and unfortunate. But please don’t blame yourself.


          • Ken
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              Thanks, I was borderline about the pictures because their was no abuse or injury and I saw that all posts are reviewed so I am glad you made that call. Also, I missed the part about this forum focusing on spayed/neutered. I’ll keep my eyes open for any helpful responses on here and will be sure scope down any future posts to better fit the purpose of this forum. Thanks for your help.


            • LBJ10
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                No problem! You’re more than welcome to stick around. We love to talk bunnies, so if you have any other questions that we might be able to answer for you please don’t hesitate.


              • Mikey
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                  Was this her first or second litter by chance? Often (but not every time) in the first and sometimes second litter, the mom will ignore the babies often causing them to freeze to death as shes not there to keep them warm and/or because the nest is not prepared properly. If the nest was prepared well, her ignoring them would still cause them to die of starvation


                • vanessa
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                    What was the shape of the nest box? Did it have a 6-inch lip to prevent the babies from accidentally hitching a ride out? My bunnies had 36 kits before I had them spayed/neutered. The very first kit – died the night it was born. I found it cold. It got too far and she didn’t bring it back and keep it warm. I’ve seen this in more than just rabbits. One of my cockatiels hasn’t been a good new mother. She also let a chick wander too far, get cold, and die. Most of the time, they figure it out. If after repeated litters (clutches) they still haven’t got it, they shouldn’t be allowed to breed.

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