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Forum DIET & CARE (Updated wound progress) Snuffles or allergies?

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    • KimitsuKouseki
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        Update :

        I made a picture of the progress of the wounds. Be aware its a bit graphic.

        http://imgur.com/a/SvatI

        The sneezing has gone down considerably in all bunnies exept the daughter. Mama is only once per hour ish and she is back outside since a few days ago.

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        4 days ago I bought/rescued 4 meat bunnies a mom and her 3 kits. I know its forbidden to talk about that, but I think its important to mention to say what kind of environement they are from. The breeder was going to euthanise em for the safety of her other rabbits. At the breeder’s place the mom sneezed every few minutes but the kits didnt. The rabbits were in a open building. Once I got home, putting the rabbits outside, the kits started also sneezing, the little daughter having the worst symptoms.

        4 days ago I started treating all the wounds the mom has from bad cage floor consitions. She had severe infections in all 4 paws and 2 botfly holes on her belly. The flies had gone but the holes hadnt closed due to infection. Last evening I decided to stich those holes since they were getting bigger. For this reason I had to bring her inside the house to watch over her so she wouldnt rip her stiches. When outside she sneezed every 5 mins at least. Sneezing several times in a row with some mucus coming out, but the second I brought her inside she stopped sneezing. She sneezed once after 2h indoors but thats all. She spent the whole night comfy with a dry nose and only a very tiny sneeze once per 2h at most. So Im wondering whats going on. I had assumed it was sniffles or something like it since all 4 were affected but these changes are puzzling me. Ill try bringing the daughter inside this afternoon see if she also stops sneezing, but I though it would be good asking everyone’s opinions.


      • Mikey
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          You said you brought her inside and stitched her up yourself. Are you a liscensed vet trained and certified to work on rabbits? If not, stop right there and take them to a certified rabbit vet. They need to be seen immediately. Youll want to see a certified bunny vet anyway as the only way to tell between allergies and snuffles is by a swab test. If the kits are old enough, youll also have to separate them until you can get them spayed/neutered or theyll breed like crazy. Same for the mom. You need to see a vet for this stuff


        • jerseygirl
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            Hi KimitsuKouseki
            It is fine for you to mention that they were meat rabbits.

            Is it hot where you live at the moment? This wont exactly help determine weather its “snuffles” or allergies but it may explain why she stopped once indoors. A lot of people with “snuffly buns report that the cooler air makes a difference. It help keep the nasal passages open.

            With the bot fly holes, did you check for larvae?

            Sounds like they were in a terrible state. If you have concerns about the place, please look into reporting to an animal welfare organisation.


          • KimitsuKouseki
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              I’m from quebec and we are having heat strikes at the moment, the breeder even lost all her previous litters because of the heat. 55 kits poor things, she even tried hand feeding em, but there was nothing she could do.

              The bot fly holes were empty (other then pus) so I cleaned them rly well and monitored them for a few days. Its only after I saw that they werent getting smaller but actually getting bigger that I decided to stich em up. We’re not suposed to have botflies in Quebec, the breeder I got her from had gotten them already sick from another breeder a month ago and didnt want to touch em in fear of contaminating her other bunnies. So she didnt check them properly. She told me the breeder she got her from does buy US rabbits though, so my theory is either she’s originally from US or that breeder brought an infested rabbit and with the unusual heat we’ve been having, the flies managed to propagate at his farm. Either way, the flies were long gone leaving gaping holes full of pus that didnt manage to heal on their own.

              The breeder had a bunch of new blood rabbits come in with infected feet so she’s overwhelmed. I told her if she calls me I’ll go help her treat em, she was very happy and relieved thanks to my offer and gladly accepted. She’s just waiting to receive the medication since in Canada you cant get antibiotics or even flea/mites treatment without going to a vet.


            • KimitsuKouseki
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                I do not have the money to take them to a vet and I am not a vet, but I’ve always been very good with animals and treating their issues.

                For exemple, I’ve amputated one of my cat’s tail after I rescued her from a cruel neighbor and her tail was completly dead just mummified skin on bone. I assure you she is perfectly happy with what’s left of her tail now. I’ve had to dissect and cut out a broken infected claw from my dad’s dog once too.

                I am confident I can treat all the wounds without issues, the 2 front paws are almost perfectly healed already, the back paws are showing great sings of improvement also. My only worry is the sneezing, but when that’s concerned I can only improve their health as much as I can and hope for the best. The fact she stopped sneezing indoors is what got me to think it might only be allergies.

                The breeder was going to kill em just for safety, not even for meat since the kits were too small. I personnally think they are very lucky I picked them up. They are still meat rabbits but the mom is such an angel it is my goal to bring her to health so she can be my doe and her daughter too if she also gets better. I am deeply sorry, but I cannot afford to take em to a vet, but if you think I should’ve left them and bought a healthy couple insted of giving them a chance to get better I can only apologize. Trust that I want to treat them as good as I can within what I am able to do. Meat rabbits are not normally suitable for pets, even if I brought them to a shelter they would have very little chance of being adopted out and given a chance.


              • LBJ10
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                  Considering the conditions they were kept it, the sneezing is probably more likely a URI than not. JG is right, cooler temperatures do open the nasal passages up. Once they acclimate, they could start sneezing again. So keep an eye out for that.

                  You did good rescuing these bunnies. There’s no doubt about that. I think some of the members are just concerned since rabbits are prone to abscesses and such. They often need antibiotics and not all antibiotics are safe for rabbits. That’s why it’s a good idea to have a vet that is familiar with rabbits.


                • Mikey
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                    You really need to find a way to see a vet and stop working on the rabbits. Not all anesthesia is healthy for rabbits. Not all doses work as planned either. Your buns also need antibiotics and not all antibiotics are safe for rabbits, even if they say they are in moderation. You need a vet who is certified in rabbits to make sure they can become healthy in a safe manner. It is good that you rescued them from becoming meat, but working on them when you have no real knowledge of what you are doing can be very, very dangerous


                  • KimitsuKouseki
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                      Please calm down, her condition has greatly improved already. One paw is already almost completly healed and the others are getting better. The sutures are beautiful and there is no infection forming, I will remove them in a week or when I judge the skin has sealed enough.


                    • KimitsuKouseki
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                        I understand what you mean, I’ve had to cut open a few of the abssesses on the back paws. I have been using topical antibiotic cream and gel on the wounds. I see your concern about if those particular ones are safe or not for her so I’ll keep an eye on that.

                        As for the sneezing, all kits were barelly sneezing even in the huge heat yesterday, and while she does have some dry mucus on her nose right now she doesnt sneeze right now either. The dry mucus is probly because she cant wash her nose cause of the towel wrapped around her neck. I did that to make sure she doesnt chew her sutures.


                      • LBJ10
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                          What is the cream you’re using?


                        • KimitsuKouseki
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                            taro-mometasone cream

                            http://www.clinicalpharmacology.com/apps/images/photo_us_h/053/mome001c.jpg

                            taro-mupirocin ointment

                            http://www.prestoimages.net/store20/rd648/648_pd2231569_1.jpg


                            I want to stop using em as soon as possible, but the infections were so bad I decided to use these until she stabilises, wich I expect will happen in a day or 2. I have these because of an operation scar I have that keeps ripping and getting infected. I havent checked if they are safe, but I considered her condition was so bad it could only help, wich it has greatly.


                          • LBJ10
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                              That’s a corticosteroid. You shouldn’t use corticosteroids in rabbits because they actually delay wound healing. It acts as an immunodepressant in rabbits, allowing bacteria to take over.

                              Here’s info on it: http://www.medirabbit.com/Safe_medication/Corticost/Cortico.htm

                              I would discontinue using the ointment. It isn’t going to help and could actually cause harm. Instead, use Neosporin to treat the wounds. Make sure to get the plain kind, not the kind with a pain reliever added. If you don’t see improvement soon, your bunnies will probably need something stronger in the form of oral antibiotics. Again, not all antibiotics are safe. This is why a vet is needed. They can prescribe something that will be effective and safe, depending on the severity of the infection. Please keep a very close eye on this. Rabbits are prone to abscesses. Vet costs can greatly increase if treatment is delayed too long, so it’s always a good idea to get on top of these things before they get really bad.


                            • Bam
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                                You can also use fucidin cream on rabbits, if you can get that in Canada. It’s an antibiotic cream for use on sores. If you can’t get any antibiotic ointment, it’s better to just keep the wounds clean that to use corticosteroid cream. Rabbits are species very sensitive to corticosteroids and in all species, they subdue the immune response and interfere with wound healing.

                                Maybe you have found this web-site already, but it has a few important pointers about wound-care in rabbits, Like don’t use hydrogen peroxide in deep wounds because it “froths” and air-bubbles can get into the blood-stream. Here’s the link: First aid rabbits

                                The information and tips you get here can by no means replace proper vet care.  


                              • KimitsuKouseki
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                                  Reading that page you linked, they are actually used in severe cases for up to 5 days and for severe swelling although they are a last resource type thing from what I understand. Her condition had already improved enough that I had planed to stop using the cream and ointments already so she should be fine. I doubt my using it so far had been detrimental.

                                  I’ve been treating the wounds everyday for 5 days now and things have greatly improved. Yesterday I had only cleaned the wounds, wanted to give both of us a break from absess poping. 

                                  The front left paw I just poped what I’m sure is the last absess for it. The skin color is normal and there is no swelling and I feel no “suspiciousness” when feeling the area. 

                                  Front right has a little bit more to go, popped 2 that finally got to the surface. There is still a bit of swelling cause those 2 were on both ends of the wounded area, I’ll see tomorrow if that was the last of it or not once the swelling has gone down. 

                                  The back right paw is doing much better, popped 2 surfacing spots but unlike before the old scabs didnt have new pus under em wich is good especially since I didnt check yesterday and those scabs have greatly reduced in size and there is hardly any swelling left on it.

                                  The back left….. that one has been the worst one since the start. On first glance it looks better then the right one since it’s just 1 big round scab, but the amount of pus I took out from it the first day was ridiculous and I’ve had to gently rip off the scab the first 3 days cause too much pus was under it. I know ripping off a scab sounds bad but when the scab is covering such an amount of pus it’s actually rly bad to keep it in since it traps the pus inside making it so the wound can’t heal So it’s better to remove it and make sure to get all the pus out of the area. From there a new scab will form wich will hopefully be a healthier one. Today that scab only had a little bit of pus to give out, so I didnt have to remove it. The swelling had only gone down around that wound so far and today a pocket of pus reached the surface on the most swollen area and so much pus came out, not as bad as the first day on the main wound cause I had taken out 5 times that amount, but still a lot. Enough so the skin actually felt loose from how streched it was. I also popped a smaller one near the heel and while I tried to pop another on the side it wasnt rdy so I was only able to reduce it a bit. 

                                  The holes on the belly seem to have mostly fused especially the bigger one of the 2, so I should be able to remove the stiches tomorrow or the day after maybe. The tread I used isnt stiching tread so I dont want to keep it in too long, I just wanted to give the holes a little help in closing up. I didnt have to put a towel around her head since yesterday and she seems to be leaving em alone so far, wich is good and the infection is gone from that area.

                                  She is still sneezing though, not as much as before but she still is, so I’m going to wait a bit before deciding what I do, for now I’ll focus on healing her paws.

                                  If you’d like I could post a few pictures, I havent so far since they are very graphic and the first day my setup was very “not good” x.x so it makes it look like cruelty, but I rly wasnt expecting it to be so bad so I was ill prepared. Especially since I didnt have a cone so I was afraid of getting bit. I’ve since improved my setup and since she’s an angel I just put the cone on her head, put her on her back and she mostly lets me do everything without having to hold her. When it hurts too much she fights me a bit of course but I just hold her legs and wait for her to calm down and then I can continue.

                                  She’s overall improved so much though and she’s such a sweethearth wich is shocking considering what she’s been through. Even right after treating all her wounds she lets me pet her, even asking for it by putting her head under my hand. I can even hand feed her if I want, I’m still being careful though I dont want her to chop my finger off x.x if she sets her mind to it.

                                  I havent been able to spend time with the kits the last 2 days since it’s been raining like a waterfall but they look alright from when I went to fill their food and water.


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                                    I do have fucidin cream, my father has some. I might use that on her back left leg then if I see a need for it cause I doubt that one is out of the woods yet.

                                    I didnt use any peroxide, I personally rly like using that on myself and my toothbrush but on any animals its rly bad in general. I only used alchool to keep my tools clean when I did the stiches.

                                    I wash the wounds with plenny of water and a bit of dish soap only if theres poo stuck on the wounds.

                                    As for seeing a vet and stuff I’m aware of that, just doing my best with the means I have.


                                  • Bam
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                                      I know you are aware and doing what you can, we just have to stress the importance of real-life vet care.

                                      I never use hydrogen peroxide myself for wounds, but in some places it’s common. Fucidin cream is good, I got that for my Bam when he had a bite-wound. It healed really fine. 

                                      Rip off a scab is what you must do if there’s pus under, an infected wound must be kept open until all pus is gone, and then it needs to heal from the inside and out. In dogs you can put a drain in, but rabbits’ pus is so thick it won’t drain through a tube. 

                                      I’m glad to hear they are doing so much better. Thank you for helping them. 

                                      Pictures can be really scary for people here, so please don’t add any directly to the post.


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                                        Oh btw, I forgot to mention but I’ve been doing hydro therapy on all the wounds, it’s the main reason why I brought her inside other then the sutures, I didnt want her to be exposed to bugs and flies after being wet.


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                                          It’s really very good that you brought her inside, because not only wetness but wounds themselves attract flies and they can lay eggs inside the wounds and cause fly-strike, a really terrible and deadly condition.

                                          I have no experience with hydro therapy for wounds. What you can use is a red laser-pointer (even the cheapest key-chain laser pointer will do) on wounds that are not anywhere near the eyes (cover the bunny’s eyes when you shine the laser). It might sound ridiculous, but it isn’t, it helps cellular communication. But beware of shining the laser into anybody’s eyes, incl your own.


                                        • KimitsuKouseki
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                                            Hydro therapy is very good with treating wounds. I had already started doing hydro therapy when I went to buy the cone and the vet even told me to do it after she saw the pictures. 

                                            A vet explaining hydro therapy. (warning, the dog’s wound is very bad in this video) : https://youtu.be/pNiPYBy6zjk?t=141

                                            Yeah I read about fly strike, it’s why I didnt want her exposed to flies especially after her getting wet.


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                                              Updated the main post with pictures of the progress on the wounds


                                            • LBJ10
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                                                Thank you for the update!

                                                The holes you’re still struggling with. Could there be foreign debris in them? You mentioned botflies before. If these are botfly holes, it’s possible a piece of larva broke off in there. Were the wounds ever flushed?


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                                                  I’ve been flushing out the wounds daily. I gave her a day off from that yesterday though and only took the pictures to do the update. I’ve been rly carefull of cleaning the hole pockets as much as I could.


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                                                    Do you have one of those syringes with the long, flexible ends? That would let you get in there really good, but boy that probably smarts. =\ It might be easier on both of you if you got some oral antibiotics from a vet. Just make sure the vet knows what to prescribe. Not all antibiotics are safe for bunnies. Oral antibiotics would attack the infection from the inside. You’d still want to keep cleaning the wounds but things would heal faster.


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                                                      The breeder I got her from has bunnies with worse wounds MUCH worse wounds. Again she got them in that state from a different breeder and this time I rly feel we should report this. I went to help her start treating em today and omg. One of the best females she rly wanted and payed some good money for had some maggots (fly strike) so we treated that first in a hurry. I shaved her whole tail and vagina area. Also she has an infection so critical on her heel, she’ll probably have to give up on that bunny in my opinion or go to the vet with it. I told her that, because it’s so bad I’m at a loss even if I’m pretty good with these things. She asked me to try though so I made sure she understood I gave no garantee of her even surviving a day. She still wanted me to try so I did… or at least started trying. Please don’t bite my head off guys, I warned her and she insisted.

                                                      First we cleaned and treated her ear mites…. since she had a lot with a lot of pus in there too.

                                                      Then, I cut open the scab on her heel and the amount of pus in there…. and it’s thickened to such an extent it’s hard…. It’s clearly stopping the flow of blood. Her heel was the size of a tennis ball…… I decided to puncture the swolen area higher to create a drain to try to relieve some pressure. I had some resistance and then it went in a lot in an instant as if it was only filled with liquid. TON of blood came out, I wouldnt say I got a vein or anything, but rather that the blood flow had stopped so much, blood started gathering causing much of the swelling. To give you an idea, the heel was so swollen and hard you couldnt make it move anymore. Once I created the puncture, I was able to move her heel a bit. After a while I was able to move it about 15 degree. I didnt remove the hard pus, I feel if I tried to cut it out I’d have to open up the whole sole of her feet and I don’t feel like that’s a good idea at all. I’m not a vet afterall. I’m only hoping that, having the wound open , having desinfected the surface of the stuff and doing hydro therapy, the pus will start to break apart and we can go from there.

                                                      After that, I cleaned her other back paw, but then we stopped there. Her breathing started getting weak so it was getting risky of her going into shock. We gave her a bath and I bandaged her heel since blood was still coming out and then we put her in a hard floor cage with a towel inside. Lady asked me if she should put hay or wood shaving and I told her neither since the wound is so large and gaping open it might get inside of it and make things worse. Hence the towel.

                                                      After that we treated the ears mites of a couple other bunnies. We didnt treat their wounds, we had done a lot already, but the more time passed, the more the bad heel girl got lively. Asking for attention and grooming herself. Her breathing got back to normal too which is great. The breeder took her inside for the day and she should call me tomorrow to continue treatment.

                                                      BUT long story short, her rabbits are actually much worse then mine other then mine having respiratory infections. So she’s in critical need of antibiotics and anti mites products. Because of this she’ll be buying a lot soon and she’ll give me some for my rabbits too so there’s that…. I’m praying for her rabbits though, it’s rly though. If she brought em all to the vet she’s have a bill of a few thousand dollars at least…..


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                                                        All of these bunnies need to go to a vet. It sounds like you guys are torturing them, which you kind of are since you arnt using any anesthesia before cutting them and shoving needles into them. This is so horrible for the rabbits


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                                                          Mikey, torturing them is not what we are trying to do, true they hurt when we work on em and we feel bad about that, but will you send us the money to bring em all to a vet? we’re talking about 20 bunnies this time, not just my mama bunny. That’s a lot of money. 

                                                          I did tell her the bad heel one needed to go to a vet or go on the butcher list because the wound is that severe. Notice how I’m admitting it would be better to either bring her to a vet or kill her! But she doesn’t want to give up on her and she can’t afford vet fees. And honestly cleaning her ears was more painfull for the rabbit then my working on her heel, she didn’t feel a thing when I worked on it because of how swollen and numb it is. She started weakening afterwards only because we’d been working on her from many fronts : ears, fly strike, heel, other paws. And as soon as we noticed that we stopped and she perked up within a few minutes.

                                                          As for needles, I dunno which form of antibiotics she will get. I told her oral would be better in my opinion since it’s easier for us and we avoid risks of creating new absesses, but wich kind she gets is up to her at this point. 

                                                          At least we are trying to help them, something they clearly never had with their previous owners.

                                                          Also did you look at the update pictures for the wounds of my mama bunny in the first post? There’s a LOT of improvement.


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                                                             I understand the issue with finances, but if someone is going to have a breeder business, they need to prepare for treatment. If they are unable to afford taking care of their stock, then that’s a problem, and a new line of work may be best.    The original breeder should be reported.  You mentioned you may… you definitely should. 

                                                             We are not vets here,  and when it comes to things that absolutely need vet care, we can only provide layman advice with limited expertise.   Reading about how you are doing procedures without anesthetic and without a vet training, of course, will be upsetting to members.   

                                                            My advice would be to contact your local SPCA.  Let them know what happened regarding the original breeder, and the progress that has been made.  That you have concerns they would be euthanized if ACC were to take them,  but there are too many to afford a vet and ask if there is anyway they can help.  

                                                            The other option is to contact a rabbit rescue.   They may report the breeder themselves but they may take in the bunnies and give them the care they need with vet care and treatment that may be more humane for them. 

                                                            Many rescues around here have taken in meat rabbits and they turned out to be the sweetest house rabbits!  Many members here have what would have been a “meat” rabbit and they made outstanding house rabbits.  

                                                            Please reach out to resources that may be able to provide the care and relief (from painful treatment)  that is desperately needed. 


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                                                              I agree with all you said, but in the end they are not my bunnies and that breeder is raising em for meat. I’ll tell her about asking for help, but if they cannot be treated without spending way too much money or if they would have to be taken away she will just butcher em. The decision of when to give up will be up to her, I did recommend bad heel one shouldn’t be put through more. What you say about a breeder not being in the business without the ability to care for em is a bit unfair though. She bought these for good money along with their kits, some being pregnant as they came in too and they came in that state….. She was already planning to keep all the kits, they are in good condition. So if it comes to it, the adults that are too far gone will be food and that’ll be it :/ It’s sad and upsetting, but thats how it is with raising for that purpose. She already payed more then their value in meat since she expected to breed em.

                                                              And now I should stop talking since this subject is prohibited….

                                                              The point of the story was to show she was in a hurry to get some medicine and she was going to order some soon…

                                                              The one I took in wasn’t nearly as bad as the ones she received and is already doing much better and although she’s got some ways to go it’s nothing I wouldnt do to myself if I was hurt like that. Tonight I had left my cone at the breeder lady’s place so I had to treat mama bun without a cone and she was a sweetheart, didn’t bite, didn’t even try to and she let me treat all her wounds and all she asked for at the end was a hug. I’m gonna say like my boyfriend, she knows I’m trying to help her.

                                                              The point of the story was that she was going to get medicine for the rabbits
                                                              The point of the story was that she was going to get medicine for the rabbits


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                                                                I do think animals know when a human is trying to help them – if not the first time, then they’re generally just afraid, but once they’ve started to feel relief, they do connect the dots. Mama bun sounds like a sweetheart. If she makes it you’ll be best friends forever.

                                                                Ivermectin is good for ear-mites, I think the oral variety can be bought otc in Canada. Don’t try to remove the crusts from the ears, it’s very painful and they’ll fall off of their own once the ivermectin starts to work. Only a tiny, tiny dot of the paste is required for rabbits. Do NOT use fipronil or any compound containing fipronil. Fipronil is sold under many names, f ex Frontline, Effipro and Sentry. It’s lethal to rabbits. We have had cases of fipronil-poisonings in rabbits here and it’s dreadful.


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                                                                   So the ones that are in the worst shape she would still use to sell for food?    This doesn’t seem healthy even for people.   And in regards to the rabbits, it sounds like even you agree that some of the suffering is too great, but that she wants to see what can be done to prevent $$ loss at the animal’s expense.   I understand that this may be typical of the industry (??) but that’s the reason we do not allow discussions because of situations like this that are just horrible.  I know you are put in this seemingly impossible situation and good for you to try to help in what you can.  Your heart and intentions are definitely in the right place, I can really see that,  but at this point, this sounds like a public health issue, and an animal health issue that should be reported. These animals shouldn’t suffer like this. 
                                                                   I am not sure if you are willing to do that but depending on what you continue to witness and deal with, it’s something you may need to consider.   


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                                                                    Ivermectin is what she is going to buy, but she has to go get it from the US, you need a Vet prescription to buy it here.

                                                                    As for the crust in the ears there were infections under em so we felt it was important to clean them out at least a little for now and she did research and found that temporarilly sulfur mixed with vaseline or baby oil helps so that’s what she did.

                                                                    Thanks for the info though, I’ll keep that in mind.


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                                                                      She doesn’t sell meat. And yes I want to avoid talking about that aspect too, but it’s also a reality that if nothing can be done within reasonable expenses they’ll be put out of their misery. That’s good enough on it’s own I think…. The previous owners wouldve kept exploiting em until they died from their wounds after all. It’s what I hope can be understood or at least be aware of for this situation wich is why I mention it.

                                                                      The lady is just overwhelmed by what she ended up with I think. I mean she was crying and giving me hugs for being willing to help her. She wanted to pay me at least a little, but I refused, if she gets antibiotics and mite treatments soon I’ll just be happy if she shares em for mama bun. The ones who should be reported are the people she got em from. 
                                                                      She really doesn’t like em being in this state. The lady means well and being in her shoes must be way worse then me atm and I wont do anything I feel is asking for too much. It’s why I left bad heel girl’s wound mostly untouched other then exposing the wound and making a draining hole which already provided her with some relief. I’ll keep an eye on her, but if theres no change for the better within days I’ll make the lady understand it’s not right to keep trying. Honestly when I exposed that wound I just stared at it with my hand on my mouth, I was speechless and at a loss. I really think she’s a goner, even a vet would just amputate the leg I think.


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                                                                        Just for info, the lady brought me bad heel girl, which I’ll call Hella from now on, today and is ordering the antibiotics tomorrow. Not gonna put any pictures until I see she has a chance. Wish her luck guys.


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                                                                          Thank you for the info. She will get more individualized care that way. Did you try any local rescues? They may be able to assist you with medical costs. I really fear for that poor bun. She’s going to need a lot more help than the first one you took in.


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                                                                            Btw, rabbit lady told me the people she got her from don’t have rabbits anymore, she bought em all. All the adults are in bad shape too but no where near as bad as Hella, so we’ll get to em later.


                                                                          • KimitsuKouseki
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                                                                              I’m so sorry everyone, Hella died in my arms just now.


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                                                                                So sorry!


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                                                                                  I’m sorry.
                                                                                  Binky Free Hella


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                                                                                    I’m so sorry.
                                                                                    You tried.
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