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Forum BEHAVIOR Adventures of Adjusting my New Rabbit to Indoor Life

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    • Candle
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        Just yesterday evening I got a new rabbit. She’s a flemish giant. 6 months old and not yet spayed (I just booked an appointment today). Before I had her she had been living in a tiny 4 footish cage. about 1.5 feet wide and 1.5 feet tall. in a triangle type shape so it was tallest in the middle. I figure I’m going to have lots of questions about adjusting her to a new life so I figured I’d just make this thread. 

        The good news is my first concern is over. After 15 hours she finally did a big bunch of poops and peed.

        Now I’m wondering what’s wrong with her legs? She seems to move ok but her back legs sometimes get quite shaky. She moves more like a dog than hopping like a rabbit which I’m assuming is because she didn’t have the room to go any taller up than she is. She’s started moving her back legs at the same time sometimes but when she goes back to the 4 separate feet way her back legs are really shaky. Is that just because that’s not how she’s supposed to move anyway or should I be concerned?

        It’s been really cool watching her slowly come out of her shell. She’s in our bathroom right now while she learns to get litter trained and stuff. Watching her stretch up is really cool because she just never had so much space!

        Anyway I’m sure many more questions will come up as we begin this adventure. 

        I currently have a 1.5 year neutered male rabbit as well. I haven’t introduced them besides through the cage on the drive hom since she isn’t spayed and I’m not sure if that’s something I want to start or wait until a couple weeks after the surgery. Any suggestions would be great!


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          Yay! Your new bun sounds lovely and is very lucky to have found a new home with so much more room to binky around in.

          With regard to the legs, my guess is that having had insufficient room to move around in, she needs to build up strength in her leg muscles. But definitely mention it to the vet when she goes in for her pre-spay checkup.

          I would also wait about a month after her spay before attempting to bond. You want to make sure all residual hormones have settled so that the bonding process doesn’t run into any setback scuffles.


        • Candle
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            I have a confession. I got excited and impatient so I set a bedsheet on the kitchen floor for “neutral ground” and just let them go for a moment, ready to jump in if necessary. Ummm, Unibunny (My male) loved her. He just started humping her like crazy and she didn’t really do anything. She moved away a bit but it wasn’t like angry or scared or anything. Anyway I separated them again but yeah. He hasn’t humped anything since his neuter over a year ago. It was so weird. She must just reek of estrogen or something?

            Anyway now I know they don’t for sure hate each other but I’ll keep them apart until well after her surgery so they don’t start any fights or anything


          • Q8bunny
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              Humping during bonding is not a sign of affection – it’s an attempt at establishing dominance. I strongly suggest not attempting a bond until at least a few weeks (preferably more) after spaying. All it takes is a few seconds of pain or fright while one bun tries to assert dominance over the other and you may never be able to bond them (bunnies remember altercations and can hold grudges).


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                I’m afraid humping in a situation like this really is about dominance and territory. You’ve brought a new bunny into Unibunny’s territory. New bun probably didn’t lash out because she’s new in an unknown place. But my fear is next time she won’t be that submissive at all. Bunnies can really hurt each other when they fight, you can get bad injuries that require vet care to eyes and ears and genitals f ex. 

                We have bonding-info and tips here: BONDING INFO

                You can also look for tips in the bonding-subforum. You can start your own thread there and make a bonding-diary, starting with pre-bonding. 

                I know it’s frustrating to have to wait, but with buns, slow is absolutely the best way to go. They are very territorial animals.


              • Candle
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                  Yikes! Good to know! Thanks! I thought the kitchen floor would be neutral ground since he never chooses to go there but okey dokey! Definitely won’t try that again for a while after the surgery!

                  So should I even wait to start the pre-bonding until after the surgery and everything is healed? 


                • Q8bunny
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                    Yep. Wait until conditions are ideal before even starting to prep for a bond.


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                      I’d say the hind leg weakness is due to her previous cage, but there is a concern that it could be due to another issue, perhaps E. cuniculi of which hind leg weakness can be a symptom. On the off chance it is that, it’s recommended to keep her separate from your other bunn, and definitely mention it to the vet and keep an eye on it to make sure it doesn’t get any worse. Very excited that she has the chance of a new life with you out of that terrible cage


                    • Candle
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                        So question about her poops! she doesn’t seem to poop nearly as much as my other bun, and they’re about half the size. The thing is she’s a flemish giant X and he’s a lop/lionhead mix who is only like half her size so far. Is that weird?

                        Also good news! I took her to get spayed this morning and they said the surgery went well. I’m just about to pick her up


                      • Candle
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                          She seems to have her appetite back to almost normal! I was pretty worried about her for a while. She only ate very little amounts and didn’t even seem to make a dent in her water except that she’s peed in her litterbox so I guess she had. I just finished a nice grooming/bonding time which she enjoyed and now she’s eating her lettuce This rabbit is adorable!


                        • Vienna Blue in France
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                            That’s great news Candle !! The post-op wait for pee and poop is always tense… so if she’s back to that then that’s great – remember to be patient with the physical bonding process.
                            I’m guessing they can see each other through bars or different rooms (?) and you can start the process by putting something in their enclosures and then swapping them over so they can get used to each other’s smells.

                            Other members will have more good pre-bonding preparation advice


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                              Lucky bunny to come to a nice caring home. Great she’s come through the spay and is eating too

                              I have three rescue buns, the most recent had been kept in a rescue centre hutch for around 9 months, and while he was in a better situation than yr new bun, he hadn’t had enough room to be properly active. The first night he was here, he discovered the stairs, but could only mange to get half way up, before he gave up and came back down. He’s been with us nearly four months now, and daily running up and down the stairs, which he loves, has given him lovely strong back legs. Hopefully yr bun’s legs will strengthen just like Podge’s did, though obviously she can’t do too much until she is well healed from her spay. Does she have a name yet?


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                                Wow, she’s so lucky to have been adopted by you. How inhumane to keep an animal in such a small space
                                She seems to make a good recovery from the spaying surgery, and I hope she’ll recover her leg strength as well!


                              • Vienna Blue in France
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                                  Four months Gina?? Podge arrived FOUR months ago??!!!!! Goodness gracious, it seems like years !!!
                                  Having said that, I’ve only been a member here 9 months… golly 


                                • Vienna Blue in France
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                                    Forgot to say Candle, avoid (as much as you can) her jumping up whilst she is recovering.

                                    2 weeks and it should be OK. Zou was in a (large dog) cage till then and let out for supervised floortime (and unlimited floor based cuddles and kisses of course)


                                  • Candle
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                                      Oops! By bonding I meant me and her bonding, she hasn’t seen Unibunny since that one experience. She just loves coming up to me for pets and loves me using her brush on her.
                                      So should I not let her out of the bathroom to even hop around? The vet told me no jumping like… to upper levels if there were two in her cage or whatever. But is just moving around even too dangerous? I may have done something bad then because last night she looked so still and bored so I let her hop around on the floor for like 10 minutes. She didn’t do anything crazy but did move around for sure. Eeek! Also yes she was given pain meds, I have antibiotics and pain meds to give from a syringe for about 2-3 days (Not sure which is the antibiotic or the pain one). I’m just about to go to the feed store and pick up a new type of hay since neither of them seem to care for the stuff I have now. Hopefully this will go better! It’s so nice seeing a personality coming out of her. When we got her we had absolutely no idea what kind of rabbit she would be. She’s so great!


                                    • Vienna Blue in France
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                                        She can hop gently – I’m guessing she wouldn’t if she hurt – but no excited binkying around or chasing around the floor… hoppity-hop is OK, but limited !


                                      • Candle
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                                          Got them some new hay yesterday. They absolutely love it and I’m so happy to see her eating more!


                                        • Candle
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                                            Bunita has started getting brave and exploring our living room. She’s also discovered she loves to eat rug. How do I stop this?


                                          • Q8bunny
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                                              Distraction. As soon as you catch her, pop an old phonebook or some other chew toy over the spot to derail her train of thought to a chew-safe item.


                                            • Vienna Blue in France
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                                                Orrrrrr…… remove said rug !


                                              • Candle
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                                                  We have hardwood floors though and the rug in the living room is what we use to exercise Unibunny. Every night he binkies for a long time on it because it’s easy for him to get grip and he loves it. That’s the plan with her as well if we can manage.
                                                  Now for the real question… Where on earth can I get a phonebook these days?


                                                • Vienna Blue in France
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                                                    rofl – good question indeed ! A newspaper will do the same trick – just something to avert her attention.

                                                    Yes I have (slippery) tiles and my bun doesn’t like walking on them, so I have a “bunny carpet rug”, which I bought second hand (very nice it is too though!) and more importantly cheaply with the sole intention of bun being ‘allowed’ to chew should she wish.

                                                    Of course I always stop her if I see her doing it – but I don’t go bananas because she chewing my wonderfully expensive persian rug !! (that I don’t have… it was an example ….. )

                                                    So 4 choices :
                                                    => either accept that the current rug will have nibbles marks on it
                                                    => cover up all edges (with a wooden frame around it)
                                                    => cover up edges with furniture.
                                                    => In the event that none of the above 3 are acceptable, I suggest replace current rug with one that bun IS allowed to chew…. “if you can’t beat em….”


                                                  • Candle
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                                                      Lol thanks. It doesn’t matter that she’s chewing it really, we bought it at wal-mart, it’s more I’m scared she’s going to swallow the pieces because it looks like that’s her intention. She just rips from the middle of the carpet


                                                    • Candle
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                                                        So we came back from a week long vacation. I had a friend check in on the rabbits everyday and let them out to run. 

                                                        It seems Bunita has decided the drywall is pretty tasty and made quite a hole. She’s also chewing everything in site.

                                                        I feel like  she’s going to take quite a bit of work to train. She’s so sweet though!


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                                                          I made another post about this in the bonding section but thought I’d update this one. Unibunny and Bunita are now laying down together and just chilling when it’s a neutral blanket in a neutral room! Yay!


                                                        • Vienna Blue in France
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                                                            Oh yayyyyy that’s great news !! well done you. So do you have a ‘he room’, a ‘her room’ and a neutral room??! Haha


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                                                              The “he” room is our bedroom, the “her” room is the bathroom, the mix but only one-at-a-time is the living room and the “their” room is just the corner/kitchen where there isn’t a rug so they never went there before. Our place is really small so we had to be creative lol. 


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                                                                Well you’ll just have to move (or extend) the neutral rug one bit (a foot?) at a time into the mixed area…. see if they notice !!
                                                                Before they realise it they’ll be sharing the mixed area and you can have your bedroom back !!!


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                                                                  So they now share the living room for the most part. every once in a while there’s a little hump-fest but it usually ends after a few seconds and they go their separate ways. Would this be considered progress? They put up with eachother in that spot but you don’t see them cuddling or anything. Every once in a while Bunita runs up to Unibunny to (what looks like) cuddle and he ignores her so then she gets mad after a bit and starts humping so he just hops away… I don’t really see them bonding but they’re sharing a space so that’s good right? If they ever get to the point where they can just be two bunnies living in the same spot but never really bond that’s ok too as long as they don’t fight, right?


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                                                                    Hmm I reckon so…. I think there’s a “respectful bond” and a “head over heals in love bond”… and I reckon they’re both good.
                                                                    Maybe in time the arranged marriage will blossom !!
                                                                    Well done ! It certainly is progress. One never thinks so and that’s the joy of posting, you can go back and check how far you’ve really come !


                                                                  • Candle
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                                                                      Thanks Bunita seems to be pretty dominant but Unibunny has zero interest in her. She’ll nuzzle up to him and put her head down really pushy and it looks like she’s demanding licks from him but he just goes away and then she tries to hump him into submission. I just hope they’ll get to a point that they don’t need to deal with the dominance and just be okay because I would still never trust them alone yet. It’s weird when he ignores her though, often he just goes and binkies away.


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                                                                        They’re both binkying a little bit in the living room. It’s exciting!

                                                                        Update: They actually both hopped to the bathroom (Bunita’s room) and she didn’t get territorial at all! She let him hop around and go in the litterbox and everything 


                                                                      • Vienna Blue in France
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                                                                          One baby step (bunny hop) at a time !!!


                                                                        • Azerane
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                                                                            Baby steps into the elevator…


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                                                                              ??? lol ??? Because…? Then…..? They fly up when they’ve twigged ?


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                                                                                Hey, congrats! Have you decided on a name?

                                                                                Ditto on the weakness in the back legs. I can say with near certainty that it was from her not moving around enough. She’ll get her strength back and be hopping up onto non-approved furniture in no time! You’re going to the vet soon, so you can get that confirmed by a professional. I know what you mean about watching her come out of her shell. It tugs at the heartstrings!

                                                                                Part of my bun’s backstory was being a victim of pet hoarding, so we’re keeping her an only pet and thus I have no experience with bonding. From what I’ve read though, it might be in your best interest to play the long game with it and wait for the surgery. Again, this is just intuition, but it seems to me that while bunny personalities vary in many ways, there are still “rules” that are pretty dependable. I know you’re dying to get the cuteness going, but maybe just delay the gratification a wee bit longer?


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                                                                                  Vienna, no it’s a reference to What About Bob, a Bill Murray movie

                                                                                  It’s great to hear that she is hopping around and doing binkies now! She must be developing some strength in her hind legs after being cooped up for so long


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                                                                                    Haha Azerene, don’t worry I got the reference
                                                                                    And yeah. She tried coming into his room now and he let her until she tried to go in the cage and he got super mad so I kicked her out of the room again. That was yesterday, today I caught her walking in and honking. Before he chased her or anything, she just decided to explore and honked when she first got in and again. I made her leave again in case it was to get in a fight but what would that mean? Anyway I’m super pleased with their progress
                                                                                    Bunita is a bum lately though in the living room lol. I give them pellets to share on the rug and she digs at it and flips the bowl. I have to vacuum after each time. Ah well, I’m happy about how much things have changed already. I feel hopeful now


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                                                                                      Ooh! also she did this mysterious teeth chattering thing that had me concerned she needed her teeth looked at but I looked it up and I’m told it’s her purring!

                                                                                      Yay for happy buns! And not having to make a vet visit!


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                                                                                        So last night we heard a loud noise in the bathroom (Where Bunita is kept). I found her on top of her hay feeder/litterbox. We blocked it off and maybe 10 minutes later heard an even louder noise. I walked in to find her sitting ON THE WASHING MACHINE!

                                                                                        How do we stop this? She wants to get behind the washer because we’ve blocked it off and she had a particular piece of drywall she enjoyed eating. I’m scared she’ll jump up, go to the back and get stuck. Or jump up and just slide off completely and seriously injure herself.

                                                                                        How can I bunny proof something that is already blocked off. 

                                                                                        I thought it would be fantastic to get a larger rabbit but holy crap, she can jump anywhere, and she DOES! Which would be cool if she wasn’t destruct-o bunny but she is…

                                                                                        My husband was pretty upset with her last night and I don’t blame him, she’s been so much more work than Unibunny ever was and we just didn’t expect it. Thankfully we’re going to keep working on her but it’s hard when she just eats everything and anything.

                                                                                        Anywhere I’m done my little vent/rant. Ideas would be wonderful though


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                                                                                          Oh dear it sounds like the “second child phenomenon” – second child is always more work than the first.

                                                                                          Henry is having the same effect on me…. He just wants to be everywhere he’s not allowed….

                                                                                          I’m afraid the answer is obvious without being so : you have to make the access to the washing machine higher… or enclose her so she can’t get out when not being supervised.


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                                                                                            Also – if it helps – my Zou who is now 6kgs, has stopped jumping such heights – (I think she’s a bit heavy for it now ), so when Bunita becomes adult size she may likely chill out a bit re jumping.


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                                                                                              We’ve moved her to share her room with Unibunny now so there’s nothing she can jump on to that she isn’t allowed so that’s good


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                                                                                                We’ve moved her to share her room with Unibunny now so there’s nothing she can jump on to that she isn’t allowed so that’s good

                                                                                                UPDATE: I just witnessed her literally try to jump up the wall. Like there was absolutely nothing for her to land on, she actually just jumped straight up and tried climbing the wall. I think my rabbit is slightly messed up in the head…

                                                                                                UPDATE 2: They were both laying in the kennel together and she totally flopped right by him and he licked her.  I’m so excited!!!


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                                                                                                  Their first full day together and it was awesome! They spent it mostly side by side but sometimes just went their separate ways.Not a single fight or hump session yet. I feel like things couldn’t be going better between them. They’re both just in the kennel together right now. I’ve seen a couple of flops, a couple grooming moments and a lot of just napping side by side which is so cute.


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                                                                                                    Photos!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


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                                                                                                      I’ll try to figure it out. But for todays update I woke up to a weird noise. Unibunny was humping Bunita and wouldn’t stop. We pulled him away and he would just run right back. Poor girl. So we separated them for a bit and he seemed better. We let them run on the living room carpet because we think they just have tons of energy since they can’t really run around on the hardwood, hopefully that helps. Everything seems calm again for now


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                                                                                                        FINALLY! So yeah, here are the babies snuggled up. I’ll probably post a few more pictures now that I know how!

                                                                                                        Horrible quality but Bunita was flopped


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                                                                                                          Anyway, latest update! The buns have been doing great! I don’t know if it’s just the change for now and as they get more comfortable it will happen again but Bunita is SO much less destructive on the house! She’ll chew her toys/papers but hasn’t tried to eat the wall or anything!
                                                                                                          Last night Unibunny got all humpy again so we had him sleep in the bathroom but they’ve now moved on and are happy together again.
                                                                                                          We’re considering moving our living room rug into the bedroom so they have room to binky around in there instead of playing “the floor is lava” and stepping on any towels or things we put to help them get grip.
                                                                                                          We’ve been letting them out to run in the living room but I think it would be nicer if they just always had the option. We’ll eventually buy a rug for the living room again so they can do both but as a poor newly-ish-wed we can only afford the one lol


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                                                                                                            Ahhh I LOVE those pics. Ermm, I had in my memory that Bunita was a Flemmie ? was I wrong ?

                                                                                                            Could you not get a second hand rug ? I always have and they’re great – obviously ones in good condition !!
                                                                                                            I think rugs are soooo expensive new and if you’re not sure whether the buns will chew it or not….


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                                                                                                              I was told she was so I’m not sure if she was a mix or what. She’s definitely not a full flemmie though We got her at 6 months so I thought she’d still grow but she barely has. They do look about the same size but she actually is probably twice his weight, Unibunny just has fluffy hair so it makes him look filled out. And ooh good idea! We were thinking Walmart-we could get one for like 40 bucks but that could be even better. She’s stopped chewing on the rug now so I don’t think it’ll be an issue
                                                                                                              Unibunny started humping her again last night so we separated them again for the night and they’re together happily (hoppily… HA) now.


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                                                                                                                I’ve never thought about it for my buns, but I wonder if there’s a difference, or an attraction of what the rug is made from. Wool? Synthetic?
                                                                                                                I say this because my friend had lots of rugs, and only one was made from a certain (special) dye and it was only on this one that the dogs would sleep.

                                                                                                                Anyway, buy one that will wear well and that you don’t mind if it has chew marks on the edges…!!!


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                                                                                                                  And re the flemmie. I think her great great great grandfather had part Flemmie in him !!! But she’s so gorgeous. Do you have a better one of her face / markings…. She almost looks like Azerane’s bridge bun Bandit.

                                                                                                                  Henry is supposed to be part Flemmie too….. ummmmm…… like 99% French lop and 1% Flemmie (his stomach!)


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                                                                                                                    I don’t have a head on one but this pretty much shows it. It’s even on both sides.

                                                                                                                    What kind of mystery bunny do you think I have?! !

                                                                                                                    I’m guessing she’s about 6 pounds

                                                                                                                     Her belly is all white underneath. 


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                                                                                                                      They are beautiful 🙂


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                                                                                                                        She has otter colouring at least and looks like she might have some rex? My Guinness has the exact colouring but she’s more poofy/velvety as she’s a mini-rex.


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                                                                                                                          Beautiful! I’ve no idea what she is… But with those colourings and weighing in at 6lb, I think she must be under 1% Flemmie !!!


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                                                                                                                            Dang, I wanted a giant bun and hoped she was just stunted and would magically grow still lol. Oh well. They’re so cute together
                                                                                                                            Last night Unibunny started humping her again and after a few seconds she finally hopped away. He went after her and she calmly hopped a couple more steps and he left her alone after and then they snuggled. Glad she’s finally learning how to get him to stop without freaking out and making him more insistent.
                                                                                                                            We got them a 6×8′ rug yesterday and this morning woke up to them running like crazy. In a good way so that was nice I think they really like having room to run in the room finally.

                                                                                                                            I was just looking up rabbit breeds, do you think she could be part silver marten? I’m not one of those people who needs to be able to describe my rabbits breed exactly, I don’t mind saying she’s a heinz 57 as I still love her just as she is, I just like to have some sort of clue lol


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                                                                                                                              Just based on the 2 photos of a Silver Marten – your’s and good ole Google’s ! – it’s quite likely indeed isn’t it?!! LOL
                                                                                                                              How old is she again? Maybe she does have a bit more growing to do….


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                                                                                                                                She’s around 9 or 10 months now. so I don’t think it will be much if any lol

                                                                                                                                I was looking up rex’s too and her hair isn’t velvety like that. It’s more just like the silver martens. So 6-9 pounds on average… hopefully she’ll become 9 haha


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                                                                                                                                  Ohhh maybe a bit more. Zou filled out for a little longer…. keep hoping!! LOL


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                                                                                                                                    I will! So I put a stuffie in their kennel so Bunita won’t be lonely if we have to move Unibunny into another room for humping her, they’ve both been grooming it now


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                                                                                                                                      So I was feeling dejected because the rabbits wanted nothing to do with me anymore and only wanted to be together but thankfully they’re getting over that. Unibunny jumped on our bed this morning for cuddles for the first time since we put them together

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