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    • Thekillergreece
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        Hello.

        I woke up in the morning, rabbit was laying stretched in her cage. I opened the cage door open and she left and hid in a corner in a ball and then a partial stretched position and wouldnt leave from that position. She just wouldnt leave from her at all, we only gave her a two very small pieces of cucumber, she ate them before laying at corner. After one hour, I decided to place a small pressure in her stomach, a bit like massage for a few seconds and I tried to convince her to leave from the corner. Initially she wouldnt but in the end she left there and went to the window (Like she always does) and stretched out there. I tried to pet her, she wouldnt care much. I moved my hand next to her, she wouldnt walk to it (She often does it when she is happy or wants a pet). I sat next to her, she wouldnt come.

        After 1-2 hours, she would come next to me and request a pet, she would also lick my pants and my hands many times. And then, she decided to go to her cage and some of her pellets (Or something like in English, a rabbit food). Then she decided to poop (Cage was completely clean in order to test her) and I pooped a large amount of poops and one is what concerns me.

        “>http://i.imgur.com/3vWUtvG.jpg

        And then she is kinda in good mood now.

        Should I worry?

        EDIT: ignore the small poops as she doesnt eat hay which is common for the poops to be small in that way. I am concerned about that.. “melted” poop.


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        • jerseygirl
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            It looks like she might have a bit of a gut imbalance. Probably safest to go get her checked out.


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              Do you know why she won’t eat hay?


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                Posted By jerseygirl on 6/25/2016 1:52 AM

                Do you know why she won’t eat hay?

                Because we never bought a hay for her, in fact, the vet (In general) said a hay is not really needed as rabbits can survive without it so she just eats pellets.


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                  Posted By jerseygirl on 6/25/2016 1:47 AM

                  It looks like she might have a bit of a gut imbalance. Probably safest to go get her checked out.

                  What could it be? Giving her too much cucumber or too much any green food and little pellets?

                  To be honest, it was a hot day yesterday night and we turned air conditioner on. Could that be a fault, perhaps putting her in cold? However, air conditioner was not directly blowing it’s air to the rabbit.


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                    Sometimes green food will cause some messy poo for rabbits, particulary if they have a sensitive gut. Normally I would suggest a rabbit going on hay only for a few days to see if things normalise.
                    How long has she been on a pellet only diet? That can be a recipe for long term chronic problems. The worlds most rabbit-savvy vets advocate a diet that is 80-90% hay with pellets only making up a very small portion.

                    If she’s been acting off and you’re seeing messy poo like this, do get her seen because there can be various causes, not just food related. Harmful bacteria (E.coli, clostridium) overgrowth or parasite like Coccidia, for instance.


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                      Posted By jerseygirl on 6/25/2016 2:34 AM

                      Sometimes green food will cause some messy poo for rabbits, particulary if they have a sensitive gut. Normally I would suggest a rabbit going on hay only for a few days to see if things normalise.
                      How long has she been on a pellet only diet? That can be a recipe for long term chronic problems. The worlds most rabbit-savvy vets advocate a diet that is 80-90% hay with pellets only making up a very small portion.

                      If she’s been acting off and you’re seeing messy poo like this, do get her seen because there can be various causes, not just food related. Harmful bacteria (E.coli, clostridium) overgrowth or parasite like Coccidia, for instance.

                      I am getting her to vet now. It’s uh.. Full box of pellets in morning which lasts until afternoon/evening. So I would say around 85% is pellets and 15% green food. We never used any hay.


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                        Im not certain if this is useful to you, but this website is very informative. On Diseases, diet, medications. I’ve linked the Greek version but it is available in English also.
                        http://www.medirabbit.com/HE/index_he.htm

                        There should be a list of safe and unsafe antibiotics listed also. Your vet might out her on an antibiotic so make sure they check it is absolutely rabbit safe. They should have access to current small animal formularies to indicate what is safe and what doses.


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                          English version of “safe” antibiotics  and dangerous antibiotics. Note that some on the safe list can only be given by injection, never by mouth. 

                          Good luck at the vet!  {{{ Afroditi }}}


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                            Posted By jerseygirl on 6/25/2016 2:50 AM

                            English version of “safe” antibiotics  and dangerous antibiotics. Note that some on the safe list can only be given by injection, never by mouth. 

                            Good luck at the vet!  {{{ Afroditi }}}

                            The vet gave us some pills where we have to smash it and place it in a spoon and fill it with water, mix it well and put it in a syringe and inject the syringe INTO rabbit’s mouth, directly behind her front teeth in order for the drug to be “entered” in her body. That shouldnt be an issue right? She also told us that we should avoid green food for 7 days and we should give the drug to the rabbit once a day for 7 days to check if she will be okay after the 7 days.

                            I will write the pills once I got home.


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                              Directly behind the incisors (or at the sides of them depending on how you look at it), there’s a gap where a syring will fit nicely. Give her the dose very slowly so you are making sure she’s swallowing it and not getting it down her lungs or dribble all of it on her chest.

                              Did you tell the vet that she isn’t eating hay at all?


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                                Posted By bam on 6/25/2016 4:09 AM

                                Directly behind the incisors (or at the sides of them depending on how you look at it), there’s a gap where a syring will fit nicely. Give her the dose very slowly so you are making sure she’s swallowing it and not getting it down her lungs or dribble all of it on her chest.

                                Did you tell the vet that she isn’t eating hay at all?

                                Very slowly.. Hmm okay, will hopefully do it correct but I only wonder how resistant she will be.

                                No because the vet already knows that we dont have any hay at all other than green food and pellets.


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                                  She probably won’t be too happy about being syringe-fed, but that is normal. You will spill some on her, that’s more or less unavoidable. Do you know how to burrito a bunny?


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                                    Posted By bam on 6/25/2016 4:19 AM

                                    She probably won’t be too happy about being syringe-fed, but that is normal. You will spill some on her, that’s more or less unavoidable. Do you know how to burrito a bunny?

                                    Where I have to wrap a towel around her? By the way, does the rabbit have to be seated, rolled on her back or?


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                                      Do not roll her on her back!!!! That is very scary for the rabbit, but miostr of all it increases the risk of her getting meds into her lungs, which is sth you want to avoid at all costs.


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                                        A bunny burrito is when you wrap the bun in a towel so she can’t kick out or dig. Apart from physically restraining her, it actually has a calming effect. The best thing is if you can be two people when you give meds: One that holds the bun in his/her lap, one that inserts the syringe and distributes the meds. If the person holding her can cover her eyes, it will help calm her. Be gentle but decisive. If you think she’ll like a treat after, give her the yummiest treat she knows so there’s a reward for her in this whole ordeal.

                                        What is the medicine called?


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                                          Posted By bam on 6/25/2016 4:43 AM

                                          A bunny burrito is when you wrap the bun in a towel so she can’t kick out or dig. Apart from physically restraining her, it actually has a calming effect. The best thing is if you can be two people when you give meds: One that holds the bun in his/her lap, one that inserts the syringe and distributes the meds. If the person holding her can cover her eyes, it will help calm her. Be gentle but decisive. If you think she’ll like a treat after, give her the yummiest treat she knows so there’s a reward for her in this whole ordeal.

                                          What is the medicine called?

                                          I read Xeden tablets. No box just pills the vet gave us. We gave it to rabbit (With water and stuff from a syringe), while she resisted, she licked some of the drug.

                                          EDIT: Seems like it is enrofloxacin in Xeden tablets.


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                                            That’s otherwise known as baytril. Rabbits are often prescribes this. If it’s tablet, it might be dog or cat flavoured tablets (ie. liver   so you might have to mix the powder with something a bit nicer tasting.

                                            I usually do something similar to this when giving oral meds, but I cover the eyes and pull side of mouth back more. 


                                            Pic from rabbit.org


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                                              Posted By jerseygirl on 6/25/2016 7:42 AM

                                              That’s otherwise known as baytril. Rabbits are often prescribes this. If it’s tablet, it might be dog or cat flavoured tablets (ie. liver   so you might have to mix the powder with something a bit nicer tasting.

                                              All due to respect mate, I do not know what to mix it with, xd. Just water and tablet, nothing else I can do. Vet simply said, “Mix it with water and inject it into her mouth” and that’s what I did today.

                                              She resisted during the process but we took it slowly trying to find her mouth (She was laying) and we managed to inject the drug into her mouth. Somehow she would lick it, as if she liked it? She’s in good mood now when I approach her and stuff but would rather still lay stretched on the floor, that’s all she does now other than sleeping.


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                                                Posted By jerseygirl on 6/25/2016 7:42 AM

                                                I usually do something similar to this when giving oral meds, but I cover the eyes and pull side of mouth back more. 


                                                Pic from rabbit.org

                                                Hmmm. We did it by her side, meaning where her cheek is and sort of, we didnt do it.. underneath from her if that’s what I understand from the pic. And yes, we kinda pulled her side of mouth back, not that much but slightly.


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                                                  Oh that’s fine. It doesn’t matter what angle you come from. It’s probably like that just for the photo’s sake.


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                                                    Posted By jerseygirl on 6/25/2016 7:53 AM

                                                    Oh that’s fine. It doesn’t matter what angle you come from. It’s probably like that just for the photo’s sake. Did she take the meds okay?

                                                    I guess so, nothing slipped out from her. We put her on chair when we wanted to proceed the drug process (Because we needed 3 people to handle it. My brother to handle her back and her back feets, me to handle  the rest of rabbit’s body and my mother to inject the drug into her mouth), and nothing slipped off from the drug after the process. But now she’s fine, she poops normally, eats and drinks normally but would still often stretch on floor on some moments. I guess she took the meds okay unless licking the meds shouldnt be good/happen.


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                                                      As long as the rabbit eats, drinks and poops normally, I shouldnt worry about it, right? I see her stretched out on floor too much and often wouldnt be bothered to my approaching her for pets.


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                                                        Eating drinking pooping and relaxing in the presence of her humans are all excellent signs. Rabbits have a third eyelid that is transparent, so they can sleep with their eyes open and look like they’re awake – so she might not see you when you approach her with a treat. Bunnies are normally not very active when it’s warm.
                                                        Keep an eye on her – I know you will do that, of course. It’s great that you are three people when you give her the meds. It sounds like you managed very well


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                                                          She resisted the med today once again but we managed to gave her the drug in matter of seconds. She’s now eating a small piece of peach covered with a peel

                                                           She’s happy and in good mood.

                                                          Is it common for the rabbit to lay her head onto the floor too? 

                                                          Posted By bam on 6/25/2016 4:09 AM 
                                                           Give her the dose very slowly so you are making sure she’s swallowing it and not getting it down her lungs or dribble all of it on her chest. 

                                                          If that happens accidentally, what should I do the next? More importantly, any symptoms on that issue?


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                                                            A very happy and relaxed bunny can put its chin on the floor when it’s resting. So that’s a good sign!
                                                            You must do all you can to avoid that she breathes in her meds, because she could potentially suffocate on it.
                                                            It seems you are doing excellently with the meds though!


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                                                              She resisted to bad today in result the drug didnt fully inject into her.

                                                              I checked her poops(Few seconds after she pooped ofc) just now and saw this. Should I worry or is it normal?

                                                              http://i.imgur.com/FJErMCS.jpg

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                                                              Or should the peach be blamed since I gave it to her 2-3 hours ago?

                                                              She still eats and drinks normally and is on crazy mood too. (Demanding pets, licking a lot)


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                                                                I am awaiting for an answer, kinda worried now.

                                                                EDIT: Never mind, she poops fine now


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                                                                  The “abnormal” poop in your pics are cecals. Normally you never see them, because the bunny eats them as soon as they come out. It’s very common for a bunny to produce excess cecals when its on some sort of meds, especially antibiotics. Antibiotics kill many of the good bacteria in the bunny’s gut, and that means you often see “poop weirdness”. The same thing actually happens when a human gets antibiotics, only we are less sensitive and we don’t produce cecotropes, of course.

                                                                  Give her a little less peach, unless you have to in order to get her to eat, or try to find less ripe peaches – sugar is, as you know best avoided with buns. My Bam loves peach, but I never give him really, really ripe peach.

                                                                  There are probiotics that you can give a bunny that has a bit of tummy-trouble, f ex Animastrath or Benebac (I don’t know what you have in Greece, but those two can be found in many of the world’s countries.)


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                                                                    Posted By bam on 6/28/2016 2:09 AM

                                                                    The “abnormal” poop in your pics are cecals. Normally you never see them, because the bunny eats them as soon as they come out. It’s very common for a bunny to produce excess cecals when its on some sort of meds, especially antibiotics. Antibiotics kill many of the good bacteria in the bunny’s gut, and that means you often see “poop weirdness”. The same thing actually happens when a human gets antibiotics, only we are less sensitive and we don’t produce cecotropes, of course.

                                                                    Give her a little less peach, unless you have to in order to get her to eat, or try to find less ripe peaches – sugar is, as you know best avoided with buns. My Bam loves peach, but I never give him really, really ripe peach.

                                                                    There are probiotics that you can give a bunny that has a bit of tummy-trouble, f ex Animastrath or Benebac (I don’t know what you have in Greece, but those two can be found in many of the world’s countries.)

                                                                    This peach is coloured in red. I assume the ripe peach is the white/greeny peaches? If yes, no I do not give her that one, only red peach and only small/tiny piece a day.


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                                                                      Alright, today is the last day on giving meds to the Afroditi! She resisted so bad today that we almost got scratched by her (She even managed to escape from four “muscled” hands. All good, she’s on good health and great mood! I will let you know more if anything happens.

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