Zouzou’s Spay experience (big bun)

[Vienna Blue in France]

Why I have decided to op at 2 years old .

Zou (scoobyzouzou) is 2 years and 2 months old and weighs in at 6.5kg (14.3 lb) a smidge overweight  (nothing wrong with a “smidge”!).

She is an unaltered, female Vienna Blue. Lives 40% indoors (open ktichen) and 60% outdoors (she’s free-run with a 3 storey bunny condo made from converted-kitchen dresser). She is more than happy in company of resident cat and recently rainbow’d family dog.

Within the last let’s say 6 months, I’ve noticed a change in her behaviour.

When I’m near her she’s recently started licking me (skin and clothes!) and is obsessive with it. Then she works herself into a honking episode. And I’ve noticed when she’s excited, she becomes more territorial with me when in her large holiday ‘enclosure’ and with the cat in our open kitchen.

And it is this slightly aggressive behaviour (no bites, no blood, just nips – some harsh towards to puss – and her energy seems to have been raised up a level) which has made me decide on THE op.

She has always been affectionate and always eager to lay down next to me (laying down on the floor). (She stopped liked being picked up about 8 months old).  She comes when called and quite happily binkys and does theatrical dead flops (rather too convincingly sometimes!).

There is the known health issue with girl buns (uterine cancer) and it is personal preference : situation – financial or geographical – beliefs, pros and cons of op,  and more…  that makes us all go with one decision or t’other. I had decided on not getting her spayed (for none of the above reasons actually… lol). However due to this new development in her usually gorgeous self, I have changed that decision to see if it helps her with her hormones / PMT épisodes…. 

So I’ve booked her in for this Thursday!!! I pick her up Thursday eve and I’ve taken Friday off work (any excuse!!!) to play Nursie !

I will prepare the large dog crate so she remains sedantory for a few days until she heals. And I’ll go foraging for lots of dandelion leaves on Thursday-day to encourage her to eat.

So there, thread up and running for my small “big bunny” !   Wish her luck  ! “2 sleeps” until the op…

[Gina.Jenny]

Lots of positive vibes for (((Zouzou))) and nervous bunny mum?

[Niamian]

(((((Lady Zou)))))

[Vienna Blue in France]

Nah, thanks anyway GJ, but I’m not the nervous sort…. … … … …. …. …. … .. …. (ask me Thursday after I’ve dropped her orf !!)

[Bam]

Lots and lots of good spay-vibes for Zouzou.

[Azerane]

Wishing her all the very best for her Op. She’s goign to be one frustrated bunn in that dog crate I can picture the destruction now

[Vienna Blue in France]

LOL Azerane – well I’ve taken Friday off so she’ll be in the kitchen with me, flopped against the patio doors as per usual… but night time, yes she will be in the two adjoining dog crates, and without her usual mezzanine’ shelf in place to doze on…. hopefully the first night she’ll be dozy and won’t notice !! LOL

[Vienna Blue in France]

Dropped her off this morn !

I challenged the chief vet (who happened to be passing by) as to what breed she was, in return for a 10% discount (I’m cheeky when I need to be – lol)…
He didn’t guess it “you know, there are sooo many rabbit breeds and my vet studies were 35 yrs ago…. ” LOL

I wonder if I’ll get the 10% off !!!! LOL I’ll certainly remind them !!

(( Quick & safe wake up vibes for Zou and for rapid re-nibbling habits ))

[Gina.Jenny]

(((Vibes for Zou)))

[Brambino]

((Safe spay vibes)) She is one stunning bunny!

[Q8bunny]

((((((Good spay vibes for mon petit chou Zou))))))

[Vienna Blue in France]

Yay!! Just called vet. All went well and Zou has woken up just fine. Can go pick her up after work. Yay double yay.

[Q8bunny]

Noms and poops to your big darling little girl.

[Niamian]

Yey! Speedy recovery now Zouzou!

P.S. Did you get your discount? Lol

[Gina.Jenny]

Yay for Zou, healing vibes x

[Vienna Blue in France]

Not so yay….
The vet discovered something he’d never seen before and wondered if that was why I brought her in. I said no.

In fact spayed females (as I understood it) get an ovarectomy (removal of ovaries) and then the uterus (size of a ball point pen nib !) just shrivels away.

On opening up Zou, he found a huge uterus (not cancerous) filled with blood which he called “métrorragie” and cysts on the ovaries.
He can’t explain the blood (had she been bleeding? No, I said) only that maybe the cysts on the ovaries made her produce more hormones which made her uterus fill up with blood…. don’t quite understand it all, but it just seems fate played a big hand in getting the utérus out today.

Maybe her changing character over the past several months was due to this….? Hormones going bonkers…?
I guess we’ll never know for sure, but I’m now very glad to have had a sixth sense and got her spayed.

I’ve got the sample he removed… (the vet nurse knows me and knew I’d be interested in it!)
If you’re queasy and wheezy at the sight of blood scroll quickly down the next post !! LOL

[Edit: Now clickable link]

[Vienna Blue in France]

So it looks like bbq sausages….  a bunny utérus should be the size of a ball point pen nib (see on photo) – even taking into account Zou’s big size….

So, not sure what was going on there…. but “not normal” and “full of blood” is surely NEVER good in a body part where it shouldn’t be…

Photo of her uterus – click

[Gina.Jenny]

So glad that is outside poor Zou she should feel better with that gone!

[Vienna Blue in France]

Below – So on getting her home I took the top of the travel carrier (SO glad I took the one where the top comes off, the other one is access just through the door!!) – and she was all floppy, bless her !!! And SO heavy to lift and so slippery as I didn’t want to touch her belly….

Below – I got the small dog crate ready so she wouldn’t be tempted to do a marathon in it on ‘coming round’…

On a simple sterlisation, the incision is much smaller, but on taking out the bbq sausage, he had to cut bigger., about 10 cm apparently – so a BANDAGE is necessary!!  Poor sweetie !! LOL  I can see her accepting that when she’s back with energy inside her…  OH yes !

Noooo chance she’l be nibbling at that bandage – nooooooo sir’eee, no chance at all !!!!    

Below – Now we’ve been home an hour she’s put herself upright, though when I stroke her head she’s still all wobbly jelly-like!!

Heeeey man….. just chiiiiiiill  !! 

For those medics amongst you, she received  :

    :  Dexdomitor => 3ml  (if that is 0.30 of 10ml !  LOL)

    :  Antsedan injection  => 1ml

and

    :  Metacam (for cats)    =>  2ml per day for 5 days.

TOTAL COST : 175 euros  (gulp)

Questions : 

1) I’ve put her fave treats next to her but she hasn’t touched them yet – how long should I leave it do you think before I start force feeding her mashed up pellets or apple puree?

2) Also – do you think it would be wise to put her in the big crate now (when I CAN lift her) – if I have to force feed her it won’t be practical through a relatively small door. In the big cage I can almost climb in myself… well, when it’s on the floor, at the moment the cage has pride of place on kitchen table, away from drafts and so she can see me tap-tapping on the computer, and I can keep an eye on her!!. But if she’s back to physical strength tomorrow, she may reist me picking her up and open her war-wound…).

But a bigger crate and she’d be able to bounce around a bit…. in the little one she can only lay calm, nothing else.

[Gina.Jenny]

Keeping her warm is as important as getting food in her, poor jenny really struggled with keeping warm after her spay.

I would try to get something in her two hours before you go to bed, so you can give a second portion just before bed, unless she is eating herself by then.

[Vienna Blue in France]

OK – warmth sorted out…. 

[Crashley]

Vienna after winnies surgery i waited about 3 hours before i fed her. I waited to see if she would nibble anything and she wouldnt touch anything. I brought winnie home about 4 pm and forced fed her mashed up pellets about 7 pm. Also to give her alittle bit of sugar and energy i also mashed up a piece of banana and gave it to her. I force fed winnie about every 6 hours after the first day she seemed to get a little appetite, i feel like the banana helped a lot to give her enough energy to get up and nibble some lettuce. Though winnie was just eating lettuce, i continued to force feed her till the 3rd day. She started eating some hay and pellets. Winnie did get alittle diarrhea(due to anathestic) the first night. The pooping will be slow until she starts to eat normal again. With your cage situation, switching to the bigger one should be fine as long as she cant go wild in it, do jumping up and down on different levels. Shes a bigger bun anyways. After the 3rd day winnie started getting ancy in her cage so i would give her about 10 mins of supervised play time a day. And now shes back to free roam. Her healing went real quick

[Vienna Blue in France]

Thanks Crashley – that helps. I will start trying to force feed now…. I thought about everything else, but “d’Oh!” I forgot a banana !!!!

[Vienna Blue in France]

“I MIGHT be interested in the bestest, yummiest TREATS I know….. just sniffing, I don’t feel up to eating yet though.”

The HWB keeps her cosy warm and she’s in the big cage now so she won’t have to be moved again…

[Vienna Blue in France]

Simple bunny burrito’s do NOT work if you (or your bun!) happen to have the biggest dewlap in the world!!  LOL

So I’ve invented the TEA TOWEL BIB BURRITO !!! Under chin, on top of dewlap and the mouth does not disappear into the mound of softness !!!

Then take full advantage of drugged-up bunny (check out those eyes!  “heeeey man”!) and syringe away !!  Make the most of it for tomorrow will not be so simple (a less drugged bunny!)

[Gina.Jenny]

Eating vibes xxx

[Vienna Blue in France]

Is it going overboard if I sleep next to her tonight on the sofa? Do I need to? (I’d prefer not to!! LOL)

[Gina.Jenny]

I had to stay up with Jenny, but that was cos she was so cold. Gina didn’t need me up with her. Can you bring the dog cage into yr room, or near at least as near as possible?

[Vienna Blue in France]

Euh… no… not possible to move cage upstairs. (I have stairs that you need a rock climbing certificate for….)

[Gina.Jenny]

once Jenny turned the corner, I slept upstairs, but set an alarm twice during the night so I’d wake up, pop down and check her, is that a better idea than the sofa?

[MoxieMeadows]

Continued healing (((((VIBES))))) for ZouZou!!!

[Bam]

So many healing-vibes! I’d sleep on the couch next to her, just so she’d feel she has company. And I’ld set the alarm to check so she isn’t getting cold.
Eta: Just read back in the thread. So glad you made this decision. She had to get that out for sure. It seems more than likely that her behavioral changes of late were caused by “hormonal storms”.
Now you heal well and fast, mademoiselle Zouzou!

[pinknfwuffy]

Get well soon, lovely Zouzou! Gobble up those tasty treats and have a speedy recovery.

[LuckyBunny]

I hope Zou recovers quickly! She looks really out of it in those pictures haha

[Q8bunny]

Poor, sweet darling bunbun.

Like you, I’m really glad the timing was so fortuitous. Deep relief. From what I read and saw, Zou had something akin to endometriosis.

Now, to be fair, a bunny uterus is not quite as small as a pen nib. The sausage bits you see are probably the two uterine horns. They are, indeed, grossly enlarged, but they do look like small breakfast sausages in normal circumstances. Buns have a duplex uterus and each “sausage” holds baby buns like a pod holds peas.

[Q8bunny]

Sorry… Hit button by accident.

I was also going to say that your little stoner is adorable even as an invalid, and that I can’t wait until she has the energy to drive her mommy to distraction again.

(((Bounce back soon, ZouZou.)))

[Vienna Blue in France]

Morning !! Zou’s rather stubborn strength has returned and I am VERY happy to have put her in big cage last night so I don’t have to move her now!
Breakfast = 5ml of Metacam given by force feeding – and “force” is the word ! LOL
I’ll leave her be now and go and pick some scrummy dandelions and buy an even scrummier bananaaaa… she’s eaten 2 or 3 blades of freshly cut grass I think…. I’ve certainly seen her drinking. Slowly slowly….

[Gina.Jenny]

Sounds promising

[Vienna Blue in France]

Q8 è you’re prob right but he insisted that was the utérus itself… so of course Sherlock would-be scientist took it out and had one last photo before said nasty body part went down the loo…

For size of utérus he said it should be half his little fingr nail. Even this middle bit isn’t, its more the size of a chicken’s “parson’s nose”… This whole piece was about the size of my palm.

It certanily looks like utérus in middle and 2 bbq sausages each side… a classic biography book photo – but definitely NOT normal

Second photo of her uterus – click

[Vienna Blue in France]

Seem’s I’ve found the soft spot for what she wants to nibble…… ROSES ! 

Wish I’d known this last night under the cover of the night… now I’ll have to go and subtley secater off (for the good of the bush, never rip!)  some neighbours’ roses in plain daylight….

One from each front garden shouldn’t show…

[Q8bunny]

LOL That’s hilarious!
Glad to hear Zou’s doing better.
I’m switching to my computer to post a picture of what I meant about the sausages being the uterus. I got to assist at my student’s third bun’s spay (we shared my amazing vet) and while I too think Zou’s organ was very enlarged, it looked quite similar to what came out of Sunny.

[jerseygirl]

Woah. Thursday came quickly. Im so sorry I hadn’t posted here beforehand. Sending many healing {{{VIBES}}} to the lovely Miss Zou ! You must be so relieved this is over and done with.

** I sent you a PM. In case you haven’t see that, I’m in process of putting some images back in your thread as clickable links.

[Niamian]

Hahaha this last update made me giggle so hard. Sorry Vienna and good luck with roses. ?
So so glad she is doing better now and nibbles something at least. And also glad that “thing” is out of her now. Poor darling.
Far as her eating goes it reminds me pretty much of Bianca after spay. Actually the stubbornness par also seems familiar. lol Only this one was focused on apple, lucky me. But hopefully rest will go the same and by the evening you’ll have a bunny eating up some hay and nibbling few different things on herself.
Healing vibes for ((((Lady Zouzou)))).
May the bun appetite be with you, and the Force with your mom. (By the look of it you gonna need it Vienna. ☺)

P.S. Q8 I’m so jealous of your cool vet shh…

[jerseygirl]

You’ll be relieved to know her uterus isn’t too abnormal.

Im not a vet so I couldn’t say on all abnormalities, but the too “sausages” you describe are the uterus. They have 2 uterus “horns”.The part in the middle might be the uterus stump?  **Edit: Playing catch-up, I see Q8 has already assured you. : )

So funny about roses. That’s what mine eat when in recovery mode also. Willow and all parts of roses.

Those pics of her lying their with her belly bandage…I just want to pick her up and cuddle! I know how Zou would respond to THAT. Lol

[Q8bunny]

Here you go, Vienna – hope this helps put your mind at ease a bit.
(I’m going to insert the medirabbit healthy bits pic as a link to avoid grossing anyone out.)

Gah! Now everything’s a non-clicky link. I give up. This platform hates my devices.

[Vienna Blue in France]

Thanks Q8 – I didn’t know that !

[jerseygirl]

Yeah, the medirabbit info is great. Members be warned though, it does show several images of a rabbit spey procedure.

I definitely think you made the right call in getting her spayed and so glad she had come through it well. Uterine cancer is not the only risk, there are also things like endo (as Q8 mentioned) including endo aneurysm and endo cancer, and Pyometra.

[Vienna Blue in France]

Well, like any good mummy of human or animal, I won’t be happy until she has a wee and a poop…

Yes there are heaps of reasons why a rabbit should be spayed, and of course the equivalent in humans aswell. My 70 young mum and just about every one of her friends has had a hysterectomy But we humans wait until there are signs….

[Vienna Blue in France]

O.M.G.!!  – as if she heard me type those last few sentences……

2 perfect rose-petal poops and a side serving of wee….  ta daaaaa !

So just to share (and as I’m in rare mega obsessive posting mode which won’t last long….)  – 

[Q8bunny]

Huzzah, Zou!

[Bam]

Yay, Zou! Sending her so many nose-rubs!

[Hazel]

Poor little Zou! I’m so glad you decided to have her spayed, who knows what that uterus would have turned into… I was thinking that, besides the hormones, part of the reasons her behavior changed might have been because she was in some discomfort from the state her uterus was in and because of the cysts?

That’s great she has started to eat and use her litter box! Looks like she’s recovering perfectly so far! 

[Vienna Blue in France]

Yes she nibbling slowly through the rose petals….

( I’m soooo British and so didn’t dare to cut off neighbours’ roses in broad daylight – I’ll go back tonight under the cover of the dark and when all the shutters are down !! lol )

Q8 – it was the size too, but more that the utérus was filled with blood that perturbed the vet… there shouldn’t have been any….. anyhoo.

[jerseygirl]

Does the vet normally only take out the ovaries when he/she does a rabbit spey?

[Vienna Blue in France]

Yes apparently, only ovaries, leaving the uterus to ‘shrink and wilt away’….

I thought so too, as when the vet first asked afterwards if I actually wanted the utérus out, I sort of said “durr well yer !!”… ! and then he explained that usually it’s only an ovarectomy (small incision) and the utérus “disappears” on its own.

[jerseygirl]

 Leaving the uterus leaves them at risk. Good thing you asked for full ovario-hysterectomy or he decided to do that based on what he found.

[Vienna Blue in France]

I didn’t know there was a difference !!!!! Yes he did it based on what he found !!

“Steriliser” obviously has different levels of sterilise : your cats/dogs/ remove the whole shabang !!

Who’da known…

[jerseygirl]

I didn’t know that, I thought for cats it was just ovaries. Maybe it use to be?…

There is actually a project I came across recently where they are doing a rabbit spey taking ONLY the uterus but leaving the ovaries. Im hoping to find the study but I don’t think it has be published yet.

[Bam]

Jersey, I remember last year you wrote about this new method, removing only the ovaries, leaving the uterus. I was planning to ask my vet about it when I took Yohio in for his dental in Nov, but he didn’t present with dental issues until just recently, so we never went in November and after that it just fell right out of my head =/ I remember we discussed it here because uterine problems in bunnies would perhaps not occur if the gonads were removed. But it still seemed a bit unsafe.

That’d of course only be good for rabbits that haven’t yet developed an issue, like Zou had i e very young females that get spayed soon after puberty.

I’d never dare cut off a neightbour’s roses in broad daylight. But I have a friend who had that happen, a stranger just drove up to her house, went in her front garden and cut himself a whole bouquet of roses. She was home alone so she didn’t dare go out and say anything. The man just drove off with the roses, like it was a perfectly normal thing to do =/ I would cut off the odd rose at night though if I’d a poorly bun that needed them.

[jerseygirl]

Jersey, I remember last year you wrote about this new method, removing only the ovaries, leaving the uterus.

I did???! I really don’t remember. I came across this in past 2 weeks and it didn’t ring any bells…

btw, if a neighbours plants are hanging over your side of the fence, you’re allowed to trim off what you like, right? 

[Bam]

I’ll see if I can find the discussion tomorrow

How’s Zou doing now?

[Vienna Blue in France]

I’m wondering if anyone’s had any luck administering metacam in food or mashed up….? I’d prefer not to go down the force-feeding route. She’s eating well and it would be a shame to make me her enemy….

Bam thanks for asking. She’s eating dandelion leaves and rose petals heartily and, without knowing it, has made me very proud with her poops.

[Q8bunny]

Buns usually like metacam because it tastes a bit like honey. (Ask me how I know. )
Is Zou refusing the filled syringe when presented for sniffing?

[Vienna Blue in France]

It’s certainly got a strong smell…
Well yesterday (first time) she was very jumpy and when I showed it to her eye, then put it to her mouth she jumped not expecting it !!
I tried by itself, she had a goooood sniff but decided against it…
I’ve tried with chopped banana on a plate – she ate half an not the other half – I wonder if she wasn’t hungry enough…. so I’ve removed all scrummy stuff from cage except for hay, and will present another chopped bit later… so hopefully she’ll be hungry enough and jump on it!

[Q8bunny]

With Chewie all I had to do was dip the syringe in the vial for a dose, put it in front of his nose to sniff the drippy bits on the syringe, and he practically pounced on it and lapped it right up. Obviously Zou is a more refined bun, and knows medicine when she smells it.

[Vienna Blue in France]

Yes and I don’t quite know what to do, she’s ‘on to’ the smell now, so no banana or shreddie (breakfast cereal) can disguise it…. so I tried holding her down (in the cage) and she kicked out… too strong… and now is ‘on to’ me too….

So, metacam…. how important it is ? If she is eating, drinking and pooping….? Because I cannot get it down her.
Surely she’ll go more quiet if she’s suffering… but she doesn’t seem to be at the moment….

[Vienna Blue in France]

Also wonder when I could put her cage on floor so she can get out when I’m around and put her back in at night ?
No jumping up and down obviously, but maybe just moving around on the flat is OK?

[Bam]

Pain can lead to loss of appetite and to chewing at stitches, that’s why Metacam is considered important. If you don’t believe she is in pain and if she’s eating and never-minding her incision, skip the Metacam. If she deteriorates without the Metacam get her back on it.
I think you can let her have a bit of play-time tomorrow if she seems up for it, no jumping or climbing of course and strict supervision – but exercise helps the tummy + and it disperses boredom.

[Vienna Blue in France]

I think playtime would be good too…..

[Q8bunny]

Crazy thought here, but if she’s on to the Metacam scent, how about masking it with a drop or three of real honey? Chewie hated his antibiotics and I’d mix them with a smidge of plain yogurt and a few drops of honey and he’d gobble it right up. But he is a boy… And we all know that boys will put almost anything in their mouths.

[Bam]

My Yohio hates metacam. Bam has never needed any. I don’t know if they perhaps add sth tasty to it in some parts of the world, the type I get is for cats and cats are not very interested in sweet things I’ve been told so maybe it’s not sweetened here? Adding a drop of honey could help =) Or rose petal jam. She seems to be into roses. 

Jersey btw, here’s the thread about laparoscopic ovariectomy you started Sept 30 2015: laparoscopic ovariectomy

[jerseygirl]

Thanks, bam. I remember now. I’m still pretty wary of that, as the uterus is left in. The newer project I learnt of is the other way around. So just hysterectomy I guess.

[Vienna Blue in France]

OK so its been out-of-cage time this arvo and whilst I went to get something from other side of the room I heard boing and a metal cage noise and she’s only gone and boigned up into her cage which was on a coffee table height…!!!! So much for the supervised playing ooops

But rest of the evening has been in ktichen boinging to and fro…. doesn’t seem to be suffering and she even periscoping and flopping which is a good sign….
I haven’t managed to fool her with any different metacam tricks…. you can see her sniffing it and turning her nose away !

Her nose has re-discovered the wallpaper (!) in the only bit she can get at.. though there’s not much left.. ggggrrrrrrr

I got a photo of her periscoping and I can’t quite work out if the line I can see on her shaved belly is the scar (already??!!) or if all rabbits have a line down the belly (where they join up as an embryo…??!!?? a bit like where our hairs meet in the middle at the belly button equator !! LOL)

[Vienna Blue in France]

Beware to our young members – nudity scènes in this post  LOL)……… this is a so-called “invalid bunny” periscoping….

Surely that line can’t be her scar after only 4 days…..? Can it ?

I’m very impressed the bandage is still on !! – She had a nibble and tug yesterday but I cut off the sticky outy strands and today it is still in place!

And then her travel cage litter tray which is a tad small for her now (LOL) but she WILL fit in it, bless her !! (and there’s no overshooting !)

And then her reaction when I show her the metacam :  she gets excited thinking it’s a treat and then in one swift choreographied action, sniffs and turns her back to me !! 

[Gina.Jenny]

maybe they used glue instead of stitches?

[Q8bunny]

LOL Her bandage in that last photo looks like one of those tiny monkey vests.

Maybe your bun has superpowers and heals overnight? It would explain her agility sans Metacam.

[Vienna Blue in France]

Yeeees. She’s a bit of a power bun…in all senses of the term…..

[Vienna Blue in France]

Funny, she hasn’t touched a carrot since the op. And used to be her fave…. maybe her taste buds were in her uterus…. .

Happy Ramadan! to those who are Ramadameuses !!! (Lol…. my own made up word!!!!)

[Q8bunny]

Ramadan Kareem right back at you (I don’t celebrate it, but I try to not have anything but a bit of water during this month as a show of solidarity).

[Bam]

Carrots can be hard on the tummy, maybe she knows by instinct. Eating roses is way more sophisticated and lady-like that eating root veg, of course.
They must’ve glued the outer incision, but it still does look amazing. Molly Varga (British vet and authour of the new edition of the Textbook of Rabbit Medicine) says it takes 2 weeks for a girl bun to heal from a spay, so don’t let Zou the Zouperbun trick you into believing sth else.

[Vienna Blue in France]

The day I posted that she hadn’t pooped post-op yet she pooped as I wrote, and today the carrot has disappeared !!!!

“Hmmm (she says subtly looking away from bun corner, but keeping one eye open on bun) I JUST DON’T know if Zou is capable of telling me the winning lottery numbers!!…..”
(That’s planted that seed **rubs hands together** ! Now I’ll try and decode the number of poops between now and the next lotto, and maybe just maybe I’ll win something… yeah right !!)

TWO weeks…. hmmmm…. I have seen the scar now (I had a sneaky peak under the bandage at doze time!) which ressembles what a scar should look like ! (The line on the photo must just be a of normal skin appearance…. )

The scar looks healthy and not red or raw.

[Bam]

So glad to hear it! Poop, carrot gone and normal scar Tell her to keep that up!

[LBJ10]

So glad to hear everything went well! Now you just have to wait to see how she reacts to the hormone change.

[Vienna Blue in France]

Yes indeedie wait and see for hormones…. she still seems to boing quite rapidly (enthusiastically?/agressively?) after cat and towards me, but it’s without the grunting…. so maybe it’s more enthusiam than agression. lol
How long do you think it takes to see a difference, if any?

[Bam]

With a girl it can take 6 months and in some cases even longer, although more commonly it takes one to a couple of months. There’s also the possibility of a post spay craze. Neither of my buns had any signs of post-neuter craze, in Bam’s case, his hormonally driven infatuation with my dog tapered out and ended quietly after about 2 weeks. He was fully adult when he was neutered, at least Zou’s age, possibly older.

She must be feeling so relieved! If her behavioral irregularities were caused by her feeling uncomfortable due to the (probable) endometriosis, you’ll of course see improvement sooner. If it was all about hormones, it can take longer.

[Vienna Blue in France]

I think at this mo in time she’ll just be happy to get the bandage fashion accessory off her waist !!

[Vienna Blue in France]

However – whilst on poop patrol I am noticing she has lots of double poops, not nice circular ball bearings like before, but extra long oval ones like 2 which have not been divided. Could this be temporary do you think or could she have acquired a separate issue ?

[Q8bunny]

It may just be because her usual digestive processes were disrupted by the spay…

[FloppyBunny]

My boy had those types of poops after his neuter, but they went back to normal once he fully recovered.

[Bam]

Poop like that, “doubles” and “necklace poop”, is more or less standard after a spay. It’s due to a gut slowdown. If she’s eating (esp hay!) and drinking and moving around, it should return to normal just as FloppyBunny says. If it doesn’t, contact your vet, (obviously). There are motility-enhancing meds that a bun can get to “kick-start” the intestines.

[Vienna Blue in France]

Back to the vets tomorrow to have stitches out and bandage OFF !!!
(I won’t find Zou anymore without her ‘I’m-a-pretend-black-and-white-dutch-rabbit” white band on around her belly !

Calming vibes for Zou so she doesn’t flip out when the sticky bandage is unstuck – ouch…

(PS : 10 out of 10 to mr Vet for the bandage installation! It’s held out 2 whole weeks without unsticking or being chewed on…)

[Gina.Jenny]

lots of calming vibes (((Zou)))

[Q8bunny]

(((Unsticky vibes, Zou my boo.)))

[Vienna Blue in France]

We’re back and she was a star !!!! But golly she’s slippery !! LOL
I was behind her and picked her up by her front paws – VERY snugly – and brought her head up to my chest so she was ‘blocked’ by all directions and couldn’t move, but with her legs bent (and ready to spring!) her tummy wasn’t exposed enough for the vet to get to her stitches… so I had to lift her up higher so her back legs were stretched (paws still on table). I was in a very strange position trying not to hurt her and trying not put my back out !
So my hands were under her ‘armpits’ (with thumbs around the back of her neck), but her weight, bless her, was making her slip through my hands, one tiny millimetre at a time…. LOL. Her face disappeared in the fluff of her dewlap, she looked like a cabbage patch doll bunny… LOL

She kicked out once, and I superfast out her back down, but that must have been because she felt herself slipping. So we had one downtime, and then repeated and she did not fight, bless.

To get her back in the cage I placed her top half in the cage and her bum and one hind leg followed but the other hind leg stuck out…. LOL So funny!

Anyhoo – a 100% slate blue bunny is back in the house (imposter!!) and has flopped – as will I do with a cuppa before I hit the housework (potential lodger coming this w-e, and the house is REALLY not presentable !! LOL)

[Q8bunny]

Well done, my friend and Zou!

[Vienna Blue in France]

I have a happy bunny who is now boinging around outside and not confined to her indoors cage!

But silly sausage, she’s forgetten what her outdoors lime green litter tray (see avatar photo) is for and ‘holds’ herself until I let her in….. she rushes in and sprints into the indoor (temporary) cage and “lets go” in the small travel tray !! So this morning, I’ve had hands in wee and poo, tearing off strips of soiled newspaper and placing it and poops in the lime green tray. Silly deprogrammed bunny!

[Bam]

Naaaw, deprogrammed bunny! She must be so happy to get to be outside again though =)

[Gina.Jenny]

aww happy Zou

[Q8bunny]

Yay Zoo boo!

[Vienna Blue in France]

bam – not really – it hasn’t stopped raining !! And instead of coming back Inside, she prefers to stay up on her top floor looking in at me through the window !!
Silly sausage !

[LBJ10]

I love your description of her slipping throughout your arms! I can just imagine how she must have looked!

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