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Forum HOUSE RABBIT Q & A not eating not pooping… possibly parasites…plz help

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    • Bahar
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        i guess my bunnies are having some serious issues… they are being ill one after another. Happy is ill now…

        he played… ran…ate… and did his usual stuffs…and was perfectly fine… i put one of them in cage every night as if both of them are free at night i will have no sleep, they would climb up my bed and start digging my blanket,peeing on me and other weird things… so yesterday it was happy’s turn to be in the cage. when i got up in the morning his plate was full, he had not eaten or pooped the whole night which is so not him as he is a massive eater. i cheched his stomach, it was normal,there were no loud sounds or no bloating,i tried to give him some veggies but he didnt take any, he was silent and looked weak. i thought it was some gas problem so gave hime a dose of ranitidine and simethicone. i repeated the dose of simethicone after every 3 hours. he still didnt eat and he hasnt eaten till now. only he has pooped some a few minutes ago. the poopes were a littleee bit sticky and softer than normal but only a little bit. i syringe fed him some mashed pellets… 

        what could cause this??? is there any chance that he has some parasites in him or its something else!!! i checked his poo. there i noticed some white tiny thing but not sure if they are formed from the pellets or they are some kind of worm… whatever that is it never moves. never.i tried to break the poo and see inside( i know its gross but its my babay so i dont mind) and there were no moving thing there… 

        so could it be worm that is causing all this… m so tensed and confused… and also what should i do how should i treat him…( there is no good of going to the vet as he doesnt care… doesnt know anything about rabbits and just blabbers around i called him and he said happy will be fine all by himself…!!!!) plz help plz…


      • Bahar
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          also he peed just now and the smell is bad. real bad. its so unusual and different.


        • Bam
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            I think what you’ve done so far is excellent, hopefully this is nothing serious, but please keep up the gentle massages, the syringe-feeding (make the pellet-slurry or what it is you feed him runny so he gets some fluids in him) if he doesn’t start eating on his own and the ranitidine once per 24 hours. You can syringe him some water but super-super carefully, make sure he swallows properly, it’s very dangerous for a bun to breathe water into its lungs. The bad smell from the pee could be that the pee is very concentrated, if he hasn’t been drinking a lot.

            If he has parasites you will need an anti-parasitic medicin. I know that our other Indian member’s bunny has gotten Ivermectin, but it was given by her vet, in an injection. It’s a bunny-safe medicine though and it’s very effective against many types of parasites, both inside the body and those that live on the skin. I do think it’s available in India, because it’s a medicine that humans take against parasites and it’s very good. I don’t know if it is prescription only though.

            If he has a bad bacteria in his tummy, he might need an antibiotic, the same type you got for Hami.

            (((((Happy)))))


          • Bahar
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              okk… m too worried… he just drank some water… but still isn’t eating anything. will zentel work on parasites?


            • Bam
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                Zentel is albendazole, you can use that for short-term treatment of bunnies. It kills many worms. Make sure you calculate the dosage in relation to his body weight.


              • Bahar
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                  bam i bought piperazine citrate in a case of worms or any other parasites… what should be its dosage? and he has not eaten still !!! should i give piperazine or zentel? which is better and what should be the dosage… plz help


                • Bahar
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                    and also he is not eating but is drinking water and that is so unlike him as he never drinks water, just tosses the bowl always but is now drinking water and only water


                  • Bam
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                      poor darling. I’ll try and find the dosage. Keep him warm. Drinking lots of water could mean bad bacteria, he would then need a medicin called cholestyramine (questran) that binds toxins in the gut. Are you sure your vet wouldn’t be willing to try and treat him?


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                        As for the piperazine, medirabbit gives different dosages depending on if its piperazine adipate or piperazine citrate:

                        Piperazine adipate
                        500 mg/kg
                        By mouth
                        once every 24 h during 2 days

                        Piperazine citrate
                        200 mg/kg
                        By mouth
                        Repeated after 10-14 days

                        Medirabbit also lists albendazole (Zentel) as safe:

                        Albendazole
                        10 mg/kg
                        By mouth
                        Repeated after 10-14 days, depending on the parasite

                        Poor darling. Don’t let him drink way too much, that’s dangerous too since it dilutes the blood and can cause brain edema, like when athletes drink too much during a long race.


                      • Bahar
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                          yaa i called him and he is like.. it happenes.. he will be okk…
                          should i get that medicine cholystaramine?? is it available in india?


                        • Bahar
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                            should i continue with the simethicone and ranitidine dosage??


                          • Bahar
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                              or just give piperazine


                            • Bam
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                                The simethicone is against gas, so I don’t think it’ll help with this. How does his poop look? Are there any round poops at all?


                              • Bahar
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                                  yes there is round poop but these are a bit sticky than the usual ones. and the pee is stinking. also he has not pooped a lot, only few…


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                                    i gave him 1.5 ml of piperazine citrate and also he ate a leaf of broccoli… but is looking so weary and pale. he is very inactive. should i get the other medicine that u suggested??


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                                      I don’t know if cholestyramine is over-the-counter in India, it’s prescription only here. It’s a medicine for humans with high cholesterol. A vet would probably have to prescribe it for you. I’m so glad he has some normal poop and that he’s eaten a leaf. He really must eat, if he won’t you’ll have to syringe feed him. He probably has a bit too low body temp, so keep him warm. Their metabolism slows down when they get sick, that makes them lethargic. It seems like you’re doing what you can do.


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                                        you know happy is sitting and laying on the cold floor instead of the warm mat. i am putting the mats wherever he is sitting but it seems he is more comfortable on the cold area…is this weird??


                                      • Bam
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                                          It’s not really weird, they sometimes do that when they are feeling very un-well. Does he feel cold to the touch? Would he sit in your lap? I’d think that’d be the best place for him, your lap.


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                                            he is hiding in their play box. i tried to takebhim out but i think he is not comfortable. bam i will see if i get the medicine in the evening that u told me . can u plz tell me the dose


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                                              one more question… will the medicine have any side effect if it isn’t the bad bacteria that is troubling him . as we are just guessing that by seeing the signs… will the medicine be safe even if we are wrong??


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                                                I will try and find out.


                                              • Bahar
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                                                  bam i took him in my arms and his tummy sounded like its full of water!!! what should i do


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                                                    I found an old study from 1992, where cholestyramine was used on rabbits that had overgrowth of bad bacteria in their intestines. Has Happy had any antibiotics?

                                                    The rabbits in the study weighed 2,5-3,8 kilos and were given 2 g of cholestyramine in 20 ml water for 18-21 days. This was very successful, none of the treated rabbits died. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1548840

                                                    This study is mentioned here http://wildpro.twycrosszoo.org/S/00Chem/ChComplex/Cholestyramine.htm the year 2012, so the findings in the study seems to be unchallenged and still good.

                                                    So, 2 g in 20 ml water/24 hours given gently by syringe for two weeks should be appropriate. Another dosage that’s mentioned is 500 mg cholestyramine per kilo body weight per 12 hours.


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                                                      no happy didnt have any antibiotic lately… he had some at the time when i got him but not recently. so should i give the med? and also 2g in 20 ml water… is that supposed to be given at a time per day for 18 days??? as that is a huge quantity and he really dislikes medicines… or can i just give the other dose that is 500mg per kilo? both would work and have same effect right?


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                                                        and also why do u think the sound of water is coming from his tummy??? sorry for asking so many things at a time!!


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                                                          If his tummy sounds like t has water in it, it is not good. If you can get cholestyramine you need to do it now.

                                                          The cholestyramine still needs to be given for 14 days to absorb all toxins.

                                                          I so wish a vet could help you. He absolutely needs vet care.


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                                                            he is all stretched out and is laying on the bed. i will get the medicine as soon as i can.he groomed himself a bit.


                                                          • Bam
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                                                              it’s good that he’s grooming himself. You are taking very good care of him.


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                                                                bam i called the vet once again and he told me to go to medicine shop and he would then tell me some names of medicines and he wants me to buy those. he said those meds would make happy poop. i asked him if i can go to him so that he could check happy better. but he refused. he is saying happy will be better and will poop by the medicines he is gonna prescribe. m not covinced and am doubtful!! what do u think


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                                                                  I think you should do as the vet says and buy meds for him, because Happy is seriously ill now and there’s very little else you can do.


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                                                                    you were not rplying so i bought the meds that the vet told me to and he gave one syrup and a tablet. i already fed happy the syrup and i will give the tablet in few minutes. he ate by himself(a little bit though) .i will let you know the name and components of the medicine.


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                                                                      I think that was a very wise choice, bahar.


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                                                                        happy peed twice and the pee was a bit reddish… he ate by himseld and played a little… hope to see him jumping and running around like his normal self soon..


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                                                                          Reddish pee is quite normal for a bunny, their pee can have lots of different colors.
                                                                          It makes me very happy to hear that he ate by himself and even played a little. Keep up the good work, bahar, you’re a great bunny mommy!


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                                                                            happy has been eating through the night but not as much as he would…. he is playing now with hami…


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                                                                              So great to hear!!!

                                                                              It’s normal for it to take some time, often more than a week, before he recovers completely after a bout like this. So keep giving him the medicine the vet prescribed and hopefully you’ll see gradual progress.

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