hami is ill… plz help.

[Bahar]

I just got my 2nd bun Happy a few months back. I already had Hami. they both play together and got along really well and fast except a bit of humping…

everything was fine until tomorrow… suddenly at night I noticed Hami was sitting in a awkward position as if he was trying to poop. when I hld him up I noticed his tail was full of mushy poop. he has always been a mushy pooper no mater how I change his died. give him meda he has to have mushy stools. but yesterday it was different. he was having pain it seemed. his stomach was empty, so I offered him food but he didn’t have any. he was not moving not eating, just was sitting in that position. I then held him up massaged his tummy and took him to bed with me as he was shivering. I tried to give him a blanket but he threw it away.

in the morning I gave him a hot water bottle but he refused that too and ran away. he has not waten much except of some chockpea, he hasn’t even pooped much. and there is no regular poop only the mushy ones. and its like he is not even pooping them intentionally, they are just coming out by themselves and  so his tail and butt is full of poop. I cleared them though.

I called my vet, but sadly he is out of town. and even if he was in town it would have had no difference as these vets here are not so expert.

so I did some research and bought some medicines. they are… DECOLIC(paediatric drops of dicyclomic, hydrochloride and simethicone), O2(ofloxacin, ornidazole), ZYMOPET(alpha amylase, papain,cinnamon oil, cardamom oil, caraway oil, dill oil, fennel oil)

 what should I do now to make him feel better and how should I feed the meds?

and also I am syringe feeding him water as suggested by Bam.

thanks.

[Bam]

Don’t give the Decolic, it’s a med that slows down the intestinal movement. It’s the opposite of what a bunny needs.

Will write more when I’ve read more. Just don’t feed the dicolic for now. Plain simethicone is fine. He can have 0,5 – 1 ml of normal baby strenght liquid simethicone.

[Bam]

Regarding the Zymopet, another Indian member here has given that to her bun, prescribed by a vet, and her bun seemed to get better. I also found a post she’d made to Dana Krempels, a well-renowned bunny-expert, and Dana Krempels at least didn’t warn against the Zymopet. That member also gave Digyton and Livjivan.

I’d not give the ofloxacin – it’s not on Medirabbit’s bunny-safe antibiotics-list, plus it’s an antibiotic and that can make tummy-trouble worse since it kills both the good and the bad bacteria in the gut. A bunny tummy is really dependant on good gut bacteria for its health. I don’t really think an antibiotic would help against this problem anyway.

It’s important that you keep him warm. Bunnies tend to get cold when they are sick, and that makes them sicker. Sit him in your knee if you can, put a light fleece (or equivalent) blankie on him or just keep him warm with your own body heat.

This is a very good article on GI stasis in rabbits, please read. But nevermind the part about giving an enema, you shouldn’t try that at home.
http://www.bio.miami.edu/hare/ileus.html

[Bahar]

but bam I have already given him the decolic.
and I called my vet and he asked me to give Hami O2. so I gave one dose… what do I do now

[Bahar]

were digiyton and livjivan prescribed by dana krempels? should I get them

[Bahar]

Hami is unusually quite and is still shivering. I put a warm blanket on him and he is resting there. m really worried.

[Bam]

Yes, it is really, really worrisome. It would be great if he could see a vet and get some sub-q fluids. Keep keeping him warm. Keep doing little massages but gently.

Digiton and Livjivan was prescribed by that member’s New Delhi-vet, but Dana Krempels at least didn’t advice against any of them, and the bunny did get better.

Try and get some ranitidine. It will cancel out the effect of the Decolic. Other gut motility drugs are cisapride and metclopramide, but I don’t think theyre over-the-counter.

[Bahar]

should I get infant simethicone if it is available here??

[Bam]

Yes. That’s what is generally used with bunnies.

[Bahar]

I fed him the ranitidine just now.he is grooming himself and he also rubbed his chin on my laptop just now.

[Bahar]

should I feed him cabbage and chickpea now coz he wont eat other stuffs.what should be his diet now???

[Bam]

Fresh wet leafy greens would be best, but give him what he wants if he wants to eat. It’s good if he wants to eat. If he’ll eat freshly rinsed (wet) cabbage, that’s even better because that’d give him extra water. 

[Bahar]

i got a simethicon oral suspention for infants named DIMOL DROPS.should i give it to him? and thw ranitidine? shal i stop it or continue? as it kinda worked i think

[Bam]

You can give infant simethicone 1-0,5 ml every hour for the first three hour, then give a smaller dose (0,5 ml) every 2-3 hours.

The ranitidin should be given once a day, you can give another dose same time tomorrow if he’s still having problems.

Keeping my fingers crossed for him here!

[Bahar]

he is better now I think as he just chased happy… and this is the first time I am being happy about it…
can I give the dose of simethicone tonight?? and the components of this oral suspension is activated dimethicone. is it okay?? sorry for asking so many questions

[Bahar]

and I didn’t get the dosage right. is it 1 ml every hour for the first 3 hour and then half ml every 2 or 3 hours?

[Bam]

Ask as many questions as you need to. Simethicone can be given often, 1 ml every hour for the first 3 hours, then .5 every 2-3 hours until you see improvement.
There really seems to be improvement now if he’s chasing Happy! Now you need to keep an eye so he poops like he should, normal size and amiunt of poop etc.

[Bahar]

he is having mushy poops even now but he is active now and is eating. he ate cabbage and chickpea. I am also giving the dose of zymopet and then I will simethicone. and did u read the component of the medicine??

[Bam]

Simethicone and activated dimeticone are to my understanding two names for the same thing.

[Bam]

The mushy poop can persist for a while, but it’s not super-worrisome as long as he has some regular, round poop as well.

[Bahar]

he has no regular poop till now but m hoping to see them soon:p

[Bam]

I hope you will too!! It’s not good that there’s no solid poop. He needs hay, but I’m guessing he’s not to keen on hay right now. You can mash up some pellets with water and feed the mash in a syring. I’m not sure if I remember correctly, but I think you have Science Selective pellets? They are very good because they have a high fiber-content and his tummy need fiber.

Our other Indian member also gave Anima-Strath to her bun, it has a probiotic ( brewer’s yeast) that f ex my own vet recommends for unbalanced bunny tummies. It helps stop bad bacteria from colonizing the intestines.

[Bahar]

science selective pellets? I dont know!!
by the way Hami is better today. he had some semi normal poops. he ate and played as well. but is resting most of the times.

[Bam]

That sounds good, bahar! You can mash any kind rabbit pellets you have with water and syringe-feed it if he won’t eat. But it’s of course best if he eats on his own, practically anything that he wants to eat is good.

[Bahar]

yaa he is eating by himself,he is running after Happy, he is almost his normal self now… he is having mushy poops with regular ones…

[Bam]

That is so good to hear!!!! It can take a while (in bad cases actually several months) for the tummy to right itself completely after an episode like this, but as long as there are regular poop and not just mushy poop, you can try and adjust his diet to get rid of the mushiness. It’s about the microbial balance in his gut, he needs lots of fiber to get it right. Try to entice him to eat lots of hay. Hay is very important. Unfortunately many bunnies find other food yummier =/

I love that he’s chasing Happy! (I hope Happy loves it too.)

[Bahar]

bam I just noticed some sticky gel like potty. is it the effect of the medicines? yesterday I gave him simethicone every 3 hours. and zymopet 3 times. should I continue with the meds even today??

[Bam]

Sticky gel-like potty can mean he needs more of the antibiotic, could you call your vet and ask? It could also just be mucus that his intestines are producing as protection because there’s irritation to the intestinal wall. What color is the gel?
Simethicone is safe to give, but it won’t do much good for gel-like poop. Zymopet is not available here so I don’t know anything about it except that it seemed to help our other Indian member’s bunny. I wish I could say sth more about it, but I can’t find a lot of info about it, it’s basically a medicine against gas.

[Bahar]

ok.. I really have no idea what to do. but I will call the vet and lets see then.

[Bahar]

hami is fine now…
this is the heavenly place for any help regarding bunnies. thank u bam.
and I didn’t have to call the vet as the gel like poop stopped by itself…

[Bam]

Oh, I’m SO glad bahar!!!

Great news!!! Yay!!!

[LittlePuffyTail]

Glad to hear he is better!

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