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Forum HOUSE RABBIT Q & A Smokey’s Face is Wet

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    • SmokeyBunnyRobinson
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        So I have been using a water dish for Smokey for about half a year now since she prefers it (she also has a bottle hanging too) and today when I came home I noticed her entire one side completely soaked. I mean like drenched. She hates being brushed so I dried her off the best I could but it’s still very wet. I was checking it out and it looks like under her chin where the skin is wet too it looks kind of yellow. I don’t see any other part of her that is dry where her skin looks like that. 

        She doesn’t have any teeth issues, eats completely fine (she’s a hay monster actually) and is acting normal. I’m just wondering if she fell into the dish and got wet. I took the dish away so now she just has the bottle.

        I’m just concerned because I don’t like that she’s so wet. And that her skin looks weird. There aren’t any open wounds or anything. I don’t know, maybe I’m being paranoid. She is going to be 7 this year and I just feel like I’m scared over everything.


      • BB & Tiny
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          Oh my what a cutie she is !!

          I can’t say I’ve had this happen but perhaps others would have some insight.


        • Bam
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            Is she moving about normally now? I’m just thinking if she fell into the bowl, what could have caused her to fall. Does she hold her head straight i e no sign of head tilt? An ear-infection can cause a bunny to loose her balance.

            If she’s used to drinking from a bowl, I don’t think you should remove it, maybe pour less water in it instead and refill often, if she’s a big hay-eater she needs water and maybe she won’t want to bother with the bottle. Just so she doesn’t get a tummy issue from not drinking enough.

            Does she look ok otherwise? Normal face, no drooping eyelid/cheek, no muscular weakness on one side, no wobbliness when she moves around? Does she hold her head straight, ie not leaning to one side? I’m just trying to rule out a stroke or other neuro issue which doesn’t seem very likely but you can check anyway, just to rule it out. How does her eye on the wet side look?

            If she’s acting normal, hops about and eats, drinks and poops, I think what you can do is dry her like you have done and check on her to see if the wetness returns, if her eye is leaky and causing the wetness or if she’s drooling, then you can call your vet on Monday. If she starts falling over etc, it’s more likely an ear or neuro thing but if you see that, then you know sth is really wrong and you can take her in.

            All bunny-mommies “over-react”. It’s like what we do. I don’t mean to scare you here, I hope you understand that. Just trying to give you a small check-list of things to watch for. Hopefully this is nothing.

            Btw, totally agree with BunLuv. She sure is a cutie!


          • Q8bunny
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              Does she have a ball she plays with? My Chewie will sometimes tackle his small beach ball and “surfs” it on him tummy until he pitches headfirst into his water dish. lol Then he looks like a spiky-furred hedgehog until he grooms himself dry.


            • jerseygirl
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                When the eye is leaking but can leave the face very wet. I’d take some pictures and pop in to see the vet for your own peace of mind.

                Btw, they can still eat certain foods (even hay) like a pro and still have dental issues. My rabbit that had a jaw abscess had no problem with eating.

                Another possibility is she had a choking episode and coughed a lot of saliva up. I’m sorry if I’ve freaked you out . Just best to get her checked out.


              • lorree
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                  Is it hot where u are?

                  This might sound funny but my rabbit literally runs up to her water bowl when it’s hot and flops into it. Leaving her whole arm, “puffy shoulder”, side and face wet. She seems to do it for fun and will even turn around and do the other side lol
                  Maybe your rabbit has discovered this idea too. Which would be cool cos then it’s not a problem.

                  Otherwise hopefully she may have just fallen in the bowl.

                  I hope it’s nothing serious


                • Cottontail
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                    Is she an only bun? I had a head-soaked Tilly the other day just to discover that Duncan had drenched his “dudelap” in his water bowl and then rested his head on top of Tillys, effectively using her as a towel. She didn’t seem to mind but her head was quite damp… especially since she gets her dewlap wet when she drinks anyway.

                    Also, I would check the level of the water bottle… I’ve had small pets stick their heads and butts against the end of the bottle before and really soak themselves while they slept. It was a big problem with our one guinea pig some years back, and we were constantly having to dry him off.


                  • SmokeyBunnyRobinson
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                      She has gotten herself wet before because she likes it, but never to this degree. I mean she is soaked! She doesn’t have a head tilt and is acting totally normal. If anything she is super annoyed with me because I keep trying to dry her off. She has no issues jumping the different levels of her cage, and it’s not coming from her eye at all. It was still wet this morning when I left for work, but she greeted me like normal when I woke up.

                      We are down in a basement so it doesn’t get too hot. But she is notorious for getting her feet and chest wet because she likes it. But it’s never been like this before.

                      She has full control of her face. Everything is moving right and nothing is drooping. It’s not like a drool kind of wet. I’m talking soaked. I’m going to try to attack pictures via mobile that I took last night.


                    • Sr. Melangell
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                        My Olly stands in his water bowl and gives himself a wash, has Smokey been washing her face, rabbits like to be clean, any bit of dirt and they will do anything to remove it, some bunnies love water, if I forget Olly’s litter tray he will throw it across his cage or if I open his door he will throw it out and then wash his paws, he will wash his paws after using his tray, straight to the water bowl he goes, he also washes toys too, one day he fell asleep in his water bowl, I give him less water now so he doesn’t drown.


                      • Sr. Melangell
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                          Oh and I forgot to say Olly is allergic to a lot of things, like some hay and his eyes will run and it looks like he has been crying.


                        • SmokeyBunnyRobinson
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                            When she’s drinking from the bottle, she’s dripping it on herself, I just watched it. Which is why 24hr later the hair is still wet. It also smells weird. This is so weird. It’s freaking me out. She’s still acting totally normal, and ate all of the hay I gave her before I left. I’m so baffled at this new behavior. I’m going to sit her on my lap with an old towel and try to dry as much as I can.

                            Has anyone used a hair dryer before on a low cool setting? I think she would get scared though. i don’t know what else to do.


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                              I’ve used a hairdryer on the boys before on a very low setting. They are quite low stress though and accept a carrot as trade for almost anything (to the point where they seem happy at the vets because they know I have a pocket full of food – the vet thinks I am very whipped). Last time I had to hair dryer the bunnies it was because the vet told me to wash off the dye from their neuter because it had been months and they are soooo lazy with the cleaning down there. I got bored of being accused of spray painting them.

                              The only other way I’ve found of drying them is by putting a towel in the way of the hay so they have to rub themselves to get to it. They’re quite boisterous so I’ve experienced soggy bunny before and I find they don’t smell great if they don’t dry off.

                              Can’t suggest any reasons why this behaviour would have appeared, but can tell you that they do tend to develop a smell like they’re a bit musty and wet mammally if they remain wet – so if the smell is a bit like musty wet dog, then this is normal for a wet mammal.


                            • lorree
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                                After looking at the photo, wow she is soaked. I was worried and gonna say respiratory or teeth problems but I’m glad u figured out what is happening

                                Maybe u should just go back to the bowl now instead. And keep trying to towel dry her.
                                I think a hair dryer would be too scary.

                                I don’t know why she’d suddenly start doing this though. Perhaps it’s still worth getting her teeth and mouth checked out incase there’s anything painful going on there


                              • SmokeyBunnyRobinson
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                                  I was able to trade carrot chips in return for the dryer and she didn’t really seem to care, so that was good. But after I got it all dry she’s wet again this morning. I don’t know.

                                  Let’s say she randomly grew a molar spur after never having dental issues. What does this entail? Unfortunately, I do not have the funds for $1,000’s of medical things. I did that with a $3,000 bill with my chinchilla and I now have no credit. So if this is a huge ongoing thing, especially with poor Butterscotch’s ear infection, I don’t know what I’m going to do. To walk into my vet’s is $55 plus everything else. I’m so nervous. Plus, she’s an almost 7 year old dwarf and I do not want to stress her out if I have to have her get surgery and stuff. i don’t know. I feel very helpless because right now in life I do not have the funds to be spending hundreds of dollars.


                                • SmokeyBunnyRobinson
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                                    Ugh just tried to get the two of them an appointment and they are basically booked until next week. Looks like I’m out of luck for right now. My poor babies


                                  • lorree
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                                      They can have a look at her back teeth with an otoscope at the least. Which can be done easily whilst ur there. If they think somethings wrong and wanna take an X-ray or do some teeth trimming then that will cost more. But I don’t think it would be in the thousands of dollars. But I don’t know ur vet.

                                      She would have to be anesthetized to do X-rays or trimming etc so yeah there is always the risk with anesthetic

                                      I feel for u. I hope it all turns out ok


                                    • SmokeyBunnyRobinson
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                                        I was just doing some research and not only are Netherlands prone to spurs, but so are aging buns due to bone density loss. So it’s very possible. 

                                        Anyone here get their buns teeth filed? What am I looking ballpark for a filing? I have a VERY experienced rabbit vet who has known Smokey for years so I’m not concerned with that and I know a lot of offices do a twilight gas now. But my vet doesn’t do payment plans so I’m just trying to see what I can expect price-wise.

                                        Plus I have Butterscotch’s ear infection treatment, too. Maybe my vet will be super nice to me and cut me a deal. Like a 2 for 1 haha


                                      • BB & Tiny
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                                          I believe Bam has had her bunny’s teeth burred previously.


                                        • Bam
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                                            I’ve had Yohio’s teeth burred twice 6 months apart. It cost the equivalent of 60 US dollars both times. I’ve read of others here having payed about the same amount in the USA, but prices do vary a lot between different states, areas and clinics. Yohio were anasthetized both times. No x-rays were needed since there was no suspicion of abscesses, no involvement of eyes, just spurs. Then I got a prescription for Metacam, a rather big bottle for like 20 dollars.

                                            If they do detect spurs/a spur, which can be seen with an otoscope if the bunny chooses to sit still, (An experienced vet may also slide the jaws sideways, very gently and sort of feel with the fingers how evenly the rows of teeth slide against each other), it’s common to start out with a burr and see if that fixes the issue. If it does, you don’t go further. An approach like that is consistent with the rule about no unnecessary treatment: if spurs are found they must be removed anyway, and if that fixes the problem, all is well. If that doesn’t fix the whole problem, you go on with further tests like x-rays.

                                            I’m glad the blow-drier worked, I was going to say that I’ve used a blow-drier on a bunny butt, and the bunny (Bam) fell asleep in my lap when I was done, he just dozed off like a human on a spa getting a facial. Just don’t blow-dry her open eye directly.


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                                              I paid $200 Australian (I think that’s the same as US or similar) for my bunny to be x rayed and have her teeth trimmed. Apparently my vets cheap though.


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                                                So my vet finally squeezed me in for both Butterscotch and Smokey. Apparently Butterscotch is totally fine, gained 4 ounces in 2 weeks, and his head tilt may be permanent because he feels like it’s “normal” to be tilted that way. Poor thing.

                                                Smokey on the other hand, ugh. So she looked at her teeth with the otoscope and a special speculum they have just for bunnies and said her one side is a tiny bit pointy, but not touching her tongue. She has no abscesses or abrasions on her tongue at all. It IS drool on her face but there is no eye/nose discharge. She also went from 3.1lb to 2.04lb and has developed a heart murmur. I have to give her 1tbsp of critical care 2x a day for 3 weeks and up her veggie intake to see if we can bump up her weight. She said from there would could do an xray and bloodwork, but honestly if it’s a heart condition she’s suffering from, I’m not going to put her through all of that. She’s 6.7yr old and this came on so suddenly. So I just feel like I’m going to have to say goodbye to her soon. She hasn’t been grooming herself and the drool is excessive. The vet said the drool could be because of something internally that is making her feel sick. Her mouth is totally fine.

                                                anyone else experience this?


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                                                  Oh that is very sad, I have no advice to offer.
                                                  But I feel for u and smokey


                                                • BB & Tiny
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                                                    So sorry that it is something more serious. I wish you and Smokey the best whatever may come.


                                                  • Bam
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                                                      I’m so very sorry to hear this about her heart. A heart condition is of course consistent with wasting.

                                                      Even the tiniest of spurs can cause a bunny lots of discomfort though, even if they don’t touch the tongue. This I know both from experience with my own bun Yohio and from many Forum discussions we’ve had here. Maybe your vet could try some metacam for her, just to see if a painkiller makes a difference. I’m thinking she just might be putting her face in the water-bowl to ease pain by getting cool water on the side with the tiny spurs, I saw my Yohio do that after his latest burr, he sat with his little snout in the water-bowl until it was time for his Metacam.

                                                      These are just my thoughts here, I don’t know if it’s safe to give Metacam to a bun with a heart-murmur. But you could ask your vet. You want your little sweetheart to be as pain-free as is possible, of course.


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                                                        Aw poor Smokey!

                                                        Definitely agree about getting her some pain relief.
                                                        With the drool and her not grooming herself, I’d definitely say she’s experiencing dental pain. You might see her leaving Caecatrophs too, or getting mushy poos.

                                                        While a vet can get a better look in mouth with otoscope, it’s impossible for them to see everything, especially the last molars. This would need to be done under sedation.


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                                                          I don’t think she can have any kind of medication right now because of how little she weighs. The vet said she could put her on different things, but we needed to get her weight up as fast as possible. The good news is that she LOVES the Critical Care! I had a rough experience with Critical Care with my chinchilla, so I thought I was going to have to force feed her too. But I put it on a little saucer and she either it eats it immediately or goes periodically back to it. So that makes all this a little easier. It would have broken my heart to have to force her to eat.

                                                          They cannot do any xrays or anything else until her weight is up. Sedation is too risky right now and we have to evaluate our options in about 3 weeks when her (hopefully) weight goes up. Until then I have to bump up her romaine intake, as well as 1-2tbsp of Critical Care two times a day. She seems a lot more active since I took her Friday afternoon to today, so hopefully she is feeling better.

                                                          I haven’t seen any mushy poos. They were just slightly smaller than normal (yes, I know her poop size, I’m crazy). But no mushy poos or caecatrophs. She isn’t really using her liter box to poop in like she normally does, but still goes in there to pee. No grinding of the teeth or hunching over, either, which is what my vet told me to look out for as signs of pain.


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                                                            So great that she loves the Critical Care! And that she’s more active too.

                                                            I didn’t realize she had lost so much weight,. I’m sorry. Weight-gain vibes for (((((Smokey)))))

                                                            Us bunny mommies tend to know the size of our bunnies’ poop. I’d never have imagined that poop would play an important part in my life, but for a bunny-owner, poop is serious business.


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                                                              Okay so weirdest thing. She has completely stopped drooling and her face is almost dry. I have started the task of gentle brushing it to separate some of the matted fur. But she’s not drooling at all now. What in the world is going on????


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                                                                You’re not crazy, you’re just an attentive bunny parent. Hope she is able the gain the weight and maintain it.

                                                                Okay so weirdest thing. She has completely stopped drooling and her face is almost dry. I have started the task of gentle brushing it to separate some of the matted fur. But she’s not drooling at all now. What in the world is going on????

                                                                Maybe the other food was becoming trapped as she wasn’t chewing it properly and it caused excess drool? Not an issue with the CC? Not sure!


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                                                                  I know dogs can drool like mad if sth get stuck between their teeth or in their gums, I had that happen to my old dog once with a wooden splinter. I so hope she keeps the non-drooling up, it would be so great. It may just be that the CC is easier to eat, but still, it’s good news.


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                                                                    She hasn’t been on pellets for years, she’s on a hay and veggie diet (with fruit here and there). She got slow gut from pellets and it caused her to become super grumpy and aggressive. My vet said sometimes this happens with buns, and to eliminate pellets entirely. Since then she’s had fresh orchard, oat, barley, wheat and every other hay except alfalfa plus her romaine leaves. Maybe some hay got stuck in her teeth? I’m not sure. The vet said the drooling could have been from her stomach bothering her, too. She never completely stopped eating, though. But maybe something WAS stuck in her teeth and that’s why she was constantly drinking?

                                                                    Well, so far so good. She’s doing good with her hay, romaine and CC and has started grooming herself again! I can’t believe the turnaround in only a matter of days after almost a week of her looking so sad and sick! Hopefully she gains her weight back fast and I have my normal diva Smokey back!

                                                                    Thank you everyone for your help and guidance so far. Sometimes it’s nice just to have other bun owners there for you so you don’t feel so crazy and lost. Everyone else around me has cats/dogs and if they do have a rabbit, they don’t believe in taking them to the vet (I’ve tried reasoning with them, they don’t listen). So I really am grateful for all the times I have needed BinkyBunny’s awesome members over all the years I’ve had Smokey and my other buns ((((hugs))))


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                                                                      That’s such good news, I’m so glad Smokeys improving

                                                                      I had one of my guinea pigs get a small piece of hay stuck in her teeth once and she freaked me out, she was acting all weird and doing strange things with her mouth and I thought something was seriously wrong, then whilst checking her out I found the piece of hay and took it out, i didn’t think that was the problem at the time but after I took the hay out of her mouth she was fine again. Seems that can really cause a lot of problems for a small animal.

                                                                      I really hope everything keeps going well


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                                                                        She’s still doing good, still completely dry with her mouth too. She’s eating all of the hay, romaine, and CC that I give her and is so much more alert. I do want to help her clean her face though since the drool made her stinky. Should I just use like a warm wash cloth to help clean her face up? I don’t want her to get an infection.

                                                                        Also, does anyone have any posts about helping bunnies with a permanent head tilt? I know they are out there but I want real reliable sources so that Butterscotch can live a normal and safe life. As it is, when he jumps from the second level he turns his head COMPLETELY upside down. Poor thing. I contacted the breeder and she really couldn’t tell me much, as well as not even reimbursing me for the almost $250 I have spent in vet bills on him. So I’m a little irate at her because she used to be a good breeder. Ever since she moved towns I guess that changed.


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                                                                          I think there is a wash available that has chlorhexadins in it but I don’t know the name. I use a powder too, that has this in it.
                                                                          Grapefruit seed extract may also be useful. I think a mber here too ed Tarfet has some wet wipes with this in it, but you’d need to carefully check other ingredients. Now that it’s staying dry, that will go a long way toward getting rid of smell and preventing infection.

                                                                          I’m not up to date in Butterscotch’s history, sorry! Was his tilt caused by ear infection?
                                                                          Does he have a ramp between levels or just jumps between them?

                                                                          Have you ever checked out the “on the wonk” website? There is also a fb group for people with head tilt bunnies so you can connect with others and see what they do to make life easier for the bun.
                                                                          It’s called Help for Head Tilt Hoppers.


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                                                                            So I think Smokey is in the process of kidney failure, everyone. I think the vet was right when she said the drooling could be that internally something was wrong and that thing being organ failure. She is now barely using her litter box, having issues getting up on the second level (not falling, but not quite making it like she used to), constantly thirsty, hungry. Her poops are still smallish even though she’s constantly eating. She smells awful, despite the drooling having stopped for weeks now. 

                                                                            The odd thing? If I don’t give her 1TBSP of CC two days a day, the drooling starts again. I don’t understand it.

                                                                            So from some research I’ve done, the signs I’m seeing are when acute kidney failure has set in and about 75% of her kidneys have lost function. Since she is 7, she has a very slim chance of recovering via antibiotics and fluids under the skin. So my only option really is to take her to the vet for her checkup appointment Tuesday and discuss the options.

                                                                            I think Butterscotch knows she is sick. He rarely goes up on the second level anymore where they could interact, and stays far away from her. He looks sad. He is totally normal when he sees his pellets, hay or romaine, but the rest of the time he looks sad. I feel bad for him because they were just starting to bond and he really liked her. She finally let him clean her face the other day and then he did little binkies around the whole cage!

                                                                            I don’t know, everyone. This is hard. She was my first real baby and we grew up together. I’m not ready for her to go yet but I know if it’s her time, it’s her time.


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                                                                              I received Butterscotch when he was 3 months old. After a couple weeks of having him, he had a slight head tilt but acted normal. Even though the breeder told me he was fine, I still went with my gut feeling and went to the vet. Turns out his eardrum had ruptured, which was causing his head tilt. The vet said that it’s super rare for bunnies and that the ear infection had been there a LONG time for that to happen. I explained how I only had him a couple of weeks, and she said it was obviously from the breeder.

                                                                              I did 3 weeks of penicillin shots and he is cleared from the vet now. She said his head tilt may be because tilting feels “normal” to him now because he did it so long. He may return to normal, but he also may not. Some days he isn’t so tilty. Oher days he’s very tilty.

                                                                              There is about a 10 inch jump to the second level. I don’t have the ramps that came with the cage anymore since when I had this 3 level condo it was only for Smokey and she never used the ramps, she would just jump over them. I have sheets on the bottom of the cage (the bottom level is linoleum) and he seems to be getting better at jumping up/down versus when he was first healing from the ruptured ear drum.


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                                                                                I’m so sorry to hear this unhappy news. (((Healing Vibes for your Buns)))) and (((Hugs))) for you.


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                                                                                  I’m so sorry about Smokey. ((((((Smokey)))))

                                                                                  I’m glad Butterscotch’s ear-infection is cleared.


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                                                                                    Smokey has been doing well on the CC every day and still has her personality intact, but I do see signs of her not feeling well whenever she thinks I’m not looking (her condo is 2 feet from my bed and we can see one another). She was kind of sit like she is cold and appear to zone out. When I mentioned this to the vet, she said it’s her zoning out into a twilight because she isn’t well and whatnot. I haven’t seen any signs of pain that she told me about (grinding teeth, sitting hunched with her head down, loss of appetite, etc) but her poop is weird. They were small before but now it looks like a smaller poop is merged with the other poop. She’s eating/drinking like she has been, and sometimes she looks like her eyes are squinting, but other than that she is completely normal.

                                                                                    I am currently waiting for more CC to come in and I feel bad because she hasn’t had it for a couple of days (I had to wait to get paid) so I’m wondering if this is the reason for her poops? I gave her some more romaine today and plenty of hay. Is there anything else I can give her in place of the CC and help her digestive system? On hand I have bananas, romaine, and oats but I can go to the store if I need to to pick up other things.


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                                                                                      It’s likely the “lack” if CC that’s causing the weird poop, any change to a bunny’s diet will change the poop in some way or another.
                                                                                      If you have regular pellets you could mash them up with some canned pumpkin (plain, no sugar etc) or baby fruit purée. Some bunnies like that a lot.
                                                                                      Other than that, hay is the best thing for a bunny tum – but you have to make sure she eats it. Sometimes they are very picky with their hay. An empty stomach is the worst thing for a bunny.
                                                                                      I’m glad to hear she’s doing well in some respects, but I’m keeping my fingers crossed for a full recovery.

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