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Forum HOUSE RABBIT Q & A My rabbit’s vet plan

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    • lorree
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        Currently my vet and I are dealing with Boonie’s eye infection, she’s being treated with Tricin, and this is the 3rd week of treatment. Her eyes do look better but they are still infected so it’s ongoing at the moment.
        But I’ve also noticed some other thing and I wanted to work out a vet plan to sort out everything she needs. So I’m hoping for some advice on my plans and anything else I should be looking at.

        So here’s the current plan:
        1. Deal with this eye infection
        2. Once eyes are better, get her the calicivirus vaccination (Myxomatosis vaccinations are not permitted in Australia)
        3. Talk to vet about her poops. Amongst her normal poops, she does some larger possibly egg shaped or double poops and also some small poops and if this is a sign of something then I want to know what’s going on. If her digestive system is slowing at times, then why is that happening.
        4. Get her some blood tests done, she’s 4 and I want to desex her but I want to be sure she’s ok first.
        5. Desex

        Also wondering about worming her? Can I do that myself? What’s good to use?

        And those butt valves.. We’re supposed to clean them? I have never been able to get to them. Is this a problem?

        Also yesterday my mum came over, and I dont see her often, and immediately she said Boonie’s lost weight. I hadn’t noticed this. And later on I looked at her and yes I think she has. I don’t have any scales to use so I don’t know what she weighs and I’m so broke at the moment I can’t buy scales, so I will weigh her when at the vet next, but that’s a few weeks away. She used to eat more pellets and this muesli mix but I took her off them because she was actually getting quite fat. But now she seems somewhere between ideal and underweight. In looking at this image: http://www.therabbithouse.com/diet/images/rabbitbodycondition2.png

        She eats some oaten hay and an oxbow vitamin tablet each day, along with a good sized portion of fresh veggies. And sometimes some treats. But now I’m wondering how to healthily fatten her up a bit.

        Or could it be worms or gut issues causing this weight lose?

        Lots of questions sorry, but it’s all for the sake of that beautiful big eared thing


      • LBJ10
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          I’m hearing eyes, poop, and losing weight. Are you sure there isn’t something wrong with her teeth? Did the vet do a thorough exam of her mouth?


        • lorree
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            no he did not. She doesn’t appear to have a tooth problem, she eats well and chews things. but I’m no expert so I will make sure he checks her teeth when I’m in there next


          • lorree
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              So I thought I’d bring this post back up to compile all that’s going on with Boonie in one place.

              Currently it is now the 5th week of eye treatment with ointments, I’m now using chloramphenicol in the morning and Tricin at night.

              Her poop seems normal now, the strange ones aren’t occurring anymore apart from the occasional “double”

              Checked her weight yesterday and she’s 2kg (4.4lb) which for her size is underweight. I did change her diet a while back cos she was fat so I’m currently unsure if it’s a diet thing or something else. I am adding pellets back into her diet ( I took them out cos she wasn’t eating hay). So I’ll keep checking her weight and hopefully all goes well there.

              I was wondering about worms, but I’m holding of any treatment whilst she’s on these antibiotics for her eyes.

              Her front teeth are fine but I’ll need to get the vet to check her molars when I’m in there next. Just in case.

              I emailed a rabbit specialist who’s a bit hard for me to get to, and they replied asking for a photo. So I’m currently trying to get a good photo atm, but Boonie is not co-operating.

              So that’s where things are currently at. She’s not a very happy rabbit right now and I hate seeing her upset. She hates the eye ointment, the vet, the car, and me prodding her all the time. She seems to think everything I do is to trick her into letting me do something she hates again. She refuses any treats or pats. And won’t eat until I leave the room
              I just want this all to be over for her


            • lorree
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                Putting some pictures here, in case anyone has any opinions or if their rabbit is having similar issues.

                I don’t know how to add a warning to the topic line, if anyone gets squeamish easily, some of these pictures might be a little yucky 

                WARNING; PICTURES THAT FOLLOW MAY AFFECT SOME PEOPLE. CLOSE UPS OF HER EYE ISSUES. WARNING

                sorry the photos are so big, I tried my best lol

                these photos make me sad, so do the old photos i have of a chubby happy bunny, shes so skinny and sore looking now 


              • Reeem
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                  Aww poor bun, i hope she gets better soon. Is it that wet because her eye is watering or ?


                • lorree
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                    The part in front of the eyes, where the hair has come out and it’s all red, that’s from the eyes watering. The rest of it is from the antibiotic, because she spreads it around her face when she cleans

                    I have noticed over the last few days that she seems to hate one of the eye ointments more then the other, so I might have to talk to my vet about that.


                  • beebun
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                      Aw, that sucks, Loree. I hope bunny gets better. You have all the support from the members here :”


                    • lorree
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                        Ok I’m now pretty sure Boonie is suffering, I’m mid cry as I write this, Boonie has been hiding under the bed more often and has been doing a mouth movement that looks like mumbling or teeth grinding, and as far as I know that means pain.

                        She is so skinny, I haven’t weighed her since last time at 2kg but unless my eyes are deceiving me she’s getting smaller.

                        She eats her veggies, some pellets and hay but I guess it’s not enough. And she’s still quite active at times, so I’d say she’s burning off way more then she eats.

                        I think it’s molar spurs, since she has no fat on her face I felt them through her cheek and the front molars seem quite larger then the rest of them, and today her breath is a little off

                        I have a vet appointment next week but I’m trying to get in sooner, cos I’m so worried about her now

                        I’m so worried about anesthesia too, but I don’t even know if she can wait the time it’ll take to get a blood test, she’s fading away


                      • lorree
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                          Cue me crying on the phone to the vet like an idiot whilst Boon’s just looking at me like “what”

                          So tomorrow morning we’re going in, and I don’t know what’ll happen and that scares me, but this has to be fixed now, b4 any more weight is lost. I’m sure she’ll be fine, I don’t know about me though


                        • Bam
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                            Lorree, so many vibes for Boonie. They need to check her molars if they havent. There could be an abcess around a tooth-root or sth like that that could be causing the eye infection. It would also make it painful for her to eat.

                            I so hope she’ll be fine and that you find a way to cope. It’s just terrible to be a worried bunny-owner. ((((((Boonie)))))) and ((((((lorree)))))


                          • lorree
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                              Oh thanks Bam
                              I am terrified, probably a lot more than I should be
                              I know my vet is good, he operated on my tiny guinea pig b4 and it was a big operation and all went great. I know he’s operated on rabbits as well. But still I worry so much about anesthesia
                              But I don’t want her to be in pain either so I know it’s gotta happen asap
                              She’s almost just skin and bone
                              I can’t believe how fast she’s shrunk

                              I just hope I don’t cry at the vet, cos I do feel like I’m over reacting


                            • Bam
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                                I’m sure they’ve met pet-owners that cry out of worry before at your vets. It is difficult to have a sick pet because they can’t talk, it makes us feel so powerless, vets know this.

                                It is worrying that she’s shrunk, has she been eating a lot less or is she losing weight in spite of eating normally?


                              • lorree
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                                  Well she’s been fussy with hay for a long time, she eats her veggies and some grass, and some pellets but I don’t think she eats enough hay

                                  I used to have her on a different pellet which was unhealthy and she ate that more then anything. But since I changed that I think that may have been the only thing holding the weight on her. So I think she’s not eating enough
                                  So stopped chewing wood too, took me a while to notice that and the hay cos she hides things under the bed, and I guess I didn’t wanna disturb her cool little world under there much, although I should have, bcos i would have known sooner


                                • BB & Tiny
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                                    I hope everything goes well for you both tomorrow.


                                  • lorree
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                                      She is in hospital now, I will know more later on today. I have been shaking all day.

                                      Might sound strange but I’m gonna go mow the lawn and pull out weeds and stuff, I dunno just gotta keep busy, and get myself through these next 4 hours or so, and I really hope she can come home tonight. I literally feel like cuddling her poop at the moment lol, just hanging on to anything that’s hers

                                      So hoping it’s just a teeth thing and the anesthetic goes well and everything turns out great

                                      (gotta remember to breathe)


                                    • BB & Tiny
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                                        No, that is not strange at all and completely understandable.

                                        Yes you do need to breathe and i too hope it is teeth related. The more i read in here about the love for a bunny ( bunnies ) I worry myself that if anything were to happen to mine my world would be bereft of light. They are so much part of our lives..so I completely understand your anxiousness.

                                        I am sending positive thoughts for both you and Boonie


                                      • vanessa
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                                          It sounds to me like the eyes are a symptom of the real problem. I agree that molars might be a probable cause. My little Lancelot had molar spurs that caused all sorts of issues. They were trimmed, and now he is eating hay again. He also had an eye ulcer from poor nutrition in his previous home. Today he is doing great. But his eye’s still water periodically. As in – most of the time. I wipe them with warm sterile solution on a cotton ball. When his pal Guin licks his eyes, it actually helps more. My vet said he wouldn’t’ treat the eyes unless they are getting worse. Sometimes rabbits get blocked tear ducts that trouble them their whole lives. But if this is new for your bunny, I would look at it as a symptom of a larger problem. No hay no chewing – sounds like a tooth problem. If that is it – it is easily remedied. I’m sorry this is so stressful for you. Last time I was at the vet with Merlin, I cried like a baby. You might notice that your vet has a box of tissues at one end of the exam room. That’s for us people who cry 🙂 It is perfectly normal. I would seriousely get a scale. I use a kitchen scale. They are inexpensive, and can weigh up to 10lbs (for the cheaper ones). It’s very important. It sounds like your vet bills are going to add up – which may make a scale seem small in the larger picture 🙂


                                        • lorree
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                                            Boonie’s home!!!

                                            Ok that’s the good news

                                            But the bad news is, it’s not her teeth. Theres no spurs or abcsesses, they took an X-ray and everything looks fine there. They did some trimming anyway just on case. But now we know the eyes and weight loss and possible pain is not related to her teeth. So the question is what is it?
                                            That scares me

                                            My mum came with me and was shocked when she saw Boonie, it’s been 3 weeks since she last saw her and she said omg she’s even skinnier!!

                                            I am continuing treating her eyes, but with a new ointment now
                                            It’s canaural And I’m supposed to put 2 drops in her eyes morning and night
                                            I’ve read thats a ear drop thing so I’m not sure about it
                                            Anyone know anything about it?

                                            Also got baytril oral 0.5ml per day

                                            I gotta go back in a week or earlier if something goes wrong

                                            We had a couple of big hugs tonight so far and she seems so happy to be home
                                            And gosh I’m so glad she’s home too I don’t think I would of slept tonight without knowing she was ok.

                                            So I’m relieved but also not so relieved cos now I don’t know what’s going on with her

                                            Anyone got any idea on how to get some weight back on her?


                                          • Bam
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                                              I’m glad she’s home!

                                              Canaural has fucidic acid, and framycetine(Neomycin B). Both are bunny safe abs. Both can be used for eye-infections in humans. It also has prednisone, a glucocorticoid that reduces inflammation and itching.

                                              If her appetite is low, you could ask your vet if they think she’d benefit from periactin (cyproheptadine), it’s an antihistamine that enhances appetite. It’s prescription only in most places though.


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                                                Is it possible the decrease in her appetite is a result of her meds? Also, she might be uncomfortable, any suggestions of a pain med or anti-inflamitory med to help? Maybe some critical care to help get some extra calories in there?
                                                Poor Boonie, I am glad she’s home so she can get lots of pets and snuggles.


                                              • vanessa
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                                                  Critical care sounds like a good idea. I’m just concerned that there doesn’t seem to be a firm diagnosis.


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                                                    Ok thanks Bam

                                                    I got some critical care (which is unfortunately not so easy to get here)
                                                    And this morning I started on the new eye drops and the baytril and gave her some critical care as well
                                                    Though she hated me putting things in her mouth, she fought and fought and after getting the baytril and just 2ml of critical care into her she started biting me, which shes never done b4, and after 3 bites I had to let her go, geez it hurt
                                                    :-/
                                                    So I’ll keep trying but I might have to put a thick jumper on when I do it (although the weathers hot lol)

                                                    I left the bowl with the left over critical care in it with her and I’m hoping maybe she’ll just eat it herself.

                                                    But anyway she ate some veggies last night, bit of cos lettuce and coriander, rocket and basil
                                                    And a tiny bit of pellets and hay

                                                    She’s still not that interested in food but at least she’s eating something. And she does drink water still. And her poop looks normal

                                                    The vet did grind her teeth down a bit, and I actually think she seems to be able to eat easier even though her teeth didn’t seem to be the problem (maybe that’s also why she’s able to bite now?)

                                                    So keeping a close eye on her and I bought some scales to keep record of her weight too. And we’ll see how we go


                                                  • Bam
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                                                      I’m sorry she bit you. I’m glad she ate some on her own. Did she get any metacam after the teeth-grind? My Yohio was sore after and wouldn’t eat, so I had to get a prescription for metacam and once I gave him that, he started eating like a champ.

                                                      If Critical Care is hard to get, you can use pellet-mash (pellets dissolved in water to a sauce or thinnish paste). You can try mixing it with mashed pumpkin (canned pumpkin, plain, without sugar) or baby food (fruit, veg) to make it appetizing, bunnies will often eat their CC or pellet-mash from a spoon or a plate if you mix it with pumpkin or baby food.


                                                    • lorree
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                                                        No I didn’t get any metacam, she doesn’t seem to have any pain whilst eating though
                                                        It’s more that she just isn’t that interested in food

                                                        I went searching for baby food and got a bit confused by them all, so many of them have root vegetables in them and I’m thinking that’s bad for her, so I ended up with some apple flavoured and some banana and pear flavoured ones, so I hope that’s ok for her, I was a bit concerned that fruits sugary but I guess that’s probably not too much of a issue seeing as she’s so skinny

                                                        @rosieposie
                                                        I had that thought too that maybe her medications were upsetting her appetite, she on different ones now so I guess I’ll see if that helps, but yeah that is a interesting thought


                                                      • Bam
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                                                          Regarding the baby food, too much sugar is of course not good, but your main objective now must be to make her eat and fruit may be enticing to her. I know Moxie here uses a blueberry/pear baby food for her Moxie. My bunny Bam goes absolutely crazy for pear, so pear may be very appetizing for bunnies.


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                                                            Yeah I was thinking that just getting her to eat is the most important thing

                                                            I tried the critical care again tonight and wore a thick jacket to do it. But she went berjerk. She was trying to scratch me and bite me, she made holes in my jacket and it was quite aggressive, ive never seen her like that b4. So I stopped trying and held her for a while and she stopped fighting and just enjoyed the cuddle, then the moment I moved again she started up again so I just had to let her go

                                                            I don’t know if she just really hates me puttting food in her mouth or if she actually has a sore mouth and perhaps I’m hurting her.
                                                            She doesn’t seem in pain normally or when she’s eating the things she does eat, but maybe someone holding her mouth is just too much

                                                            Anyway I put the rest on a plate and she’s now looking at it like it’s the plague or something. I guess she associates it with the thing she hates now.
                                                            So I’m gonna try the pellet mash tomorrow instead and just put it on the plate and see what happens

                                                            She ate veggies again tonight, but not much else today, though right now she’s having some hay and I’m hoping she doesn’t stop at 1 piece

                                                            These eye drops are not bad, she seems less annoyed about them, so that’s a good thing

                                                            And the cutest thing is that after she attacked me, she ran off and then she comes back up to me and puts her paws on my leg and looks up at me like “I’m sorry” and I gave her a little pat and we touched noses


                                                          • Bam
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                                                              Aww, that was really sweet, she loves you =) She just hates the force-feeding-situation.

                                                              Sometimes they will eat a pellet/yummy stuff-mix off a spoon, but not from a plate. There was even one bunny here who’d only eat CC from a certain silver-spoon.

                                                              Many eating-vibes for ((((((Boonie))))))


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                                                                When I give Morgana oral medicine, sometimes she will accept it with a towel draped over her as a cue to be still. Othertimes, I have to snatch her up in the quickest bunny burrito you have ever seen, and once she tastes it, she lets me put the syringe in her mouth. If you need to feed her by syringe, perhaps a towel wrap would help keep her still and calmer. I don’t lay my bunnies on their backs when I do the burrito. I do hold them back just enough that their head is ever so slightly tipped back. Just enough that they stop fighting. It makes the procedure go by much quicker – and it is less stressful for the bunnies. I have read pros and cons of the burrito. A bunny on her back will be waaaaay more frightened than a bunny with her head just tipped a tiny bit back. I won’t comment on the lying-on-her-back burrito, but I do believe that tipping Morgana’s head back a tiny amount – makes it waaaaay easier on her to receive oral food/medicine. That beign said – it is never pleasant for the bunnies to get syringe fed. All you can do is make it quicker and less unpleasant.


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                                                                  Thanks for the bunny burrito idea, it definitely helped. She still panicked a lot those so I didn’t give her much. I think she’s starting to eat more on her own so I’ll leave the force feeding for a bit, see how she goes. But I definitely need to wrap her up in a burrito to get the baytril into her.

                                                                  I tried the pellet mash with a apple/blueberry/strawberry baby food and she licked the spoon once and then rejected it. I smelt it myself and yeah I don’t think I’d want it either. So I’ll try the pear/banana ones tomorrow, surely that would have to be yummier.

                                                                  I fed her some chamomile and marjoram, both are supposed to help ease pain, and I swear she seems happier after eating it, so perhaps she is in a little pain

                                                                  She is starting to act like her normal self though so maybe it’s not that bad

                                                                  Although I don’t have a conclusive diagnoses, these eye drops seem to be helping and I think perhaps having her teeth trimmed has done her a world of good. So I’m hoping giving some time to get over any stress and pain and with a bit of help with eating perhaps everything will be good again.

                                                                  In saying that, today I decided to clean everywhere she can get to thoroughly (which is a lot when you’ve got a free roaming house rabbit) and I came across a hidden stash of hay. It seems the hay I thought she was eating, she was just moving it and hiding it. Weird?
                                                                  So I’m gonna keep an eye on that.

                                                                  Going to the vet on thursday next week, and I may ask about that appetite increasing drug, at least till she fattens up a bit. Thinking about getting some blood work done too.


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                                                                    Willow is also good for pain, if you can get some willow. My Yohio went crazy for willow when he had his business with his teeth. It’s bunny safe and healthy and is has (natural) salicylic acid which is a painkiller.

                                                                    I hope she likes the pear/banana better! 


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                                                                      Over night Boonie ate a handful of veg and a handful of pellets, and no hay. I actually took a photo of her hay b4 bed to see how it changes in the morning and it looks exactly the same.

                                                                      I just gave her a few long strands of hay where she was sitting and she slowly consumed 2 long strands and then turned around and did a big happy flop. She hasnt done that in a while, so I couldn’t help vocalize my excitement at her happy flop and that scared her lol.

                                                                      Most of the time though she just sits there hunched up and as she breathes it makes her whole body move. I don’t know if that’s normal or not. It’s like breathe in normal, breathe out whole body rocks.


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                                                                        In some good news, these eye drops seem to be actually helping and she doesn’t hate them as much as the previous ointments, nor me for doing it.
                                                                        With the other ones, I’d do it then she’d run off, doing the “screw u” kick and thumping and then stay away from me for hours. Now she just moves away a bit and a few seconds later she allows me to pat her and seems cool with it.

                                                                        She also is letting me pat her more in general and I’m wondering if she had been head shy for a while

                                                                        When she does eat something (still not often) she seems so happy afterwards, as if to say woo hoo that didn’t hurt


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                                                                          Ok so I know I’ve now posted 3 times b4 anyones been able to reply but there’s so much on my mind and most of u guys are on completely different time frames to mine.

                                                                          So its now about 7:30pm here and I wanted to tell u exactly how much Boonie has eaten in 24 hours to see ur opinions.

                                                                          So as I said last night she ate a handful of veg and a handful of pellets.
                                                                          Add to that what she ate today which was a small handful of hay and a small handful of pellets, a small piece of banana and a handful of fresh grass (something I’ve always given her).

                                                                          So that’s 24 hours worth of food without any force feeding. It is more than she was eating.
                                                                          But yeah opinions?


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                                                                            It does seem to be a little bit on the meagre side, but a handful + a small handful of pellets sounds good. How much does she weigh?

                                                                            I’m glad she doesn’t hate these eye-drops as much and that she lets you pat her more, it’s always a good sign when a bunny is social.

                                                                            Did the vet do x-rays of her teeth/skull? Just in case there is a tooth-root abscess I mean.  


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                                                                              Yeah they checked for abscesses and stuff, they showed me the x ray too. It looked pretty good, except maybe her teeth may have been a bit long but they probably thought that too and they trimmed them

                                                                              And they checked again with an otoscope when I was there, which she broke lol

                                                                              She is currently about 2kg but as a large bunny she should be around 5kg


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                                                                                Going back to the vet in a couple days, thinking of asking for the appetite increaser and to get blood work done.

                                                                                Do u think the baytril and the eye drops would interfere with that?

                                                                                Can they check for everything in one blood test?
                                                                                I mean I wanna check if somethings causing the weight loss and lack of appetite, but also want to get her desexed as soon as I can so need to check anything that would interfere with that operation.


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                                                                                  Baytril will upset the tummy to some extent since the gut is full of bacteria and antibiotics can’t “tell the difference” between good and bad bacteria. Some eyedrops have systemic effects too.

                                                                                  They have to make some sorts of assumptions about what may be causing this in order to know what tests to run.
                                                                                  The spaying has to be a later issue, this is no time to consider elective surgery.


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                                                                                    Ok thanks Bam

                                                                                    I’ll take that into consideration and see what the vet wants to do and can do

                                                                                    Also bought a hay topper to see if that’ll incourage her to eat more


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                                                                                      Back at the vet today, didnt do much, but the vet said we’ll take her off the baytril cos it could’ve decreased her appetite and so could’ve the previous eye ointments. The current one is not so bad, and her eyes are definitely improving.

                                                                                      So now hopefully her appetite comes back. If not it’s back in for blood tests or X-rays etc.

                                                                                      So fingers crossed it is just from the medication and everything start improving.

                                                                                      Came home to some small poop and an uneaten cecal but I’m hoping that’s just her guts sorting itself out


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                                                                                        Oh, I so hope she’ll start to get better now! I forget, do you give her any sort of probiotic? There are a few that are used in rabbits f ex brewer’s yeast (saccaromyces cerevisiae) and various types of lactobacteria (they are not just found in milk-products).


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                                                                                          I have not, I figured I couldn’t whilst she was on antibiotics.
                                                                                          But I guess I can now if u think it will help her


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                                                                                            Today Boonie ate some hay, all her pellets, all her veg, some grass, and a vitamin tablet. There’s poop everywhere and I spent some time running around the house going “Boonie’s back, Boonie’s back”

                                                                                            Her eyes are still annoying her but Boonie’s back, Boonie’s back, Boonie’s back, Boonie’s back!!!

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