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Forum HOUSE RABBIT Q & A Moxie’s test results came back. They aren’t good.

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    • MoxieMeadows
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        I got Moxie’s test results back today. I am at a loss of what to do. Here’s what they found in the culture:

        Traces of Pasteurella.

        An inflammation that can be caused by parasites or allergies.

        And Squamous cells, which can point to Carcinoma. An untreatable cancer.

        I don’t know what to do! Should I put her through all the stress of going under anesthesia to get an x-ray to find out if she has cancer? It can’t be treated anyway, all it would do is kill me if we found out she had it. Or just treat the Pasteurella and inflammation and hope for the best? But even if the sneezing goes away she could be dying of cancer. That would be antibiotics twice a day for 3 weeks. I don’t know what to do. I’m so stressed I feel sick to my stomach and have been crying for hours. My family try telling me even if she has cancer she could still live for years, but I know they have no clue and just want me to feel better.

        From what I understand though is that the Squamous cells doesn’t mean she *definitely* has cancer, but it’s likely.

        If my baby has cancer I don’t know what I’ll do. She’s my everything and if I lose her I’ll probably die.

        I’m just rambling on, but any insight, information, help, advice, comfort, will be appreciated!


      • Little Lion Head
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          Oh Moxie honey, I don’t have any advice for you, but I can tell you that I went through something similar with our beloved, Boston.

          We only had Boston for 3 years (got her as a baby) and she had Pasturella and went through the most awful case of head tilt. We literally nursed her back to health; i refused to give up. (syringe food, syringe water, and shots b/c we were so far from the rabbit vet). She ended up coming back from her head tilt with just constant slight tilt that give her a funny ear as it was always a little flipped.

          A few years later, she ended up passing away suddenly–she was covered in tumors (lungs, liver, brain, etc.) and we had NO IDEA! Had we known, I am sure we would have done something (not sure what we could have done? but I’m sure we would have tried).

          My point is–Pasturella isn’t necessarily the worst thing. It’s very common in bunnies and sometimes very treatable. It might seem like you are stressing her out with treatments for any of this, but honestly, taking care of Boston made us closer to her than ever. She could feel how much we loved her and we had the greatest bond ever. I would never, ever take away those 3 years we had with her.

          Knowing some of this in advance will probably give you an advantage to get a handle on things early. Moxie means the world to you and you to her! Don’t give up on her–you are an amazing bunny momma and she needs you! We are here for you even if it’s just for lots and lots of ((((((((((vibes))))))))


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            Vibes Moxie, I would start the treatment for the pasturella asap. I don’t know what to say about the Xrays, your family is right it could take years. I lost my cat Jebediah to cancer last year and it was fast, very fast. I think you should talk about it more with your family and your vet.


          • MoxieMeadows
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              I just don’t know if I want to put her through the stress of x-rays (also we’ve spent close to $1000 in the past month or two and funds are starting to run low) if there’s nothing that can be done to cure her if she does have cancer. Although if we do the x-ray and she doesn’t have cancer it would relieve a lot of stress and sadness.
              If we treat the Pasteurella and it goes away, I still wouldn’t know if she had cancer or not. And then if we decide to do x-rays the stress could make the Pasteurella resurface again and we’d have to start over.
              If we did the x-ray and they said she only had a short amount of time left to live, would it be worth treating her for Pasteurella?
              I’m so confused on what to do.
              I think I just need to call the vets and talk about what would be best and have a nice long think. I want what is best for Moxie.


            • TheMidnightSapphire
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                (((((Vibes)))))

                If it were me I’d probably get the x-rays done, that’s because I can’t handle not knowing what’s going on though. But definitely speak to your vet and family about it more. <3


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                  Moxie — I’m so sorry this is going on. I would definitely start the antibiotics and would talk more with the vet about the squamous cells and xrays to get more information — how often do squamous cells appear on cultures and not be cancer, etc. Maybe I’m not reading correctly, but it sounds like it might not be cancer?

                  We lost our dog Mysti to cancer last July. We didn’t even realize she had cancer until the night she passed away. I don’t know that anything could have been done, but I wish I had known. When it comes to pets and cancer, my feeling is that if it appeared to be a possibility, I would do the test so that I would not always be wondering and so that the vet and I would be better in tune when it came time for pain meds, etc. (this is the part we missed with Mysti). Moxie, this is only what I would have a need to do – you must decide what is best for you when it comes to testing and knowing.


                • MK
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                    Hang in there Moxie!! I know this is hard but you should get the x-rays done if you can. You will be able to make more informed decisions. Prayers for both of you!!


                  • MK
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                      Hang in there Moxie!! I know this is hard but you should get the x-rays done if you can. You will be able to make more informed decisions. Prayers for both of you!!


                    • BrunosMama
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                        Oh, poor Moxie! And you! Lots of hugs and cuddles from all of us buns and humans.

                        If it were me, I think I would treat the paturella and allergies first. Those seem to be definite. I don’t know about the other stuff.

                        Definitely express your concerns to both family and vet and maybe do some research.

                        Sorry I don’t have more to offer. {{{{{Hugs}}}}}


                      • Megabunny
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                          You def. need to talk with the vet more, now that you’ve had time to think of more questions. It’s impossible to come up with all the questions right then and there as you get the report and are trying to mentally digest it all. What kind of xrays are they talking about? If they are just looking to lay her down and take pictures of her chest and they don’t have to anesthetise her, I don’t think it would be a horrible amount of stress. And I doubt you’d have to race into doing them. I wonder if they just found a few random cells. My understanding is they are skin cells. I don’t know if it’s all that abnormal to find ’em in a tracheal wash. I don’t believe we got too worked up about finding some in urinalyses…just maybe if they looked unusual (odd shaped) or there were a whole lot of them. I think with infections there are a lot more because of the irritation. So if they are just finding occassional ones, maybe it’s just a normal finding when they’ve been sticking a tube down their trachea and messing around…? That’s a lot of money you folks have been shelling out. Please remember this is a young rabbit, and while cancer can strike at any age, it does seem really young. I thought you’d already treated for the Pasteurella. I don’t recall her being overly difficult for you. Gus was fed up with 2 or 3 months of antibiotics, but loved being released and quickly fed something yummy.
                          I’m glad you have the BB group to “circle the wagons” around you. We adore you and will do whatever we can to help in any way possible. I trust you will make intelligent decisions. It’s certainly a crap shoot about what to do with work-ups. I generally say that if they can’t treat the problem they’re looking for anyway, don’t do it. But weighted against peace of mind. I don’t know. Oh, and again, with it not being something you have to decide on tonight, give it time and see how finances go. If it’s early stages of something horrible, would they necessarily pick up on it this soon in an x-ray or are they going to say, well, if she’s still around in 6 months, x-ray again. I’d see how she responds to antibiotics before panicking too much about the possibility of cancer. If she improves on the antibiotics, can we assume our Moxie had the Pasteurella problem and it’s much less likely it’s a cancer problem? Like, if it’s cancer, maybe it won’t be any better in three weeks? Or if she’s not better in 3 weeks will they need to treat longer like I had to with the ear infection? Now I’m the one rambling. But if you get even one nugget from here, it will have been a good thing. Otherwise, well, sorry to ramble. Hang in there, Kiddo. We’re all routing for the two of you!!!


                        • LBJ10
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                            Do they know what type of squamous cells they were? The presence of superficial squamous cells can also result from contamination (cells are accidentally scraped off in the mouth when they are inserting the tube).


                          • Megabunny
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                              Hey are we good or what LBJ?? Same time posting and similar thoughts. Ha ha


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                                Indeed Megabunny!


                              • MoxieMeadows
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                                  Okay thanks for all the responds everybody, I think I’m starting to calm a bit.
                                  I actually was not the one who picked up the phone when the vets called. From what I understand was that the cells were found in the culture. Does that make sense/is that possible? I know the person who picked up the phone got very overwhelmed when the vets started to sling all their fancy words and cancer, and incurable, and then having to tell me, as they were about to leave for work.
                                  From what I was told was it was most likely she could have cancer, and it was untreatable but she also had the Pasteurella and the inflammation. The vets are closed on the weekends, but be assured I will call them the second they open Monday. I’m just really scared, She’s so young (turning 2 this August) I never even really considered Cancer. I totally was not prepared to even have this suggested about my baby.

                                  I think they were going to x-ray her chest/lungs to check for tumors, but they didn’t go into details because they wanted us to think about everything and call back.

                                  MB— We have treated her for Pasteurella. We gave her 21 days of baytril, meds given once a day. She was fine for a couple days, then started sneezing and honking again. She went on the baytril for another 2 weeks, but it honestly did nothing really. This time she’d be on antibiotics (and something, I forget what for the inflammation) 2 times a day for 3 weeks. Hopefully that would clear up the sneezing. I don’t think there’s really any symptoms to that type of cancer, so it’d really just be a waiting game, and never knowing…

                                  I’m just glad I have reliable people on BB who are willing to give such amazing advice and support! Love you guys! <3

                                  The vets have also mailed us price quotes for our options ect., so then we’ll have further information…


                                • Megabunny
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                                    Wow! So much to think about. I’ll be interested to hear the vet’s feedback. That stupid pasteurella. Could that be the cause of the inflammation, then the squamous cells be from the inflammation sloughing off some skin cells?? Sounds like she’s had the pasteurella a long time. Can that be a simple cause of the inflammation?
                                    I don’t expect anyone to necessarily answer all these questions for me, but it’s what I’d want to know, however, I get nervous when talking to doctors and I don’t get out all my thoughts. That will be interesting to see if the antiinflammatory helps. I imagine it would calm everything down. Interesting…though I wish it wasn’t Moxie being so interesting 🙁


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                                      I honestly have no idea MB! But I will bring that up to the vets, it sounds logical. The thing is I’d never heard of these Squamous cells before today, and haven’t been able to find any information about rabbits and the cells, so I have no clue to be honest.


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                                        Ok, so you got the information second hand from someone who was overwhelmed by all the info and the word cancer (we all freak when we hear that word and tend to jumble everything together because we can’t get that word out of our minds). Write down all of your questions as you think of them and talk to the vet first hand. Until then, try not to do too much research, at least until you have the facts, and even once you have the facts, keep in mind that whether pasteurella, cancer, allergies, etc., every situation is different.

                                        Hang in there Moxie! Your are a wonderful bunny mom and a smart and strong young woman!


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                                          If it were me, I would have the x-ray done. If she has already been treated with antibiotics with no improvement, then an infection may not be the cause of her symptoms. Pasteurella can be present and not be the cause of symptoms. So I think the x-ray will give you answers. If they find tumors, then the pasteurella may not be causing the problem. If they don’t find tumors, then you can research alternative treatments for the pasteurella.

                                          BUT, like I was saying before, squamous cells being present don’t necessarily mean anything. And I don’t think squamous cell carcinoma of the trachea is all that common in rabbits. Has she been exposed to any environmental factors that could cause it? Papilloma virus? Cigarette smoke?


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                                            {{{Moxie}}}}

                                            So sorry to hear!!!

                                            Since you asked what to do-I would advise talking more to your vet, and call a couple others-even if they aren’t in your area; they may talk on the phone with you. The reason I say maybe ask around-long story short, we were told symptoms our dog had might be cancer but if so it would be untreatable-we ended up seeing another vet who said of course it was treatable-it turned out to be cancer and we treated and she lived to be 14 -5 years past what anyone thought. So just because one vet says its untreatable, doesn’t mean anything I guess is my point. So call around. It doesn’t mean you have to see other vets, but you can certainly call and ask to talk by phone.

                                            Hit Google-read as much as you can and don’t believe everything you read. Gather info, but critically evaluate what you read.

                                            Then start thinking about it. And I would treat the pasturella, but don’t worry about the other results until you have more info.

                                            Again-so sorry, keep your chin up, *breath* and you’ll make the right decisions.


                                          • BinkyMom14
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                                              Oh MM I’m so sorry about your news! Ill be praying that Moxie is cancer free and everything can be treated.


                                            • Bam
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                                                Moxie, I’m so sad to hear this.
                                                You’ll have to treat the pasteurella, obviously. As for the x-rays, I would have them done if I could afford it. Not knowing is very stressful.

                                                Again, I’m so,so sorry. Beautiful fluffy little Moxie. (((((((((((Moxie)))))))))))


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                                                  I’m so sorry to hear about Moxie. Sending {{{{healing vibes}}}} your way.


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                                                    MM I just saw the thread, I am sorry I am not s familiar with all these and I have not much to offer you other than my support,my thoughts and my prayers. You were wonderfully supportive with me when I panicked over something. Your strong and a wonderful bunny mum. Just hang in there. Like everyone advice talk to the Vet. Stay calm because Moxie will need her Mummy.

                                                    ((hugs and vibes to both Moxie and Mum))


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                                                      Talking to other vets is a good idea, but over here NOONE will talk to you unless you bring in your pet in, so be prepared for “We really can’t know what to tell you unless you come in.”
                                                      I don’t know if you should treat or not. Obviously you’re getting a lot of conflicting advice here and only you can decide and we won’t judge. Everyone makes sense, but don’t feel pressured to do whatever you feel works in your situation


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                                                        Me and my family has already decided even *if* she has cancer, we’d still treat her for the Pasteurella and the inflammation (unless she was so sick and dying there was no point to put her through it) because there’s no sense in having her suffer from that as well. Even if we have her for another month or 10 years, we want her to be otherwise healthy.
                                                        That being said, if we’d be treating her anyway what would the x-rays REALLY do? Otherwise relieve stress or upset us more? My mother gave a point that sometimes too much knowledge can hurt us more than no knowledge. So having the x-ray done and it turned out she had cancer, would just throw away that one glimmer of hope that she doesn’t. Or it could be amazing news. But if we didn’t do the x-ray, I’d always be worried and wondering…But another $500 we don’t really have, just to either prove or disprove something, we couldn’t do anything about either way.
                                                        Just so many decisions. I’ll have to wait and talk to the vets before I decide any for sure.

                                                        I can’t really call any vets in my state without them wanting me “to come in”. Moxie’s current vet is literally like one of the only couple there are here. But that made me think to maybe call some vets in other states?
                                                        ALSO, after all of that news the vets suggested bring Moxie in for ANOTHER CULTURE! Because they wanted to test more things, ect. And I’m like “You want me to bring her in for another $400, to stress her out because you didn’t get enough swabs or whatever?!” I was mad. D^: *Sigh*

                                                        Any who, I can just feel the stress piling on to me, it’s really hard. I really just want Moxie to be a healthy and happy bun…(But don’t we all?)


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                                                          All very, very wise. It sounds a bit like what I went through with Gus, though, of course, the ears weren’t life threatening. Well, untreated infections could be but anyway, what I’m saying is that I called around South Carolina for advice over the phone. NOONE would even venture a guess over the phone no matter HOW I phrased it. I think I’m already going to a “guru” here anyway, But eventually I called back to my home state of NY and BEGGED them to just hazard a guess. They did, and confirmed what my vet was advising and there it was. But again, that was a different condition.
                                                          Your mom made some really good points. Moxie is lucky to have all of you. You’re doing great and being smart. Maybe it’s a good thing it IS the weekend, to force you to breathe and gather your thoughts.


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                                                            I kinda appreciate the day or two to think, but I don’t really want to go to the sledding party or dance now. :^/ Because it’s not like ANYONE would understand, they’d say “it’s just a rabbit.” *Sigh*
                                                            We told the vets to mail us a copy of the reports of what they found and everything, those should be here at the beginning of the week. We can read those and talk to the vets, and go from there. I’m just really worried.
                                                            And it’s not like I *really* have people other from BB to talk to, none of my friends are animal people, they have no pets/did and re-homed them. So BB has been a blessing to just talk and get things out, even though in the end I know it’s me who’ll have to make the decision…


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                                                              You go to that party child!! Enjoy yourself and we all give You permission to have fun and to laugh and forget all your troubles for the duration. It will be so good for you and will not be a disservice to Moxie whatsoever


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                                                                Moxie, I’m so very sorry! I know you feel very down right now but know that we’re all here for you and Moxie!

                                                                Personally, I would have the x-rays done, I’d rather know for certain, even if it’s bad news, than to wonder and worry about (possibly) nothing. If my bun did have cancer, I would also feel better knowing because it would make me more vigilant in looking for any signs of decline. But that’s just my personal preference, you have to do what feels best for you. There’s a reason they say “Ignorance is bliss.” Either way, I know you will do what’s best for Moxie and give her a great life no matter what.


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                                                                  Moxie – I don’t know if you read my post, but the reason I said the x-rays are a good idea is because if she does have cancer then that would likely be the source of her sneezing/wheezing…… NOT the pasteurella. A rabbit can have pasteurella and not have any symptoms at all. So if you have the x-ray done then you will know if her symptoms may be caused by something else besides the pasteurella. To me, that seems like the most logical thing to do even though there is a good chance she doesn’t have cancer (we don’t know where the squamous cells came from).

                                                                  Anyway, I can understand that the x-rays are expensive and if money is a concern (and you’re okay with not knowing), then try treating her for the pasteurella first. You may want to try a different antibiotic though, since she has already been given more than one round, she may need something different.


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                                                                    Moxie- I COMPLETELY understand if you can’t get the x-ray done, I had a to sign one of my bunnies off to a shelter because I couldn’t afford the medical care, but if it is on the table I would do it. But of course, you did hear second-hand, and it could totally be a misunderstanding. PLEASE let us know when you get more info!
                                                                    ((((Moxie))))


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                                                                      I hope you went out, MM!


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                                                                        Moxie, I too hope you went out, although I of course totally understand if you didn’t – I mean social interactions can be stressful enough even without a sick bunny on your mind.

                                                                        This is so hard. I’d have the X-rays done for the reasons Hazel and LBJ mentions. But whatever you decide to do, all BBers will be on your side and Moxie’s.


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                                                                          Moxie, I have read up on this whole thread, the reason I haven’t replied is I was *slightly* distressed about the whole thing. Not our Moxie! I absolutely prohibit her from being anything but healthy! Anyways, I just wanted to say how impressed I am with you during this whole ordeal. I know you make all your desisions wisely and maturely.
                                                                          I really don’t have much to say otherwise beside echo what the others said, and send my ((((vibes)))) to our fluffy Moxie bun. Also sending my hugs to you, keep your head up. We are all rooting for you guys.


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                                                                            I’m so very sorry to hear the negative test results.

                                                                            I wish I had some advice for you but I don’t have anything that hasn’t already been said to add. I am, however, here for support as I have been in a similar situation. My little Stormy was given a diagnosis of “probably cancer” and there was really no way to know for sure. It was very hard but you have to just take it one day at a time. Love your bunny and take as best care of her as you can (which you are obviously doing). And, of course, you have all of us to help you through it.

                                                                            (((((Vibes for Moxie))))))


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                                                                              I did end up going out… Not really any other updates though. Besides my thoughts about the x-ray,
                                                                              I’m assuming if she had cancer it would be early on, so would they even find anything right now with an x-ray? There is no signs on her for skin cancer that’s obvious, (which I heard is what that cancer attacks, skin and lungs?) no discoloration or any bumps/lumps. And wouldn’t they have maybe seen something in the trachea wash that screams cancer if it had progressed enough to be seen in an x-ray? Just my thoughts…I think I’m really just trying to deny it…I will get more info from the vets tomorrow (first hand).
                                                                              I’ll keep you all updated.


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                                                                                I’m too lazy to look back but if you’re getting the skin cells thing from LBJ and myself we were talking not necessarily skin cancer but cells lining the wall of the respiratory tract. Maybe I’m just messed up


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                                                                                  LBJ— Yes I have read your comments, I have read everybody’s comments. This has all been very stressful and a lot of information to take in. Please forgive me if I mess something up/miss something.

                                                                                  MB—Yes I understand what you are saying. when I was searching Carcinoma, all I could find was stuff for people really. It said that it was a skin/lung cancer, so that’s what I’ve been going on until I call the vets tomorrow…


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                                                                                    Moxie – Squamous cells are found throughout the body. They are the outer layer of cells on pretty much all surfaces. When people think cancer, they tend to think skin cancer. But if they were talking trachea/lungs, then they would be cancerous squamous cells of the trachea/lungs. There doesn’t seem to be information about rabbits, but there is for dogs. Symptoms in dogs include coughing/sneezing, wheezing, lethargy, loss of appetite, etc. The reason Megabunny and I were questioning the squamous cells that were found is because their presence may be the result of contamination. If the tube, for example, is scraping the side of the mouth or larynx then the cells could be scraped off and introduced into the stuff they are collecting through the wash. Hopefully that makes sense. Anyway, the squamous cells could become distorted during this process, meaning they might look weird but they don’t know if they are an indication of cancer or not.


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                                                                                      So I wrote down some questions to ask the vets tomorrow…(AKA a very long list) is there anything specific anybody can think of that I should ask them?


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                                                                                        What do you have so far?


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                                                                                          Okay here it goes, I will most likely ask all/most of these questions:

                                                                                          Were the Squamous found in the culture or from the trachea wash?

                                                                                          How common are these cells found during this?

                                                                                          How often does it mean it is cancerous?

                                                                                          What are the chances that Moxie could have cancer?

                                                                                          What type of x-rays would we be using to search for signs of cancer?

                                                                                          Would Moxie need to go under anesthesia for the x-ray?

                                                                                          What exactly would we be looking for during the x-ray?

                                                                                          What are the chances her symptoms could be being caused by Carcinoma?

                                                                                          How long would/could she love with Carcinoma?

                                                                                          If diagnosed for sure with Carcinoma, what should our plan of action be?

                                                                                          Any basic information you could share with me?

                                                                                          How common is Carcinoma in rabbits? Especially young ones like Moxie.

                                                                                          What are the symptoms for Carcinoma?

                                                                                          Is Carcinoma something a rabbit is born with?

                                                                                          How does it develope?

                                                                                          Are there any possible ways to slow it down/ stop it from progressing?

                                                                                          Is Carcinoma painful?

                                                                                          If we do the x-rays and the worst is confirmed, are you capable/equipped/prepared to guide us and provide proper medical care and pain medications for Moxie?

                                                                                          Have you ever dealt with Carcinoma or any cancers in rabbits?

                                                                                           

                                                                                          How rough is the medication for treating the Pasteurella and the steroids for the inflammation she will be on?

                                                                                          Should this be accompanied by probiotics?

                                                                                          What are the most common allergens for rabbits?

                                                                                          How would the Carcinoma effect Moxie?

                                                                                          Okay so is there anything else I should ask about the meds for the Pasteurella and inflammation? I can’t think of anything else…


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                                                                                            Those are some very well thought out questions Moxie! I can’t think of anything else but maybe others will! Take plenty of notes while you chat with the vet so you can go back and look it all over.


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                                                                                              I meant to type live not love.


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                                                                                                Those are all very good questions and it would be interesting is see what they say about how common it is (my guess, not very). If nothing else, the information might be useful for other people.

                                                                                                Good luck with the vet tomorrow! Hopefully they can put your mind at ease and help you make the best decision you can given the circumstances.


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                                                                                                  I just wanted to tell you good luck… I know all too well how hard this is. We’ll all be positive that this is treatable and that armed with all the info you need, you will get to the bottom of it.

                                                                                                  If it helps you at all… I’m currently nursing my sweet girl with Cancer. One of the hardest things I’ve ever done is to watch her health decline… but as angry as I have been that she has to go out this way, I had a sudden realization of what I would have felt like if I had just come downstairs one morning and found her passed. What if I had been busy the day prior and hadn’t spent any special time with her…. or if she didn’t get her favorite snack the day before… if it was just a regular day as any that was her last day. As much as I hate her to be sick, it’s been weeks now that my whole family has lavished huge amounts of love, attention, snacks, massages, kisses, on her. This bunny has been absolutely spoiled and bathed in love, and will be until she decides to go on her own, or we decide to release her from her discomfort. As much as I hate this, I also love this. As much as I’ve felt the obsessive need to comfort her – I’ve found her comforting me as well. As I kiss her head relentlessly, she actually battles with me to get her footing to kiss me back. We have an understanding now, till the end. I wouldn’t have this if I hadn’t known she was so sick, or if she left suddenly. There is a certain salvation in knowing the facts. You can’t always change the diagnosis, but you can truly embrace the gift of time.

                                                                                                  I’m praying that you get good news.


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                                                                                                    I did reply/post to your thread on Saturday Moxie and admittedly it took me a while as I got a little distressed – I couldn’t believe you were being faced with this dilemma, it’s so NOT fair! I came back late Saturday arvo to read everyone else’s replies only to see that my post wasn’t there? I wonder if I hit the cancel button instead of submit??? I will admit the screen was blurred as I wrote (yes, I cried) and it doesn’t help I do the stupidest things at the worst time……
                                                                                                    Anyhow, it’s not word for word, but this is what I wrote in reply to you.

                                                                                                    I am so sorry that you are having to endure what we all have to at some time in our lives with our loved one’s – doesn’t matter who you are, how young or old or what your beliefs are. Deep down in your gut you know what is right for you and Moxie, what is reasonable and affordable and most importantly you’ll rely ‘how you would want to be treated’ and will impose that same attitude onto those you love and care for.
                                                                                                    I have been in your situation twice now and the fact that I was in my 40’s didn’t make any difference than if I had of been 14 – I have always stopped and thought ‘what would I want done for me’??? And this is where my post could become 2 pages long or try as I might, I’ll try to keep it as short as I can – no promises, ha ha ha!
                                                                                                    Our Toy Poodle Molly – I KNOW he had cancer! No official diagnoses, nor the vet telling me his qualified opinion. I was fortunate he was old and lived a good life which I took immense comfort from. But once he started pooing blood I knew his time was almost up so my ONLY concern was to keep him pain free. My hubby took him to the vet and I made him promise me he would bring him home – he did! With pain meds! He passed away in our bedroom a week later. I sometimes feel selfish, maybe Molly should have been euthanized and I caused him a week of unnecessary pain? BUT I believe the vet would have insisted on euthanasia if he thought this was the case – he didn’t. So I admit I rely on the my vets educated opinion even though no one knows my babies the way I do. If the vet had of been insistent, I would have tried to have someone come and put him to sleep at home.

                                                                                                    Then we had Frank (bloody Frank!). He went lame – to this day we still do not know why, how, etc., but after spending a $1000 on him and the veterinary hospital telling us the only way to diagnose him was to invest a further (approx.) $7000 on tests we bought him home to die. I bought and made him his favourite meals, and we had to pick him up and put him outside for toileting, etc., it was devastating to do and watch, but that’s what you do when you truly love someone. Slowly, but surely, Frank came good. To this day (2, maybe 3 years later) except for a tremor in his back legs, you’d never know.

                                                                                                    I think what I am trying to say is – yes, if you have the resources ($) go for it – of coarse! But if you don’t or your funds are limited, doesn’t mean you love or will care for your pet any less. Just stop and think how you want to be treated in the same situation. ME? If nothing can be done, please keep my dignity, keep me comfortable AND clean, and most importantly, keep me pain FREE!
                                                                                                    I even did this for Fred who was a bird – doesn’t matter what they are, as their mum/carer’s we know them better than anyone – I knew Fred was dying and I did everything to make his last days/hours comfortable.

                                                                                                    Sorry for making my post so long, but I couldn’t explain my thoughts on the subject without sharing my experiences as they were both at the opposite extremes. And even harder….. if I had curable cancer – I would want to know. If I had INcurable cancer, I “think” I would prefer NOT to know – wasting time worrying over something you can’t do anything about. As long as the pain drug’s are available when required so I have a peaceful death sounds good to me. So before you start worrying over this and that and money, stop and think, reach right down into your gut – the answer will be there for you.

                                                                                                    Even though your my baby bunny daughter I have replied to you as a grown up adult – you have impressed me Moxie! So mature. No wonder I snapped you up! Your other mum (lol!) and family sound amazing – you are so lucky! I believe, regardless of the decision you make, it will be the right decision. I trust you completely to make the right decision on behalf of your baby Moxie and I will never doubt you.

                                                                                                    (((((MOXIE))))) x2! Topped off with lot’s and lot’s of hug’s!


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                                                                                                      Dam you Toni! Ha ha ha! I am crying AGAIN!


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                                                                                                        Toni’s post is exactly why I would want to know. We didn’t know Mysti had cancer, she didn’t get that extra attention or a special new toy. We didn’t know she was in pain because she was forever a puppy. It was just an ordinary day and then by that night she was gone. I think that’s why it was so hard on all of us.


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                                                                                                          I agree JR, BUT don’t you take comfort that Mysti didn’t even see it coming???
                                                                                                          I would like to ‘think’ that she wasn’t in debilitating pain as she showed no signs of it, and she passed not knowing.
                                                                                                          And…. if you make a fuss, don’t they pick up on that?

                                                                                                          Don’t get me wrong – once diagnosed and you have time, YESSS! But I always thought as long as it’s quick (and painLESS), isn’t ignorance bliss????
                                                                                                          Why worry/stress over something you can’t control???


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                                                                                                            I agree with Toni too. I wish I would have known and made Boston’s last days and weeks special.

                                                                                                            And I concur with Andi…you’ll make the best decision for your baby and whatever that decision is-Moxie knows you love her very much!


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                                                                                                              Great questions, Moxie.
                                                                                                              Toni, your post made me cry too.


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                                                                                                                Oh my goodness I’m tearing up reading the comments.
                                                                                                                Even if we find out or not, Moxie is definitely getting smothered with all the love, attention and treats, more than you could imagine! I think this experience has really showed me not to take life, or the life of my loved ones (even if they are pets) for granted. <3


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                                                                                                                  Hoping you had a chance to talk with the vet and hoping for good news…..


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                                                                                                                    I was very disappointed because I got so busy I was not able to call the vets today. I’m definitely calling them tomorrow.
                                                                                                                    I also think we’ve decided on waiting for the x-rays for now and treat the Pasteurella and Inflammation.
                                                                                                                    Quick question about the inflammation though, they said it could either be caused by parasites or allergies. She’s recently been treated for parasites, so I’m thinking allergies. So here is my actual question:
                                                                                                                    What are some common things buns are allergic to? Or what are your buns allergic to?

                                                                                                                    We do have 2 wood stoves, although they are down stairs and Moxie is in a room with the door closed and windows open.


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                                                                                                                      Moxie — take a look at these links. I know you all moved to a different house not too awful long ago — wondering if there is something in the new house (or used to prep the house) that may be bothering her. Also wonder if getting an air cleaner for your room would help. Have you changed hay sources? Could the hay have gotten dusty or could something have gotten on the hay? What about bedding/litter? Any strong odors that weren’t in the other house (ex. closer to the kitchen?)

                                                                                                                      http://m.petco.com/Content/ArticleList/Article/13/21/967/Rabbit-Allergies.aspx

                                                                                                                      http://www.smallanimalchannel.com/rabbits/rabbit-health/do-rabbits-have-allergies.aspx

                                                                                                                      http://www.examiner.com/article/signs-of-airborne-allergies-the-house-rabbit


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                                                                                                                        {{{Moxie}}}
                                                                                                                        Any chance that she could be allergic to the parasite treatment? My parents had a cat that was not only allergic to fleas, but also to the flea-treatment medicines. It’s just a thought.

                                                                                                                        Lots of love and vibes!


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                                                                                                                          I am a bit confused about how this name Toni came up but I sure am crying with Andy’s comment. 

                                                                                                                          MM, sorry I haven’t check in with you for a while, I was all caught up with Toki’s thing. But I cant seems to get you out of my head. Like Andy said your so mature and wise. The decision you make will be right. Moxie is your baby. Mothers wants whats best for her babies. And your the youngest yet so mature, wonderful and amazing mum. 

                                                                                                                          My endless thoughts and prayers are with you and Moxie!

                                                                                                                          ((((lots and lots of hugs and vibes))))


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                                                                                                                            Okay, so I called the vets today but Moxie’s vet wasn’t in so she’ll call us tomorrow. But I got the lab results in the mail today. Here is pretty much what it says:

                                                                                                                            That the Squamous cells were suspected to be superficial and were lacking “abnormalities” but Cancer couldn’t be ruled out completely without “further testing.” But I think that’s good…

                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                            Okay and here’s this. Friday the vets called us up and gave us the results but also asked us to pay and bring Moxie in for another culture. Well on the lab report we got today, it only gave results for the trachea washed and ASKED/SUGGESTED for a culture. We already PAID and brought Moxie in for a culture! What happened to it? I am super annoyed, they better not have messed up and tried not to tell us. Will get more info tomorrow when the vets call back.

                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                            Oh, and since we Moved everything is pretty much the same. Actually she’s farther away from the kitchen. Her diet is the same, no new cleaners, ect. (and I use vinegar/water to clean in the room Moxie is in) I honestly have no clue…


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                                                                                                                              You have to check that out first thing tomorrow.

                                                                                                                              Good that the squamous cells had no abnormalities.


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                                                                                                                                Was the parasite treatment for fleas/mites or internal parasite?


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                                                                                                                                  Sounds to me like those squamous cells were scraped off from somewhere then. You can ask the vet about it when they call back.


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                                                                                                                                    She was treated for fleas/mites and internal parasites. So she is free of both.


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                                                                                                                                      I’ve bleached Moxie’s water bottle, food bowl and litter pan so far. Tomorrow I’m going to be bleaching her home base.

                                                                                                                                      And don’t worry about the bleaching, it’s done in a bleach:water solution, rinsed, soaked in water for several hours and rinsed again. There is no bleach on them or smell to them when I give them back to Moxie.


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                                                                                                                                        If she may have had fleas or mites, I wouldn’t be a bit surprised if the inflamation was from that.


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                                                                                                                                          As I think you’ve already deduced, I’m guessing they just had to say that about the cancer to cover their butts. Oh, I’d be out of my mind if they didn’t do a culture and had told you that’s what they were doing and you paid for and they didn’t culture. Oh boy


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                                                                                                                                            I know, we paid close to $200 for the culture, and about another $200 for the trachea wash. And then they call me 2 days after her culture/trachea wash asking me to pay for another culture? And then on the reports it only talks about the trachea wash and it said something like “And a Culture/sensitivity test is highly recommended.”

                                                                                                                                            Hopefully there’s just a misunderstanding somewhere and they will correct it/explain it. :^/


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                                                                                                                                              I know and expect for you to be stressed out Moxie, but are YOU ok??? I miss YOU terribly. Did anything in my post upset you? If so, I am sorry and I completely understand, everyone has different opinions – if you have anything you want to say to me but not in this thread, you know you can PM me.
                                                                                                                                              I am worried about you worrying. And I miss my Moxie!

                                                                                                                                              I am sorry that I am no help with the tests and your vet – I truly am unfamiliar with everything your baby is going through and I don’t want make your concern worse by adding something I really don’t know anything about. You know I’m the worst bunny mum on BB – I dropped Henry off to be neutered and as I waved goodbye I called out ‘call me when he’s fixed’, not so much meaning his surgery, but him to stop peeing on us and in my cup of tea! But my concern is genuine and you know how much I adore your Moxie and you. I hate you being so worried and sad.


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                                                                                                                                                I agree Megabunny, they probably had to mention any and all possibilities even though they were not terribly worried that it was actually cancer.


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                                                                                                                                                  No no no AH, you haven’t upset me at all! What makes you think so? Have I said something to upset/offend you? If so ‘I’ am very very sorry! <3
                                                                                                                                                  But I’m doing okay, a little less stressed out after reading the lab reports, but now am kinda annoyed with the vets. They close in about three hours and were supposed to call me yesterday! But I’m okay.


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                                                                                                                                                    Oh goodness, Moxie, I’m only seeing this topic now.

                                                                                                                                                    Pets are difficult in that you can never know what they’re thinking until they start showing signs which can be too late. Moxie is lucky that she has you as her mommy because you care so much that if you had that money you’d drop it immediately for her. Some pet owners see that as way too much and never even consider it an option.

                                                                                                                                                    When I was younger, my family had a parakeet and we soon found out he was a she once she laid an egg in her cage one day. A few months passed and we came home to find out she was trying to lay another egg but prolapse and it was stuck inside of her. We rushed her to the vet and spent $60 on a $16 parakeet to try to save her. They were able to remove the egg and help with the prolapse, but unfortunately later that night something happened and she passed away. Up until then, though, we lined her cage with a towel in case she couldn’t stand on her perch and kept her in a quiet corner of the living room to keep her comfortable.

                                                                                                                                                    You need to do what you can do for Moxie. So far it sounds like things are a little clearer and a little less scary after you got those results back, and I’m sending vibes for Moxie and you. I’m with other posters that you can spoil her and show her all the love you can until she gets better or further medical care is needed, and no matter what happens, Moxie knows and will feel your love. I’m so sorry you have to go through this, but I’ll say it again: I am so thankful that Moxie has such a loving bunny mommy!


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                                                                                                                                                      Thank you MeketatenBun.

                                                                                                                                                      So we got to talk to the vets today, the follow post (will most likely be a rant) will explain it further.


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                                                                                                                                                        Okay so here’s t story:

                                                                                                                                                        When we went to the vets a few weeks ago, our vet said we would do a culture and a trachea wash.  She gave us the price quote, and we waited for the baytril to leave Moxie’s body so we would not get false negatives. So we bring her in and we assume they are going to do what they TOLD us they were going to do. Well after we got the lab reports (that we had to tell them to mail to us) we seemed that the culture’s results weren’t on there, and they were asking us to pay for another one! So, we were just able to get in contact with them today to discuss the matter.

                                                                                                                                                        Apparently while Moxie was under, they had a “CHANGE OF PLANS.”  So they just ended up doing a ______(I forget what it’s called, I’ll check later. It stats with a cy) and charged us the price of a culture for that. 

                                                                                                                                                        Well funny thing is, they do that anyway during a trachea wash, so we pretty much got RIPPED OFF! And they didn’t even notify us of this “Change in plans”?

                                                                                                                                                        And then they told us to “check our receipt” to see what we paid for! The vets should have told me that they didn’t end up doing the culture! I’m very mad! The vets told me they were doing one thing, and did another!

                                                                                                                                                        I am going to “express my concerns” directly to the vets friday when we bring Moxie in for a check up and steroids.


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                                                                                                                                                          Ugh. That’s so frustrating! I’m sorry your have to deal with all of this… And incompetence/shady practices on top of it!


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                                                                                                                                                            Moxie good for you for standing your ground! I look forward to hearing how it goes on Friday. How frustrating!


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                                                                                                                                                              I’m not too sure how to approach this though, because I don’t want Moxie to be dropped as a client. They are literally like the only people who are knowledgeable about rabbits around us. The only other place is like 4 hours away, so kinda unreasonable for how often she has been needed to be brought in. So there’s not much we can do… *Sigh* I wish they would do something like offer to give her another culture for free, or give us the meds for free (not even near to how much they charged us, ) or an apology! But I don’t really see any of that happening. :^/


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                                                                                                                                                                You need to express your concerns, but go about it in a careful and respectful way. State that you were told this was going to happen and was told that happened instead and that you were not notified of what was being performed on your pet before it was done and charged for. Maybe even bring up that you though what they did was already included in the trachea wash. As long as you’re calm about it and genuinely listen to their responses, it’s very possible that they may credit you a culture for free or give a discount or perhaps refund you the price of what they did. A good vet shouldn’t want to lose a client as long as the client is trying to work with the vet as well. It’d be one thing if you went in yelling and purple in the face – they’d rather drop you and forget about that problem, but keep it collected and they should try to meet you somewhere in the middle at least. It may be that you need to write down another list of things to say though! I know I’m awful at remembering what to say when I’m concentrating on not starting a flame war, haha


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                                                                                                                                                                  Meke is right. I’ve said it before, but I’ll say it again, and it’s along Meke’s line…
                                                                                                                                                                  “I don’t understand (Those 3 words being the biggest part of this, though I can’t figure out how to bold them, despite the option to do so) why everything we had expected wasn’t done all at the same time so Moxie wouldn’t go through anesthesia twice. Did something more need to be done to have collected the sample for culture?”
                                                                                                                                                                  Don’t be afraid to ask a question you already know the answer to (I’m sure they wouldn’t have needed to do anything different)
                                                                                                                                                                  Sounds to me like you’re maybe thinking of the word “Cytology” as they looked at the cells. But why would you want to do this stuff in stages when it required anesthesia and much more work for THEM if not the stress on Moxie. And you should be confused about the charge for culture. They didn’t do it! I’d try the meds first and ask for money back. Pull the “I have to rely on my parents to pay for this and it’s getting to be a strain on their finances” card. It’s not a lie, even if it isn’t a big strain, it’s still money they’re agreeing on for a rabbit. Yes, I said that. But you’re talking to the person who spent summers as a child, picking weeds and clover by the road and feeding slices of dried bread because her dad said he wasn’t paying for pellets in the summer…”there’s a whole yard full of free food.” (Wish I’d known he could have eaten the apple branches that were there.) We couldn’t afford money for anything unnecessary. And couldn’t even THINK about getting a dog or cat, although I did think about it a LOT.
                                                                                                                                                                  And yes, they all make mistakes. Vets are human too! But they should make it right. At least you have other treatments to try, so I’m not sure I’d race back in for further tests, especially when they will likely charge you AGAIN for anesthesia and any other incidentals that go along with another visit. You’re in a tough spot. You can’t burn your bridges and be travelling to a vet 4 hours away. That’s really nuts, especially if it’s not you who is doing all the driving, not to mention the enormous travel time for our Moxie.
                                                                                                                                                                  This is just my opinion, though. I hope I’m not sounding too bossy. Easy for me to sit here and dole out my opinion. Quite another for you to be living it.


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                                                                                                                                                                    Ha ha, don’t worry I’d never yell at the vets purple in the face. I generally like to avoid all conflict so the problem is me working up the courage to say something at all! lol
                                                                                                                                                                    And really after this vet visit and meds there’s not too much else we can do, we’ve spent up everything we really can for the time being plus some…! So I just really hope that these meds and steroids fix the sneezing.


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                                                                                                                                                                      Oh and yes, Cytology was the word I was thinking of!


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                                                                                                                                                                        I think the main concern I would point out to the vet isn’t so much that it wasn’t done at the time (things happen and sometimes plans have to change on the spot)… but for some reason you were billed for it and led to believe that you were waiting on the culture to come back. No one addressed the change in procedure, and if it were a human child going through the same thing there would be hell to pay. I would find out how much the cytology would have cost by itself.. and bring in any paperwork that says you’ve paid for the tracheal and culture. Let them know that you trust they are trying to do what’s best for Moxie but that you need to know what’s going on and that it’s upsetting to find out that you got incorrect information or paperwork when it concerns your bunny’s health and well-being. I would also be tempted to see if there was any way that you could get an accurate record of what has been done so far (it should be in her chart, whether it made it to your bill or not), so that you can keep proper health records for her in case you have to go to an emergency vet. They should understand that.

                                                                                                                                                                        *hugs* I wish you luck! {{{VIBES}}}


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                                                                                                                                                                          Def. see if you have a refund coming. I find this really interesting because someone recently had a rabbit with stuff in its nose and the first thing the vet wanted to consider was allergies. That sounded odd to me but now here’s Moxie. I wonder what meds they’ll give her


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                                                                                                                                                                            It’s often a very frustrating task dealing with vets…. it’s been the most frustrating part of being a bunny parent. I’m sorry you have to go through this…… just remember to speak your mind – – – you’re paying for their services and it’s very important to advocate for yourself. At times, I’ve gone into the vets and told them I wasn’t happy with current treatment or recommendations, and got them to listen and change course when I knew something was not right. I know this is hard if the solutions are not obvious.

                                                                                                                                                                            Sorry for the emotional outpour in my earlier post, didn’t mean to start so many waterfalls. Don’t get me wrong… if I could choose my Radar having gone quick and suddenly, I would. I only meant that there is pros/cons about both scenarios (a quick/sudden or long journey to the end)….. we don’t get to choose, but that there is a silver lining in the longer path.

                                                                                                                                                                            Good luck….. you’re a great bunny mama! And we’re here if you need us.


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                                                                                                                                                                              MB— I believe they are still giving her baytril, but given twice a day. And then they are giving her a steroid (injection steroid) for the inflammation…

                                                                                                                                                                              Thank you all for all of the support during this very stressful time.


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                                                                                                                                                                                See how awesome you are Moxie. When I feel wronged, I usually react passionately and make it worse, *SIGH*! You have no idea how many places I have stopped doing business with over (let’s call it) poor customer service. And some times it’s to my detriment, but I get so angry and I can’t deal with people who are ignorant or upset me. You put me to shame how you can handle this calmly whilst making your concerns clear – you so impress me!

                                                                                                                                                                                And ‘no way’ Moxie did you upset me (as if you could? Never!). I just thought you were a little quiet on the chat thread, not your normal ‘out there’ self after I originally posted and hoped it was nothing I said that upset YOU? I couldn’t stand that. And I know how worried you are – I truly hate that! I was just missing our bubbly/out there Moxie. You obviously have no idea how much you brighten my day on BB!


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                                                                                                                                                                                  Awww. Thanks AH! (You had me worried for a second that “I” offended YOU!)

                                                                                                                                                                                  (Maybe I’ll make up for being a little quiet by naming Nora’s new bun for you all? No need to thank me. he he he  )

                                                                                                                                                                                   


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                                                                                                                                                                                    Nooooooo Moxie! I am naming Nora’s new bunny! I am so hoping it is a girl and her name is going to be Henrietta!
                                                                                                                                                                                    I swear, if she choses a name that LBJ or JR suggests, I am going to throw a tantrum worse than any 2yo that you have ever seen!

                                                                                                                                                                                    LOL!

                                                                                                                                                                                    PS – Never Moxie! Impossible!


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                                                                                                                                                                                      Now I want to see what an AH tantrum looks like!


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                                                                                                                                                                                        It’s not pretty JR!!!

                                                                                                                                                                                        Lol!


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                                                                                                                                                                                          Oh MM, so sorry you had to go through with it. I dont know whats more annoying, making a boo boo in the first place and istead of saying they did a booboo or trying cover there butt. I am so proud of you of how your handling all this so well. If it was me, i probably would be panicking to the very end. ( you of all the people would know how fast i panick lol)
                                                                                                                                                                                          Like everyone here adviced you should be able to speak about it confront in a decent way. Question them..

                                                                                                                                                                                          Love you and My sweet Moxie ((lots of support and hugg vibes))


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                                                                                                                                                                                            Okay so I guess they didn’t get enough of a swab for a culture? Something like that anyways, but I’m not going to dwell on it because it’s behind us and there’s really nothing we can do about that now…

                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                             So today at the vets Moxie got her Steroid for the inflammation. They did say that if Moxie had a cancerous mass, that the steroid could potentially be dangerous by lowering her immune system ect. They said if she took a turn for the worse within the next few weeks then we would know she had another underlying problem like carcinoma. So tomorrow we start the antibiotics again. 2 times a day. It will be for three weeks. So let’s hope the steroids will be fine and the antibiotics will clear this up finally!

                                                                                                                                                                                             

                                                                                                                                                                                            Oh, and on the way to the vets we stopped at the drive through at McDonalds to get a soda and iced coffee. The lady at the window saw Moxie in the car (the windows were rolled down) and goes “Oh my goodness what a HUGE bunny!”(<— That was pretty much her expression) and then my mother told (jokingly) that I should get one of those Continental Giants and walk it around.


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                                                                                                                                                                                              Yes, wouldn’t you love to watch the looks on people’s faces when a giant bunny pops its head up!! Drive-thru, stop light, etc!


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                                                                                                                                                                                                Ha ha yeah I know JR! And actually we forgot Moxie’s sheet that goes over her cage, so the people in the vet’s waiting room were whispering to each other “Look at that bunny!” (And she was the only bunny in there, the others were dogs). I have never really thought she was big, but everybody who sees her thinks she is huge! lol!


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                                                                                                                                                                                                  Moxie — although she isn’t tiny, non-bunny people don’t realize just how much fur bunnies can have!


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                                                                                                                                                                                                    Ha ha, True! True!


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                                                                                                                                                                                                      I’m sure Moxie looks huge with all that angora fur. I love going to the vet. He’s so heavy I leave his carrier in the car and just carry him in and people freak out. I love showing off that you can actually PET him ha ha. People don’t realize how lovey bunnies can be.


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                                                                                                                                                                                                        Oh, and at the vets, I’m glad I left Moxie in the car while we checked in. (Her cage is like a small/medium sized wire dog crate, not meant for being carried around!) Because the plumber set the fire alarm off and it was LOUD. He set the alarm off right as I was walking out the door, and I froze because I thought I had set the alarm off ha ha! But then I just kept walking and hoped nobody would be mad at me lol! But then I found out it was the plumber so all was okay.


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                                                                                                                                                                                                          Megabunny — You are brave just carrying Gus in to the vet! Marlee and Moshi would jump right out of my arms at the first hint of strange smells — even just getting out of the car!


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                                                                                                                                                                                                            Yeah, JR. He’s spoiled me. Not that he doesn’t try to get down when he wants, but at the vet he’s good about just hanging in my arms.


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                                                                                                                                                                                                              I doubt Moxie would tolerate that MB! She loves to be held and petted, but once I stand up she wants down! LOL!


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                Megabunny — I bet you get some looks there. As big as Gus is and tiny as you are sitting there holding him, and him doing the helicopter ear thing looking around!


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                                                                                                                                                                                                                  I can just imagine it.

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                                                                                                                                                                                                              Forum HOUSE RABBIT Q & A Moxie’s test results came back. They aren’t good.