My Toki is active now…and my options are scary

[Tokii]

First of all thank you, MM,Megabunny,LEL and BrunosMama for responding. Really helped me to calm a bit talk even though it was through PM back and forth. Really appreciate your concern. 

So the worst has started to happen. Toki is sexually active. Yeah, the whole humping and stuff.  My baby is no longer a baby. Hes following me around to the annoyance level. Last night I tried to barricade my self with piece of wood from my bedroom door to the living room. Afterwards he would just poke his head like a sad puppy making me feel even worse. And people who are familiar with Bacci inflammation issue, you would know how I got to have a Vet’s number and there aren’t much option for Vets. Just one so far who works for The ministry of fisheries and agriculture. So I called him and explained everything to him. And his respond was, its natural to happen when they reach certain age you could punish it when it tries to hump again. Seriously, punish a bunny? your kidding me right? They dont even understand punishment. So I hesitated and I told him I want to spay/neuter him and I would like to talk to him before doing that.

Now I know this was bound to happen sooner or later. But my concern is I don’t think this vet had fixed a bunny. I dont know whether if I should risk Toki getting fixed by him . If not do I have to abandon Toki? I cant do that. Toki is my baby. I don’t have any other option for a vet. This is the only Vet here in Male'(Capital city of Maldives). I am not sure there are other Vets in other island either. I mean if you google you will come across a lot of Maldivian sounding desperate in need of a Vet help online. So yeah basically I am screwed. 

The fact that this Vet has done a lot of cats ad dog fixing, should it relieves me or still worry ?

I have gone extreme measures for their health safety and searching good food for them here. And right now I feel so hopeless. And I hate feeling hopeless with this. It is moment like these I hate my country and the government for all this! Do you know how many stray cats are piling up here in Male’? no wait..Maldives!  yeah beyond countable. And I noticed there’s an alarming rate of cats with some sort of skin issue, and I see them eating small grasses on the pavement they come across. So cruel. Government dont give a S#!% ! 

[Bam]

Bunnies need special anesthesia, not the same as cats and dogs. I’m sure you can find online info, theres is f ex info on House Rabbit Society, http://rabbit.org/faq-spaying-and-neutering/ .You could share that with the vet who probably is interested in learning as much as he can. I agree you can’t punish away sexual behaviors in a bunny. They become like a bunny possessed. I tried for the longest time (a couple of months) to not neuter my first bunny, but the situation just got worse and worse.

If your other option is to abandon or get rid of Toki, I can only see that you have to try and trust this vet, who apart from the punishing-advice seems ok, from what you’ve told us about how he treated Bacci’s poop-mucus-issue.

[Tokii]

Thank you bam, i guess your right. We have called the Vet and he said he will drop by to our place so that we could talk about it. So before he come I better read about the anesthesia thing. thank you once again bam.

[Bam]

Here’s more info: http://www.bio.miami.edu/hare/opcare.htm

Obviously you have to disregard the fact that your vet hasn’t yet neutered rabbits. That is of course meant for people who have a range of vets to choose from. Surgery-wise it’s not a huge procedure, not at all like a female neuter. Sending you lots of comforting vibes. ((((((((Tokii)))))))

[Tokii]

Ooohhhh baaaaaam!!!!!! I just talked to the Vet!!! I am dancing with happiness!! It seems that the vet had already fixed alot of bunnies back from his country. I asked him about the anesthesia thing and he already knows and explained very well about it. Yeyyyyyy!! oh my god!! Luck is at my side. He is came and observed toki’s private part and confirmed it ia about time to do it. He understood how scared i was and wasnt at all offended when i kept shooting endless question. Was patient and made me understand little by little. He also explained even if he is using different type of anesthesia for bunny risk are there when using anesthesia not only bunny also humans too.
We are fixing toki tomorrow. I have to keep him fastin for two hours i think.

[Bam]

Yay!!!
Great news!!! I’m so happy for you!!!

Although the fasting isn’t actually important, they can eat right up to the surgery just as long as there isn’t food in his mouth and/or esophagus when he goes under. 2 hours will hardly make a difference though as long as he eats before that.

He sounds like a very nice guy, your vet.

[MoxieMeadows]

Yay, so glad everything is working out!!

(((((Safe neuter vibes and happy mommy)))))

[MoxieMeadows]

Keep us updated!!!

[Tokii]

I tried to reply to this thread twice and it didnt deliver. Lt me try again..

Thank you bam, he sure is a nice vet. He even asked me if i wantef to do it right there and then so i am assuming fasting isnt necessary after all. Now the doubt is clear now i am nervous with the fixing. This is my first and all that. Hehe

MM: thanks MM! and also oncr again thank you for last night. I was panicking and you guys helped me. I am truely blessed by having such helpful abd wonderful friends.i will update for sure!!!

Thank you!!!

[BrunosMama]

Glad to hear the vet can help. I can imagine being harassed by a bunny is no fun!

Best wishes for Toki and mommy on his procedure.

[Bam]

Safe neuter vibes ((((((((Toki)))))))

I was very, very nervous too when Bam was getting fixed. I was full of doubts and fears. But fellow BBers were so supportive and great and the neuter went perfectly and turned out to be a great success. (Just ask my dog, she was the one that Bam choose to harass with his relentless courting.)

Keep us posted. I’ll be thinking of you tomorrow.

[Hazel]

Fasting isn’t necessary for bunnies, because they can’t vomit. Not eating for too long can lead to GI stasis so it’s important for them to keep eating until right before the surgery, because afterwards they might refuse food for a bit. I’m so glad that you found a vet that you feel comfortable with! I hope everything goes well!

[LongEaredLions]

YAY!
((((Vibes)))) for Toki’s neuter!
So glad you got something to work!

[Tokii]

Thank you brunosmama,bam and hazel. Ok i will be sure to give him some food before fixing. Thank you for the advice.

One more thing, today toki seems to be alright. Very calm and begging for patting. Making me think am i doing the right thing? Ofcourse i am but why i am i having second thoughts. And i have one question too. Right after the fixing will he be the same? I mean like every morning waking me up asking to pat and kissing my hand until i wake up an give him his small carrot or at times mint leaves. Please tell me those daily route wont change.

[Bam]

It was the same with Bam, as soon as I’d booked his appointment I suddenly thought his behavior improved. I even unbooked his first appt for that reason. I had to rescedule a few weeks later though.

Toki’s behavior will most likely be subdued the first 24-48 hs after the neuter. He will be groggy from the anaesthetics + painkillers. He may need extra warmth and an open water bowl. If he doesn’t eat, poop and/or pee in 24 hrs, you have to syringe feed him. CC is the best thing but you can use ground up pellets + water. Ask the vet about pain-killers, some distribute a long-lasting painkiller during surgery, some prefer to give you a prescription for metacam (most often) to be used if there’s signs of pain (tooth-grinding etc).

He may on the other hand be very alert, my Yohio started eating the moment he came home and it was like nothing even happened.

Behavior-wise Toki may then go through some changes almost like mood-swings, for the first 2-4 weeks, sometimes even longer. He may become extra sexual, he may be territorial and growl and even try to nip you f ex. This is perfectly normal and will subside if everything is as it should be.

As for affection, both my boys are way more affectionate now than they were before they were neutered. Yohio, who was neutered young is like crazy affectionate. He sleeps in my bed. He wakes me in the mornings with kisses on my cheek or ear (if I don’t respond to his just jumping repeatedly on my head), he comes and pushes his head under my foot when I’m sitting at my desk.

[MoxieMeadows]

I’m just glad I could help Tokii, if only to help you keep calm!

Bam described it perfectly.

I just want to echo that Toki may be a little “crazy” for a few weeks or so while hormones ect. leave the body.

[Tokii]

Oh i missed Lel.. thanks LEL!!! you helped me greatly too.

It is 2:37am here and i was toss and turning, constantly checking up on toki. And then i couldnt help it and thought of login in bb. And i am glad i did so. I saw your explaination Bam, and i feel sleepy now. I think my nervouse is lifting a bit and feeling sleepy. Lol thanks. I should have done this earlier lol!!!! What is cc?

Thanks MM. loads of love to my diva moxie

[Deleted User]

OMG Tokki! I just read in the chat thread that your concerned and thanks Moxie for the link to bring me straight here! I’m sorta pleased I caught the ‘end’ of your thread (he he he) otherwise I would have worried for you too. Super happy to know your vet turned out to be not only knowledgeable, but wonderful!
BTW, CC (critical care) is a bunny food for IF your Tokki doesn’t eat after surgery/illness. I wonder if you can get it in your Country? If not, try some baby food. But let’s be positive and hope that Tokki will recover fine, eat well and you won’t need to rely on CC. But it’s good to know/have this information just in case.
When Henry had his neuter, as horrible as this may sound…. I was excited (cause he was SO naughty! Lol!) that I never worried about him once. I was so looking forward to getting my brand NEW Henry back, ha haha ha! And just like bam with her Yohio – you’d never think he had a procedure done, he recovered just fine and I didn’t change a thing when he came home, I left him to decide what he was up too. I thought restricting him or changing anything may stress him, so left everything be.
It took about 4 weeks for Henry to improve his behaviour and I still swear Henry’s neuter was the BEST money I ever spent! LOL!

(((((VIBES))))) to Tokki AND mum & dad!

[LBJ10]

Tokii – If he has done lot’s of bunnies before then I think Toki will be fine. Neutering is much less invasive than spaying. Glad everyone was able to calm you and make you feel better.

[Megabunny]

Tomorrow?? Wow!! That’s great. So much news going on. Will hope to hear good things soon

[BinkyMom14]

Just wanted to PPP in and say that I will be sending vibes for you and Tokii tomorrow! I had my bun neutered fairly young (right when he was old enough for it) and he recovered fast and his behavior never changed he’s still the sweeheart he was before. Of course every bun is different but wanted to let you know of my success story and I understand your nervousness, my hubby and I were so anxious and worried when we had it done, but it is for the food of the bun! Ill be waiting to see how everything goes!

[Tokii]

Andy: hehe thank you. I didnt want to worry you because I know your going through getting a Chicken situation hehe kidding.  But I am glad you here now. And thank you for the info, yeah I am not sure its available here but I will do a research if not like you said I will try the baby food and when you say baby food you actually do mean the ones we feed human babies right?  I am hoping Toki would turn out the same way too. I love the daily route we go through. Even though at times I go all crazy when he wakes me up for petting at 3 am. But its all worth having a bunny. Being do loved.

At first when we finished talking to the vet I was all tensed and worried mean while Toki’s dad was all “Yeyyyy chop chop day tomorrow!”

 I know my husband can be really jealous with the fact that Toki loves me more than he does to him but that insensitivity ended with a smack on his arm. Never provoke a nervous mummy.  LOL!!

LBJ10: Yes, I am glad I have all of you. Its like my cyber family from BB 

Megabunny: Yes I am now both a bit nervous yet soo excited!! Thank you Megabunny ((hugg))

Binkymom: Thank you, it makes me happy to know it succeeded. Since Toki is fairly small too.  Thank you 

Its 4:54pm here. Toki is all relaxed. The Vet will be here around 8 pm and the process will be done on 8:30pm. Oh my god! i just realized since hes a mobile Vet he will be doing things here at my apartment. I will see the procedure. Toki’s dad is all excited to watch the process but I think the minute doctor takes out the gloves I will be crying falling on to my knees and go all..

“OH PLEASE OH PLEASE DONT! I CHANGE MY MIND!! LEAVE TOKI ALONE HES PERFECT JUST THE WAY HE IS!! TOOOKII BABBYYY COME TO MUMMY!”” SOB SOB…… I can already see the whole scene now… and the very same night I will be

“TOKI !! STOP IT!! IT’S MUMMY’S ARM!! LEAVE ME ALONE!! HONEEEYYYYYYYYYY TOKI’S HUMPING AGAIN!!”

HUGSS TO ALL

[Bam]

=)

Regarding baby-food: yes, the type you buy in little glass jars for when babies first start eating real food. Obviously NOT dinner-type food like beef stew, veggie or fruit purées are what you want =) Baby food is (at least here) unsweetened (no sugar added) and preservative free, that’s why it’s a good product for bunnies.

If that’s not available, it will work with pellets-mush (ground pellets + water). That’s what I gave Bam. Hopefully Toki will be eating on his own though, it’s good if you have some of his favorite greens available for when he wakes up.

I don’t know if I could watch my own pet under the knife. I probably wouldn’t.

Best, best wishes!!! Hope to hear good news later in the day!!!

[Megabunny]

I’m in hysterics!!!! Tokii I just have this vision in my mind of how you look, talk and bounce off the walls at home. You are just the funniest thing!!!
Hubby is lucky he only got punched on the arm for that comment. Hit him again for me. Honestly, these husbands!
Now I understand why the vet came to you. I didn’t understand why he would do that. We don’t have any vets doing surgery outside of their buildings here. I’m guessing your vet at least will do the surgery in his truck??? And was it really a nighttime procedure or did you mean morning (am?) Not that it matters. I just want to be sure I have all the facts straight! Wouldn’t want to miss out!
It’s all probably done by now, and SIRI tells me it’s about 6 pm over there, so maybe it isn’t done yet. I’m stunned your husband thinks he wants to watch. Most men don’t want it done to their pets at all. Oh boy. I sure hope all is well in Maldives!

[Tokii]

Bam: Yeah maybe I should do the grind the pellets and mix it water thing too. 

Megabunny: LOL trust me I will kick him again. I kick him once because even though the whole discussing was over the Vet was there. Otherwise I swear I would have done alot worse.  And a while ago I asked him how come hes so calm about this and he wants to watch the whole process. His reply was,its because he have this hope, after the fixing he just might be able to carry Toki and Toki will be so much closer to him too. For a minute I was awwww… and wait how is that relevant to the reason you want to watch the process?? and then he said someone have t be strong and honestly hes scared with all this anesthesia thing. And then I couldn’t kill his hope by breaking the new of.. “Oh honey, I hate to break it to you but a lot of bunny don’t let you carry them even after the fixing” that would be just cruel. Imagine his horror, I can already hear his heart shatter to pieces .LOL 

By the way, there is no truck, they are performing it inside the apartment. I just got online to BB after preparing the the table. Cleaning the whole area with Dettol.  Now imagine my horror!! I will be sitting here in the bed room while I know a few feets away the fixing is happening. 

Its 7:54pm now. My hubby went to pick up the Vet………………..processing the whole thing………………beep…beeep……. BEEEPPPP…..heart rate increasing. 

[Megabunny]

Oh my!! You do live in a different world, don’t you Tokii?? I feel so awful for you! You should go for a walk or visit someone. I guess I’ll give your husband some points for worrying about anesthesia! The hubbys need all the points they can get sometimes!!

All the best! Hugs and more hugs, friend

[Tokii]

When he comes i will tell him that hes safe just because Megabunny gave some points for worrying. Hehehe. Otherwise bunny mums wrath awaits him.lol
Yeah even hubby insisted me to go to my mums place. But somehow i cant seems to get away from toki. Hes right here with me. All cozying up next to me. Oh my god! It just hit me…everything is happening. Maybe i should just pick Toki and runaway! I still have time right?

[Tokii]

I just took this pic…

[Bam]

Aww, he’s such a beautiful boy!!!

Many hugs from me and my buns. I can totally see how you want to stay close. It’s how mums are I suppose!
How incredibly sweet of bunny-daddy to want to carry Toki around! Too bad a neuter probably won’t change Toki’s view on being carried by a human.

[Tokii]

Its 8:52pm and they are still not here. My hubby said hes buying distilled water because the vet told so and they are on their way now…..

[Megabunny]

Still thinking of you

[BinkyMom14]

Hoping everything is going smoothly! Anxiously waiting for an update

[Tokii]

Ah, ok.. let me see if I can write the whole thing… first the doc came wity his warm and caring heart. I was so nervous i blabbered about how I have cleaned the whole place with dittol and he said “did you say dittol? Thats not good” and then i looked at him dumbly not knowing how to react. And then he laughed and said that he was joking and he can see how sad i looked. Then he gave anesthetic to toki and asked us to let him go to his room. For a while toki ran and later struggled to walk. Honestly it wasnt nice to see him struggle such so i burst into tears and difficulty to breath kick in. Damn asthma always kick im the wrong time. My hubby just kept looking at toki, wanting to hold him and kiss him. I can tell he teared up but try to be manly not to. And as toki fell unconcious we carried him and embrace yourself for what is about to happen.

Me and my hubby was assiting the doc to the process..yes… let that sink in for a minute.. i was trembling meanwhile my hubby was holding tokis mouth. The doc knew i was in bad condition, well both of us so he talked us through out the procedure. He asked me to focus in toki’s resperatory, asked me to look at his stomach and i will be assured that hes alive. That really did help me. And as he started cutting. My hubby turned away and i focused on the breathing giving me self assurance that toki is alive. Then came the other challenge. After cutting and takin out one side with a scissor thing, he asked me to hold the scissor…yes…sink that in too…the nervous, asmathatic mother doing all that. I did hold it and thought i would faint but thanks to the doc i didnt. He kept talking to us both. Questioning and ocupying our mind. When it was about to do the otherside, me and my hubby werent much scared. We actually grew stronger and watch the whole stitching process too.
Right after the last stitch toki woke up. And the doc was happy with such respond. He gave antibiotic injection.
After the whole fixing, my husband didnt leave toki’s side. So i assisted the doc with the rest. And afterwards it was as if nothing big happened doc drank milo chatted with my hubby and asked to call if anything happened and left…
Still sinking everything to my head

[Bam]

You and hubby are brave and strong people, Tokii! What an incredible adventure.

The doc sounds great!

Thank you for reporting so swiftly, we are of course all worrying about you =)

More hugs!

[BinkyMom14]

Wow you are the bravest person I know! I’m so glad everything went well!!! Yay Tokii!!!

[Tokii]

I was crying as i was posting above msg because toki was all drowsy yet tries to walk and fall.and he was lying like he was…. well you know. Well afterwards i let him retreat to his hide hole. Then as i was continueing acting like a scared lunatic toki came out of his hiding hole better than before i was soo happy i offered him some craisins…may have offered more than i usually give him. He gave me kisses afterwards.

[Bam]

Did he eat craisins after his surgery? IIn that case, wow, that great!!!! You don’t have to be stingy with the treats in a situation like this, the important thing is that he eats, what he eats is less important.

[Tokii]

Did he eat the craisin you asked? Lol he followed me when i went to put back the packet!!!

Updating more good news!!! As i was replying to above if he was eating craisin…he dashed towards the litter box and peeed…. do you know how human runs to the toilet?? Yeah imagine that!!

[JackRabbit]

Oh Tokii! I think I read your whole procedure post with my mouth hanging open! You are so brave! I would have fainted as soon as the vet did the anesthesia!

So glad everything went well. Hopefully you can rest now. Not only did the neuter go well, now you know you have someone to call if whenever you need a vet.

Fast healing vibes to Toki …. {{{{Toki}}}}

[Tokii]

Ohhhh thank you alll!!! For your endless support and vibes. I cant ask for more. You guys are very special family to mee… I LOVE YOU GUYS AND YOUR BUNNIES.

The first thing my hubby said after the fixing and the whole intense moment left was…”you should really take a pic of toki and send it to your forum friends, they would want to know how hes doing”

[Tokii]

Aahh quick question.. toki is licking that area. I tried to prevent that from happening but he do it again.. is it okay? If not what can i do? Do i have to stay awake constantly watchin him and prevent him from doin that? Collar thing is not an option since its midnight here and all the shops will be closed. If its okay to lick than can i go to sleep because i really really really need to sleep.

[Megabunny]

Go to sleep. It wouldn’t hurt to wake up and check him every so often, though. It’s one thing for him to lick a bit. Quite another if he doesn’t stop.
Sleep well…maybe you already are!
Love and hugs from his aunties all over the world!! And hugs to you and your husband. He is one lucky bunny and your husband gets even more points for going above and beyond in all this. He’s an exceptional guy to stick around for that. Seriously. I think harder for him than for you in some ways, given the way guys are, though I’m not trying to downplay how amazing it is that, despite how you were ready to cower in a corner, you were there for him. Amazing what we can do when we’re the only ones available to rise up. Good job, Toki!!!!

[Bam]

As Megabunny says, if he licks a bit it’s ok, if he obsesses, measures must be taken so he doesn’t lick his wounds open. That would involve either distraction, or if that won’t work ,you could need some type of cone-collar, an Elizabethan collar, you know the kind dogs get. Excessive licking could also be an indication of pain in the area, did you get any painkillers?

I hope you can sleep well tonight all three of you, you people deserve a good night’s sleep after having been so brave and so wonderful, and little Toki, he’s been such a champ. I had to laugh when I read that he begged for more craisins!! Way to go, Toki!

[MissGabbster]

I just read this whole thread. What a crazy adventure! I’m so glad that everything has gone well. I can’t believe they did the surgery in your house; I’ve never heard of anything like that. You and your husband were so brave though and it seems like you were both a big help to the vet.

Toki will bounce back quickly. Actually it seems like he already has for the most part. lol

[Tokii]

Aah guyss.. toki is licking contantly. First he rest then he wakes up and lick and again rezt and lick. He is eating a bit less but he eats and drinks. He peed and pooped a bit this morning. I tried to look at his incision place but he barely let me touch. Sure hr let me pat but he barely let me see that place. I got to have a look real quick and i think i saw one stitch l gone. Maybe because of the licking. And my paranoid imagination drove me to think that something is coming out from that place and now i am goin crazy. I called the vet and he said its going to be finr just put some ice on them. He didnt give mecany painkillers but antibiotics. I asked about the painkiller so much but th vet said its not necessary. If i want to i could give 1/4 of panadol only once. Is it safe?

Replying yo above comments: thank you all! It was scary. I felt everyones concern and love. Thank you. Toki is sure lucky to have so many aunties from all over the world.we are blessed truely.

[Tokii]

Aah guyss.. toki is licking contantly. First he rest then he wakes up and lick and again rezt and lick. He is eating a bit less but he eats and drinks. He peed and pooped a bit this morning. I tried to look at his incision place but he barely let me touch. Sure hr let me pat but he barely let me see that place. I got to have a look real quick and i think i saw one stitch l gone. Maybe because of the licking. And my paranoid imagination drove me to think that something is coming out from that place and now i am goin crazy. I called the vet and he said its going to be finr just put some ice on them. He didnt give mecany painkillers but antibiotics. I asked about the painkiller so much but th vet said its not necessary. If i want to i could give 1/4 of panadol only once. Is it safe?

Replying yo above comments: thank you all! It was scary. I felt everyones concern and love. Thank you. Toki is sure lucky to have so many aunties from all over the world.we are blessed truely.

[Bam]

Paracetamol (acetaminophene) is NOT on the list of safe meds for bunnies http://www.medirabbit.com/Safe_medication/Analgesics/safe_analgesics.htm That worries me a bit. Half a pill sounds rather a lot too, that would be like 250 mg. It could potentially harm his liver. I hope s o with experience in this comes on line soon but most of the Americans are probably asleep now.

I suppose there’s no way you can distract him from the wound-licking. Could you perhaps craft an E-collar yourself? Something like this, just to make it impossible for him to reach. http://www.mdcexports.co.uk/?p=rabbit-soft-collar

[Megabunny]

We used to advise people for their cats and dogs to take vaseline and mix a little bad tasting stuff in it, like peppermint oil (extract??) and put a thin layer of it around the incision NOT ON IT.
It’s odd for a male to have stitches. I’ve never heard of that in a routine neuter of a cat or rabbit and even some vets don’t stitch dogs. Hopefully the stitches aren’t critical, but who knows? And if he keeps at them, well, I think Bam’s idea of a collar is great. She’s also spot on about the Paracetamol. It can kill a cat with one dose, if I’m not mistaken, so there’s no WAY I’d do that, though maybe this vet has done it in the past. I’m guessing the stitches are annoying him as much as any pain.

[Stickerbunny]

My vet stitched my male, but he used internal dissolving stitches, not external ones… he said he had nothing but trouble with rabbits pulling out the external stitches. It’s common for them to chew/lick/destroy stitches cause it’s annoying and they are natural chewers.

Some vets don’t like to give out pain meds with boy bunnies, which really it should be up to the owner but… if you can’t your hands on something safe like metacam, I would just skip them. He’s eating some, so that’s good.

Some people have used cones for bunnies that tear out stitches, others have created custom onesies to cover the area. You want to keep him from pulling them out, as it can cause bleeding and an infection.

[LongEaredLions]

I just read up on this Tokii, I can’t believe how brave you are helping with the procedure… Wow! I have never heard of a vet doing an operation at a home, that is very interesting for sure.
More (((((vibes)))))!

[Tokii]

OH  MY GOD YOU GUYS! I am sooo sorry for not updating.Trust me it was a looong loong day! or days!! Toki Licked and one stitch opened and the left side was all swollen and that thing inside came a little bit out. Called the doc and brought him  and went through that process without anesthesia. Just for the area only. Tried to get a collar but no luck(Damn limited resource!!) So I was wide awake and on duty. I was 24 hours by his side preventing him from opening the stitches again! When he got tired and ly down. I run to get a glass of water and when I come back hes back to business! Eventually I got so tired and I did cry a bit because I ran out of option and mostly because I was tired. 

And guess what…light bulb. My desperation drove me to do something…I gotta say creative and adorable. LOL. I took one of the headband I wore as a bridesmaid at my cousins wedding and tied it over Toki’s neck and made a bow to downside and dont worry the headband was made out of cloths. Oh you guys should have seen how hard Toki tries and tries to lick. And finally he gave in and slept! VICTORY IS MINE MWAHAHAH!! 

This is him after trying so hard and defeated. Sleeping…

And as for the panadol thing Oh my god!! I didn’t know. Doc said to give 1/4 of it which means its not 250mg and to give it only that day and afterwards to continue the antibiotic. And honestly my paranoid drove me to even give tinier part than that. And Toki is doing fine so far. No licking. No sigh of pain. But I noticed hes far from eating now. only a few pallets and that is when I hand it to him otherwise he doesnt come close the food. I evn gave him that ground the pallet thing too. He sure eats craisin but too much craisin isnt good I figure and besides I notice if I give too much Craisin theres a change in is pooping. And hes always lying down. Please tell me thats one of his mood swing thing. Because I get so paranoid and think hes getting sick and al and regret the whole process of doing the fixing. 

[Bam]

Thank you for updating, Tokii! The headband is very creative! He looks handsome in it too.
As for the craisins: he needs to eat in order for his intestines to work. If you can get pellets into him, that is truly great, but if he refuses food, craisins are better than nothing. He also needs fluids, pellet slurry is good for that, you can also syringe water. Is he peeing/pooping anything?

If you can encourage him to move about a little, that is also great. I hope he will be fine. Please keep reporting.

((((((Toki)))))

[LBJ10]

Can you try mashing some pellets and mixing them with water and syringe feeding him a little? Or canned pumpkin would be okay too.

[Megabunny]

Whatever you want him to try and eat press it right to his lips and he may get annoyed and eat it just out of anger. I am so impressed with your makeshift collar on him. Awesome job!

[Tokii]

Bam: he sure looks handsome lol.annoyed yet handsome.
Megabunny: thank you. I paraded the whole thing infront of my hubby saying “would you have thought of that!?” sometimes limited resources and hopeless situatumion combines makes you do creative and crazy things heheh out of desperation that is.

As for toki eating problem. He sure is taking good enouh liquid everyday. Just not taking pellets. It is so hard to pin him down everytime i have to feed him. Med times i am cool with. Otherwise it scares me he would break trying to get away. We are experimenting new stuffs. Alhough we found out lastnight that hes awfully loving eating lettuce more now. We did offered that too at first but he didnt eat it. Now i guess he loves it.

I asked of hes getting sick because of the 1/4 of the panadol dose i gave him. How long does it start effecting bad if its bad? I am starting to worry now. The vet said only to give on that day. At first he didnt want to give pain killers. Said toki is going to be just fine. But if i do want to give give 1/4 of that and no more. Did i do a bad thing. I saw all your comment after i have already gave.

Thank you all for your respond!!

[Deleted User]

Brilliant job on the makeshift collar and so pretty, ha ha ha! Maybe a new business adventure??? Lol!

Seeing your vet advised you to give the panadol, I wouldn’t worry to much – it’s done now. Just try (insist) on getting Toki to eat and drink, that will help to get it through his system. If baby Tokki isn’t eating what he should be, take advantage of being able to spoil him and indulge him in his favourites. Anything to encourage him to eat.

BTW I caught up and wanted to say how amazing both you and MR Tokki (hubby) are! To put yourself in such an extraordinary situation to do what is best for baby Tokki is outstanding bunny parenting – good on you both!

Sending vibes (((((YOU))))) (((((MR Tokki)))) and (((((((Tokki))))))) and’ 2′ hug’s each. And one for Bacci, just cause, he he he he…….
PS – Love you avatar! Giggle!

[Bam]

Oh don’t worry about the paracetamol! I found a list saying that 200-500 mg/kg body weight is ok. I don’t know if this source is approved since it’s not medirabbit, but since your vet sais to give Toki paracetamol, I’m sure you’ll be fine. http://wabbitwiki.com/wiki/Common_drug_dosages_for_rabbits

I’m so glad he’s eating and drinking. Sometimes rabbits aren’t so keen on their pellets. As long as he eats and drinks other stuff. Is he moving about yet?

[MoxieMeadows]

I just read up on this thread, you were so brave to help in the procedure!

Sending Toki some more quick healing ((((vibes))))!

[MoxieMeadows]

And Toki looks adorable in that makeshift collar/neck band thing!

[Tokii]

Thank you all for ur respond. Honestly i am sad that i cant reply any faster. Got some internet problem here. Yes its frusting.

Andy: lol yes maybe a business sounds good! You could be my partner haha and adviser. Thank you. It sure was some adventure. But sadly i am scared to go through with it when its Bacci turn!! Yikes ohhh poor Bacci I havnt mention his name past day.

I just wanted to update you guys that Toki is eating just fine now!! Thank god! Thank you all for the help and support and also love.!!!!! Lots of it!!!! Really apreciate it. And about the stitches thing the vet used one of those stitched which you know melt/dissolves? Dont know the right word for it. One side is lookin really normal to me but the other looks less swelling but a bit hard. The one that toki messed with. I will upload a pic tomorrow.
Bam: thank you!! Gives peacr to my mind to know!!!

MM: thank you mm! One of the main reason why i got online with such difficulty is to update you all and also check up on you and moxie dear! I know your going through some stuffs so going to your thread shortly..
And oh toki is back to his clingy self!!! Yeyyyy he wakes me up for carrots and come to warm up to me when cold!! My toki id baaaaackkkkkk!!!! I am like yeyyyyyy!! Meanwhile my husband is still sulking with the fact that he cant carry toki. Hehe

[Bam]

I’m so happy to read this!!!

Dissolvable stitches is the right word for dissolvable stitches =) The side Toki messed with may be forming some scar-tissue. Just keep an eye on it.

Thank you for updating. It’s really great to hear that he’s back to his cuddly and loving little self!

[MoxieMeadows]

That’s great that Toki is back to normal!

[Tokii]

Finally back to work! Now I can write the whole thing without any spelling mistake(mostly). When I try to post from my phone after posting I would realize some mistake but cant bother correcting it because correcting it would be a lot harder

. I took last week off because I was on steroids and I was going through with some side effects, nauseating, sleepy aaaaannd some emotional changes. explains the panic i experience when Toki is active…yeah, now that I look back I did overacted  

Anyway back on topic, the side Toki messed up is really really bad. Remember how I said earlier days when Toki started licking one side, and something from inside was coming out? yeah it started swelling and its going bad.The Vet came in last night and checked and told me that we have to under go surgery again.  Have to anesthetize him again, and reopen and clean the area and cut the bit and close him up. 

Is it fine to use anesthesia on him again? and since the Vet is using dissolvable stitches how long do I have keep Toki from licking? Because now that I am back to work I wont be able to keep an eye on him as often as I did last time. And as for the collar thing I made last time, it is not advice to do when I am not around because if he plays with it, it might tighten up. I did it when I was around because it buys me time to not stay next to him 24hrs. I check his collar thing time to time to see if its tight. I cant risk it when I am back to work. And my hubby cant stay at home too, he’s a carpenter and he took this project and is very busy with that. 

And the mere thought of doing the who process again with me and my husband is nauseating with nervous. After staring I might be good. But right now I am freaking out..

[Bam]

Sometimes both animals and people may have to be anesthetized repeatedly, so if you have to, you just have to.

Do you have anyone who can bun-sit him after the procedure? I see how it’s not good to leave him home alone with the headband, he may strangle himself, and you can’t leave him alone with full access to the wound either. I don’t suppose you can bring him to work? Does the vet perhaps know of somebody who may be willing to look after a bunny? Some other bunny owner in Male perhaps?

I hope someone comes in with some good ideas on this.

((((((((((Toki))))))))

[Tokii]

Sadly there isn’t any other bunny owner I know of. Remember how I used to say I feel like a sole bunny owner here in Maldives. And the Vet himself also admitted he never saw a bunny owner who takes cares of bunny like this(like liter training/domestically). And the only person I could ask for assistance is my mother who left to her island because her grandmother (my great Granny either 100 years old or above) passed away. Then there’s my little sister, since my mum left island, my little sister is in charge of taking care of our little brother.

Aaah so frustrating. I hate feeling hopeless. 

What am I going to do.

How long do I have to keep him from licking the dissolvable stitches? 

[Megabunny]

I don’t know what to say, except that for someone to watch Toki would mostly just be to tell him to stop licking, so I don’t think they’d have to be a bunny expert. It might be better than nothing. I feel terrible for you.
Can hubby pick up Bacci?? It’s so cute that he’s upset about Toki not being carried.
This will, eventually, get better. But in the meantime, I hope you don’t go crazy! I would! But know that this WILL eventually get better

[Tokii]

Megabunny: hehe yes my husband is upset. But when we have to give Toki antibiotic we we have to hold him. I cant catch Toki so my husband runs around trying to catch him and when he finally suceeded he hold him abd he talks to him saying, “I got you now, please dont get scared, Bappa(means father) is just trying to help you and Bappa loves you” and then he kisses toki on the head and smell him its so adorable to see that moment. It is so funny yet adorable how these tough acting men sometimes can be so soft about these things. Lol. If i werent carrying syring and towel to feed him meds i would have snap a picture.

Yh its one thing you find out your assisting the surgery by that minute with a surprise and pull your act together… but its another when you KNOW your assisting the surgery again before it happening. You have that un explainable feeling. I am sanitizing thr whole place….again… while banging my head over with the though of figuring out what to do with bunnysit….aaaand my baby’s wound will be open…again…infront of me…i know i can handle it once it starts but before that —>

Update: ohh I forgot to reply about Bacci(lately i am very much forgetting to mention Bacci… *sigh* bad mummy baaaad)
Well we both can carry him because Bacci is still so small. So he do know we are bigger than him so he just lets us win. Hehe even when Toki was small we were able to carry him. I think they are just patiently waiting until they grow a bit. Hehe

[Bam]

Tokii, I second Megabunny, this will get better. I know you are prone to worrying, try not to make yourself sick with worry. You are such a brave and good bunny-mummy.

I remember that you don’t know any other bunny-owners, I just thought the vet maybe knew of someone or somewhere you could leave him while you are at work where so could just check on him now and then. Not a bunny expert, just a person with some superficial experience in handling any type of pets like cats or dogs, basically just a person who aren’t afraid of bunnies and who has some common sense.

I understand that the Maldives is very, very different from where I live. I so so wish for you to be able to solve this!

[Tokii]

Thank you Bam and thank you Megabunny. Sadly there isnt anyone i could ask to bunnysit. Everyone I could ask is all family memebers no friends. And they are either at work, or too busy or scared of any animal that can love you (yes I am being sarcastic lol but its true though) yh i have people in my family who are scared of bunnies. Haha. But i will ask the Vet.
If Toki doesnt lick tonight or doesnt bother with it tonight as much as he did last time, is it safe to say i can take the risk and go to work? I mean his other side is so beautifully done and recovered. There must be a problem with the one he kept messing so much. I dont even know what i sm trying to say. I guess i am just thinking all the possibilities. (V_V)

Its 8:38pm here. Vet is going to be here at 9:00pm

[Bam]

I hope the vet can help you. Sometimes an animal just licks and licks at its wounds and if there wasn’t a problem to begin with, problems can arise from the constant irritation and the bacteria that may gain entrance. Wounds need to be left alone pretty much for granulation tissue to form and so the healing process can begin.

[Tokii]

Its 12:44am here now…The whole process is over. It was more bloodier and scary for me this time. I swear a part of me wanted to punch both my hubby and Vet screaming while the very smaller part of me reminded they are doing what must be done. I saw blood oozing more. I do not ever want to go through that ever again. I know I sound coward, but theres one thing i cant handle.. animal being hurt and sick / animals being tortured let alone something I make part of my family. Thats just one of the things. This time the process seem more time consuming. As soon as the Vet left i cried and cried. Tears are still rolling down as I post. I know Toki is fine. And it was sucessful but I cant help crying. Dont know whether if its tears of joy or just because I was scared to my very core.
Leaving my stupid cowadly crying story aside, Toki is still a bit shaky. Now resting. Vet so confidently said it is okay to let him lick now, he made sure everything is okay and its not possible to reopen. He said to give antibiotic on time and it will be just fine. And if sign of pain, saif to give 1/4 of panadol like before just once and no more. So since Toki was all shaky and recovering from anesthesia we brought him on to our bed because he was trying to walk but fall so we thought if he falls he would fall on to something soft. He tried to lick. I didnt let that happen at first but my hubby said to give him just a bit of time to lick and check the area. I did hesitated but let him do so. Afterwards Toki done licking we checked and the place was clean and good. So I am assuming he was just cleaning. Although dont worry, I wont leave it to assumption and will stay awake and check up on him time to time.
After giving him antibiotic and some water he ate a few craisin. Not so many like before. He even peed. Thats a good sign huh? I think he loss some blood. Any suggestion whst i should be giving him? Before the surgery i did give him banana. Should I give it again this morning? I am just glad Toki id resting for now and doing real good. I just hope it stays that way til the end. Me and Toki, we are not up for it again…

[LBJ10]

Does he use actual stitches or the glue?

[Tokii]

I just had to share this with you guys..

He was holding Toki for Anesthesia.

[Tokii]

Posted By LBJ10 on 3/15/2015 10:14 PM

Does he use actual stitches or the glue?

He use stitches. Dissolving ones. Toki isn’t Licking as much as before. I didn’t sleep last properly. Well both us. In the morning he looked just fine but not eating. So grounded some pellets and fed with a syringe. Then gave meds and now I am back to work. Hubby said he will go to work a bit later so that there will only be a few hours until I could go back for lunch and check up on Toki. Like a duty roster. LOL! 

[Bam]

Your husband seems like the best man ever.

You can give Toki banana if he wants it. Whatever he eats.

(((((((Toki))))))) ((((((((((you and hubby))))))))

[Megabunny]

I know. Isn’t that precious?!!!

[Tokii]

He is the best man ever and yes Mega bunny it is soo precious !!

Update on Toki: Hes doing alright now. Hes not eating pellets though but he eats lettuce and collards greens very well. I feed him Collard greens and Lettuce three times a day. And he empties it. But I see changes in his pooping. small and misshapen fecals. I read its could be because of GI stasis.  But Toki eats properly. And I even grind pellets time to time and force feed it to him through syringe. And I would like to bring to your attention that I am still giving him antibiotic. What should I do? Is it a problem? 

[Bam]

Any change in diet can cause changes in size and color and even shape of the poop. Antibiotics also has impact on the GI tract, since it kills off many bacteria that are good for the bunny. If he eats heartily and there are fecals it’s not stasis, but of course you need to see to it that he keeps eating and moving about. Does he eat any hay? (I don’t remember if you have access to hay in the Maldives.) Hay is very good. If you have hay: in the bottom of a haybag there’s often a little bit of hay that’s been crushed almost to dust. You can take some of that and possibly grind it with a metal spoon against a metal sieve, then mix the hay-powder it with water or sth tasty and syringe-feed it, just so he gets the fiber. I did that when my Yohio had to be forcefed.

Most likely his tummy will be upset as long as he is on the abs and probably for some time after. It sounds to me like what you’re already doing is quite adequate.

I’m glad to hear that he is doing better!!!!

[Deleted User]

OMG! If I could print that picture, I would hang it on my wall!
Does anyone know how to print a pic off BB??? Serious!

[Bam]

Andi, you just save it to your PC by right-clicking on it and then print it like any other pic.

But Tokii has copyright on it since it’s she who’s the photographer, so you should ask permission first.

[Deleted User]

Thanks bam!
Oh and yes, if I am able to print it I would ask Mrs Tokii first. It’s such a beautiful photo, I’d love to hang it on my wall and show it off with my other’s.
I think I love it so much cause it is so natural – Mr Tokii holding Toki at such a vulnerable time… it’s a real/true picture.

Mrs Tokii…. if I can print the photo, would you mind if I displayed it in my home? Please. It is so beautiful – you did well! I won’t try to print it till I hear from you. Big smile!
PS – If you prefer that I don’t, no prob! I totally understand and respect that. It’s all ok. Happy face!

[Bam]

It really is the most endearing pic.

[Cottontail]

I wouldn’t mind a copy of that picture, myself. You’ve got a good eye to go with your good heart!

[Deleted User]

It’s true! Even without seeing his face or any expression, you can see the concern – how ‘amazing’ is that photo!!!
It’s honestly one of the most wonderful photo’s I have ever come across.

[MoxieMeadows]

It truly is an amazing picture, I LOVE it!

[Tokii]

Again, I am so sorry for late reply. Since I took a whole week off now i have a lot of pending work back at work so I couldn’t login more often.  and connection back at home is alot worse.

I feel so bad at how irresponsible I am with replying and look how beautifully and with love you all are helping me. I am truly sorry.

OH YES YES YES ANDY! you have my full permission and full authority to do so and you too cottontail, in fact anyone who likes a copy  I dont mind at all. If I did mind I wouldn’t have posted it. When I went back to bring some towel for Vet to prepare the whole thing I saw him hugging Toki, even I couldn’t see his eyes but I felt his love and concern because he didn’t utter a single word to me or to Vet only smelling/kissing Toki. I just had to snap a shot. He was pretty much worried about giving him anesthetic again. He was holding him for anesthetic.

So it isnt GI stasis hopefully?? oh thank god. Yes he started eating regularly and move alot. Only changes I see is, his fecal has changed and he doesn’t eat pellets at all!! So yesterday we stopped antibiotic and today I grinded some pellets and one tea spoon of yougurt and mixed it well and gave it to him as a probiotic. That all right, right? As for hays, we have dried hay balls available here. Is that okay? I have been giving that ever since I got Toki. Toki time to time eat hays now also but not so much like he did before.

Thank you all for the respond and lovely comment too!! I love you guys and hugs, and I do mean GIANT/SQUEEZING TIL SUFFOCATING HUGS TO ALL!!

[Cottontail]

I heard mixed opinions on yogurt for bunnies; but grinding the pellets into paste is a good idea to get some food in him. If you cant get him to eat it from a spoon or syringe, you could try mixing something in it for flavor. I found mine like apple juice and grape juice in theirs. The big thing is going to be making sure that he’s still eating and pooping. I know my Pete shifted his tastes in food for a little while after he got neutered, but is back to eating everything. Maybe it was because of the pain medicine? Or perhaps just not wanting certain foods when you don’t feel 100%… either way, as long as he’s eating it’s a good sign, even if he’s not eating everything that he usually does.

I hope that you, your guy, and your furbabies have a calm week ahead of you!
We’ll still be sending you good vibes!

[Tokii]

Hmm apple juice or grape juice huh? Ok I will try them next! Toki poops are a bit bigger now. And I noticed he ate a few pellets just because the lettuce he ate was over hehe. So i guess hes coming back to normal. 

One question though. When people say bunny is in pain they grind their tooth? how often will he be  grinding. Because I notice Toki does that time to time when hes lying down. But afterwards runs around and go near Bacci’s place provoking him to get out! LOL

[Bam]

Bunnies can chatter their teeth if they are in pain. When they are content, they can grind their teeth out of contentment. Bouth sounds can be heard from a distance but the pain-chattering is louder, the contentment-grinding is softer and more of a purr. When I pet Bam’s head he can tooth-grind like a motor running choppily, it’s high frequency and can be heard by others in the room. When he’s had tummy-trouble and I’ve given him tummy massages, he’s chattered his teeth loudly but with less intense frequency so to speak (but he’s not tried to get away so somehow he seems to know the massages are good for him). So you sort of have to interpret the tooth-grinding in context. A bunny in pain often sits hunched up and looks miserable or try to press his tummy against the floor actively, the teeth chattering is then loud, a “big” chatter. A lounging bunny that tooth-grinds after a nice meal f ex is more likely just a happy bunny.

That Toki’s poops are bigger now is great =).

[Tokii]

Thank you Bam. 

I just want to update you, Toki is doing fine and running like before. Thank you all for your support and help! Really really appreciate it! Means a lot to me. Thank you all! Toki and Bacci is sure blessed with so many good Aunties! and a few Uncles? hehehe  Thank you!! 

[JackRabbit]

Glad to hear it Tokii. I was wondering how Toki was doing.

[Bam]

I was wondering too, after all, he is our little nephew =)

Really great that he’s doing so well!!!!

[Tokii]

Thanks Roberta and Bam  

A msg from Toki to his all Aunties!!

Hey Aunties from all over the world! I am doing so much better! Thank you for helping and caring. 

aaaaaannnnddd noww back to my usual route….

 seee I am perfectly alright now! and totally enjoying wrecking Mummy’s Tv reck.

[Bam]

He looks very well indeed! And so pretty! Bacci is so small, it looks like you’ve pasted him into the picture =)

[Tokii]

I am having this issue with Toki again..so I am not sure if I should make a new thread or post it into this..because it is regarding this same thread so I am just going to post it here…

So everyone who kept track of this thread knows about the neutering/spaying situation right? 

Firstly I would like to bring it to your attention that I let Bacci free to the apartment, he is getting familiar with his potty and hes doing best little by little. I did that because like Toki it was becoming very difficult keep him inside his space. He keep finding a way out.

Toki and Bacci get along fine. They never fight, they groom with each other and sleep next to each other. And some times Toki follows Bacci and lay next to him as if asking to groom him with his head down..and at times Bacci does that to Toki too. Like in the above picture hehe..

Ok now back to the problem..Last night I woke up to loud noises and check if they were ok. And hear this, I saw them dashing here and there playfully and the minute I turn on the lights they stopped  and lay down next to each other so I turned off the lights again and went to bed. Again I heard some noises and I saw them near our bed, each one trying to get on top of each other, it looked like a never ending process and I was curious of what they intended to do. Then when Toki got on top of Bacci and Bacci so calmly sat there and then it hit me what Toki was about to do…yup…started humping..although not so much I panicked and shooed Toki right away..and it got Bacci scared and he followed Toki. Honestly I was worried for Bacci but he kept following Toki and lay next to him. I am so confused right now of whats happening here. And I am doubting Bacci’s gender. (embarrassing)

More importantly what is happening!! I thought the neutering will make him stop doing this. And I did check Bacci if he was hurt in anywhere..he was okay. Although hes following Toki a lot more. Even the private part, seems good. What is happening right now? should I be concern? should I again try separating them? if so, does separating upsets them since they are pretty attached to each other?

[Bam]

Humping is not always entirely driven by sexual intention. It is very often about dominance. When my buns first met, they were both neutered, and they (both boys) humped each other like crazy. It was of course all about establishing dominance. So Bacci may very well be a boy, this is all normal, classic bunny behavior.

How old is Bacci now? When he starts to reach sexual maturity, you pretty much have to expect fighting. It is typical for bunnies to fight and then be best friends, then fight again and be best friends. If they keep this up and the humping progresses into actual violence (biting etc), you’ll need to separate them and then have Bacci neutered, then re-introduce them. This is what you most likely will have to do sooner or later anyway. It’s best if there never is violence between them, that will make rebonding after Bacci’s neuter way easier.

[Tokii]

Once again thank you so much Bam..You seem to be answering to my question pretty fast..hehe its like your keeping an eye on thi little family.Thank you 

Remember how Bacci got green colored mucus thing and how Vet visited us? it was February right.. then the Vet said Bacci will be 2 months and Toki was 6 month.. so Bacci probable would be 4 months now and Toki 8 months.

So far no fighting, just a lot of private part sniffing and cuddling. And I do notice as it is becoming alot harder to pick Bacci, I have to run after him. I understand it will terrify him I assure you I wont pick him up unless it is really necessary so once when I do he would be scared and right after I put him down he runs toward Toki..every single time. Is it my stupidity to think he is going towards Toki for comfort?

[Bam]

=) I think we’re all here watching out for your little family, it’s just that I’m on European time and the Americans are all sleeping now =)

It makes sense that Bacci is about to reach sexual maturity if he’s 4 months old. I guess you’re not eager tio hear this, but it will soon be time to have Bacci fixed as well. Some vets neuter bunnies at 5 months, others prefer to wait until 6 months. You should ask your vet.

I’m pretty sure Bacci runs to Toki for comfort and support. That’s really sweet!

[Tessie]

I’m on European time too!

If Bacci and Toki are friends now then of course they’re going to look to each other for comfort!

Bam is right, Bacci probably needs to be neutered soon too (don’t wait too long or you risk fighting!), and yes, humping is totally normal and not necessarily anything to do with bun’s gender; it’s a sign of dominance.

[Little Lion Head]

Hey Tokki! The humping is completely normal–boy or girl, no matter who the recipient is It’s a complete dominance thing that Pumpkin likes to display daily to remind Shamrock that she’s the boss.

I would be watching them carefully now and not leaving them alone in case a fight breaks out. Once Bacci is neutuered you will probably continue to see some dominance humping, but as long as they are getting along you probably won’t see fights. Right now, with Bacci in tact, you just don’t know what might happen and that would be devastating for them to get into a all-out fight. It could really set back their bond and/or somebun might get hurt.

Sorry I didn’t read the other pages of your thread (came straight from chat ), so I’m not sure what the neutering situation is. It sounds like these two will be the best of friends even after Bacci is fixed! I love those pictures of the two btw!

[MoxieMeadows]

I agree with the others, humping is normal behavior and a lot of the time from dominance. Bacci is probably getting bigger and starting to reach maturity, so Toki is just letting Bacci know he’s in charge.

And if it makes you feel any better my (Female) dog humps stuffed animals.

[Cottontail]

First off, I have to say I love the pictures of your bunnies! I didn’t realize the size difference that you had between them!

Second; I am still in the process of learning about bonding bunnies, and only recently getting to observe it first hand–so in that way I’m there with you! It does sound to me like the others are right though. They are probably starting to decide who’s the boss since Bacci is starting into the hormonal/pre-teen “years” of 4-8 months old. I would talk to your travelling vet and ask about a time-frame for de-sexing Bacci. He looks like he may be physically too small yet for the anesthesia, but it’s hard to tell with pictures, and that’s really something for the vet to decide.. plus I’m sure that you need to figure out how to shift your schedule to be there for recovery.

I am glad to hear that Bacci runs to Toki when he’s scared though. It’s always upsetting when a bun runs from you, but at least it’s nice that they know they can run to each other.

[Tokii]

Bam:I am sorry I didn’t meant it like others weren’t. Of course they do, they all watch over my little family. Oh..another neutering..yeyyy(<–totally sounding nervous) hehe 

Tessie:Thank you Tessi, so its a matter of time until Bacci reach maturity huh..why does it sound not so thrilling  hehe but I think I will manage it this time too.

LLH: Oh thank you for your reply, so since the humping this is normal and if they aren’t fighting I shouldn’t separate them?but keep a closer eye on them?. Ok got it! 

MM:hahah you know once when Toki was active and started humping my hand/arm I gave him a stuffed toy and it worked!but just once afterwards he kept just following me around lols! at first I was sad and scared but when I look back it is kinda funny.

Cottontail: Yeyyy,me, you and LLH!! buddies in bonding lols! yes exactly my thoughts. I was wondering too, Bacci physically looks alot smaller than Toki was. I am doubting the age thing of Bacci but I am no expert so I have to go along with what I have….aaaand bunny mum instinct  I will try posting a pic  of them both close by. I gotta say, Bacci not only looks small but very thin too. Ever since we got him he looks so fragile but sneaky and fast 

Yeah it comforts me to know they get along with each other..at least for now. and hoping for the best.

Thank you all for the respond!! It was a big help!

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Hey Tokii – I’m of no help (as usual, lol!), but I wanted you to know that I think of you ALL always, even when I’m not on BB – don’t ever think I have forgotten you. And I hope it’s not improper to say – you are the most lovely person I have ever met and as much as you appreciate and adore us – I adore and appreciate you the same back! Thank you for being so wonderful!

PS – And it’s true, nothing worse than having a bunny run from you! I hate when my hubby pats Henry and he falls at his feet. I pat him and I’m sure he looks and says “It’s you! Eeeek! I thought it was that guy who gives me banana” and runs a mile from me – DAM bunny!

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Tokii–I’m not sure about separating them…maybe someone w/ more experience will chime in. If it were me I would keep them separated when I’m not able to keep a direct eye on them.

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Andy: Oh thank you, it really feels good to be appreciated and loved. Thank you once again :’) Honestly you guys are awesome family to me. And I hope its not improper to say or rude to say, I looked to you as a mother figure not just a regular mum, but a loving,hilarious and wise…and also a friend.

Lol! yup they do mark the treat giver. Toki adores me more, so hubby keep sulking.

LLH: Yeah I guess your right. I will keep that in mind. Thank you for the suggestion. 

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