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Forum DIET & CARE Help? Wet butt! (RESOLVED) But now DENTAL ISSUES!

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    • elizabethy738
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        ***MOD EDIT: UTI issue treated, but rabbit has dental issues now! Skip to page 2!***

        Recently, my bunny (nearly 3 year old Holland lop) has been peeing in the kitchen continuously (nowhere else but the kitchen corner). So I have to lock him up in the corner of my bed room. He is litter trained and neutered( I got him from a shelter and he was already neutered). Now, suddenly when I pick him up, I notice he has a wet butt. It’s not drenched but it’s definitely wet. Before, his butt was always DRY. I noticed there are clumps of poo other stuff in his fur. I can’t take him to a vet-I’m young and the most I have at the moment is $50. My parents are on tight budgets and can’t spare anything extra. Please help. Why is his butt wet? How do I get out the clumps of poo out of his fur? please, please help……https://binkybunny.com/wp-content/uploads/converted_files/themes/BB_Theme/emoticons/ermm.gif

        Oh, and do you know of any good but not too expensive vets that tend to rabbits near Richmond, San Pablo, or Walnut Creek area of California. 


      • Jessie1990
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          What is his diet? Has it changed recently? Really all we can do is guess, and the best thing to do would be to see a vet. You could try calling and telling the vet what’s going on.


        • elizabethy738
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            His diet has not changed. He gets fresh greens, the rare carrot, and plenty of timothy hay. 


          • Beka27
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              It sounds like it could be a urinary tract infection. That could also explain the pee accidents. He would need to see a vet to see if that is the issue and for treatment.


            • LBJ10
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                Yes, if nothing has changed, then it sounds like a possible urinary tract infection. This is something that would need treatment by a vet. There isn’t a like a home remedy or anything. He would need medication.


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                  It can be treated? He is peeing, pooing, drinking, ect like normal. And now his butt is dry again. I’m confused but I still want to take my bunny to a vet. Are there any California clinics near Richmond, Oakland, or San Pablo that you know about. Maybe, just maybe, I can convince my mom to drive me. 


                • LBJ10
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                    If that is what it is, then yes it can be treated with antibiotics.

                    There are some California members on here. I’m sure someone will know of some good vets.
                    The House Rabbit Society has some listings, but I don’t know how close any of them are to you: http://rabbit.org/rabbit-veterinarians-state-listings/#California


                  • elizabethy738
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                      How much will antibiotics cost? How much does a check up+antibiotics (if he has UTI) cost? 


                    • elizabethy738
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                        And he has been drinking like a ton of water lately-well, he always drinks a lot of water during the winter time! He drank nearly a whole bottle and the litterbox nearly exploded (dramatic expression) with his pee. Is this also a sign of UTI?


                      • Bam
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                          Yeas, drinking a lot could also be a sign of UTI.

                          I’m not in the USA so I can’t give you any advice on vets and costs. I hope you can manage this some way. Cranberries are traditionally used as a home-remedy for UTIs and is actually recommended by health-care professionals nowadays against mild forms of UTI. It wouldn’t do any harm anyway. I don’t know if craisins would be enough, otherwise a little juice could perhaps be given with a syringe, but you should use juice low in added sugar.

                          This would only be a temporary effort at relief of his probable pain while you figure out how to get him to a vet. I hope you’ll get some good advice on that soon.


                        • Beka27
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                            Has he ever been to the vet? Check out that link with vet info. If you don’t see someone within a reasonable distance (“reasonable” will depend on your area; some members have to drive up to an hour to get to their nearest rabbit vet), try calling local exotic vets near your zip code. If they don’t see rabbits, they may have a recommendation of who you can contact.

                            When you reach someone, explain what is going on and ask them for their fees. Prices vary, but I would say an average exam fee is about $50, antibiotics about $20? This can vary based on your region, but let your mom know that it shouldn’t be a crazy high amount…

                            Keep us posted!


                          • elizabethy738
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                              I can’t find a vet near San Pablo, CA that’s affordable or near! My mom said she won’t drive too far and that’s saying a lot considering that she hates pets. I’m actually suprised she has let my bunny roam around.


                            • elizabethy738
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                                Yes! I found a clinic: All Creatures Pet Clinic. Only 8 miles away from my house and a check up is $65 bucks. My mom offered $15 to my current $50 dollars and we are heading over tomorrow at 3:00 p.m. Feel better now that I’ve booked a check up. Pray for me please. XD


                              • Beka27
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                                  Oh that’s great news! Let us know how it goes!


                                • Kbana
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                                    Yes, keep us posted!!


                                  • elizabethy738
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                                      The anxiety is now eating at my nerves. What if he does have UTI? Then the check up ($65) + Blood works+ Antibiotics+ possible other problems. How am I going to pay for that?


                                    • Beka27
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                                        If the vet thinks a UTI is the issue, he will probably give antibiotics without any further testing. A cycle of antibiotics will last 10-14 days. If it clears up after that, then you’re done. If it does not clear up, that is when the vet may want to do further testing. You will need to pay for the antibiotics in addition to the exam.

                                        It sounds like you are a minor. As such, your rabbit’s care is the responsibility of your mother/parents. If he is sick, he needs treatment. If your mother isn’t able or willing to provide care for something very minor like a potential UTI, this is going to be an uphill battle for you. What happens if your rabbit becomes seriously ill and needs to see an emergency vet, or needs surgery, or develops chronic dental issues? You’ve been around the forum awhile, I’m sure you’ve read about all the things that can go wrong. Even with the best diet and home care, health problems can occur.

                                        I’m not trying to make you feel bad, please don’t take this that way. It’s obvious you love your bunny so much and want the best for him. But after this current situation is over, you may need to do some serious thinking and speak with your parents about what they are willing to do in case something serious occurs.


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                                          I’m a minor but my parents aren’t bunny lovers. IN fact, it took a full year of full-blown begging to get my bunny. I wasn’t informed when getting my bunny and I didn’t know the costs or anything. The truth is, I won’t be able to save my bunny if something serious does happen. That’s just a sad fact.


                                        • LBJ10
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                                            Perhaps you should have a bunny emergency fund set up. All the money you get from chores, babysitting, odd jobs, gifts, etc could go into the fund so that way you will have a little “insurance”.


                                          • elizabethy738
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                                              That’s a great idea! I get like money for birthday & christmas from relatives. I could put aside $75 dollars or more every year. In a year, I’ll get a job and then I’ll be able to be independent with my rabbit’s needs.


                                            • Beka27
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                                                LBJ10 has a great suggestion!

                                                I agree, it is sad when you take on a pet and don’t have the support of your parents. The animal is the one who may suffer for it. Our advice to new (young) members who are wanting a bunny is to have these discussions with their parents BEFORE making the commitment to bring one home. If they don’t have parental support, we usually recommend that they wait until they are grown up, on their own, and self-sufficient.

                                                But… He’s here now so just try to do the best you can
                                                🙂


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                                                  I know this may actually be too expensive for you to afford, but for $12 a month, you can purchase health insurance for a bunny. It could be years before you need it, and it won’t be available for a current, previous condition, but when a problem happens, you will only pay about 20% of any vet bill. So, if an office visit with an x-ray is needed, and it costs, say, $100 total, you can be reimbursed about $80 of it after submitting a claim. A $20 vet bill for your parents may go a long way to getting their approval to meet your bunny’s health needs. And $12 a month might be one night a month of babysitting, for example. It’s not a great solution, but it’s another option to consider. (Your parents might even find it cost effective to do that for you.)


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                                                    You could also talk to the vet about a payment plan. When tsuki was sick I had to do that at the very beginning. They let me put half down and pay the rest every month. Good luck!


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                                                      Update: went to the all animals clinic. the vet is sure it’s UTI and gave me antibiotics. But they also said that my bunny needs to get his teeth trimmed. How much will that cost? I’m broke now……


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                                                        Update (2): They said (in specifics): “So we saw a few overgrown teeth in your bunnies which can easily be clipped.” So, can it really be easily clipped or could there be problems. How to I prevent overgrown teeth in the future? 


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                                                          I’m sorry to hear they didn’t trim the teeth while you were there, whether you could pay for it right then or not. Typically very easy to do, though I wouldn’t want to do it. The teeth will just keep growing and if they aren’t lined up right, this could be a reoccurring problem lifelong. Did they show you what they were talking about?
                                                          Anything to chew on is great, from first-cut coarse hay to apple branches or pine board (untreated). Hope others will jump in and add to this. But, well, I’m angry on your bunny’s behalf that they didn’t do that for you. I have years of experience in animal hospitals during my younger years, and I don’t like to hear they sent you away with overgrown teeth. Your parents really need to step up here and help or maybe you can make money doing chores for them or neighbors. How about relatives that would love to overpay you for work, knowing it’s for a good cause?? All the best and let us know.


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                                                            Their “clipping” price was 160-200 dollars-YIKES. What the least amount you could pay? Please help.


                                                          • LBJ10
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                                                              Are they the front teeth? Back teeth? Depending on where they are is going to dictate price. If they are the back ones, then they often have to sedate them (at the very least) so that costs more money.


                                                            • elizabethy738
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                                                                I CANT AFFORD IT WHAT DO I DO?


                                                              • Megabunny
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                                                                  Oooooh Thanks LBJ I automatically assumed it was front teeth. That would explain it
                                                                  Oh boy, elizabethy.
                                                                  Bunny experts??? What should we tell this poor kid? If it is the back teeth, will it likely be a lifelong problem? Doesn’t sound like she’s in a position to take on long-term care of this bun.
                                                                  I’ll be eager to follow this elizabethy. I just don’t know what to tell you. We’ll try to get you through this somehow. Even if your parents helped you financially this time, if you’re looking at long-term problems, and that’s a totally different situation.


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                                                                    Search for local shelters (google works well), look for rabbit advocacy groups that can help. Talk to your vet about monthly payments. I hope you can find a way. With his eating problems right now, this needs to be taken care of right away.


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                                                                      Yes, talk to your parents and any local rabbit groups who can help.

                                                                      This is stressful, I’m thinking of you.


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                                                                        I’m just seeing this update now. I’m glad the UTI situation is being taken care of, but obviously I’m very upset to hear that he has dental issues.

                                                                        I mentioned dental problems in my post to you on the first page of this thread when I was listing a few of the things that can go wrong and require vet care.

                                                                        Unfortunately, dental problems are usually chronic. His teeth will need to be trimmed or filed down, probably in regular intervals for the rest of his life. This won’t be a one time cost. The frequency of trimming depends on the diet: eating lots and lots and lots of hay can help to keep the teeth ground down. But if they are misaligned, this will continue to happen regardless of how much hay he eats.

                                                                        Some rabbits need a dental trim every couple months, some only need it once every 6 months. But in either case, you’re looking at hundreds of dollars per year.

                                                                        I wish I had better news for you. 🙁

                                                                        Was your mom there with you? What did she say about this?


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                                                                          Just a suggestion on the teeth issue…. I buy compressed timothy hay cubes. They are rock hard so, I think, they would be good for keeping teeth trimmed. The pet store I frequent sells a dozen for $5. They are about the size of a pingpong ball.


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                                                                            The timothy cubes would only help to keep the front teeth trimmed (basically the same as chewing on a wood toy). The back teeth need the grinding motion that only occurs with long, fibrous stalks of hay.


                                                                          • elizabethy738
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                                                                              I can’t, I read previous post where many users on her only had to have their rabbits teeth trimmed once (and no other problems) and you guys are telling me his teeth need constant trimming. I’m so confused.


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                                                                                So if I buy him toys, will his teeth get trimmed on its owned. Please give me hope or something……I really can’t afford all that stuff. They said it was just a tiny overgrowth and easy to clip…they said everything else was fine…..


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                                                                                  Did we hear if it is Front or back teeth?


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                                                                                    Wait, did the vet ever say if it was the front or the back? I don’t think that question was ever answered.
                                                                                    Every situation is going to be different. We have had members on here where their young bunny had problems with their front teeth. The vet clipped them and they fell (more or less) back into alignment and it wasn’t something that continued to be a problem. Others have had their front teeth extracted because it was a continuous genetic problem (instead of environmental). Others have had chronic problems with their back teeth, with varying success at prolonging the time needed between trims (coarse hay, etc).

                                                                                    Unfortunately, the solution will not be something as easy as buying a few chew toys. They may help some if it is his front teeth and he does actually chew on them. But he would still need to have his teeth trimmed. Most vets are able to do this without anesthesia. Since your vet was saying $160, I’m thinking it is the back teeth. In which case, chew toys would do nothing. Hay helps with back teeth, but again it isn’t going to fix the problem. It will only help prolong the time between when trimmings are needed.


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                                                                                      Yes LBJ. The price would indicate back teeth but I am wondering why they are using the term clipped because wouldn’t that indicate the front teeth? Front teeth should be about $10 and should have been done at the time. I’m
                                                                                      Eager to hear, E!


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                                                                                        The term “clipped” threw me off too, Megabunny. I think of clipping front teeth and filing back teeth. Can you clarify which teeth the vet was referring to?

                                                                                        If it’s a back teeth issue, this is more expensive bc of the need for anesthesia and it is a chronic condition as I said.

                                                                                        If they need to be trimmed/clipped/filed (whatever word you want to use), can you have that done this time and see if/when the issue returns?


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                                                                                          Uh Oh. Where’d you go Eliz?? Don’t give up on us!


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                                                                                            She didn’t say exactly but she did say clipping. She said the teeth overgrowth was the result of lack of hay (he has been eating less hay recently). Is that true? My DAD offered 100 dollars if I could supply 60 dollars but he said its just A ONE TIME THING (he even looked me in the eye and told me this. He was very serious by it when handing me the two fifty dollar bills)

                                                                                            Is THERE A SMALL Possiblity that his teeth wouldn’t need another clipping/trimming? I;ve been looking around the site and saw that some users here had the same problem as me but they only had to take their rabbit once. The vet didn’t say it was anything too drastic and his teeth aren’t growing extremely fast. Please, please, give me hope that this can possibly be a one time thing?????

                                                                                            Please, my parents are under and extremely tight budget. The company my father is working for is facing problems and he may lose his job. These expensive prices are too far from our budget reach considering that I can’t even make money myself yet. I was completely uninformed when getting this bunny but I do not wish to give up on him. But suggesting continuous visits to a vet to get his teeth trimmed is not a possiblity for NOW-I have school (scholarship in future), my mom doesn’t pay me for chores, and I’m not legally allowed to work anywhere yet. Babysitting is a horrible idea because I live in not-so-good place. 

                                                                                            I’ve had my bunny for nearly 3 years-so will he need a teeth trim 3 years from now when I can actually afford it? She did say it was just a little overgrowth-nothing terrible. 

                                                                                            Thank you all for the support. It really means so, so much. Everyone here is so nice. But am I stressing about this too much?  He’s like my baby and the thought of him being in pain makes me feel depressed. 

                                                                                            UPDATE on UTI case: he already has stopped drinking so much and his butt is already dry! I’m amazed. He loved his antibiotics and laps up the small amount like he’s in love……..


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                                                                                              Good to hear about the UTI! Sounds like the antibiotics are doing the trick.

                                                                                              Teeth can be a tricky thing. He may have stopped eating hay because it was painful for him to eat it, thus his teeth are not getting worn down properly. Around 3 years old is when dental issues usually start, so I wouldn’t use that as any indication that this will not turn into a long-term issue. BUT, since your vet said it was pretty minor at this point, there is a chance that having his teeth trimmed and then maintaining his teeth with lots of hay will mean that he won’t need another tooth trim for some time. It would definitely need to be something that you keep an eye on and you are prepared to take him back in for another trim if necessary. Honestly, if it were me, I would not give up on him yet. Get his teeth trimmed and hope for the best. A lot of stuff can happen between now and sometime on down the road (whenever that may be). Situations change.


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                                                                                                I’m not sure what posts you’re reading that people are saying they’ve only had to file their rabbit’s teeth once. I think people may post a thread about this topic the first time they go in, but that doesn’t mean that it’s the only time for the rest of the rabbit’s life. They may be going every few months and just not starting a new thread every time.

                                                                                                It doesn’t really matter though bc every rabbit and every situation is unique. Trust me, I HOPE you can get this done once and he’s good for life (or at least for a few years!) That would be the best case scenario! I want him to be healthy and I want you to be able to provide what he needs!

                                                                                                First things first, can you call the vets office tomorrow and leave a message for the vet. Ask specifically what the problem is (front incisors or back molar spurs). Rabbits obviously have the front teeth that you can see when you look in their mouths, but they also have back “cheek” teeth. The back teeth are the molars. Clarification on which teeth need to be trimmed is very important!

                                                                                                My personal thought (and others may not agree, feel free to correct me if I’m way off base), I would put away the money your dad very graciously gave you and work on getting the rest. I would wait to get the teeth trimmed until you notice they are affecting him. The vet said it’s very minor right now so you may have a few months before you have to act on this.

                                                                                                Admittedly, I have not dealt with teeth issues in my own rabbits, but I know a fair amount about rabbit dental health. Not as much as I know about human dental health (I’m a dental hygienist, lol!) but a good amount. I’m going to alert the other forum leaders to this thread as well bc I know some of them have dealt with this firsthand.

                                                                                                Like I said, your job tomorrow is to try to get the info from the vet: front teeth or back teeth?

                                                                                                Try and relax best you can. I know this is really stressful on you.


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                                                                                                  thank you so much-I really would love other opinions. You made me feel better.
                                                                                                  But he isn’t eating as much hay lately because we’ve been spoiling him with other things. How do I make him eat more hay again?


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                                                                                                    Yes I agree with Beka, try to find out which ones are causing the problem.

                                                                                                    Beka – I think that is a good point about waiting. I think it really depends on what the situation is, but without knowing what the vet was seeing then it’s difficult to know.


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                                                                                                      Are there any animal shelters that you’ve heard of who do the procedures for teeth/other things/etc. for free or for a small donation? Just in case for future stuff?
                                                                                                      I’ll keep you all posted. And thanks so much! <3


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                                                                                                        I agree with Beka.

                                                                                                        I think that most animal shelters require you to surrender an animal before they will get it vet treatment. You could call around and ask for low cost options or a rescue that has a deal with a vet MAY be willing to let you get treatment under their name. I have heard of this but I think it’s rare. :/ It wouldn’t be something I would be comfortable just calling and asking. Maybe if you volunteered at a rescue or shelter (not sure if that’s an option) and built a rapport with them.


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                                                                                                          I know LBJ!

                                                                                                          Elizabeth… seriously… Call the vet tomorrow so we can figure this out! 🙂

                                                                                                          Regarding the hay, what types does he have? If you can get some different QUALITY kinds other than timothy (orchard, oat, meadow, botanical, brome, etc) the different tastes may encourage him to eat more. Put hay everywhere. Do you have a hay rack or how do you feed it now? Stuff a paper bag with hay, stuff an empty tissue box or shoebox with hay, put a handful in the litter box. Every time he turns around he should be looking at hay.

                                                                                                          When do you feed veggies and pellets and how much does he get? If you can reduce the pellets (or feed in smaller portions) that should increase his hay consumption. Same with veggies. You want him to be running out of everything else and not have another option other than hay.

                                                                                                          If he responds to being fed hay (like he gets excited when you physically put a handful in there), feed a small handful several times a day. If you’re using a hay rack, mix the “old hay” up with some “new hay”. He’ll think it’s all new hay.


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                                                                                                            I edited your thread title and the beginning of your original post letting people know that the problem has changed. Hopefully more people will read this since it’s basically a new topic.


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                                                                                                              Okay, here is the deal:

                                                                                                              I doubt it’s the front teeth as the incisors don’t have anything to do with hay.

                                                                                                              If it’s the molars, it could be a problem, I am trying to be realistic and not sugar coat this too – you MAY get by with just one tooth trim but I doubt it and it very possibly could be a genetic problem since you have a lop which very possibly is going to be a lifetime problem. It’s unfortunate that this comes with the territory. I don’t know how old your rabbit is either but aging rabbits can have chronic dental problems.

                                                                                                              Having your rabbit eat more hay could help and eating hay no matter what is important but at this point if may not solve the problem.

                                                                                                              You have the opportunity of course to call around to different vet clinics who deal with rabbits to get a quote but that quote from your dentist is a bit high but not out of range for what I pay for my rabbit’s dental trims – it’s usually about $120.00 for Bobby each trim.

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