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Forum DIET & CARE Very unexpected litter…

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    • CuteBunBuns2
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        So, when we first got Penny, we let her meet Ollie. He mounted her and we immediately pulled him from her and put him into his cage, and have not since let them play together, but they live in the same room, separate cages. Well, apparently that must have been enough to get her pregnant. I’ve noticed her tearing up our carpet and plucking her fur. I thought this was just a false pregnancy, or that she may have been hitting ‘that age’ so I sort of just added to her scavenging supplies in hopes she would stop tearing our carpet. 

        This morning, I saw her creating a nest and I decided to check the cage but there was nothing. Well tonight when it was lights out time, I replenished everything and I saw something moving, I moved the fur away and saw babies!! I stopped and read up on what to and what not to do as far as touching babies, moving things, etc. I went back in, and checked them all, she has two separate groups, one has babies that are bigger than the other group of babies. She had 12 all together, and unfortunately, one did not make it . That was extremely heart breaking. I am giving her unlimited pellets and hay, and water, and providing her with greens 2x a day ( as well as Ollie). 

        I am not sure exactly what to do from here. Should I move them to a bigger cage? How do I make sure she is feeding the babies? Why did she separate the groups? I’m guessing it’s because so the smaller ones are able to eat, and hoping it’s not because they’re sick or something. Is there anything else I should know? I mean, obviously there is, I am just not exactly sure what questions to ask. Ollie is definitely getting neutered though, and she will get spayed after the babies are gone. We really didn’t see this coming. 


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          Oooh CuteBunBuns2, I know your after advice, but I don’t think your allowed to post about baby buns births here. On the chance this thread gets locked, I wish you all the best. Because this thread isn’t normally allowed a lot of us don’t know, so can’t really offer advice. Maybe contact a bunny organisation who has experience and can guide you through the process, better still, your vet. I bet they are all beautiful, and I’m sorry you lost one, very sad. Again – wishing you all the best.


        • Beka27
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            There’s not too much to do right now. Just check on them once or twice a day to make sure their bellies are round. Some of them may still not make it (that’s a big litter!) and if so, remove them from the nest.

            We don’t allow members to post pictures of litters unless it’s in relation to a health question. In this case, I think the pictures should be okay since you’re concerned about their sizes. I have an alert in to the other forum leaders to find take a look. I’m on my phone right now and it’s not letting me open the pics. So until then, just sit tight…


          • Cochin
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              First off, is she tame? If she’s a tame rabbit you can handle the babies from day one, and you SHOULD.

              What breed is she? Check her over and make sure all the nipples are free of obstruction, and try to count them (she should have 12 nipples, 10 would be enough to feed all the kits.) I would move the groups together. Here’s a fed kit vs an unfed kit –
              http://www.backyardchickens.com/content/type/61/id/6108493/width/500/height/1000

              It might take up to 48 hours for her milk to come in, and they won’t be fed for the first 12 hours likely. She will feed them once – twice a day, only for a second, in the morning & night.

              You can do 2 things with the groups –

              Make it one big group, and do individual feedings for the runty kits (holding her over the nest so they can feed), or you can take out both groups, feed one group in the morning, and the other group at night. The pictures didnt work, so I can’t tell if they’re in nest boxes, but they should be. Just a wooden nestbox, slightly larger than the rabbit. If you choose to remove the nest boxes and not keep them with mom, than pretty much anything will do. You just don’t want the mom to use it as a litter box, nor a ‘laying-down-in’ box and smother her babies.

              How big is her cage? You shouldn’t have to move her to a bigger cage. It’d probably stress her out.

              Also, you can sex the kits. –
              http://www.backyardchickens.com/content/type/61/id/6108505/width/500/height/1000

              And obviously if she’s skiddish around you, you shouldn’t handle the kits, but so long as you give a peace offering (kale, carrot, apple,) then handling them should be ok as long as she’s calm.


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                Wow – how wonderful! I was so worried you weren’t allowed to post about bunny births – how fantastic I was wrong! Maybe it was that you can’t show pictures that confused me? With the advice you got so far and what will follow I’m sure you’ll get through this time, no matter how terrifying it must have felt when you discovered them. As I said before – I’ll be thinking of you all.


              • Eepster
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                  That’s a big litter. I would definitely switch her from whatever her regular hay is to alfalfa for the extra calories.


                • Monkeybun
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                    Yes, she will definitely need extra food, with that big of a litter. Twice a day, dawn and dusk, is likely when she will feed them, those being the times of day fewer predators are around. So don’t be alarmed if you don’t see her with them the rest of the time. If they have round little bellies, they will be okay

                    Posting about a litter is okay, just not the pics, as cute as those babies can be. We all know how hard it can be with babies, so having help here is a good thing.


                  • Roberta
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                      12 That is a huge litter and sadly you may loose more…. I have been through oops litters (2) and currently have a foster that came with 10 x day old babies (I lost 2). Lots and lots of food is important right now… 3 salads a day, Unlimited hay, pellets and high calorie food, calcium bearing veg, lots of water….. Dividing them into 2 groups is odd…. Is there a big size difference between the buns. Gestation on average is 28-32 days.
                      You probably won’t see her feed them as they only do it once sometimes twice a day and usually late at night or early in the morning… It is OK to handle the babies and if any need to be hand fed you will have to anyway… You can easily tell if they are getting milk as they will have fat round tummies in the morning,, otherwise they will have hollow tummies and their skin will look wrinkled… You can PM me if you need to ask direct questions but it is always a good idea to keep it open so others can chip in…. Most importantly babies need to stay warm, if they are cold they cannot feed (That’s what the fur is for.)


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                        Beka is right — here is the rule regarding accidental litters:

                        •     Accidental Litter:  Sometimes this happens and we will do our best to help the pregnant doe and/or babies by providing advice to the  best of our knowledge.  However, posting future baby photos will be prohibited unless it is in regards to a health or behavior question.

                        We also have a few resource links that may be helpful: 

                        Pregnancy/Babies – Uh Oh, Surprise Litter?

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                      • CuteBunBuns2
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                          Thank you everyone for your help, and sorry about posting about the babies. I just am not sure what to do. She is a lop-mix. I think we may be losing another baby, its really cold and weak. I put out with the other babies to try to keep it warm to see if it will help. I’m going to look up information on hand-feeding although I know it probably won’t work.

                          Penny is very tame :-). She just watches me to make sure everything is okay. She doesn’t have a nest box, and I didn’t make one since I had no idea she was pregnant. But she created a nest using bedding, her fur, and other random objects. It is actually very very interesting and really impressive at how well she had built her nest. It is very warm too. Should I still move them, or would it be okay to keep them where they are? Thank you again everyone for doing what you can, and I’m sorry if this is a borderline taboo subject. I’m upset this happened but at the same time I don’t want anymore babies to die. Also, I will definitely look at those additional resources. 🙂


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                            Sorry – please ignore my “1st” post – I was sooo wrong! It’s only pictures you can’t post unless there is a concern – and you have one, so all good! (Thanks Monkeybun for correcting me). My apologies again. Hey if you need help – don’t hesitate to contact Roberta directly as she offered above. It is midnight here, so if she’s not silly like me, she will be in bed. But if she hears from you I know Roberta will get back to you ASAP. I’ve got everything crossed all the bubs are ok, especially the one your worried about at the moment.


                          • Cochin
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                              Yes, you should still put them in a box, it should be 6″ high on the sides. That way when mom jumps out, no buns are left wandering around, and they can’t just roll over and find themselves lost.

                              Is the cold one getting fed? Try holding mom ontop of him, and he should latch on and drink, and that’d be the most effective way.

                              I never had to hand feed, but from what I looked up, finding whole, raw goats milk is the best alternative.

                              oh and if you have any local feed stores they might carry nest boxes. 


                            • Roberta
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                                Hi Cutebunbuns, There is no problem with posting a request for help with an oops litter… It is requested that pics of the babies not be posted in order to prevent people coming to the forum for the sake of looking at cute babies….
                                Buns are very good at making a coy nest and it should be fine however should you find it is not retaining the warmth then if you have a box you can slide the nest into it will help keep them warm… My rescue bubs are currently in a square Xmas gift box laid on its side… Pandora was very appreciative of it and added more fur….
                                If the baby is cold you will need to try to warm them before they can feed, if they are cold they cannot eat which is why it is so important to keep them warmed.. Goats milk is a good substitute if you can’t get vet-ilac or a milk replacement formula, you will also need a feeding bottle or syringe….. Go very slowly and try to hold them upright, not on their backs, to avoid them aspirating the fluid (getting it in their lungs).


                              • Roberta
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                                  This is Piglet testing an emergency kindle box I made for Peppers oops litter….

                                   

                                  It’s a square box I received a set of Martini glasses in.


                                • Roberta
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                                    If Penny is managing to feed them all you will know by their little tummies being round and full… The reality is with a litter that size she may not be able to do it and if she separated them it is possible Penny has moved weaker babies to a different spot. Keep them all together and watch for any bubs that get carried out of the nest on the Mummy Milkbar Express….


                                  • Roberta
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                                      Baby proofing :
                                      Water crocks are a hazard as the bubs can easily get dragged into them if Penny takes off quickly after a feed, they can also wriggle into them even the high sided ones.

                                      Loose threads on towels or other fabric can get caught around paws and necks.

                                      If the bars go all the way to the base of the cage you may want to insert baby savers… I used the plastic bases out of eco shopping bags, cut them into three strips each and wove them through the bars to prevent any babies accidentally falling outside of the cage.


                                    • Cochin
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                                        I, personally, think that hand feeding baby buns is terrifying. Pretty much my feeling on parrots too, lol. Just too easy to as pirate. When I had my litter, I supplemented the runts by taking a little paint brush and dipping it in raw goats milk. They just lapped it up. I dipped until they stopped eating – hard to aspirate (so long as its not dripping) and you can’t over feed them (which can / will cause them to die)


                                      • CuteBunBuns2
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                                          So where should I put the nesting box? In the cage? I had to hand feed two babies and after they were warm and regained their strength ( about 14 hours) I put them back in the nest. One is perfectly healthy and the other wasn’t. I took the other baby out, and to work with me ( hot water bottle, make shift nest, regulated water, and was feeding it) but it was so malnourished it just passed away about 20 minutes ago. I feel so bad. I’m scared the other babies its size won’t make it. I don’t want to post pictures again, so is there someone I can send the picture to to show the size comparison? I’m not sure if its just because Ollie isn’t lop and he’s smaller so those particular babies take after him, or what.


                                        • Beka27
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                                            It’s okay to post a picture of it’s in relation to a health question, but keep in mind that this site is a house rabbit site, not a breeder site, and we have only a few members who have ever dealt with this. Also, we’re not vets so our advice cannot be taken as medical advice.

                                            I’m sorry you lost another bunny, but really… Try not to feel bad. That is a large litter and resources (mama’s milk) is limited, it’s pretty natural for the biggest and strongest to survive.


                                          • Cochin
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                                              You can send me pics,

                                              Simply scoop up the babies where theyre at, set them in the box, and your done. Yes, in the cage.

                                              Sorry about the lost kit. You did nothing wrong – lops don’t really have big litters, and the fact that she had a litter probably 2-3 times what she would have normally if bred (ie bred multiple times, I highly, highly doubt she’d ever have 12 kits again.) her body isn’t genetically bred to be able to sustain so many, healthy kits, let alone produce that many – there’s nothing you could’ve done, and you’re doing everything fine.
                                              What did you feed them? Goats milk, kittens replacer?

                                              If the mom carries the dwarf gene, and Ollie does too, than you can get babies with the double dwarf gene. The double dwarf gene is fatal – there’s a 99.999% babies with the double dwarf gene will die, and the only reason it’s not 100% is because once a person claimed to have successfully reared one to adulthood,but it could’ve just been a tiny runt.


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                                                In the cage in exactly the same location as the nest was is the best place…… You can also post the pic in your albums if you wish (as long as it is not restricted view others can access your album to look at the images) but in the case of health questions it is OK to post in the thread as long as it is not a series of cute happy snaps (Which obviously in this instance it would not be)….


                                              • Roberta
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                                                  Looking at the JPG attachments at the top it looks like some buns take after Penny and some after Ollie, so the size difference you are seeing is quite normal… I know in my oops litters (victim of the 30 day post neuter rule) I had varying sizes, some caught up with theothers and some just stayed more petite…. With mixed breeds there are a lot of genetic codes floating round and you just never know which one is going to be dominant.
                                                  As I advised before, if they are small from malnourishment they will have flat or hollow tummies and the skin will be wrinkled not soft and smooth.


                                                • CuteBunBuns2
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                                                    @ Beka, I know,  but it’s still just hard when you get attached to an animal. I am really hoping these aren’t peanut babies. The first baby that died was actually pretty big. It had scratches on it, so I am wondering if she accidentally injured it and then removed it from the rest, or if it accidentally got carried out, or maybe she just had it in that spot on accident, and since I didn’t know she was even pregnant, it died. I guess I just love animals too much or something. I will keep that in mind, and I am calling the vet tomorrow to see if I could possibly take them in so that they can all get checked out.


                                                    @Cochin
                                                    I am going to get a nesting box here soon. Her cage isn’t big enough, and I figured she is getting pretty stressed with having to stay in the cage at night with the babies, so tomorrow I am going to get the cubes and build their (separated) cage. That way Ollie and Penny can be closer without the chance of her becoming pregnant, and she will also have the room  to roam around. I am so surprised that she had so many babies! Especially considering that I definitely wasn’t even expecting it. Well, when I found those two weak ones, I fed them KMR. I found a few reputable websites that said that is the best. But like I said, one died, one was okay, and now the one that was okay, is growing weaker by the minute and I just don’t know what to do. I am not sure if they do carry the dwarf gene, and I am not sure what breed Ollie is. Then again, Penny is mixed. I looked up the DDG, and there is one picture where the baby looks extremely deformed, and these ones don’t look as bad, but they do look a bit awkward. I have a picture that I just took of one of the healthy babies, and then this small baby laying next to each other. All the other ones seem to be very healthy and even fat, haha. I got her to stay on top of the nest ( not stepping on them) but the weaker one would not try to latch on unfortunately.


                                                  • CuteBunBuns2
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                                                      Roberta, there are a couple other black ones who are small, but not nearly as small as the one in the pictures I posted. They seem decently healthy, they have one wrinkle across their belly, but not shrunken in or anything like that. They are burrowing and popping around, and they are just as feisty as the other ones, so I wasn’t entirely concerned about them. But this one in the picture was so small you could feel every bone in its body. The other ones are skinny, but they also have thicker bodies.


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                                                        That little brown one is tiny and the tummy does not look full at all…. I would be concerned for this one… Monitor the times of feeding (you will see every bunny else with fat round tummies) and if it is not getting any food you will need to hand feed fairly quickly. However you can only do your best, sadly with the littlest ones that aren’t thriving if it is due to organs not developing properly or other problems that existed before birth when that is the case there is simply nothing that can be done… It is heart breaking and you do your best to give them love and comfort. I buried Pandora’s two little lost ones in a special place in the garden…There was nothing else I could.
                                                        Just keep up the feeding, when possible sneek the smaller ones under Penny for a quick feed if she will let you do it. I use to cradle the runt on my palm and when Pepper was preoccupied gently slide her underneath. Also keep up a huge food supply for Penny, with that many bubs she will need extra and may do what Pandora is currently doing, and giving two feeds…


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                                                          That’s ok, just make sure they stay in a group. Inside a house, they’re not going to freeze to death or anything, but if they are too cold for a long time it will be detrimental to their health.

                                                          And I’d go with Roberta’s advice – letting them nurse from her will be the best. KMR isn’t as whole as rabbits milk (rich?), so they usually don’t thrive on it.

                                                          From what I’ve read, true dwarves will have rounder heads, shorter ears, shorter back heads and be less than 4lbs. If she’s over 4lbs, I don’t think it’s possible for her to carry the dwarf gene. Ill do some more research on genetics.


                                                        • CuteBunBuns2
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                                                            So if the kmr isn’t as rich, should I go with the goats milk?


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                                                              I’ll see, but unless you can get raw goats milk – which means going to a farm, because only a few people are legally allowed to sell it – than KMR is fine.

                                                              How are the bubs doing?


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                                                                I would stick with the supplement for now…… Nothings ever as good as Mothers milk but it is the best alternative under the circumstances..


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                                                                  They’re okay so far, there are two more not getting fed. I was told by the vet to hold the Mom and let the smaller babies on but, she refuses to let me hold her. But she said she wouldn’t recommend bottle feeding and left it at that. Lol. I mixed the kmr with heavy whipping cream.


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                                                                    Oh wow… That little brown one is so small… 🙁

                                                                    I don’t have experience with litters, but bottle feeding is very difficult from what I understand. Try your best and give the babies love and comfort best you can. Even if some more of them pass, at least they will have known love…


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                                                                      I would avoid using any processed dairy products and stick with water for mixing… Otherwise it could give them diarhhea. Just try holding them gently underneath her if she will stand still.


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                                                                        http://www.bio.miami.edu/hare/orphan.html

                                                                        Actually, heavy whipping cream should be included in the handfeeding formula. This site says a formula, and they add goats milk as well.


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                                                                          The reason I use heavy whipping cream is for the fat content. I think that the second baby that died because I made it starve. I didn’t mean to, I did not realize how much fat kits require. So far, so good. No diarrhea, or anything of that sort. If anything, I’ve noticed the two have been moving a lot more, and the little one in the picture is starting to turn black instead of gray, and is constantly warm now. I am probably going to get a kitchen scale to weigh all of the babies, maybe every other day, and the two that are being hand fed, every day. I should have got that today, but instead I got the nic cubes for the new cages. I just hope they survive. The next step is going to be finding them homes where the people will spay them, or neuter, and homes where the people know a lot about rabbits, etc.

                                                                          So, I am going to be transferring Penny into a larger home-made cage, and I am going to leave the babies in the nesting box, in her cage now, and just put the bottom of the cage in the bigger one. Ollie is getting the same size cage, and I am putting a divider in the middle. I got the smallest square-openings possible ( nic cubes). Will the babies be able to fit through those once they are hopping around? Does anyone know if male bunnies eat their babies? I’ve seen contradictory statements.

                                                                          Thank you everyone for all of your support, and doing the best that you all can to help.

                                                                          Thank you Chochin, I am probably going to stop at Green Star tomorrow and get the goats milk, and the probiotic too. It’s an organic health food store so I am assuming that they have those things


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                                                                            I suggest leaving a gap between the cages of Ollie and Penny instead of lined up together. Bunnies have been known to “get down to buisness” BETWEEN bars. You are probably so stressed right now and the LAST thing you’d want is another litter. As for the babies, weave something between the bars as “Baby Savers” like tote-bag fabric as someone else suggested.

                                                                            With Daddy-buns eating babies…. Yes but mostly No. Most husbuns will NOT munch their babies, but often if they are not there for the birth, or for some reason do not recognize the babies as THEIR babies, they will kill them. They are just trying to be good fathers by clearing the nest of potential danger and keeping his pregnant mate safe. He doesn’t realize it’s who he wants to protect who he’s hurting. So to be on the safe side, I would NOT let him near the babies. He might be a great dad! Most likely he would be a wonderful, sweet, loving father! But it’s WAY better to be safe than sorry.

                                                                            Thank you so much for trying your best to take care of the babies, it is a difficult task and you are taking care of it very calmly and responsibly. Not many people are as smart and willing to go out of their way to provide as good of care as you are.


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                                                                              Must be a different formula to the one I use…. I haven’t seen any of the ones here allowing a dairy additive… But it makes sense, then we don’t get the extremes of cold like you do….
                                                                              The bubs will need to be separated after 8 weeks so you have some time up your sleeve but it is probably a good idea to speak to your vet or a local shelter about getting assistance to rehome them…
                                                                              My vet is helping me with Pandora and the babies seeing as the two rescue I work with are both full at the moment and unable to provide direct assistance… I’m running a GOFUNDME site to raise money for the desexing, vaccinations, flea/mite treatments and general medical care… Anything I don’t have to pay the vet will go to the other rescues…


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                                                                                Muffin, WOW! They’re determined then I guess! Yeah, the last thing I need is that. Between a full-time job, and being a full time college student, there is no way I would be able to handle that. Thank you for the warning, haha. So is he not to be around the babies just at this stage, or any stage of age? How about when they get a bit bigger and start hopping? It is just how I am, I can’t just shrug off a dying baby. If I was dying, I wouldn’t want people to shrug me off. I know that there is a huge difference between humans and animals, but the animals can’t help themselves at this age, and, at any age really, they have limited abilities to do so, which is what motivates me to try even harder.

                                                                                Roberta, Oh wow, that is a great vet you are going to then! That is amazing!


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                                                                                  That’s what happened with Pepper and Piglet…Piglet was desexed before the first litter arrived, unforunately I was told to only separate for a week or two so when the first oops litter arrived I assumed it was safe for them to stay together (they had been separated before) and Piglet adored the babies….. Cheeky little sod liked the babies so much he decided he fancied a few more and I wasn’t aware he was still able to do so…about 6 weeks later I got an early Xmas present…

                                                                                  Actually I got that mixed up with the second litter… Piglet was desexed a little over a week before the first oops litter arrived and did not go back in with Pepper until the week after…. Just before the babies eyes opened (he was still a great Dad) he was with Pepper for the arrival of the 2nd oops litter and did not leave her side (it was a good 8 weeks post neuter then so it was safe) Piglet groomed her and snuggled whilst Pepper was in labour and instantly fell in love with the kits…. Pepper would get $*&!ty as he was always checking on them and that’s just not the way rabbits are supposed to do it…. Pepper caught Piglet and I checking out the babies (mk2) when they were a couple of days old, I could feel this cold stare and looked up and she was behind us… I told Piglet to run and save himself, which he did and left me to deal with a very bossy Pepper….. 


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                                                                                    Wow I think you’re doing really great! It’s heartbreaking she had such a big litter and that they aren’t all doing well, but like Beka said, these things happen and aren’t your fault.

                                                                                    The only suggestion I can say is use goats milk. Its the universal thing to give to orphans or undernourished mammal babies. I wouldn’t give whipping cream or anything like that, it might have additives, I think the goats milk should do the trick-it’s high fat, natural, very easy on tummies-you can buy it anywhere. Someone else posted about using a paintbrush to give (rather then a bottle) milk-I would totally try that, that sounds just perfect.


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                                                                                      Lol, I’m not sure what it is about Chochin but I get that name a lot.. Is it some sort of autocorrect? My iPad doesn’t autocorrect Cochin, and I don’t remember it ever correcting it to Chochin.. Lol…

                                                                                      I wouldn’t add dad, and leave an inch gap between cages. While dad MAY not eat them, animals just want to have as many babies as possible, yet they have to be THEIR babies.. So if he feels the kits aren’t HIS, he may or may not kill them all. You sugarcoat it as him protecting his mate, but I think we all know its because he doesn’t want any babies that aren’t his to be nursing / alive, so he kills them. So he may very well kill them and try to re-breed your girl – so that his genetics survive. So even if he gets desexed and is no longer able to impregnate, I’d still be wary. If its not reproducing hormones fueling him, it’s territorial urges fueling him. Once their hopping around, he may see them as adult rabbits that are in HIS space.. Just like you wouldn’t put some random rabbits together, I wouldn’t do it with babies.

                                                                                      The whipping cream won’t do any harm. If you read the link, it said to use KMR, goats milk and heavy whipping cream. And like I said, if its at all possible to get raw goats milk, try! It’s a lot better and will build their immune systems.

                                                                                      best of luck. Hopefully they survive. And I’d def. try to get in touch with some shelters who would advertise the buns on their sight or something, and do meet ups, so they’ll get good homes.


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                                                                                        @ Kokanee I went to the Green Star today and got some goat’s milk. I’m not sure if it’s whole, or what, but it does not specify otherwise, so I am assuming. It’s not raw though, no one sells it around here, I even called the Amish store, Sauders. But, I did buy new organic heavy whipping cream that has no additives in it. I could not find the probiotic but I did read that it was okay to do acidophilius, so I bought some of that. I just really hope I can save this baby now. I tried to hold Penny and let the baby feed off of her. She kept trampling him. I got her on her back though and put the baby on her belly, and eventually she started getting mad, so I took the baby off and she scratched me pretty bad up and down my arms, so I think from now on I will just only check the other babies, and hand feed this one. Everytime I check them, this is the baby thats belly is not full, and it’s wrinkly, except when he stands on his feet ( or her) then the back isn’t wrinkly and it looks healthy. I will definitely look into the paint brush method.

                                                                                        @ Cochin I have no idea, for some reason it seems natural to me to push the h before the o when they are both in the same name lol, sorry. Yeah, I would rather be safe than sorry, definitely. Thank you for the suggestion, I will definitely do that. I just don’t want them to be put down or anything like that, I would rather have this many bunnies than give them to a place that will just kill them.

                                                                                        So, when the babies are fed, their bellys are full and round, right? But that is just normally if I caught them immediately after they ate? I am just asking because when I just checked, some of their bellys are not as full, but I am assuming that is just because she did not ‘just’ get done feeding them.


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                                                                                          Hi CBB,
                                                                                          You will find some of the more dominant babies will latch on early and get a larger feed than the others so there will always be a couple that are very fat and some that only have a little roundness to their tummies… By now any bunny that isn’t being fed properly will be falling behind the others in size and health very rapidly… The best time to check is first thing in the morning as feeding usually happens late at night or around dawn….


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                                                                                            Given the circumstances I believe it would be alright to post a pic of any you are concerned about so Cochin and I can see them…..Forum mods hopefully will confirm.


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                                                                                              Yeah, there is one little guy that is falling behind. He is so tiny, but he does not look like the others that died. He has fur and coloring now, and is super feisty. I just finished feeding him and I could tell the difference in his belly when he was done eating. If it is okay with the moderators, then I will do that. I have to wait until tomorrow when my boyfriend gets home so he can help me because some of them are so squirmy. Yeah, I can definitely tell the difference when one eats a lot, there is a huge baby and he is a little porker, haha.


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                                                                                                A fattie and a shrimp in each litter seem to be the norm… I had the same thing with Peppers oopsie babies and Pandora’s rescue litter. The same with another girl in foster with the rescue I assist…. One very big laid back bub and another fiesty little runty one that is the ring leader when it comes to mischief and chaos.


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                                                                                                  This thread is now locked.  A decision has been made regarding these types of threads.  We are not set up to help in these situations. While there are two members that seem to have experience and have guided you, (and you can continue to message each other)  I urge to seek other resources, (which I have messaged you), as there is no way for the BinkyBunny mods/admin to know for sure what is good advice and what isn’t. Our site is not geared for this info as we just don’t have the experience. We discourage ongoing threads like this one because the information then goes out to net search results, inviting more of the same.  And with such a large litter, there are more chances of things to go awry. I encourage you to seek vet advice and resources that may have reliable info for this matter. 

                                                                                                  Because you are in the middle of this, I  don’t want to cut off advice entirely at a critical time, so you are welcome to message the members directly that are helping you.  And for others that have found themselves in the same situation/or have come here by doing a search about new litters/accidental litters, please understand we are not a site or forum that has a wealth of experience in this matter and it would be better for your bunnies to find a reliable resource for pregnant/nursing does and their babies. . 

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