Weird noise

[skysblue]

My rabbit Coffee is a bit over 8 years old. Not spayed. Been ‘sick’ for the past week, only able to eat some hay and veggie but not pellets. She went to the vet 3 days ago for a physical exam found out her left molar teeth is a bit extended , which might be causing problem for her to eat. Then for 2 days i fed her critical care, which made her hated me because she hates to be picked up, then i stopped feeding her critical care because she seems to eat more hay.  She has been peeing blood, too. Quite a few times already. She sometimes go out and runs a bit, but mostly just sit on her toilet spot. She stills get excited when she sees me in the kitchen because thats usally the spot i give her some fruits or veggie. She can still run pretty fast. 

Now this morning i found her making weird noises, like “hmp” (very loud), as if something went up to her nose. Like you are at a swimming pool and some water went into your noise. That’s the cloest i can descibe. She does it at random time and been about 10 times since this morning. 

I do suspect her to have uterine cancer, but I can’t do anything about it.

[MoveDiagonally]

Is the vet you went to rabbit savvy?

Blood in her urine is a serious symptom of a serious problem. She needs to be treated and diagnosed by a rabbit savvy vet.

Uterine Cancer is a very real concern given that she’s not spayed and her age.

[skysblue]

I supposed so because it’s an exotic animal hospital. It’s very hard to find a rabbit vet in this area. Yeah he told us it’s usually cancer unless proven otherwise.

[tanlover14]

How do you know there is blood in her urine?? It’s VERY difficult to see blood in rabbit urine and typically a test has to be done to confirm it. Sometimes veggies can change their urine color from red to brown to orange coloring.

I’m completely confused by this post. He said it’s usually cancer unless proven otherwise? That’s not how you determine or treat uterine cancer! She definitely needs to be spayed if she does so she has a chance of surviving. Did this vet give you any options for her? Did he do a blood exam to see if she would be able to handle a spay surgery?

She should be fed Critical Care daily until she begins eating the pellets on her own again. Was her molar treated? Or trimmed down? She won’t begin eating like she should until she can eat without the pain. If her tooth hasn’t been fixed, try wetting down her pellets for her. She may be able to eat on her own. OR you can try mixing the Critical Care with some canned pumpkin and some carrot juice. This made force feeding my bun much easier and he began just licking it from the syringe.

[LBJ10]

Considering her age, it is very likely to be uterine cancer. So I can see what you mean by the unless proven otherwise comment. Usually the way they “prove” it is to do the spay and examine the uterus. My guess is that the blood you are seeing though is actually discharge from her diseased uterus.

Honestly, it is in her best interest to spay her. That is, if she can withstand the surgery. The vet would need to do some blood work to make sure she’d be okay.

As for the sound she is making, are you sure it isn’t a honk?

[skysblue]

I think it’s blood in her urine because i haven’t fed her any veggie that could cause a red color. And it’s a very small stream of red. I saw how she peed, it was like shes very tense and the red stream was slow, unlike the other pee where she lift her tail up and runs like a waterfall. She only had green leaf lettuce, romaine and cilantro. Should I continue to force feed her? And isn’t carrot too sugary for her ? She is eating some hay and veggie just not pellets. It took like a day or two have her like me again and not run away from me. She only picks out the orange treat in the pellets.

I told the doctor that I will wait to see if she can wear the teeth down on her own, I gave her a lot of stuff to chew.

I youtubed honking: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=309VRAG5XsA She doesn’t make that sound while eating and it’s really loud, and is not continuous. Just one single sound. i can hear it from upstairs

As of the test, that’s the struggle, it cost up to $1000 and my parent can’t afford that. Even if we ran the test, found out how the problem is, there would be so much more to follow, med, surgery and etc.

 

I just found a video, is similar to this! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA8ZUNl5vss  especailly the very first sneeze, but she doesn’t do it as frequent as this rabbit did

[skysblue]

I just made some wetted pellets and she ate them! Although she only had a little bit and stopped, I will try more later.

[jerseygirl]

I do suspect her to have uterine cancer, but I can’t do anything about it.

Do you mean unable to confirm its cancer or unable to treat?

If your vet also suspects uterine cancer, I would advise some X-rays or ultrasound. There are other uterine infections also. They can also pass blood due to stones or cystitis.

Uterine cancer most commonly spreads to the lungs so X-rays of those would be needed too.

The noise she’s making could also be due to dental problems, sinus infection, lung infection… It’s all just a guess but it sounds like she needs to go back to the vet.

I expect your rabbit would be experiencing some pain if she has confirmed dental issues, possible uterine or bladder issues and possible respiratory issues. Pain management is something that could be done until you can establish what else can be done.

[LittlePuffyTail]

I’m sorry your bunny is unwell.

I agree with, Jersey. While uterine cancer is a very real possibility, unfortunately, it could be something else as well like an infection.

If it is cancer, she will be in pain and needs pain meds at the very least.

You will have to have a discussion with your parents and vet to determine what can be done. You can’t just let her be. She is your responsibility and is counting on you to help her.

[skysblue]

Can i get pain med from the drug store? My mom doesn’t like the vet because I made her spent a couple hundreds last time with our last rabbit what had to go to the emergency room and then died 10 days after. I had to nagged her for a long time to get Coffee to the vet. She thinks we should treat the rabbit naturally because that’s life and Coffee is already so old. Even if we do run test on her and try to treat her , it could be un-treatable, or she will have to die someday due to age.

I might have enough savings for a molar trim, but the problem is i don’t know if that’s gonna help because we don’t know if the pain is coming from the teeth or the body. The vet said the 3rd molar teeth could cause a bit un-comfort but didn’t say about pain.

Gah, i am so in distress, i wish i have the money.

[jerseygirl]

I’m afraid you can’t give rabbits just any pain med.

Is it just this vet your mother doesn’t like? Would she consider a consult with a new vet?

At this stage, it sounds like you haven’t been given a firm diagnosis?

I just think you would need a vet to give you a better idea if your rabbit does have a serious condition and if there is pain associated with it.
If there is something serious but your parents are not willing to help treat or manage it, then you have to think about your rabbits quality of life.

Im sorry you find yourself in this difficult situation. It’s very hard when your parents dont share the same views as you.

If you get any new pets while you are still dependent on your parents, I would ask if they’d be willing to get pet insurance. That would help quite a bit with veterinary fees.

[skysblue]

She just doesn’t like vet in general because she thinks it doesn’t worth it.

No, she isn’t diagnosed with anything yet because just the blood-work and x-ray alone cost around $500 already. And not to mention the medicine, surgery and other treatment she will need if she is diagnosed with some serious problems, like cancer. There are so many different symptoms that could mean other diseases. My sister just searched up and thinks instead of cancer, she might just have kidney problem due to high calcium. etc. because she peed almost-clear watery pee with oil on top before…And i remember i used to fed her kale for a couple days..because http://rabbit.org/suggested-vegetables-and-fruits-for-a-rabbit-diet/ told me that Kale was low in low in oxalic acid.. so i fed her quite a bit…until then i found out it’s high in calcium.

Right now everything it’s just a guessing game. And there’s no way my mom will take me to the vet for the 2nd time. I had to do something for her the first time in order for her to agree for a vet visit.

I probably won’t get another pet until i am independent, i didn’t worry about vet when i first got them because i was so young and only was excited to get a pet(in exchange, i had to do dishes everyday for a month). The loss of my other rabbit 3 months ago was still devastating to me. I thought and still cried about it every night because i felt so guilty that i couldn’t do anything. i I miss her a lot.

[jerseygirl]

I think my parents would have been the same when i was younger. And funds are not always available when needed unfortunately.

Pets can become very expensive to keep. We dont always know that at the beginning…

I’m not sure what else to suggest to help. Hopefully other members will have some ideas.

It’s good you found that wetting the pellets before giving them helps with her eating. Some of the others with rabbits that have sensitive teeth find this helps too.

Does she drink from a water bottle or bowl? Is she drinking a lot more water lately? Sometimes rabbits with sore mouths start drinking lots of water.

[skysblue]

She drinks water from the the bottle sometimes, i had to lure her a little bit, but she managed to drink it like usual, but not often. She drinks less actually.

But the wet pellets doesn’t always interest her, she will smells it, then move away, or maybe munch on it a little bit then stop. I am not sure if i want to force feed her again. She looks so sad, if i force feed her shes gonna get more stressed.

God, i can’t bear to look at her , she looks so sweet and innocent as if she doesn’t know what’s going on. I wish the pain is on me.

[jerseygirl]

I didn’t mean to make you think your rabbit is in great pain. None of us can know that for certain. (Thats why I was encouraging a second vet visit so you can get a professional opinion). You’re the one that knows her best and can see when there are changes in behaviour. It’s just something to be aware of. It’s hard to detect in many rabbits because they are so good at hiding illness.

With drinking, try giving her a bowl of water to see if that helps. You could try critical care in a bowl also. It’s not uncommon for rabbits to refuse pellets when they’ve been unwell.

The link for the video of the sneezing rabbit above didn’t work. Are you able to give the video name and username instead?

[tanlover14]

I know you mentioned carrot is high in sugar but sometimes getting them to eat is more important. Try mixing some canned pumpkin in with the CC (make sure it’s 100% pumpkin – it’s really cheap) and then you can add a splash or two of carrot juice if you’d like. It won’t hurt her and may encourage her to eat on her own which is definitely worth it considering how stressful force feeding can be.

I know you’re having a hard time with money so if you run out of Critical Care and can’t get more do the same mixture with her pellets.

[skysblue]

It is titled “Is my bunny sneezing or what?”- Cocoyashi Yonkos. I would say similar to that, but Coffee has a clearer and one of two sound at random time. Not continuously.

[skysblue]

My mom seems to soften a bit about performing a molar trim, but she wants at least some kind of promise that a molar trim can get her to eat again. Like we said, we don’t know for sure what’s causing her not to eat…and I don’t think she will be spending money on x-ray, bw and treatment. She said, if it’s time to go, it’s time to go. I will call the vet tomorrow and ask about the teeth again…So this is my biggest dilemma…

She’s been peeing and pooping on random spot so my sister thinks is something to do with the bladder.
Btw, here are some photos on the ‘blood urine’ and my sister thinks there are something wrong with her eyes, like they are popping out. Do they look alright?

http://postimg.org/gallery/c4rkohoo/b76dbe33/

[NewBunnyOwner123]

If you see blood only when they pee isn’t that a sign of a UTI. if it was her uterus it would be bloody discharge all the time right?

[NewBunnyOwner123]

The bulging eyes could be from the teeth. Poor girl

[skysblue]

Posted By NewBunnyOwner123 on 06/16/2013 09:59 PM
If you see blood only when they pee isn’t that a sign of a UTI. if it was her uterus it would be bloody discharge all the time right?

I actually saw all red ‘pee’ or not ‘pee’ before. 

Bulging eyes because her teeth are in pain? 

[NewBunnyOwner123]

If her teeth are over grown, yes. But I have no experience on that particular issue yet (hopefully wont have to :/ ) I’ve just read it before.

http://www.veterinarypartner.com/Content.plx?P=A&A=472&S=0&EVetID=3001459

Scroll down to signs and symptoms.

[skysblue]

=( She just has so many problems.  It was about 6 days ago when we went to the vet, the vet said it was just a bit touchy that made her uncomfortable. She has been chewing stuff, i thought if that might have wore it down. So in 6 days, it might have grown a lot more?

[NewBunnyOwner123]

Not necessarily because she is in pain. It could be because of her teeth being over grown physically causing her eyes to literally swell. (Pressure from abscess or something) But idk. I’m throwing the idea out there because her symptoms are pointing to her teeth having issues. It’s painful, yes.

Her having uterine cancer is a HIGH possibility too, being 8 and unspayed.

[jerseygirl]

Shes a gorgeous rabbit!

That is a lot of blood and fresh looking. I’m guessing it’s coming from the bladder. My rabbit has cystitis and was put on antibiotics and pain meds for it. BinkyBunnys rabbit Jack passed bright blood when he had a bladder stone. It was causing bleeds in the bladder wall.
Had she been making the noise when she was going to pee?

It’s hard to tell from the photo but are her pupils no longer round? It looks like the iris and pupil are not normal.

If her eyes are bulging (hard to tell from photos) it can be caused by a few different things. One of them being a mass in the chest area. A vet may be able to feel this without X-ray. (Of course X-ray would be more ideal but costly).

Honestly, her various symptoms could be due to an array of different things. We can guess at them but will that really help her? There’s no “at home” fix.

Bottom line: Your rabbit needs to see a vet period.
To be honest, I’m not sure a molar trim will help a great deal if she has other things going on. The money is probably better spent having a vet assess and give their best opinion of what conditions she might have and the effects on her quality of life.

If a vet is of the opinion those conditions are of a serious nature, the kindest thing (my opinion) in your situation is to have her put to sleep.

I feel very bad for you as I understand you are respecting your parents and are dependent on them in this. It’s hard but you must keep in mind your rabbit is a senior and its highly likely will have increasing health problems.

{{{{{Coffee}}}}}

[skysblue]

No, no noise when she pees.
I think i ll bring her to the vet tmr. Getting a molar trim is the least i can do… and i will ask the vet if he can give me sth to increase her appetite. She is so skinny right now i can see her hip bones.

[skysblue]

Good news! We got Coffee a molar trim today. Dr. said one of the teeth poked right through her tongue. And he gave us discount (free) for the Cisapride and and Meloxicam this time only.

Bad news is, Dr. finally got a chance to free her tummy and felt a mass, maybe like an inch. , he doesn’t know what organ it is but my best guess is probably uterine. And, we really can’t do much for at this moment because of the money issue. Coffee lost .63 lbs in 6 days.

But, at least I am glad we got her the molar trim.

[jerseygirl]

Ouch! That must have been bothering her a lot.
I take back my words… Obviously the molar trim will give her much relief!
I hope she recovers well from it and starts enjoying pellets again soon.

{{{Coffee}}}

[LittlePuffyTail]

((((((Coffee))))))

[skysblue]

Shes still very weak and not eating. I hope she can recover in a short time.

Does spaying means removing the uterus or the whole reproductive organ? Maybe i can find a low cost spay hospital so if the lump is within the uterus the spay surgery could remove it at the same time? (Although we are not sure where the lump is. But she has been peeing a lot of blood)

[MoveDiagonally]

Spaying removes the uterus and the ovaries.

(((Vibes for Coffee)))

[jerseygirl]

Hers likely would not be a straight forward spay but it’s certainly worth looking into.

There are some links to low cost clinics in this thread.
https://binkybunny.com/FORUM/tabid/54/aft/116849/Default.aspx

[skysblue]

Yeah.. they will probably make me to bloodwork and x-ray, which i don’t have the money for. And they might not spay her without running those tests..

Thanks for the link but unfortunately there isn’t a low-cost rabbit spay clinic in my state from the links provided. However, from this thread https://binkybunny.com/FORUM/tabid/54/aft/108301/Default.aspx
one of the mentioned “Blue Ridge costs $110 for neuters and I think $135 for spays. ” $135 it’s a very good price for me. It’s just given Coffee’s condition, i doubt if they’d do it.
I also email one of the rabbit shelter around this are and asked if they have a list of low-cost rabbit spay hospital.

[Jessie1990]

Coffee is very pretty and I really hope you are able to help her!

(((Coffee & Sky)))

[tanlover14]

Sending vibes for both Coffee and you. You are obviously trying very hard to make her healthy and happy with the money you are allowed to spend on her and I think it’s great that you are STILL putting so much effort into helping her despite the obstacles you have faced and are facing.

(((Coffee)))

[Deleted User]

I would say your rabbit might be in trouble health wise. Get her checked by an expirienced vet and please keep us updated

[skysblue]

So this is the 3rd day after the molar trim. She is still not eating, but i saw her munched a little bit on the dry pellet and hay. As the vet instructed, i give her medicine for pain and for helping her intestine muscle moving and 20-30cc of critical care 2 or 3 times a day. I guess I should give her another day or two? And just at the worst time, my neighbor decided to go on a short vacation and left her dog in our house.

I called another hospital about the spay, they said if there is a tumor in the uterus, they can remove it just like a normal spay surgery. But it requires a blood work to make sure her organs are working and safe to use anesthesia. So it is $155+$98. $253…

Then the problem is, she still seems weak and not eating so I don’t know how safe it is to go on a surgery with this body. And like usual, my mom isn’t supporting me with this. I don’t know what to do, it sucks to have no one to support your decision. I have to really settle things down before july 1st, when i am leaving out of the country for a month. Or else…who knows what’s gonna happen in the 1 month while i am gone…

[LittlePuffyTail]

To encourage her eating, you can try moistening the pellets to make them easier to chew. Just put them on a plate and add enough warm water just to moisten them and let them sit for a few minutes to fluff up.

[skysblue]

I need some opinions..

I talked with the vet who saw Coffee, he said the mass he felt was kinda in the middle of her abdomen, which is a strange area. If he was to perform a spay surgery plus bloodwork is around $500+, but if he cuts her open and found that tumor had spread, he cannot do anything. He said the reason she is still not eating is probably because of something in her body. The molar trim was only to take away some discomfort.

Or I go to the other hospital which cost about $124 for a spay,assuming bloodwork on liver and kidney is fine and that it is a uterine problem. And ask when they cut her open if they spot a tumor …

 

Should i do it?

[jerseygirl]

I need some opinions..

I don’t see how you can go forward with any surgery at this time and have a good outcome.

She’s not been eating well before and after molar trim. Right now her health is precarious.
Spay is a big surgery and rabbits often don’t want to eat after that also.

That aside, you won’t be present to look after her in recovery.

To me, or just seems far too risky right now.

If you have limited funds, Im thinking having an X-ray may be your best bet to find out what this mass is.

Bloodwork would give some indication but right now, her results will probably be affected by her lack of eating. So it could give mixed results- at least that’s what I’m guessing at. If i was in your shoes, i’d ask the vet which would be better at present. Blood test or X-ray.

[skysblue]

The vet i have been going to said if she is in surgery, x-ray then wouldn’t be needed because he can cut her open and look inside. He also said all surgery is risky regardless, it is the bloodwork i would need because if the kidney is bad then there would be no surgery. Plus the blood-work can rule out liver and kidney problem. But I won’t do surgery at his clinic because it’s way over budget.

At the moment,there is nothing else i can really do because she just won’t eat even though i have given her medicine and critical care for over a week or more.. She can’t go on like this with critical care everyday.. Longer i wait the worse it is because she will only keep on losing weigh 

[skysblue]

No more “Good morning, Coffee, where are you”..No more rabbit coming under the dinner table whenever we have dinner… No more rabbit trying to act cute for treats whenever she sees me in the kitchen…No more rabbit doing tricks and running to me for fruits and veggie…No more rabbit cuddling with me on the yoga mat and watch TV….No more Coffee….

In almost exactly 3 months, since March 25 and today June 26. I lost the two loves of my life…

[NewBunnyOwner123]

Binky free Coffee. I’m terribly sorry for your loss. She had a long life of 8 years.

[jerseygirl]

I’m so sorry. It’s been a difficult few weeks for you. Coffee is free of her trouble now but I know it still leaves a huge hole in your heart when they’re gone.
***Binky Free Coffee***

[skysblue]

It is a huge hole that i don’t know when will it be recovered. I still grief for my other rabbit who died 3 months ago. The images of their last moment grasping for air stuck in my mind vividly..I am afraid to sleep every night. Memories and guilt haunt my everyday. I can’t save them… I can’t save them..

Thanks everyone who tried to help Coffee and I…

[LittlePuffyTail]

I’m so very, very sorry to hear about the passing of Coffee. I’m sure she knew how much you loved her.

(((Binky Free Coffee))))

[tanlover14]

I am so sorry for your loss, sky. ((Binky Free Coffee))

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