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Forum HOUSE RABBIT Q & A Vet thinks it is Bordetella. Prescribed Baytril injections.

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    • HippityHopMom
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        My vet has prescribed Baytril injections, every 12 hrs for 5 days.  Diag:   Bacteria infection … possibly Bordetella.

        My first experience with such an illness.  Anything else I should do for her ?  

        Explain: My rabbit (Panda)  began sneezing 3 days ago. On that day, she had a milky color nasal drip, not a heavy drip though.  I noted her cleaning her nose a few times with her paws.  Eyes looked clear and bright. No running eyes.   I immed. got my 2nd rabbit upstairs and away from “Panda”.  .   Otherwise, Panda was doing well  (eating, poop looked good).  Next day very little sneezing & eating well.   Third day, she was sleeping more in a meat loaf position & when she did move around, she was not balancing well and falling some.  Also,  not interested in her breakfast in which she normally dives into.  She stumbled into her little cat tent & her eyes did not look normal.  I got her to the vet immed.    My vet knows a good amount about rabbits.   He did a slide smear on some of her nasal drip.  Her nasal had very little nasal drip when I took her to vet.  (this was yesterday Mar 19).  But, vet was able to get some on slide.  He also took a sample from her ear.   He did not do a culture.   He said her heart sounded good.  (I just learned she is 9.5 yrs old …. I pulled her adoption papers I had on her and called her prior vet in another city & found out her birth date.  I have had her 5 yrs and she has been in remarkable heath these past 5 years here with me) .    Yesterday, my vet checked her all over… teeth, etc.  He said the smear showed she did have a  “nasty bacteria ” is the way he put it to me…. either pasteurella or bordetella …. he is suspecting it is bordetella because he said her nasal discharge is not all crusty and green color.   I can hear a slight rattle in her breathing at times when I handle her.   Now let me advise, several days before Panda began sneezing, I did go to a different vet clinic to check on my foster dog.  I was taken in the back where vet had my foster dog.  This room was dark, concrete wet floor run.   I was so saddened where they were keeping the foster dog.  He is a Husky & at the vet for heart worm treatment.  I returned to the vet with a blanket for him to sleep on.  Left blanket at vet to throw away when I picked up my foster.  Did not want to bring home germs on the blanket.   But, now I suspect I brought home bordetella germs on my shoes and Panda roams around often on the floor where I spend much of my time … also my foster dog was brought home and in this same large room.  (My pet room).   Note,  foster dog vet and my rabbit vet are different vets and different vet offices.    My vet asked if I could give Panda injections.  Yes I can.  My vet advised me  the Baytril injections would be better than oral.  I am giving one injection every 12 hrs.  for 5 days.    Nothing else.    She saw vet 24 hrs ago … she is still sleeping often, this morning she was out of her tent and in her litter pan nibbling some.  She is eating some cilantra,  pellets and small amt. of hay.  One inch of carrot.  Not drinking near as much, but this is most likely due to her not eating as much hay right now.  Right now she prefers the greens when she is eating.  


      • tanlover14
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          I am battling an upper resp. infection with my newest little bun that we rescued. Do you know what dose the Baytril injections are? My vet has my girl on .07mL twice a day for 2 weeks, although she’s only a few months old. Hers are also being done orally.

          We brought her in for her constant sneezing with a tiny bit of discharge every now and then – her first 48 hours on the Baytril almost seemed worse than she was before she took it but after those 48 hours her sneezing began going down quite a bit. She’s been on the meds for a week now and only sneezes about once, maybe twice a day.

          If I’m not mistaken, a lot of these bacterias a large percentage actually carry with no symptoms. An illness or stress can make their immune systems unable to hold the bacteria under control and thats when they begin experiencing symptoms so I wouldn’t put the blame on yourself.


        • MeggoWaffle
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            When you say injections do you mean you are giving injections with a needle under the skin rather than giving the injection formula (instead of liquid suspension) into her mouth?

            I ask because subcutaneous injections can cause nasty skin abscesses unless injected with a saline solution. My bun is on Baytril right now (pill dissolved and given orally), as well as daily subcutaneous fluids. I have the option of giving subcutaneous injections of Baytril but only into the hump of fluid right after I give her subQs.


          • HippityHopMom
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              Yes, I am giving her a subcutaneous injection.   The vet said this was better than oral because if given orally, it could bother her digestion.   He told me to give on her sides, alternating each side each injection.  I have always given dogs diabetic injections on the nap of their neck.  I feel more comfortable doing this on the neck where there is more fat to lift.   I just watched a video of a vet giving instructions for a subcutaneous injection on a rabbit and he recommended the back of the neck area.  I think I  will change to the neck area.  I am just not real comfortable doing this in her side.     Vet did not advise possible sores from injections.      

              She was doing good at 2pm today … she came out of her tent and moved around and ate a larger amount of food.     She is resting again and back in her tent this afternoon.  


            • HippityHopMom
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                tanlover .. I will have to check on dosage & let you know.  Vet fixed up dosage in 10 needles for me.  So the needles are all ready to use already prepared with correct dosage.   Needles are downstairs and I just got finished steam cleaning the floors in my big pet room ….. Whew … what a job… couple hrs on hard floor moving things, vac and steam mop.   Just in case there is a Bordetella germ I may have brought in on my shoes …the floors have been steamed mopped now.  You may be correct though that I did not bring anything in on shoes … as my Cocker Spaniel has not come down with Bordetella.   It has been a couple of years since I had him vaccinated for this.  Either his previous vaccines are still keeping him safe …. or it may not be Bordetella.     My bun that is sick is 9.5 yrs old … so it could be her body is getting old and her immune system not like it use to be.   I have had her 5 years and she has never been sick in the past.


              • MeggoWaffle
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                  That is great that you feel comfortable giving the injections – I certainly would do it for my rabbit if I could afford it! It’s about twice as expensive as the pills. But you might want to ask your doc about combining what’s in the needle with a saline or something – or maybe he has already done it for you. Here is more info on the abscesses: http://www.medirabbit.com/Safe_medication/Antibiotics/Safe_antibiotics.htm


                • Sarita
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                    I think it’s only a problem with long-term injections. I’ve done tons of injections on rabbits with no problems.

                    Please keep us updated on Panda – healing vibes to her.


                  • LittlePuffyTail
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                      Just want to offer some (((((Get Well Soon)))) Vibes for Panda.


                    • HippityHopMom
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                        tanlover ….. my bun is getting 7cc per injection … again this is twice per day – 12 hrs apart for 5 days.   ~~~

                         

                        Let me also mention to all helping me here ….  My vet also told me if she begins to tilt her head and/or her eyes do funny things like rapid movements to call him immed.     I did not ask what this would indicate if this happens ?     Appears she is preferring softer foods right now.   Maybe sore gums or teeth … But, just like us .. jaws/teeth/gums can get very sore if we have a sinus infection.  Once my hubby went to dentist with a bad tooth ache … turned out it was a sinus infection & nerve going down to the tooth caused his gum to swell. My vet did look at her teeth when she was there this week,  but no Xray taken then.  I am sure he did not want to stress her too much with unecc. tests then and run up my bill at that point in time.   She is still doing good … still showing she is not feeling well and not moving around much, but she is moving around “some”.  She has always been a very calm rabbit.  


                      • HippityHopMom
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                          MeggoWaffle … thank you for info and link.   I have given dogs diabetic injections so this is reason I am comfortable doing this.   I own a small dog boarding business & a couple of my clients have diab. dogs.    My husband is helping me.  Right now he is sticking Panda while I hold her and keep her calm her because she knows me better and will sit still for me while I sit & rub her ears and talk to her … while hubby is behind her and gives her the injection.   Hubby use to give his former wife diabetic injections, so he is a good helper with this task.      

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