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BINKYBUNNY FORUMS > BONDING > The Tale of Bunjamin Franklin (Photo Bomb)
Last Post by jerseygirl at 11/06/2012 4:47 PM (72 Replies)
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User is Offline Skipper's Mama
Florida
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10/24/2012 3:03 PM
So sweet! =] I think it's a good sign that they can eat near each other.

User is Offline tanlover14
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10/25/2012 5:06 AM
^ Agreed. Once I could put them together with no fights, I put a bowl of veggies in there to see what they'd do and shockingly, they all ate together out of the same dish no problems! I was such a proud bunny momma!

Let us know if there have been any updates lately! I love hearing about others bonding experiences.
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User is Offline FrankieFlash
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10/25/2012 9:14 AM
Sorry I didn't wanna update if no one was interested. PLUS it's been super busy so we haven't done any face to face, neutral territory bonding sessions. Just letting them get comfortable with each other. We did move her condo into Bunjamin's room:



Yesterday we took turns who got run around time (we separated them by cage and pen over top. I really want to avoid a fight since they can't pretty much ruin it so I'm not letting them get that close without supervision.)

When we had them in the pen on Sweets side of the house, Bunjamin was crazy. He marked everywhere, sprayed (which he never has done before this bonding thing). But as territorial as he was, he was doing binkies:


Today they are going up north with us to my parents. Part of the way we'll do some stress bonding in the car. Wish us luck!


User is Offline Skipper's Mama
Florida
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10/25/2012 1:17 PM
Good luck Frankie! I hope it goes well. Bunjamin looks happy. =] It seems like things are going relatively smooth. And I agree with TL keep updating! =] It gives me hope that when we get our second bun we can do the whole bonding thing. =p

User is Offline mocha200
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10/25/2012 1:25 PM
Bonding is very stressful and can bring lots of tears but just remember to stick with it! It is also a roller coaster! One day you can think it went great and the next they could fight! it doesn't mean they wont bond though! Also don't move forward to soon! It is best to start out in small neutral areas and stress them like a car ride or a laundry basket on a running dryer. If they do fine with that move to a bathtub or if you don't have one, a small bathroom. If you give them to much space to quickly it makes things worse! I moved from having a bathtub to a pen and they must not have been ready because they ended up fighting (that was 1 fight out of maybe 2 they had the whole bonding process. Another thing to remember a lot of the time (at least with my buns) I would have to take a step back before I took a step forward. Another good thing to do when your are in a bigger area then a basket or a kennel is to do a few minutes of "stressing" before the session and then if they get really wild during the bonding session put them back in the basket and stress them again. I hope this helps! I had a VERY emotional bonding experience and I am sure everyone on binkybunny thought I was crazy for crying so much but after 8 months they finally bonded (I took a month or two off in there though so I was only bonding for 7-6 months of it. It probably would have gone faster if I would have been consistent and did 1-2 bonding sessions a day. It is good you have your bf to help you though! It is hard being the only one bonding!
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User is Offline FrankieFlash
Michigan
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10/25/2012 2:20 PM
OH gosh. Thanks for sharing Mocha. I sure hope it doesn't take that long but it's easier now that they live in same room.

User is Offline CinnabunMom
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10/26/2012 2:56 AM
Looks like things are slowly progressing! Bunjamin doing binkies....*bun naps*
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User is Offline lmais
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10/26/2012 3:26 AM

What a cutie Chinning his litter box! I wanted to get a second bunny but Ruby tried to kill me for coming home smelling like another bunny! Definitely keep the updates coming, I want to know what I'm in for when I brave bonding!


User is Offline FrankieFlash
Michigan
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10/26/2012 10:22 AM
*slaps CM's hand*

And I know the chinning the litter box is pretty funny. If the poops, the pee, and the whole thing didn't smell like him lol. We're making progress I feel. They cuddled the whole trip (with lots of pets of course) and they're in their own room right now. Tonight we'll do a session in the bathroom since there is so much neutral territory at my parents house. And they have 4 dogs to avoid. Really only 2 of the dogs they have to avoid but I don't let any of them in there unsupervised and the supervised ones are old or scared of the rabbits lol.

User is Offline FrankieFlash
Michigan
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10/26/2012 6:12 PM
okay I need help! We don't know if what happened tonight while the bonding session was good or bad.
Scenerio: neutral territory, a bathroom at my parents house. With litterbox, hay and willow leaves.

Sweets was very timid and barely moved while bunjamin was completely comfortable. They had a bow war like usual. We stepped in so there would be no fighting but everytime she doesn't groom him when he asks he humps her. Like 3 or 4 times in a row. We heard we were suppose to let it happen as long as she wasn't running away or he wasn't doing her face so we let it happen.

Well tonight during the humping he started pulling her hair. Sometimes hair would come out. Before we could stop it he jumped off her and groomed her face. Kisses and nibbles on the ear. Nothing hard. She jumped a little at first (I think she was just as shocked as us) but didn't move at all during this.

So was the fur pulling bad or good. She never jumped or tried to get away during any of it and I wonder if the fur that came out was loose because they are both shedding. I don't want to put them together again until I know whether this was good or bad.

User is Offline tanlover14
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10/26/2012 7:30 PM
Confusing scenario but are you sure it wasn't just rubbing off onto his face? I mean...everything else sounds insanely perfect and very bond worthy. Him grooming her is a very, very good sign though for sure. Sometimes my buns will yank at hair on the others though not hard but almost like they are trying to get a knot of hair off when grooming .. or maybe he was just trying to be playful? My buns will nip and yank at us when they are feeling playful and do the same things to each other.

I can't give any clear answers but I definitely don't think this is a bad sign.
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User is Offline mocha200
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10/27/2012 5:37 AM
When Mocha (the male and dominant) would hump Lulu He would sort of latch on to her hair and pull it out too. I think it is ok as long as its not pulling skin off with it! I was always really bad at letting my bunnies hump each other without doing anything about it but I tried the best I could. Do you think you or your bf could take a video during a bonding session so we could see what they are like? Bonding has always fascinated me and I love looking at how other bunnies react. Also some pictures too maybe?

It is AWESOME that he is already grooming her! It seems like he is the dominate one (?) If so Mocha didn't groom Lulu until about a week before they were bonded!
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User is Offline tanlover14
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10/27/2012 5:49 AM
I completely agree with Mocha! If you can get a video, I'd also LOVE to see it!

My buns also didn't groom each other (well the boys latch on instantly and were grooming during the first session but I think that's mainly because Tanger is a VERY submissive bunny) but the boy and girl didn't start grooming until they were almost completely bonded!
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User is Offline FrankieFlash
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10/27/2012 8:14 AM
Well that makes me feel better. I almost squealed when he groomed her head. I wish i knew how she felt because she just sits there the whole time. I will try to get a video if we do a bonding session today.

User is Offline tanlover14
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10/27/2012 11:20 AM
Well, I squealed for you when you said there was grooming involved! It's such a good thing for them to groom NEXT to each other but to groom EACH OTHER! bAHHHHH. Major SQUEAL! I'm so excited for you -- I LOVE hearing about bonding buns so keep the info coming!

As obsessed with buns as my boyfriend and I are now I'm sure FAR in the future we will be bonding more and need all the advice and experiences we can get in the meantime!
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User is Offline NikitaSue20
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10/27/2012 11:44 AM
This is super helpful because I got a month before I have to rebond thump and oreo. very worried about it but it does seem like things are going in good directions for you. =D

User is Offline peppypoo
Texas
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10/28/2012 12:17 PM
I haven't read this thread in a few days...glad to come back to good news!

When Peppy and Milo were bonding, Peppy (the dominant one, of course..) would also latch onto Milo's fur while humping him, and try to pull some out. We didn't try to discourage the humping too much unless it got excessive, but if Peppy started pulling Milo's fur while humping we would try to slide a hand under her head to prevent her from grabbing him.

Ahh I miss having a pair! Sweets and Bunjamin are adorable .
Tammo (RIP), Milo (RIP), Peppy, Remi

User is Offline FrankieFlash
Michigan
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10/28/2012 3:23 PM
Thanks Peppy and TL I really hope it works out.
NikitaSue good luck when that comes time!

User is Offline FrankieFlash
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10/31/2012 3:56 PM
UPDATE: So we had a neutral territory bonding session. Sadly we haven't done one since the fur pulling incident. But we're hoping them being in the same room almost 24/7 and have out time (separated by pen) together would help. Until tonight. I decided to try one since we're home and I finally had a small bit of free time. It started off pretty bad. The nose bow war and then bunjamin thumped at Sweets. I always step in and groom them if the nose bow war gets aggressive looking.

So me and Andy decided to try to bribe them into getting along. So we put smushed apples on their head. It of course worked they both groomed each other. Bunjamin groomed Sweets way more. I think he is more into food then her. I thought she was enjoying the grooms though because her eyes got squinty. He still humps her though even when she has smushed apple on her head. *sigh*.

We ended on good note with me petting them together next to each other. They do well with that like in the car-ride. But I can't be there all the time. Andy jokes that this will end up being a trio with me being the third bun. Any advice? I'm not sure where to go next. This is hard. :X

User is Offline mocha200
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11/01/2012 3:37 AM
FrankieFlash: That sounded like a GREAT session! I know the bow wars may seem like a downer but that is just a dominant thing and it will get over. Where were you when you did the session? How long was it? I would continue to do it in that same spot until you can have a session for about an hour or so and you don't have to be as hands on. Just take a book or your laptop and sit in with them. Increase your time every session! If you move to fast and give them to much freedom it could cause a lots of chasing or fighting.
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