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Last Post by Murasaki at 10/12/2012 6:23 PM (60 Replies)
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User is Offline Murasaki
Kanagawa, Japan
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10/07/2012 10:15 PM

I am trying to find a vet that specialize in rabbits, but it is a bit hard.

 I have put Yuki chan on my private insurance so my medical insurance that I use to go to hospital now also covers her 100%.

Entered the Animal Ambulance in to the phone on speed dial if anything should happen, they have the same authority as a normal ambulance for humans when in comes to speed and running red lights.

The nearest Medical Emergence Animal Hospital is only 3 minutes away from my house, and like all hospitals in Japan they are also open 24/7 for emergencies.

I have just ordered a Cage, litter tray, rabbit maze, toys, as in my city there is nothing for rabbits, so at the moment using cardboard boxes... All the items should be here in the next week.


User is Offline tanlover14
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10/08/2012 3:43 AM
Everything sounds like it's going good for her! I'm glad you're so happy with her and working so hard to take such good care of her!
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User is Offline Memarie
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10/08/2012 1:30 PM
Yuki chan is so cute!! If you weren't so far I would be tempted to steal her... Haha. I'm very impressed with all you are doing for her. It looks like she is in really good hands =)

User is Offline Murasaki
Kanagawa, Japan
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10/08/2012 11:32 PM

Thank you Memarieさん .. Yes I am spoiling my little Yuki chan and I think she has noticed it and playing hard to please now.


User is Offline Monkeybun
Hillsboro, Oregon
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10/08/2012 11:37 PM
Oh heck, all bunnies are hard to please We are their slaves, and must bow to all their demands... lol

User is Offline Murasaki
Kanagawa, Japan
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10/09/2012 1:15 AM
Yes I have just noticed that ... I have owned Cats and Dogs all my life and this is the first time with a bunny and I have aged 5 to 7 years in the past few days according to my girlfriend.
Yuki chan knows she has me wrapped around her little feet, if she was any bigger I think she use me as a carpet and walk all over me!


Tell me I am NUTZ for thinking I need to get her a friend in the next 2 weeks ..... Please talk me out of it, p-p-p-please



User is Offline jerseygirl
Australia
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10/09/2012 1:42 AM

She doesn't need a friend yet. She has you guys.

But do consider it carefully because there can be some hiccups that arise as they mature.

1) The sex of rabbits is mistaken ALL THE TIME. Members here can attest to that. So you could end up with 2 boys, 2 girls, or one of each....which means having to separate them so they don't breed. That can happen at a surprisingly early age.

2) Though rabbits might be buddies while young, when they reach 2-3 months of age their hormones arrive. Very often they begin to fight. So then you're looking at separate habitats, looking into getting them desexed to cancel out the effects of the crazy hormones. Then some bonding work to help them get along.

It doesn't always go this way. Some will stay friendly. But just some stuff to think about.

I don't mean to come across anti-rabbit. I KNOW how addictive they are. My house is full now. But if you're considering a 2nd because you think she'd be lonely, give it some time. They are pretty cute how they can bond to us. They settle into a routine of sleeping when you're not around and seek us out when we're home.


User is Offline Murasaki
Kanagawa, Japan
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10/09/2012 3:30 AM

I cannot play with her all the time, as I will return to work next year, and here in Japan most people work about 12 to 15 hours a day, then out with friends for a few hours before returning home.

I use to start work at 1800hrs at night and finish at 0700hrs the next day, then a 2 hour train ride home, so was away from home a total of 17 hours a day at least some days I never returned home and slept in a capsule hotel, the new job will be much the same.

So looking at getting her a playmate once I know her sex, at the moment I think female, but cannot tell yet, I have read on the net how to tell and I have looked and nope no idea yet. 

Once I know the sex then will decide on a friend. I am not one for desexing animals(The mammal called humans YES 7 Billion is too bloody many). I will look at the best option. 

I will be having a new house build next year if all goes to plan, so will have 1 room made just for my bunnies, but they will still have free run of the whole house.

Looking at a cage system like the picture below, but will need it custom made as there is nothing like this in Japan, it will give them the space they need if I am away for long hours or cannot get home (Earthquake 2011).


Also would redesign it with extra floors on the right hand side so bunnies can play on different levels, and the bottom of the cage would be redesigned for easier cleaning for litter tray, food & water bowls, hay dispenser etc.

Note : If the rabbits breed, they would have no problems finding new homes, and here in Japan if you dump an animal you are looking at a prison term of 2 to 5 years. Animal protection is very high in Japan.



User is Offline jerseygirl
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10/09/2012 3:39 AM
With those crazy hours I can definitely understand you wanting to get her a buddy.

Sorry to go off topic; you were there during the Quake & Tsunami? I still have a hard time comprehending that event - the enormity and loss...

User is Offline Murasaki
Kanagawa, Japan
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10/09/2012 4:25 AM

I moved to Japan in 2003, I was living only 200ks south of the leaking nukes. At the time of the quake I was in Yokohama, 10 floors up, the whole building swayed 1 meter either way throwing us all to the ground and turning the place in to a war zone, the trip home that normally takes 45 minute through the Aqua line took 15 hours, because all express ways were closed, all trains stopped, a 10 minute trip across Shibuya took 1 hour because of all the traffic. when I finally got home the next morning at just after 10am, my house was a wreck everything was destroyed, 2ks east of me the oil refinery went up and there was a huge blaze sending thick black smoke over my place, about a week after the quake I was told a family member of the wife(now divorced) was missing and 1 of my clients were also missing, 4 months after the quake they found the family member dead, the client they have never found his body.

I moved to Kanazawa-Ku last year and now been told to expect a M8+ quake here, in the next 5. I am on Tokyo Bay and from the information shown on TV if the quake hits and there is a Tsunami my house will be under 20 meters of water. ... ... .... 

And as I am typing this Yuki chan has just jumped a 40cm Barrier I set up to enclose her...  was not expecting that ... bugger it!

Chat later, I need to think of a new plan for the bunny, she has thrown a hissy fit being locked up and for the past 10 minutes has being trying to escape and she did it


User is Offline Monkeybun
Hillsboro, Oregon
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10/09/2012 4:57 AM
I know you said you aren't one for desexing animals... but with female rabbits especially, it is very beneficial. Not just for the no babies factor, either. Female rabbits have an extremely high chance, 80-85%, of getting uterine cancer by age 4. Please reconsider, for her sake. Cancer is never pleasant

User is Offline Murasaki
Kanagawa, Japan
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10/09/2012 12:10 PM
I have been searching the net on Japanese sites about rabbits with cancer and here in Japan the percentage is extremely low, the rabbit specialist are saying the difference between rabbits in Japan and the rest of the world is the diet they are put on and what has been put on the food, All rabbit food in Japan is organic and no pesticides have been used on them, the pellets have been designed to give the right amount of fiber, proteins, fats to make bunny healthy. They are saying one problem is water, for the best for home bunnies is to filter the water before giving it to them, to remove all the added chemicals that is put in the water for humans, eg : Fluoride, Chlorine both of which cause cancer.

I will talk to the Rabbit specialist in Yokohama in about a months time when I take Yuki chan for a complete medical. I do not like interfering with mother nature or karma, reason is because I am a Buddhist.

User is Offline LoveChaCha
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10/09/2012 1:05 PM
Female rabbits unspayed are very hard to deal with and are very very hormonal. I am talking from experience with my little one, and she is now almost 3 years of age. She is no longer hormonal, and just her cranky self

Also, if you wish to get her a friend, you'll need to get her spayed because.. sometimes females get territorial and do not like others in their space

I have friends in Japan that have rabbits and their diets are basically the same as the bunnies in the US. The rabbit food here in the US has evolved and become a lot better. A lot have said that other rabbit parents in Japan don't really spay and neuter due to the high price. Have you looked at the House Rabbit Society website?

http://www.rabbit.org/faq/sections/spay-neuter.html
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User is Offline Murasaki
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10/09/2012 2:38 PM

Female Rabbits are hard to deal with?? ... Females in general no matter what are hard to deal with and very very hormonal .. that is living with them for 26 years  ★I am so in trouble★ 

I have just been on the phone to the Rabbit Dr in Yokohama, making an appointment for my Yuki chan, and asked about getting her spayed, if Yuki is a female, the Dr said it is best if I let her have a litter then have her spayed then she will keep her character,  The Dr said if I get another Netheland Dwarf it would be the best idea, so the litter is not a mixed breed.

I still do not like the idea of playing GOD and remove parts of her/his body, I have never done it with any of my cats or dogs ... So I really do not want to do it with my rabbits. Mother Nature created it and I do not have the right to change what nature created.

These are the views of a Buddhist.. So people may thing I am a little weird.


User is Offline DaisyBinks
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10/09/2012 4:20 PM
I do not think you are weird. My beliefs also put nature first. However, nature also made female rabbits so they can have litter after litter after litter, which a house rabbit does not (and should not) be doing. This is a lot of what contributes to the higher risk of cancer. A female bunny's body is constantly getting ready for babies.

I also do not recommend letting your rabbit have a litter before spaying her. This will only contribute to an already existing large rabbit population, many if not most of which do not find good homes such as ours and many of which are neglected or left to die. Even if you were to find homes for all the babies, it would be a lot of work and you would never know what happened to them.

I understand not wanting to play god, and a lot of your reasons for not wanting to spay your rabbit. I was completely unable to name my Bunny a "real" name because of a lot of my beliefs. But you also made the choice to take a living creature into your home who will have a happier, healthier, and likely longer life if you spay her. It's like having a child but not wanting to make medical decisions for it, which you would need to do, or face neglect charges.

I have never heard of a rabbit keeping their personality if they have a litter first. That's like saying a ten year old girl will be the same personality as she is when she's 18, or when she's 30. Personality changes occur with age for all creatures.

User is Offline tanlover14
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10/09/2012 5:24 PM
I would just like to point out, on the comment about them losing their personalities if spayed before having a litter.... my bun before her spay became really skittish and refused to let us touch her or even really be around her. She was constantly running from us and hiding and always seemed nervous and on guard. After her spay, she became A LOT happier. She began interacting with us, like the other buns we have, and she finally began developing a very goofy personality that was all her own! I think she was only able to do so by getting her spayed. She, in all senses, became a much HAPPIER bunny.

Also, I understand the reasoning behind your beliefs and such -- but I have to agree with DaisyBinks on her points behind female bunnies and their constant need to breed. It's ultimately your decision, of course, but with such a high risk of cancer it's very dangerous for her not to be spayed.
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User is Offline Murasaki
Kanagawa, Japan
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10/09/2012 8:02 PM

Mother nature made Bunnies Breed a lot and fast because sad to say they are prey, so higher number are produced to ensure that at least a few will not become some Hawks or Foxes dinner ... But on saying that ... I completely understand what people are saying, but I still need to think about it and need to do my own research on the matter then I will decide .... At the moment I can pick Yuki chan up, check her teeth, her feet, brush her and she is fine and happy with me... I lay down on the floor and she will sit between my arms while I am on the laptop. I go to the toilet and she will follow me there and wait out side, then follow me back to the living room ... So I do not want to do something that she will hate me later ...

I had to take my mothers cat to the vets to get fixed and after that the cat hated me like there was no tomorrow ......

I have a question in regards to Toys.

 In Japan we have

Loquat Balls

Yam Balls

Guava Balls

Shiso Balls

Mint Balls

Which are like the Willow Balls but made from other woods, do you know if Bunny can have them?

The vets here say it is fine to feed Rabbits natural Yogurt, Un-heated/un-treated natural honey (not the rubbish that is sold for humans) Oats that have not be processed or had any thing done to them. But what I read on the net in English is saying NO to everything the vets are saying YES too .. Someone please explain?

And I assumed Yuki chan was expensive at ¥15000 … but these Netheland Dwarf Bunnies are over ¥52,000 or about $US665

Netheland Dwarf Bunnies


User is Offline BB
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10/09/2012 9:24 PM

Welcome to BinkyBunny! Oh, and ou don't need to worry about being a "dude" here. We have quite a few guy members actually. I am glad you found us and hopefully we can be helpful even though some of what we say is going to be contradictory to the information you have received.


You have to do what you feel is right for your spiritual journey/religion. But part of our job is to educate and then of course, you can decide if what we say can be incorporated in whatever decision you make. Domestic rabbits are a product of human interference from 200 years of breeding that changes body shapes, colors, sizes and even characteristics.(mostly to be more docile and less skittish-- even the most skittish rabbit is usually more docile their wild cousins). So now what we have is a rabbit with some domestic behaviors but stuck also with some wild instincts that can make things more challenging for them. (and their owners). When your bunny reaches sexual maturity, you may find that she may get territorial which can mean marking/spraying and sometimes even grunting and aggression. This can be triggered even more by another animal and/or bunny, (which is another reason to really wait before bringing another bunny in, so I caution you about that). You will begin to notice a change starting after 12 weeks.


The other thing to consider is that unspayed female rabbits have a higher rate of cancer. Now these percentages are a bit controversial as well since the actual percentages range from 40% - 80%, and usually that's due to the percentage of risk increasing with age. So an unspayed female may not be at as much risk for the first few years, but the cancer risk percentage increases in time. After five years old, spaying can be a bit riskier, so by the time the cancer risk is very high, it sometimes is riskier to do the surgery (blood test and health checks should be done first). So that's why people will recommend spaying earlier. Again, this is not to tell you that your decision to spay or not to spay is right or wrong, but it's definitely something to be aware of.


As far as a vet suggesting a bunny to have a litter first. I have never heard that come from any rabbit-savvy vet or expert around here. Please note that the discussion of breeding is not allowed on this board because it can be controversial, but I wanted to at least give some additional information as you decide whether or not to spay. One thing I have heard is that yes, some behaviors can set in if spayed/neutered later, and that can sometimes mean bad habits -- like spraying.

And I am so shocked at the young age (3 weeks) that bunnies are allowed to be sold there -- the babies are not getting the kind of nutrition and gi tract bacteria balance they need. This can set them up for life of digestive issues over time.  Also, babies are much more susceptible to infection,so it's better if they stay with their mother until 8 weeks to strengthen their immune system. I have heard that a very healthy bunny can be weaned as early as 5 months,but it really shouldn't be common practice. And three weeks just seems bizarre.   I am very glad your bunny is doing well now, but in general this is not a healthy practice for bunny care. (Though I know you didn't have any control over that). .


As far as the toys you mentioned -- I've never heard of them and so I cannot comment. If they have food/treats included, I would not offer any as your bunny is young and still trying to build up his/her healthy gut bacteria. Which also means yogurt drops. Yogurt drops usually have sugar and milk which can promote an unhealthy bacteria growth in the gi tract. http://www.rabbit.org/faq/sections/...ies/Sugars

I think right now, just focus on keeping her healthy and safe like you are doing. She is very lucky to have great humans who love her so much and are researching and checking out all the options. That speaks volumes. You have time to decide regarding the spay.

These are a few good resources as well to start with.:
www.rabbit.org.
http://www.rabbit.org/faq/sections/diet.html (diet specific)
http://www.sandiegorabbits.org/diet...ology.html
http://www.bio.miami.edu/hare/rabbithealth.html

Again, welcome and keep us udpated!

User is Offline LoveChaCha
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10/09/2012 9:28 PM
Yogurt or any dairy products are not recommended because rabbits do not need dairy in their diet. Too much calcium is not good for their sensitive stomach. Too much can lead to sludge like urine. A rabbits GI Tract is very different from other animals, thus the difference in dietary needs.
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User is Offline Murasaki
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10/09/2012 10:53 PM

OK now I have a problem, what I read in English and what I read in Japanese are really two different things ... What I am now reading on this board and what I am being told from the Rabbit Specialist here in Japan is also very different ... So now as a new Bunny Slave I am confused!

Today I brought Alfalfa Hay and bunny has gone STUPID over it, she has not touched her pellet blend, just water and hay ... she has been doing Bunny 500 since I got home from the vets and pet shop, and at the moment she is driving me nutz

I tried to buy her bedding today and all they have is bedding made from Japanese Tree shavings ...and I have search on the net and there is NOTHING to say that the Japanese Trees are safe for bunny .... but there is NOTHING else to buy for bedding or for the Toilet, but the Japanese stuff.

Edited 1825hrs (JST) : Yuki chan just chilling out!

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