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BINKYBUNNY FORUMS > RESCUE EFFORTS FOR SHELTERS > Our new little bunnies... (Kafrn and JG)
Last Post by jerseygirl at 6/02/2012 7:55 AM (60 Replies)
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User is Offline BB
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2/01/2012 2:49 PM

 This is a very sad situation. No good deed goes unpunished.  I wonder if this guy has found himself overwhelmed and is embarrassed to reveal how much so.  Maybe he is just realizing only now how crazy this situation really is as a few rabbits can turn into a hundred in a short amount of time. And he either is just not understanding how bad this can get (or just beginning to realize it) and is looking for ways to try and shrink the problem, even though it's only a temporary fix to the REAL problem.  Because if he really knew how quickly this is going to get out of hand (even worse than it was), you'd think he and his family would spend their waking hours making sure all adutls were separated and accounted for.   

I can't imagine how  hard this is to deal with,  -- trying to manage this all on your own has now got be overwhelming.  I'm so sorry that this is happening.  It can't be easy to try and save these bunnies, and watch heartbreaking consequences to this man's type of care.  Regardless of  what's really going on with him, he seems looking for a life raft and if he's not careful, he could sink the whole boat.

 I hope he will listen to you and follow direction, but at this point, he really shouldn't be owning any rabbits as he can't manage them responsibly. 

What are his goals with this situation anyway?  Does he want to keep any of these rabbits?  It's not an animal hoarding situation is it?  (though it seems to be quickly on the way to one). What does he say he wants from all of this?  

I also agree that if there is any way to get more help from rescues, animal groups.  (or to hand it over to them and you just help them out), that would be ideal.  I don't know if the guy wants to get anyone else involved, but it needs to be impressed on him how quickly this will get out of hand and that you two cannot handle it all. That the way to get this taken care of in timely manner is to have more help. 

It sounds like you are working on a plan of action (great to hear about the foster network you are trying to put together), and Elrohwens suggestion of separating out the females, and then Bekas suggestion of just getting them out one by one if need be to a vet is a great plan. Hopefully all the expenses would be cared for by the family!  

Do you have animal rescue groups locally that can come and actually check on this situation?   I'm not sure what the laws or regulations are there, but I for some reason thought that reckless(even if it was unintentional) breeding of a rabbit would be a big no no, especially in Australia. 

Regarding the photos -- EDITED:  I can see where it would be a bit confusing as this is a rescue situation and you yourselves are not intentionally breeding these bunnies.  I think that because this is a rescue situation,  limited photos are okay  -  if it is directly related to a health or behavior issue where the photos help with understanding and explanation, as well as help guide others to offering better advice based on a visual.  It's just that showing for the sake of "baby cuteness" is where the line is drawn. 

I will also be moving this soon to the Rescue Section.   


User is Offline Kafrn
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2/01/2012 3:21 PM
Thank you everyone for your comments and input for this situation... My personal opinion is that this man is trying to do his best but the situation has gotten out of control. The first litter that he had, he took top the local fodder store so they could sell them. The following day he went back to the fodder store, and saw the condition of how the babies were being kept... And he bought the whole litter back from them, and went to our local pet shop for help.
Our local Pet shop does not sell rabbits / kittens / guinea pigs / mic / rats etc anymore because they are upset by the overpopulation problem. When someone comes in looking for a rabbit they give the customer my shop address and people come up here. Because of our facebook page, sometimes we can help out with rehoming unwanted bunnies, and we get them to fill out an adoption form, and try to help out if its a good home.
This man is desexing his rabbits. I agree that there is an issue somewhere, because the problem is getting out of hand, but he is willing for us to go to his house and help sex and seperate the remaining rabbits, which is great because he understands there is a problem and is working to fix it.
He isnt breeding intentionally, as he is receiving no money or anything from these babies. He is genuinely concerned about where they will be rehomed. But YES, he has made a mistake having all these babies and I am in no way making excuses for him .

The problem that JG and I were faced with when we went to his house the other day (to help sex the rabbits) was that this young litter was dying. Some looked healthy and some did not. I had the option of leaving them there to die, or taking the sick ones home and trying to help. I chose to help.

We have issues with our local "shelter" here in Adelaide. Unfortunately there is only one person who claims to "walk the walk" with rabbits in SA, and I am sorry but after many personal experiences with this individual, she is not coming anywhere near any rabbit in my care. I cant say much more than that because it is a current issue we are dealing with.

We are happy to seek assistance from the RSPCA if needed, but as for the yard where the babies have come from, the bunnies there are kept within the regulations of the animal welfare act. It is not against the law to breed here, the government relies heavily on environmental control to curb the population, and this guy really does only have 5 permanent resident rabbits. The RSPCA would praise him for keeping them in such a lovely yard. They could certainly help us with the rehoming process of the babies though!!!


Today is Day 3. We have 2 very fat, wriggly babies who (after a bout of diarrhea yesterday) are now pooing normally and weeing all over me as they take their bottle. They are doing so well! (Touch wood)

They are a lot bigger than they were yesterday. I fed them every 2 hours through the night, and they are coming to work with me and sleeping on JGs wheat bag for warmth. Healing vibes for these little dudes please everyone!!! I know that it is a touch and go situation, but we are really having to take one day at a time. TODAY they are doing well, and I am thankful for that.
What weighs 35 tonnes, has four fuzzy ears and is 80 million years old? Two rabbits riding a brontosaurus.

User is Offline Kafrn
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2/01/2012 3:25 PM
Thanks BB, I wont post anymore pics. I honestly dind't post them for the cuteness factor, as its a serious situation and especially after having to bury two of them yesterday, we are certainly more concerned for the babies wellbeing. I wanted to show you just how small these guys are that we are dealing with, but I promise not to post any more unless we have a health issue that we need advice on or something like that.
What weighs 35 tonnes, has four fuzzy ears and is 80 million years old? Two rabbits riding a brontosaurus.

User is Offline bunnyfriend
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2/01/2012 3:41 PM
What an unfortunate situation, poor bunnies. You guys are so dedicated!! I'm glad the 2 bunnies are doing better.
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User is Offline BB
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2/01/2012 9:35 PM
Posted By Kafrn on 02/01/2012 06:25 PM
Thanks BB, I wont post anymore pics. I honestly dind't post them for the cuteness factor, as its a serious situation and especially after having to bury two of them yesterday, we are certainly more concerned for the babies wellbeing. I wanted to show you just how small these guys are that we are dealing with, but I promise not to post any more unless we have a health issue that we need advice on or something like that.

No worries.  I have only seen the two photos and I understand the reason behind it as it was relating to health.  JG had just mentioned in one of her posts if would be okay to post photos  and I was clarifying the rules as it can get a little confusing. 


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2/02/2012 2:23 AM
Thanks for the clarification, BB. I took the photos as K. intended, so I did like one in particular that JG has since removed which showed their growth and improvement in just one day. Suffice to say that they are obviously improving with both of your care, and I think these 2 have a strong chance of pulling through.

Also, K, thanks for explaining the situation with him in more detail. You want to give him the benefit of the doubt, but litters happen so fast that I can hear many people say "I meant to get them all fixed next month after I got paid, etc." not realizing how quickly it gets out of hand.

That's why (for anyone reading this) I urge new bunny owners to make the appointment with the vet NOW, way in advance, by months even if necessary, to get the speuter done. Don't wait for gender id, don't house with other rabbits at all, let the vet do it as soon as they are comfortable but plan on it. It's kind of like getting a screening for a disease: by the time you can see the lump it's late. By the time you are sure know a bunny's gender, they are already fertile.

K, put a fire under the RSPCA to really help you with some assistance. If they have any funding that can cover your expenses in exchange for being a formal foster site, get it from them. If they have resources locally to help you connect with sources of food, habitats, supplies, other fosters, tap them. In other words, make them help you help them. Also your local government service agencies may have some immediate assistance available for fosters or even potential new rescue operations. An hour of local research on the net may be fruitful while these bunnies multiply!
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User is Offline jerseygirl
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2/04/2012 5:41 PM

The 2 little infant buns are still kicking along and taking their milk 6 days after Kafrn took them on. So great to see!!

As for the other rabbits, the 8 fosters at my place are settled nicely and didn't take them long to relax. They are actually using a litter box reasonably well also! We did some photos the other day for their adoptions and have already had a nice response. 2 possibly going to new homes within the next 2 days. http://www.facebook.com/pages/Adela...2634013204

We also revisited the house and double checked all the mature rabbits. There were 4 females and 2 desexed males. We also learnt one male was only just desexed the week before Christmas and not kept separated post neuter. The people did not know to do this.
The timing of these last litters does work out to fall in the zone when a buck is still fertile post neuter. So the 2 males are now separated out for another fortnight just to be absolutely sure.

We did a check over the 5 week old buns and tried to sex most. Glad we did as we found one that needed attention with messy poo bottom.
After the visit yesterday I was feeling like things were a bit more in control. There's a lot of buns going to be needing new homes but I feel the cycle has been stopped now, at least in this one back yard.


User is Offline Kafrn
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2/04/2012 6:16 PM
Cant wait to see the foster babies again! *Squee!*
Earlie and Pekoe are doing really well. They are SUPER hungry today, and I think if I just let them suck continuously on the syringe, they would eat all day!
When they first came in I was feeding every 2 hours for the whole 24 hours. Now that they are a bit bigger and stronger, and not dehydrated, they have come back to one feed every 4 - 5 hours which is great because I only have to get up once in the night.
Pekoe had a REALLY bad bloat episode the other night. His tummy was enormous, I thought we were going to lose him throughout the night. I gave him a smidgen of Infacol, and a few hours of tummy rubs and then let him rest. I thought we were going to lose him, but thankfully in the morning he was back to normal size. I was so relieved. There was poo everywhere. I think he drank too much. Sometimes they do little turbo sucks and then fall asleep. Maybe he swallowed too much air?

I should have tried burping him. heh heh.

Both babies are so different. They are exactly the same colour but Pekoe has a round head shape, where Earlie has a little pointed nose.
I know that you are not meant to sex them until they are much older but we had a look the other day and I reckon Pekoe is a boy and Earlie is a girl... We will have to wait until they are older and its a bit more clear, lol but its fun to have a guess.

Anyway they are starting to attempt little *hops* around their nesting container, and their eyes are getting ready to open, you can see it! Hopefully they will open tonight Im going to visit JG and it would be cool if they did it then!!!!!!!!!
Now that they are taking larger feeds less frequently, they sleep really heavily. JG gave them a wheat bag to borrow and when we heat it up they like to sleep sprawled out on their side in the warmth. Then when I open the lid and they can smell the milk from their syringe, they start wobbling around like crazy.
I dont know if Earlie can smell me, but if I put her on the bed she always finds her way into my hand and falls asleep there.
Oh gosh, listen to me, I sound like a new parent :/

What weighs 35 tonnes, has four fuzzy ears and is 80 million years old? Two rabbits riding a brontosaurus.

User is Offline jerseygirl
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2/05/2012 2:39 AM
A sad update. Pekoe, the bigger of the 2 infant buns passed away tonight. He'd been quieter today but still drinking really strongly. Earlie has a snuggle bunny toy in with her and fingers crossed she'll keep her strength up.

User is Offline bunnyfriend
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2/05/2012 7:01 AM
Oh no Binky free Pekoe. Is it that the babies are sick or are they just too young?

Totoro, Wilbur, and I are sending lots of vibes for baby Earlie.
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User is Offline BB
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2/05/2012 7:58 AM

I'm sorry to hear of the loss of Pekoe. You have done some much to try and save them, and so I am sure that was very difficult. Binky Free Pekoe. 

JerseyGirl: Thank you for providing the link the to rescue photo album. Great way to share the progress and it was fun to see. So wonderful to hear about the possible two adoptions soon!

 

Posted By jerseygirl on 02/04/2012 08:41 PM


After the visit yesterday I was feeling like things were a bit more in control. There's a lot of buns going to be needing new homes but I feel the cycle has been stopped now, at least in this one back yard.

 

This is really incredible news! YAY! JerseyGirl and Kafrn - I just can't believe it, you pretty much single...er double handedly, stopped this situation from getting further out of control, saved precious little lives and stopped further loss by preventing further litters. I had serious doubts about how this would play out, but you nipped this in the bud. Congratulations as your hard work, persistence and care has really paid off and made a difference. It sounds like this family is open and willing to learn. Hopefully, this was one learning lesson they will never have to relearn --- and maybe then they can prove to be an example and teach others they know how quickly just a few intact rabbits can get out of control. Congratulations on having your efforts pay off.


User is Offline MimzMum
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2/05/2012 12:07 PM
I was thinking of you ladies this morning and wondering how all was progressing. I am so sorry to hear little Pekoe passed. Binky free wee one. Watch over Earlie with your other littermates from the Bridge. (tears welling up)
But how wonderful to hear that the situation may now be under control. I'm sorry for the heartbreak you've suffered in taking this on but, well done both of you! ((((((((((BIG HUGS))))))))

I can't seem to manage the photos. The site itself links up though and it looks like a grand place.
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User is Offline Kafrn
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2/05/2012 3:23 PM
Hi all, thank you for your kind words about Pekoe, it happened very suddenly and unexpectedly last night.
I went to visit the buns at JGs house and we clipped all their nails and checked all the teeth (and triple checked their sexes!!!)
Jersey is so good with them and knows them all by their names now. lol.
I felt bad because 2 of them had found homes and I had to take them home with me to meet their owners, and now there are only 6 there. But they are all healthy and happy. The white one is identical to my old bunny Flopsy. Oh my gosh, she has the same markings etc, its amazing! She is such a pretty bunny! And TROUBLE is so CHEEKY! everyone else sits there nicely munching on the hay, and hes out digging the carpet, and stomping, and breaking through the fence so he can chin everything in the room. LOL

So we buried Pekoe with his siblings in the back yard. Earlie now has a bunny toy to snuggle up to and seems to be ok but now I am checking on her every 5 minutes like a paranoid penguin. Shes drinking a LOT today. And she seems to be staying warm for longer, I wonder if she is getting some control over maintaining her body temperature?

We took an awesome video last night of Earlie, she is getting really mobile. If I upload to youtube, am I allowed to post a link here? So you can see how she has grown?

We cleaned her eyes with a Q-tip yesterday but they are still closed this morning. I am wondering if she was younger than we thought when we got her, or if she is underdeveloped? I have read that if their eyes are still closed on day 13 they can become blind... I believe today is day 13.... Im trying not to worry about it too much...

So Trouble and Chi-Chi came to my place for a sleep over last night and today they are at work with me. Troubles new owner came and met him this morning. She is a vet nurse at the vet around the corner from me. She is AMAZING with trouble. She was telling me the story about how she found a nest of wild baby bunnies on her farm and the mother had been poisoned by the neighbours... the babies were still pink and didnt have any fur...
She bottle fed them for 8 weeks.... 4 of them survived, and one became their house bunny who lived with them for 10 years! This bunny passed away not too long ago, and Trouble is the new bun in their household.
I showed her Earlie, and she said she looks good! She said not to feed any colostrum, and we are doing all the right things... *bites nails*

Also, she has joined our page on facebook so that we will get regular updates on how Trouble is doing!!! (JG, you will have to join FB to see! heh heh)

Another lady is coming to meet Chi-Chi this afternoon. I get so nervous meeting these people. It was ok with Trouble because I knew the lady taking him... But the lady taking Chi-Chi seems very nice, and she didnt mind doing the application etc.

So now JG has 6 bunnies......

And I have Earlie.





What weighs 35 tonnes, has four fuzzy ears and is 80 million years old? Two rabbits riding a brontosaurus.

User is Offline Kafrn
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2/05/2012 5:56 PM
http://adelaiderabbitrescue.weebly....arlie.html

I have written a sort of journal of *Earlies story* if anyone would like to have a look.

There is a video of her down the bottom of the page so you can see how she has developed in the week that we have had her.
What weighs 35 tonnes, has four fuzzy ears and is 80 million years old? Two rabbits riding a brontosaurus.

User is Offline Monkeybun
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2/05/2012 8:02 PM
Awww poor little Pekoe Binky Free little guy!

Earlie is so wiggly! Hope she continues to do well. We'lll cross all out bunny ears for her over here.

User is Offline emkvet
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2/05/2012 9:03 PM
Nearly started crying when I read about Pekoe (MM, my eyes are welled up too); I'm so sorry Kafrn and JG. Binky free, sweet baby.

You guys are doing an amazing job! I can't believe all you have done, and that 2 of the buns already have homes. It's really inspiring to see the work you're doing for these buns.

Sending SO MANY VIBES to little Earlie!

User is Offline FrankieFlash
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2/06/2012 5:11 AM
Vibes for Earlie! Keep strong little one!

User is Offline RabbitPam
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2/07/2012 2:59 AM
I'm so sorry about Pekoe, but you gave him the nurturing he needed in his wee life, and that means a lot. I've been off a couple of days so can't wait to see the links to updates. Sounds like you're both doing a wonderful job!!!
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User is Offline Kafrn
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2/07/2012 7:05 AM

Thank you guess what?? Earlie opened her eyes ! I updated the video page, you can see her growth in video and pics here: www.adelaiderabbitrescue.weebly.com
It's 4:35 am, she's just had a feed and she's looking so big now!

What weighs 35 tonnes, has four fuzzy ears and is 80 million years old? Two rabbits riding a brontosaurus.

User is Offline FrankieFlash
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2/07/2012 7:11 AM
Yay! I'm going to keep sending healing vibes that she grows strong and healthy.
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