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BINKYBUNNY FORUMS > DIET & CARE > I think Comet is really sick :(
Last Post by littlemissflip at 02/02/2012 06:59 PM (84 Replies)
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User is Online Monkeybun
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01/23/2012 09:12 AM
Yay for comet poops!

Which vet did you get him in with?

User is Offline Jenna, Chubs & Comet
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01/23/2012 09:26 AM
The Northwest Exotic Pet Vet place. Your vet had no appointments and said they could do it as emergency but that it'd be more...which I still would have done if the other place couldn't see him but since they could...
*~Jenna (aka bunny mama of Chubs & Comet)~*

User is Offline bunnnnnnie!
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01/23/2012 09:43 AM

I don't have any advice, but sending good thoughts your way.  Sending hungry and pooping bunny vibes!

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User is Online Monkeybun
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01/23/2012 09:50 AM
Makes sense. Just be careful driving. Some roads are still flooded and such.

User is Offline Silly Sungura
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01/23/2012 11:09 AM
I'm just sending some good, (((healing vibes))) to Comet. Good luck.

User is Offline MimzMum
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01/23/2012 12:26 PM
Possibly the white coating is mucous which could indicate some kind of intestinal imflammation. Are you sure that wasn't a cecotrophe he passed? They look like grape clusters of poop and they reek.
Vibes that today they get to the bottom of this. I'd definitely keep the simethicone and critical care on hand, they are lifesavers.
Please watch your labels on the simethicone and get the one for babies which is a liquid. Sweeteners like sorbitol and xylitol are toxic. Maltitol is okay.
Pam's spot on about car rides breaking up gas bubbles. I have a heck of a bumpy road into town that has cured more than one round of tummy trouble in my bunnies. I think Comet's already been given Reglan, right?
Might see about pain relief for him too. Remember that rabbits hide symptoms as a survival mechanism. Xrays wouldn't hurt to take a peek in that tummy.
Good luck at the vets. You're still in our prayers!
Mimzy, Pip & Fiver...yup...my day is all about them. :)
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User is Offline Jenna, Chubs & Comet
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01/23/2012 06:01 PM
Update:

Firstly, I really loved the veterinarian I saw today. She was wonderful and knowledgable and I felt SO much better after seeing her. I'm very glad I took him in. She said that it sounded like he had some gas bubbles and that his gut sounds were soft but still moving, which is good. He had pooped some more on the way there and she said that was a very good sign as well. His temp was still good, although he's lost a couple of ounces in weight, just from Saturday so I need to keep an eye on that. She gave him some Metoclopramide, some Metacam, and some acidophilus to help him with taking the Baytril. She also gave me the Oxbow Critical Care to keep giving him until he's eating really well on his own. She also wants me to be giving him the Simethecon drops. Then she had me pick up some saline spray for his little nose, since it's still stuffy. His lungs and heart sounded good though. Already he seems to be doing much better! He ran straight for the water bowl when we got home which was so so good to see! He has also nibbled a little hay since we have been back and I've seen a few more poops. We aren't out of the woods but we have a whole pharmacy here to get him through it.

She also gave me her home number which I thought was so thoughtful so that I can call her with any questions even after hours. Feeling much better over here and I think my boy is somewhat too! Thanks for all the support and good vibes, keep em coming
*~Jenna (aka bunny mama of Chubs & Comet)~*

User is Online Monkeybun
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01/23/2012 06:43 PM
Awesome!

User is Offline MimzMum
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01/23/2012 07:45 PM
Fantastic news! More recovery vibes for Comet and hope-you-can-get-some-rest vibes for you!
(((((((((((((((Vibes)))))))))))))))))
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User is Offline lashkay
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01/23/2012 10:52 PM
Sending Comet and you good health vibes!

User is Offline jerseygirl
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01/24/2012 03:52 AM

Hooray for Comet and for finding a vet you liked!

I agree with MM that the white stubstance on his poos could well have been mucous. Especially since he was having a gut slow down. Mucous is produce in the gut to protect the gut walls. An inflammatory response. Did it appear like mucous?

After your confident Comet is eating and pooing regularly again, you may have to do some more investigating as to why he stopped eating.

Gut slowdowns can often be the result of something else. ie, Pain from unknown source >> rabbit does not want to eat >> gut slows down because food/fibre not coming into it >> stops pooping >> then further discomfort as result of the slow down. Original pain could be related to gut i.e an ulcer or gas if eaten something that causes gas but also could be from somewhere else entirely. Like an injury, dental pain, bladder pain, spinal.... etc. Or it could be related to something respiratory. A rabbit that can't breath well may not be able to eat easily.

 

ETA: Stress is another trigger for stasis I think.

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User is Offline Jenna, Chubs & Comet
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01/24/2012 11:50 AM
Here is where I am at a bit of a loss. What caused this? The vet did look at his teeth, even the molars and said that they looked really good. She didn't feel anything around his bladder or tummy. She also said that his lungs sounded good and that even though he's sniffly, he seems to be getting good air. We moved to a new place in the last few weeks but they have been flopped out blissfully every night since we got here. It's bigger with carpet so they seem to love it. There's not much furniture in here (my last place was furnished) so there's nothing to get into really. Cords are up. They have a giant tunnel of moving boxes taking over the living room. It's just me and them so I can't think of anything really stressful...my only idea is that his hay consumption might be lower than it should be? The brand we were buying was discontinued and I can tell they are not as fond of this new kind. I think I'm going to order a different kind and see if they eat more of it. (This is not just like this week, a few months but maybe he's just been choosing to eat less?) The vet thinks it could be a veggie he's reacting badly to maybe too. I think I'm going to pull back on those a bit and offer one at a time again like I did when I first got him to make sure they are sitting okay. Any other ideas??

Update: When I came home for lunch today, Comet ran immediately over to his food bowl and begged for pellets! Then he chowed down on the ones I gave him. There was quite a bit of hay gone from earlier too and I've seen lots of regular looking poops! Yay for poops and food!
*~Jenna (aka bunny mama of Chubs & Comet)~*

User is Offline MimzMum
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01/24/2012 05:52 PM
I think you're on the right track. Mine loved a certain hay and when it suddenly ran out and we had to use a different one, bang...no more good hay eating. They used to love romaine lettuce til last year...now it gives them gas. Bunny tummies are very touchy.

But he sounds much better today! I'm so glad to hear it! ((((((((Hugs))))))))
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User is Offline BB
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01/24/2012 07:29 PM

well...whew!! I know trying to figure out the reason can really be a mystery. And sometimes, if everything goes back to normal and another episode doesn't happen, then we are just left scratching our heads. Rabbits!! Not unusual for that to happen. This may have been covered in this thread so sorry if this has already been asked, but do they have a crock or a water bottle? If it's a water bottle, I would just make sure that enough water is able to come out --that it's not stuck or ?? as that can cause digestive issues if a water bottle is clogged or has problems (make sure its clean etc). 


User is Offline Jenna, Chubs & Comet
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01/24/2012 07:48 PM
Thanks for the hugs! I almost started crying today when he was begging for pellets at lunch because I was so happy to see him acting like Comet again! Then after I gave him his medicine tonight, he stomped at me and I was so tickled that he has his rabitude back I felt so helpless and worried this weekend, it's like having a child! Feels awfully good to see him currently all lounged out next to his buddy Chubs and just a few minutes ago, he was munching on hay. Now to maybe solve this mystery...any recommendation on a certain brand of hay? We have the Kaytee Timothy right now because that's all they sell in my area but I'm willing to order some offline or go to a certain store, even in Portland area Monkey?
*~Jenna (aka bunny mama of Chubs & Comet)~*

User is Online Monkeybun
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01/24/2012 09:41 PM
Well, in Portland I would recommend the RA mix we do. It's timothy, orchard, oat, and a rye/fescue mix that the buns adore. it's all fresh local hay. 10lbs for $12. I can hook you up

User is Offline Nova
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01/24/2012 10:39 PM
The white or clearish coating around poops, or just the clear/white or jelly coating at all and no poops....is a build up of bacteria when the food wasn't moving through the gut and just laying in the tummy, building up. When my boon had GI Stasis, he was only passing the jelly mucus, and before that, big sausage..looking...turds...instead of pellets. Very wet looking. Not normal or good for a bun! This is what my rabbit savvy vet told me about the jelly poos. It means something is slowed down or not moving at all. Best to get it moving. Vets usually prescribe a motility agent like Cisapride. Or if bunny passes the stubborn poops and things go back to normal, that's good too. And if there is a bad overgrowth of bacteria, an antibiotic necessary, you will know if he is passing strange stools, ulike the normal pellet poos buns usually have.

Hope he continues to feel better!! Hopefully, he passed the stubborn food and his gut is moving again!

User is Offline Jenna, Chubs & Comet
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01/24/2012 10:43 PM
That sounds great Monkey! Where do I get it? I will either be in Portland again over the next 2 weeks or a friend of mine from there will be coming up here so he could pick it up for me.

I think Comet is continuing to improve. He gave me major attitude tonight after I gave him his meds, and seems to be acting more like his old self He gobbled up the little bit of parsely I allowed him tonight and his little bit of pellets, and was munching hay AND was drinking water! Happy Happy happy bunny mom to see it!
*~Jenna (aka bunny mama of Chubs & Comet)~*

User is Online Monkeybun
Hillsboro, Oregon
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01/25/2012 12:02 AM

www.adoptarabbit.org/BBB/BBBAvailability.html

 

That link shows the places it is sold at. Check and make sure they have any before going to get it.

If they are out, I might be able to get my paws on some for you. Let me know

 

Edit: the next hay packing date is Feb 4th. I can get some put aside for you as well if you like.


User is Offline LittlePuffyTail
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01/25/2012 03:21 AM
Glad to hear Comet is feeling better!

I know how frustrating it is not knowing the cause. I've dealt with many serious GI situations that were just mysteries. They sometimes come out of nowhere and recover just as fast leaving a Bunny Mommy glad but frustrated.
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User is Offline Kokaneeandkahlua
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01/25/2012 07:48 PM
WOW Phew!! That vet you saw sounds fantastic and very knowledgeable and I`m so glad Comet is feeling better *hugs* and ((continued motility vibes))

Nova that is super interesting about the jelly poops-I am so going to remember that!
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User is Offline Jenna, Chubs & Comet
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02/01/2012 10:29 PM
Little bit of an update. Comet continues to do very well. He is off almost all his medicines now and is eating/pooping great. The vet did inform me that his blood work came back and he is positive for E. Cuniculi which makes me really sad She said he is not showing symptoms right now so we wouldn't treat it but I read about it and it's scary! Anyone have info/knowledge about this?
*~Jenna (aka bunny mama of Chubs & Comet)~*

User is Online Monkeybun
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02/01/2012 10:41 PM
Yay for him getting better, but sad face for E. Cuniculi

As far as I know, there is no cure for it, you can pretty much just treat symptoms. So it would make sense to not treat it if he isn't showing any. I could be wrong though.

User is Offline BB
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02/01/2012 11:48 PM

Many rabbits can test positive and live symptom free their whole life. It's estimated that 1 in 4 rabbits will test positive (many of which will never show symptoms - though some can be carriers)    Testing positive means they were exposed, but it may not mean that it is currently infecting and causing havoc. (it can be dormant forever).   It's good that you have the test because then later, IF something happens, symptoms show up, you can compare it with another blood test and compare the titer levels--- and if the numbers have risen, it could help reveal what's really going on and that will help with treatment.

Again, don't let the "positive" test result scare you. Rucy tested positive and never showed any symptoms even when she got older. She passed away from an unrelated issue. Bailey was also positive, but only showed symptoms as she got older.

It's not something to worry too much about -- but just good to know about.


User is Offline littlemissflip
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02/02/2012 06:59 PM
Ditto BB. The EC titers just indicate whether the rabbit has been exposed to EC at some point (and thus have developed antibodies in response)... it doesn't necessarily mean that the EC is causing the current symptoms or is problematic at all. Many rabbits will have a positive EC titer and never be symptomatic, so try not to worry too much about it!

That said, it's worth knowing that he has the positive titer and reading up on the common symptoms so that you can be on the look-out--if he ever DOES develop EC symptoms, you'll be able to detect and treat it more quickly because you're aware. EC commonly infects the eyes, nervous system, or kidneys, so common symptoms include cataract formation or corneal ulcers/inflammation, head tilt, paralysis, seizures, or rapid increase in water consumption.

I'm glad to hear Comet is doing better!
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