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Forum HOUSE RABBIT Q & A Allergic to rabbits and somewhat severely allergic to rabbit “things”?!?!??! HOW CAN I DEAL WITH THIS?

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    • DutchRabbitsFtw
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         so where do i start… first off… i *think* i am allergic to the litter, and the rabbit itself (sort of… i really dont know. but i guess i could say i am VERY MILDLY allergic to rabbit itself) and i am EXTREMELY allergic to timothy hay, blue june grass?? (something like that) meadow grass, oat hay, and basically any other grass/ hay except ryegrass. but i cant find rye grass anywhere so i just got bermuda (coastal) hay which i am allergic but its very MILD. bahia (sp?) hay is the same as bermuda hay when it comes to my allergies but i cant find bahia anywhere so i just got bermuda.

        the hay isnt a problem since i got bermuda and we have bermuda grass in our front yard and whenever my dad mows the lawn i always help him sweep and ive never had an allergic reaction. (of course i buy the bermuda hay at a “local” farm store.) but what IS the problem is the litter. i have heard such great things about wood stove pellets / pine pellets etc. so i decided… what the heck. why not. so i got a 35lb bag for 7$. today i decided to “test” if i was allergic to the wood pellets so i went into the garage and went to the bag but there was already a tiny rip at the top (i should have checked when i got it but i didnt) so i reached in the bag and got one or two pellets and sort of squished them but they wouldnt “disinegrate” or anything since it was so hard. then i put my face above the rip and blew air FROM the bag directly into my face and then i breathed in. i would say i inhaled around… 3-5 times. (i inhaled deeply too) and then i went inside and i got some snacks and while i was eating i sort of felt my throat .. “tingling”? (the same feeling i would get if i ate a nut and i am allergic to nuts) but it was over within 2 mins and it wasnt bad at all. so i didnt know whether it was cause of the pellets or because my throat was acting up? (my throat had been feeling weird all day but it was very mild and wouldnt last for more than 3 mins at a time.) and then i went to my room and my chin sort of itched (i scratch my face everyday so its not like i was expecting anything?) and then it stopped and then i had to go to the bathroom and i went and while i was washing my hands i looked at the mirror and i was TOTALLY SHOCKED!! my chin had some red “dots” around it. i’ve had these before… not good… but there were no bumps just red dots. so i washed my hands extra well cause i did NOT wash my face after handling the pellets. and just left it be.

        i am so worried! what should i do? next time should i get paper based pellets? cause i mean if i get the rabbit then he will be going to the bathroom right? which will mean that his feet will have made contact with the pellets which means that when he runs around then the pine pellet dust / particles will be in the carpet and floating in the air! right?? its not dusty but i will sift through it with a metal mesh net (like for cooking; i’ll just buy a new one and use our old one for the sifting and use the new one for cooking lol) just to be safe. and it doesnt help that the rabbit is going to be IN MY ROOM.  i have no other place for it at the moment… is there anything i can do to stop my allergies to the litter? also i dont think i am allergic to rabbits because i’ve held LOTS of rabbits recently (like in rescues) and ive never itched, got watery eyes, or sneezed or anything. i even put my face in this one rabbits fur and breathed in. no reaction. but the other day i was visiting this rabbit and she was timothy hay (im allergic) and while i was holding her she moved a bit so her nose is right below my chin and then i sort of touched face with my nose and like 40mins i sneezed like 4 times. so i dont really know -.-.. i did go to the allergist and they said i was allergic to rabbits.but they also said i was allergic to guinea pigs and horses. which im pretty sure im not? they also said i was allergic to wheat? WHICH I AM POSITIVE im not. they also said that i wasnt allergic to dogs but i am. but they said it wasnt breed specific so that could play a part of it. anyway, my allergist said i had to take allergy medication for a month anyway, so now would be a good time to start? since i see her in february. would allergy medication help? no air filters, my mom watched this “show” where all these doctors “proved” that filtered things are not clean or anything. (any thing that has a filter, which means… water, ac, air filters. anything) she even went as far as to buy a seperate water thing (where you press the button) so no air filters, plus arent they a tad,… expensive? i have carpet in my room but my parents are in the middle of changing all the carpet to vinyl flooring. they do it every summer so it doesnt effect my school work or anything? 

         

        any advice? sorry THIS IS SO FREAKING LONG. also i cant NOT get the rabbit.. i spent over 150$ on NON REFUNDABLE things. also, just because i have allergies doesnt mean i cant get a dog. i have a border collie and i am allergic to her but i still have her. she is mainly an outdoor dog or stays in a seperate doggy proofed room at nights and when its too hot or cold outside. (better than a kennel) thanks


      • Sam and Lady's Human
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          Honestly, its your physical health. I’d say that’s worth 150 bucks. I wouldn’t get a pet that gave me a rash. The fact is while you’re allergic to your dog, you keep her outside or completely separate to you. Why get a bunny if you’ll have to do the same?

          Are your parents really ok with getting you a pet you’re so drastically allergic to?

           

          ETA- It’s one thing to be allergic to just the hay, there are lots here (myself included) that have hay allergies and we deal, I use gloves and face masks and basically don’t breath while I’m refilling the hay. But you’re also medically allergic (even if you don’t believe it) to rabbits themselves, as well as hay, plus wood, apparently, and who knows what else. I just don’t think its responsible to still get a pet in spite of all this, because you both will suffer for it and thats not what having a pet is about IMO. I’ve also read way too many “I’m allergic so I have to get rid of Fluffy” threads, so take that for what it is too.


        • Sam and Lady's Human
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            Here are 2 articles (of many out there, I’m sure) that might be good to read-
            http://www.rabbit.org/journal/3-12/fosterer-allergies.html
            http://www.rabbit.org/journal/3-12/allergies.html


          • DutchRabbitsFtw
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              i would never give my pet away. and actually i spend time outside with my dog as she likes to run and not be cooped up inside all day. i do spend time with her. just outside… plus she gets way too hyper to be kept inside for too long. and i dont really know if i am allergic to rabbits cause some of the allergy results were wrong… so i cant really say… and also, i am NOT THAT allergic, to the hay itself since i have bermuda but not sure about the pine pellets… i mean its not like i’ll be breathing in the wood stove pellets everytime i open the bag 0__o

              also, i would never give my pet away. if my allergies were so bad that i would have to consider giving away a pet then i wouldnt get one in the first place.
              and it wasnt the animal, more like the pine pellets. which i can replace for something else anytime


            • Stickerbunny
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                Well, paper pellet litter is fine – it’s what I use for my buns. There are a LOT of grass hays you can try and even if allergic to one, you can keep it sort of contained so as long as the allergy is mildish you can handle it – wear gloves/mask when changing hay, etc. But if you’re allergic to the rabbit ITSELF, it’s not very fair to get one. Rabbit fur gets everywhere, a lot worse than dog fur. If you have to keep bun outside and barely pay attention to it due to an allergic reaction, it isn’t fair to it. So spend a LOT of time with rabbits – offer to do grooming at the local rescues etc, to make SURE you aren’t allergic.

                As for your mothers weird idea on filters… well, an air purifier does for sure help, I use one for my house to help filter the fur out of the air (Powders fur gets everywhere, it even clogs my computers fan lol). And cleaning the filter/replacing it keeps it perfectly clean, but since you can’t really get your parents to change their views I am guessing, probably not much help.


              • DutchRabbitsFtw
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                  the rabbit and its “cage” will be in my room. which is totally a bad idea i know /: but there’s no where else to put him for now…

                  if i brushed my rabbit EVERYDAY or every other day or like 3-4 times a week even when not molting will his fur still be everywhere? i doubt i am allergic to the rabbits itself since ive held soo many and i even put my face in this one rabbits coat and breathed in and nothing happened? not even a sneeze… but if the rabbit has come in contact with timothy hay then i do sneeze but nothing too serious.

                  if i keep the rabbit in my room (which it will be) then how can i cope with this? also will it do any good to get dispoable masks when handling hay and brushing the rabbit if they are going to be kept in my room anyway???


                • KytKattin
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                    A dog can be trained, and yours obviously needs to be if she can’t control herself inside. A balanced dog knows when it is time to be hyper/playful and when to relax because you can tell her to do so. Fulfill your dog before you fulfill your want for another pet. Saying she likes to be outside and not cooped up is humanizing her. She probably needs more exercise, especially because she is a working breed meant to actually do something, not sit in a yard. Dogs always want to be with their pack and leaders first and foremost. It is their basic instinct and why separation anxiety is a huge problem for dog owners. She might have found ways to cope, but she is not fulfilled.


                  • Stickerbunny
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                      Yeah it will help to wear the masks and gloves when handling the hay, you can get a hay holder that encloses it for the most part and that will keep the dust down for you. I am not allergic, but even I get a bit itchy from the amount of dust that comes off when you refill a hay holder. Even brushing every day, the hair gets everywhere… Powder can be brushed and 2 seconds later he lies down somewhere and hair is all over wherever he flopped. Stickers (a rex) isn’t quite as bad, so breed does help some, she is a very light shedder but she still gets her fur around the house. If you vacuum every day after play times it will contain the hair somewhat, especially if the vacuum has an air filter (most of them do). You will get some dust from the hay and some hair in the air though, that isn’t really avoidable.

                      And yes allergy meds would probably help – my ex’s mother was allergic to cats (mildly) and the medicine they gave her let her be able to be around the kitties she had no problem, without it she’d sneeze/get stuffy.


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                        Posted By DutchBunniesFtw on 01/06/2012 03:32 PM

                        the rabbit and its “cage” will be in my room. which is totally a bad idea i know /: but there’s no where else to put him for now…

                        if i brushed my rabbit EVERYDAY or every other day or like 3-4 times a week even when not molting will his fur still be everywhere? i doubt i am allergic to the rabbits itself since ive held soo many and i even put my face in this one rabbits coat and breathed in and nothing happened? not even a sneeze… but if the rabbit has come in contact with timothy hay then i do sneeze but nothing too serious.

                        if i keep the rabbit in my room (which it will be) then how can i cope with this? also will it do any good to get dispoable masks when handling hay and brushing the rabbit if they are going to be kept in my room anyway???

                         

                        If you think your allergen tests were wrong, you should get retested. You can be allergic to something and not show many signs until BAM! Too many allergins build up and you have a reaction. An allergy to rabbit+hay+possible litter (and the urine in it) is a lot for your system. Didn’t you mention in another thread you have asthma as well?  Rabbit allergies aren’t always to the fur, they are often to the urine and saliva. Again, if you don’t believe the doctor, ask about how often they have false positives on their tests, and if you can get retested.

                        I don’t see how you can keep it in your room. Like I said, I have a mild reaction to the hay, but I can’t keep it in my room, the buns are kept in the dining area across the house. I tried to put a small box of hay for one bun who hangs out in my room all day, and the next morning I had no voice I was so congested. 

                        Brushing wont help, ask Ky


                      • DutchRabbitsFtw
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                          thanks for the input but im pretty sure i know what im doing with my dog, i dont explain things thoroughly with my dogs because 1) this is a rabbit forum. 2) im not really talking about my dog? and 3) i am pretty sure i know how to take care of my own dog. obviously. but thanks anyway. also, i am actually considering getting an air filter and keeping the rabbit’s cage in the dining room / aka my parents “buisiness room” but its not an actual ROOM. just like a living room.. except its a dining room..

                          and no i do not have asthma, i did however get a bad reaction to timothy hay before and they doctor thought i had asthma due to how i reacted. but she made me take an allergy test and everything was normal.


                        • bunnnnnnie!
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                            1. You stuck your face in a cloud of pine pellet dust and inhaled deeply.  Of course your throat would feel weird/hurt, so would anyone’s.  I’m not surprised it irritated your skin, either.

                            2. Sneezing a few times after holding a bunny one time does not an allergy make.

                            3. If an allergist told you that you were allergic to bunnies, and you have some suspicions the allergist was right, then why would you be getting a rabbit?  I would most certainly get a definitive diagnoses on the rabbit dander allergy before going any further getting a rabbit.  It’s not going to be fair to the rabbit if you get one, end up allergic to it, and either have to rehome it or make someone else in your family care for it. 


                          • Sarita
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                              DIdn’t we have a discussion on your allergies before?

                              https://www.binkybunny.com/FORUM/tabid/54/a…fault.aspx

                              My quesitons is how will you possibly care for your rabbit when you cannot be well around it?

                              I know you want a rabbit very badly, but perhaps this is not the best pet for you at this time due to your severe allergies. 

                               


                            • FrankieFlash
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                                I think I would suggest thinking and talking to your parents more about this before adopting a rabbit. I have allergies to well everything and it’s all about making adjustments so I can live a happy life. I too had to test myself on seeing if I was allergic and I was fine with holding the bunny. When we got him home- that’s when I found out I’m allergic to Timothy Hay. So after research I got orchard hay because it was said to have less of the dust and stuff that causes allergies. I love my air filters. My mom waits for them to go on sale at walmart or kmart and gets them when we need them. We have them all over our house and when we clean the filter it becomes clear that they are efficient. I live a happy life with my Bun although I’m most likely mildly allergic to him. I use pelleted newspaper pellets for bedding (with a little carefresh on top so it’s softer on his paws). I wash my hands after long petting sessions. If I hold him and there’s hair on my shirt I change it or now I can just lint roll it. AND he does live in my bedroom. Mind you, it’s bigger bedroom than most but I do okay with his hay and fur. I used to use gloves for the hay and when I changed liter box or cage but now I don’t ever really touch his box on the “potty” side. Oh and I wash my hands religiously. I just want to throw a positive note out there that you can live happily with a pet you are slightly allergic too.

                                My last thought about this allergy thing is that I’m severely allergic to cats and I cannot stay in a house with them for more than a couple hours (with medicine on board and everything). But I also tested positive to dogs, guinea pigs, and most other animals and I’ve lived with them fine. I’ve also been on a regular allergy medicine (Allegra-D) for years and love it. I would have to take it animals or not and it is my savior. My point to this is I find the more I’m with an animal, the less severe my reaction to them becomes. I moved out of my parents house this year leaving behind my dog and now when I visit she usually makes me sneeze and break out in hives. But there was rare when I lived with her. I hope this helps and I didn’t get too off topic.

                                oh and I remembered one more thing. If you can’t get the rabbit as sad as that would be you could still do good with all of the stuff you bought and donate it to the rescue. Your parents could probably write it off as a charitable donation for tax purposes so it would do 2 goods.


                              • DutchRabbitsFtw
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                                  no back then i didnt know i was severely allergic to timothy hay…

                                  thanks frankie flash, thats great! i am not really allergic to the rabbit its self. but on monday night i will be meeting 2 rabbits from the resuce that will be getting neutered the next day (tuesday) so she has to get them and said that it would be fine if i met the rabbits. what should i do to test if im allergic to one or not? stick my face in its fur and breathe in? (ps i have done that before and NO reaction whatsoever) but should i do it again? i’m pretty sure my mom has a somewhat mild allergy to rabbits (to EVERY THING actually, but you know… rabbits too.. i think )

                                  but what should i do to “test” my allergies? i am pretty sure MY allergies are extremely mild. the only thing worrying me is the hair and pine pellets that i will change to recycled paper pellets. i was thinking of purchasing a small vaccuum for my room. and maybe an air filter. my room is small though. a bed a desk and the cage make up 3/4 of the room. the only room i have left is the little “aisle” from the door to my bed. (okay not super tiny but small)

                                  and also, the allergist has gotten a couple of things wrong on the allergy testing so i wouldnt be surprised if i wasnt allergic to rabbits, but anyway… what should i do on monday night? just hold them and pet them and see if anything happens? (also, i have visited and held lots of rabbits. no reaction.) and is it possible for me to sneeze if the rabbit has been around timothy hay? cause a few rabbits were eating timothy hay / on timothy hay before i held them and i sneezed a couple of times once in the car/ at home. but not in the store while holding the rabbit? so i dont really know


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                                    Not to be redundant, but again, you should call and talk to your allergist about possibly being wrong or false positives. If not, you need to assume that the allergy tests are correct even though you may not feel a dramatic reaction to certain things. ETA- Its not like a test you can can cheat, it measures your own bodys reaction to different things. Allergies also build on one another until you reach your limit.


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                                      oh dont worry i will. i’ll get my dad to call and ask if it could have been possible that my results were wrong / mistaken. and i thought that the more you got used to being around the allergen then your body slowly becomes immune to it? thats what i’ve thought most of my life.


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                                        well I sneezed after holding them if I got pine bedding transfered from them to me b/c I’m allergic to that too. I thinking holding them is a good idea. I think it might be upsetting to them if you stick them in your face but spend some time with them. Do you know your sensitive spots? Mine are my neck and forearms (on the bottom) and if I’m allergic to anything, touching those two places it will become very obvious.

                                        Vacuuming often and air filters are good ideas too. But if you have reactions when you meet the rabbits make sure you can take a step back and be realistic that it’s probably not in the best interest of the rabbit or you. I know it’s hard to do. Good luck!


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                                          oh dont worry i will. i’ll get my dad to call and ask if it could have been possible that my results were wrong / mistaken. and i thought that the more you got used to being around the allergen then your body slowly becomes immune to it? thats what i’ve thought most of my life.

                                          With a mild allergy, prolonged exposure can actually make your allergies much worse.


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                                            I think you should take a step back and think things through before you get a bunny. You’re allergic. Your mom is allergic. The bunny would have to be in your room. All the time. Where you sleep.

                                            You are not going to be a happy bunny owner after only one night. i think you owe it to yourself, your mom, and the bunny, to not adopt one right now. Especially due to you being a minor, and when you go off to college, your mom will likely have to take care of the bun. Most dorms do not allow pets, ad many apartment buildings don’t either. Would it be fair to her to have to deal with allergies to care for your pet?


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                                              thanks frankie! i have put my face (most sensitive part) into rabbit fur and breathed in and NO reaction whatsoever. but i will try that again soon! tomorrow my mom is going to this place and there is a petco (that fosters rabbits from my rescue, ive actually visited those specific rabbits before) like 5 mins away and she said we could stop by so i can meet the bunny. i am actually still interested in him ha.

                                              would you recommend recycled newspaper pellets as litter instead of wood stove pellets? its not that im ALLERGIC to it. it just makes the air thick and hard to breathe and i sneeze and become very… “stuffy”… oh wait thats probably allergies… i would like something that is very odor absorbant and stuff.

                                              and really @ malp? i had no idea…


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                                                If your mom is allergic, you need to take HER with you to meet the bunnies too and discuss with her if she is willing to have her allergies sparked up by your pet. Hay, fur, etc she will be exposed to. If you get sick will your parents take care of the bun, if you have to go away for a while, etc? My boyfriend is slightly allergic, he has been congested since we got the buns, but he is OK with it cause he adores them. Not everyone is willing to do that though.

                                                As for the litter, yes recycled newspaper is fine – it’s called yesterdays news and it is what I use. It doesn’t hide scent as well as the pine pellets, but it’s absorbent/easy to scoop.


                                              • DutchRabbitsFtw
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                                                  my mom has told me that she would be okay with it. i’ve actually changed my mind and decided to keep the rabbit in my room. i will get a hepa air fliter (a cheap small one from walmart. no need to get something too expensive as my room is small) uhm a stick vac or something with a hepa filter in it.. and i wont use the pine pellets since i am allergic… which figures since i am allergic to most nuts.

                                                  my mom takes allergy medication almost every day for her other allergies. and plus my mom has held the rabbits too and she gets sort of itchy everywhere? i keep on telling her to NOT ITCH without washing your hands atleast but she still does it. i guess i cant blame her but yeah. thats why i decided to keep it in my room. the only thing i am worried about is the fur, and the litter. but since the bag of pine pellet litter was only 7$ i could use it for something else later on.

                                                  as for the fur, i wouldnt mind doing a quick clean before going to bed and what not (i will also brush it often). i will also have a hepa air filter going on. anyway, tomorrow i’ll be visiting another rabbit (my mom is going to this place and there is a petco like 5 mins away from there and have foster rabbits from the same rescue i plan to adopt. so why not visit him and i’ll smell his fur or whatever to see if i get an allergic reaction or not


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                                                    It sounds like you’ve made up your mind, but I’m afraid I have to agree with many of the others. Allergies do get worse with build up over time, not better. The build up you’re talking about is a very professional procedure that works with the immune system carefully and is done right by an allergist, but not generally by exposure at home, so you risk going over your threshold and getting worse. So does your mother. This is a ten year investment you’re talking about, so you need to think about what it will do to your bunny if you both can’t live with it and need to rehome it. It’s hard on you, it’s hard on your bunny. I guess I wish you would rethink your decision one more time.

                                                    You have a lifetime to get a pet you can support and care for. Not getting one now while you live with someone who is allergic along with your allergies doesn’t mean you can’t decide to get a rabbit in as few as 5 years from now. But in 5 years the cost to you, your mom and the bunny may be very high in emotional challenges and medical bills. Just take another moment to think about it.


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                                                      I’ve lived with allergies my whole life (been on shots for over 10 years) so I have some experience here. It is possible to get a positive on the test and have no real symptoms – I’m positive for just about every plant and animal, but many of those I don’t have issues with (I’ve always been fine with dogs, for example, though I’m technically allergic). You have to be careful though because with exposure, something that was mild can become severe.

                                                      It sounds like you’re absolutely set on getting a rabbit, so I would just say to absolutely keep it out of your room. I can’t emphasize enough how important this is! I live with rabbits and the hay without issue, but I will never ever keep them in my room – this is just asking for disaster. They think they live in a barn and leave hair and hay everywhere – if that was in my bedroom I have no doubt that my allergies would be worse.

                                                      It’s definitely possible to live with animals and work around allergies, so I’m not going to tell you that you can’t do that, but I just hope you’ll rethink having him in your bedroom. Being around an animal for a few hours a day is so different than sleeping with those allergens 8+ hours a night in a confined space.


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                                                        I’m on the same page as Elrohwen. Tait lives in my room and I have no real allergies. But when it’s shedding time, which seems to be every second month right now, my body can tell. My eyes get red and itchy, my nose runs, and I’m constantly sneezing because rabbit fur is so thin it gets up my nose. I have a friend with mild allergies and she can’t even be in my room for 5 minutes without getting red and itchy. She is fine when rabbits out of their habitat though. And I think anyone here can tell you it’s impossible to completely remove animal from your house, through vaccuming and lint rolling.

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