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| 01/05/2012 01:28 AM |
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Hi everyone! I decided to get my 5 month old mini lop spayed, and surprise surprise... she is actually a he!! It wouldn't have been a problem except I was adopting a new boy on the same day (a 10 month old dwarf/holland lop). I didn't want to back out of the adoption because he needed a home and I felt really sorry for him.
I put them in seperate cages at first and they were sniffing each other. As they weren't biting I decided to let them out for a few minutes. IMMEDIATELY it was a race to see who could hump the other first! They just constantly do this, depite one of them being neutered. Suddenly there were signs of fighting so I immediately seperated them.
It is always Luna (5 month old neutered mini lop) who manages to gain the dominant position, but Smog (10 month old un-neutered dwarf lop) just won't give up!
Does anyone have any tips on bonding a neautered male with an intact one? I'm very inexperienced with rabbits and I don't want them to get hurt. I'm going crazy here - I hate keeping my Luna in a cage!  |
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 MonkeybunHillsboro, Oregon
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| 01/05/2012 02:28 AM |
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Don't try to bond them until both are neutered and a month after. Hormones can cause alot of aggression and they can be very territorial. Mounting isn't always about making babies, it's a dominance thing too. It's how they sort out who the Top Bunny is. Get Smog neutered and try again  Same sex bonds can turn out just as well as opposite gender ones  |
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| 01/05/2012 03:07 AM |
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I've heard a lot of bad things about male rabbits being very hard to bond, even when fixed. Is this true? I'm a student and will have to save up to get Smog neutered, which will be a waste of money if I have to give him away if they don't get along :/ |
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 bunnnnnnie!Illinois
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| 01/05/2012 03:23 AM |
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I really have zero experience with bonding, but I will say I just adopted a neutered rabbit, to join my home with my intact male rabbit. The intact boy, Zeus, is getting fixed before we start the bonding. For now they can visit through the cage bars, and there's been no fighting. They're very curious of one another. So I would say bonding two males is most definitely possible, it just depends on personalities. Zeus is a very laid back, doesn't care about anything bun. West is a more timid bun, so Zeus's laidback nature should work really well with West. |
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 MonkeybunHillsboro, Oregon
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| 01/05/2012 03:27 AM |
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my 2 girls are bonded. I am in the process of bonding my boys. It can definitely be done  |
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 Sarita(Dallas)
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| 01/05/2012 03:32 AM |
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It shouldn't be doable as long as both are neutered. You will need to realize that it may not be easy, but some bondings aren't. That doesn't mean yours won't but you are going to have to know that with any bonding, it takes time, commitment and perseverance. Bonding is stressful for rabbits and for owners but as long as you are committed you can do it. |
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 Sarita(Dallas)
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| 01/05/2012 03:34 AM |
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Also you mention that you may have to give Smog away if it doesn't work out - when you adopt a rabbit, you want to make a commitment as well to keep both rabbits even if the bonding doesn't work out. I hope that you will do that. |
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| 01/05/2012 04:36 AM |
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thanks for the replies everyone! I've made an appointment for Smog to get neutered in 4 days time Sarita - If the bonding really doesn't work out I may have to give him away (not to just anybody though - I would ask them about their home, accomodation, other pets, experience with rabbits etc) because I am a full-time student. I wanted a companion for Luna so she (I've decided to keep calling her she haha) doesn't get lonely when I am at lectures. I would feel so guilty if I had two lonely rabbits all locked up in cages all day! I couldn't do that to any living creature. |
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 bunnnnnnie!Illinois
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| 01/05/2012 06:35 AM |
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Posted By lunalove on 01/05/2012 07:36 AM
thanks for the replies everyone!
I've made an appointment for Smog to get neutered in 4 days time
Sarita - If the bonding really doesn't work out I may have to give him away (not to just anybody though - I would ask them about their home, accomodation, other pets, experience with rabbits etc) because I am a full-time student. I wanted a companion for Luna so she (I've decided to keep calling her she haha) doesn't get lonely when I am at lectures. I would feel so guilty if I had two lonely rabbits all locked up in cages all day! I couldn't do that to any living creature.
But even if you screen a potential adopter very well, it still ultimately comes down to once that bun is out of your hands, you have no idea what kind of care they will receive, and if you realize they ARE receiving poor care, there will be nothing you can do about it. Are you comfortable with knowing that?
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 Sam and Lady's Human
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| 01/05/2012 07:36 AM |
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I'm also in the boat you shouldn't adopt unless you know you can give a forever home, its just not fair to the poor bun. I'm actually really surprised they didn't neuter him before they adopted him out! However, I'm just going to cross my fingers and hope for a good bond  You'll have to have patience, it can take a few days to a few months for a pair of any gender mix to bond. I think you have a lot going for you in that both boys are young, they aren't quite "set in their ways" hah. You can start by having their pens near each other, and about a week or 2 after Smogs neuter you can try to start to switch pens to help mix the scents. They both might lose litter habits until they are bonded, in marking wars. That's always fun to clean up. I noticed that if I put some of Samsons poops in Ladys litter box and visa versa, they started marking their own boxes more, conveniently  |
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| 01/05/2012 07:38 AM |
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not really I seriously messed this up, all I wanted was a friend for Luna It would have gone so well if she hadn't turned out to be a boy! I just hate having the bunnies in cages, it makes me really upset and I couldn't bear it if they had to spend their whole lives practically living in a little bunny jail. Urgh, I messed up so bad!! |
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 Sam and Lady's Human
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| 01/05/2012 07:42 AM |
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Noo Luna don't feel bad, you can do this! You're putting the cart before the horse (or whatever that saying is!). Wait until Smog is neutered, then work on bonding the right way, neutral spaces and all that. What are they living in now? Is Luna a room bunny? You're right that cages are too small for rabbits, but there are other options, I'm sure we can help you figure out something that works  |
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 Sarita(Dallas)
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| 01/05/2012 07:42 AM |
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Luna you didn't mess up. This is the way I look at it...you know that even if they have to spend the majority of their lives in a cage, they are safe and well cared for. In all honesty, most rabbits like their cage, they feel safe and secure there...it's not all bad. You just have to make sure that you have a nice set up perhaps a nice x-pen for each rabbit if you can manage that or if you need something more vertical, you can build a nice cage out of cubes. Don't feel hopeless or bad, you need to try the bonding and feel free once you are ready to post for suggestions and ideas when you get stuck or frustrated with the bonding. |
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| 01/05/2012 07:53 AM |
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Ok, I'll try to stop freaking out haha. I just hopehopehope they can bond, because I care about them both so much, they're like my babies lol! I just want them both to have good lives you know? And Luna hasn't been in her cage in weeks... so when I put her (him lol) in today she stared at me and got onto her hind legs, begging me to let her out I recently got a two story cage so there's more room, and if the bunnies bond they would only be in their cage for 8 hours a day, max. I've been googling like crazy and it's upsetting stuff - so many people are adamant that two males can never bond/it's very unlikely! Doesn't make me feel very confident :/ But again thanks for the replies, as I said I'm new at all of this stuff and I just want them both to be happy x |
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 bunnnnnnie!Illinois
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| 01/05/2012 08:03 AM |
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Posted By lunalove on 01/05/2012 10:53 AM
Ok, I'll try to stop freaking out haha. I just hopehopehope they can bond, because I care about them both so much, they're like my babies lol! I just want them both to have good lives you know? And Luna hasn't been in her cage in weeks... so when I put her (him lol) in today she stared at me and got onto her hind legs, begging me to let her out
I recently got a two story cage so there's more room, and if the bunnies bond they would only be in their cage for 8 hours a day, max.
I've been googling like crazy and it's upsetting stuff - so many people are adamant that two males can never bond/it's very unlikely! Doesn't make me feel very confident :/
But again thanks for the replies, as I said I'm new at all of this stuff and I just want them both to be happy x
I really think you have a very good chance of bonding them. Like I said, I have two boys in my house, and they enjoy visiting through the bars already, and it's only been a few days, and one of them hasn't even been neutered yet.
Browse through the bonding section, and read some stories on some male-male bonds. It'll make you feel better to know other peoples' experiences.  |
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| 01/05/2012 08:13 AM |
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Here's my personal opinion on the genders, I would bet that the reason there are mostly boy-girl bonds is simply because most people want 1 boy and 1 girl and then they bond them. It seems far less common for someone to actually pick 2 of the same gender (unless they are sibilings, maybe?) than to pick what they think is different genders and find out later that they had the gender wrong  Now obviously it happens, but I think for the most part, thats how it goes down. I honestly think that rabbits don't care. And I've read of many girl/girl and boy/boy bonds that are great  I also think that a lot of the "it has to be girl/boy" people that you read on other sites are basically clueless, and will try to bond a set without altering them and doing it the right way, neutral spaces, positive reinforcement etc. I was a bit panicked when I came home with Lady because now I have 2 girls, but I noticed a lot of the nay-sayers also didn't even really try to bond them, they just put them in one space or another and were surprised when they fought. Anyway, it's just my opinion on the whole thing, theres nothing scientific to back it up or anything. Just makes sense to me  |
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| 01/05/2012 08:16 AM |
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My boys love each other. No problems after Leopold got all the humping out of his system. |
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 Sarita(Dallas)
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| 01/05/2012 08:18 AM |
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I agree, there is nothing scientific. Bonding takes alot of commitment and time. You don't need to give up, you haven't even tried yet :~) |
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| 01/05/2012 08:38 AM |
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thanks everyone! i feel a lot more positive about it now  |
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 kralspaceWest, Texas
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| 01/05/2012 08:56 AM |
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My trio has 2 boys and they get along just great. They were each pair bonded at one time or the other with Pringles so you would think they would be very jealous of each other but they snuggle and groom each other as much as they do Pringles.
I have my single charlie in the connecting condo and he does very well by himself. He can lay next to the grids in touch with the others (except Daisy) if they want or just hang out looking at each other.
If you haven't visited the website about how bunnies talk to each other, please do. It will make you feel a lot better because bunnies do spend a lot of time just laying around looking at each other as much as actively touching or grooming. And sleeping most of the day. We may think it's lonely, but it's just bunnies being bunnies. If the 2 of them get along well but in separate condos, that wouldn't be bad at all and they might eventually get so used to each other that more interaction would be possible.
I like the page on "Gazing"...lol Good luck
http://language.rabbitspeak.com/
PS, don't feel bad. Pringles went from girl to boy to girl
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| 01/05/2012 09:23 AM |
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my boys are inseparable - that had to be separated until about 3 weeks after their neuters - but during that time I had their cages near each other where they could see one another - and I switched them into each others cage every couple of days. They LOVE each other. They cuddle and groom one another constantly - and I had people who i have known for years from rabbit rescue tell me that eventuially they would have to be separated. Nope, they adore each other |
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 LintiniBay Area, California
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| 01/05/2012 09:49 PM |
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My boys were easy to bond, they had a scuffle before and worked it out. You shouldn't have too hard of a time once they are both neutered. You should never try to bond unaltered rabbits. Just don't give up and I'm sure you will have a great pair! |
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| 01/06/2012 02:32 AM |
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Update! When I was doing a switchover, Luna ran off to find Smog. I was about to seperate them completely when I realised that they weren't fighting! Luna will go over to Smog for a sniff (no more violent face humping like last time!!) and Smog will just run away a little. Smog was even brave enough to give Luna a little sniff. Is this good news or am I just getting pre-maturely excited? They are still out of their cages and together in the living room since they are both behaving very well. Oooh, and right this second, Luna had several chances to mount Smog and she (he) didn't!! Very proud. |
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 Sarita(Dallas)
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| 01/06/2012 02:41 AM |
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That's good! Is Luna neutered yet? It's best not to try bonding until he is neutered. |
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| 01/06/2012 02:43 AM |
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Yes, Luna has been neutered but Smog has not. I AM SO HAPPY RIGHT NOW. They are in the hallway, and were stood side by side (each others nose sniffing the other's butt) and neither tried to mount!! they just had a good smell of each other. Thank you so much everyone, I'm a very pessimistic person and was really worried about all of this! You're all so nice :3 |
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 kralspaceWest, Texas
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| 01/06/2012 03:34 AM |
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Yea!!!!!! not fighting is always good news! |
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My Bunny Burrow is full! Pringles & Toby, Daisy & Lola, and my senior citizens Hershey & Simba. The piggies are back, add Brownie and Sweetpea to the mix. |
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 Sarita(Dallas)
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| 01/06/2012 03:48 AM |
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You really should wait until Smog is neutered before you try bonding. |
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 Sam and Lady's Human
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| 01/06/2012 09:23 AM |
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Yup I agree with Sarita. Its hard to be patient, but its for the best of the bunnies, as they can really damage each other if they feel the urge, and since one is still hormonal, that can come out of nowhere  |
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| 01/06/2012 09:31 AM |
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Oh yeah definitely, they were only out together for about 5 minutes  Can't wait for the neutering and for their hormones to settle down! I think they'll be very happy together  |
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| 01/06/2012 09:42 AM |
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Good to hear they don't come out swinging at each other! I had two girls that could never be bonded, but that was because the one girl wanted to be an only bunny (which she will be in about 2 weeks! lol). Def wait until after the neuter, especially because often times vet visits (that require surgery) can break bonds. Once you do start to bond them, I recommend putting them through a traumatic experience together, like running a vacuum cleaner near them.  |
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