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BINKYBUNNY FORUMS > BONDING > Samson and Lady's Excellent Bonding Adventure-Bonded!!
Last Post by Sam and Lady's Human at 5/19/2012 6:56 AM (62 Replies)
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User is Offline Sarita
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1/15/2012 4:55 AM
I would not put a cardboard box in there at all...I had a situation where a pair I had bonded had all the sudden starting fighting. The adopter brought them to me to help rebond or see what the problem was. It was the boxes in the pair's area. Apparently big girl Boo would get frustrated because she couldn't get in the box, but Coco could. It caused territorial problems. Once the hidey holes and boxes were gone, they were fine. So give it a try without any cardboard houses or boxes and see if that helps.

User is Offline Sam and Lady's Human
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1/15/2012 5:48 AM
Ugh I really hope it was the box. Silly me didn't even think of there being a territorial issue >.<

User is Offline Elrohwen
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1/15/2012 6:06 AM
Yeah, I would say it's probably the box. The only accessories I used during bonding were litter boxes and a pile of hay. When they moved in together and were cementing for a couple weeks they lived in just a pen with the necessities - no hiding places. Once they're fully bonded then you can start introducing things they may be territorial of.
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User is Offline mocha200
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1/15/2012 5:53 PM
I had the same problem with my buns. I couldn't use a hidey house or things would just get out of hand. Bunnies can be so touchy sometimes, but, I still love them. Keep up the good work and don't give up!
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User is Offline Sam and Lady's Human
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1/17/2012 2:37 PM
No video today, but it was better, no grooming and a couple nips from Samson, but mostly ignoring. Samson seemed SUPER stressed

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1/17/2012 5:32 PM
So its been a quiet evening, and I decided to work on another bonding session. About 20 minutes long, I stuck the bunnies beds in the washer and though, hey this might be a good way to mix it up. SO I put them both in a litterbox with some oat hay, and ran the washer. Only one small nip from Samson (at which point I took her out and took advantage of the situation and trimmed her nails ) and then set her on the dryer next to the litter box, and she jumped back in the litter box and they sat together for a few more minutes. Now my hands were petting and grooming most of this time, I'd stop for maybe a minute at most but I'm a little gun shy about them fighting again so I might be hovering a bit. We ended on a good note, and I put both buns back home

User is Offline Elrohwen
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1/18/2012 3:47 AM
Sounds like a good positive session!

I was definitely a hover-er. I probably interrupted them too often, but it all worked out in the end. It might be faster to bond them if you let them work some things out, but as an inexperienced bonder I didn't trust that they wouldn't hurt each other. I figure the hovering just makes it take a little longer, but if it makes you feel better, then do it! It definitely made me feel better to interrupt chasing and humping behavior.
- Elrohwen

User is Offline Sam and Lady's Human
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1/21/2012 6:13 PM
I'm slacking on the videos! My battery was dead from a shoot earlier.

So last night I had another session, 30 minutes. They were kinda aggressive, but it seemed more from not knowing what to expect from the other, like if Lady turned too fast Samson would nip at her and run off. Finally I squished them together and groomed them with a damp papertowel, side by side foreevverr, for like 20 mintues stopping every so often to let the move a little and see if they would groom. Finally Lady groomed Samson (Yes!) but then a couple minutes later Lady moved too fast and Samson nipped her and pulled fur so I squished them together and groomed them a couple more minutes, ended on a good-ish note and put them both to bed. *sigh*

User is Offline Sam and Lady's Human
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1/23/2012 5:32 AM
2 more uninspiring bonding sessions, last night and this morning I put both buns in the kitchen and gave them their salads. I'm a little torn on it, on one hand Samson seems MUCH less stressed to have more room to escape if necessary, and therefore she's much more relaxed around Lady, she sneaks up and sniffs her every so often or will walk around her and even touch noses real quick, but spends most of her time about 6 feet away eating a romaine leaf she snatched and bounced off with. Lady doesn't care either way, which is a problem with having food there :/ My husband noted she's like Spike on The Land Before Time, she just sits and eats and pretty much zones out haha. If I take the food away she pursues Samson, not to nip or anything I don't *think*, more to ask for groomies but that stresses Samson out and Samson usually checks her (nips the top of her nose?) and then they scramble to split.

So I think I'm gonna have them eat their salads (or most, since Samsons more of a grazer and takes all night to eat hers) together in the morning and evening to get Samson more accustomed to being near Lady?

I think I forgot to say this in the last one, but the time before that I bonded in the laundry room on top of the washer, then I clipped Samsons nails and squished them together some more. I think this was too much for Sam, she was completely pissed at me the next couple of days, to the point where she'd growl at me if I even walked by. Hence the reason I'm now trying the hopefully less stressful intros.

User is Offline Sarita
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1/23/2012 5:35 AM
Uninspiring is good. Sounds like she's just sizing Lady up for now. I wouldn't be worried about the fact that there is no grooming.

I had a bonded pair that I don't ever think groomed - they were definitely snuggly and laid next to each other, but no grooming.

User is Offline Sam and Lady's Human
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1/28/2012 7:21 PM
Leaps and bounds today!!
Samson was grooming Lady through the bars, so immediately after she ran into the kitchen and I baby gated it off, then went in with Lady. Samson ran up to Lady,(at which point I nearly freaked out) and then started giving her groomies and eye kisses!!! <3 As soon as she was done she ran off, and Lady started to follow her and I let her, they did this nose to nose thing and then kinda split off (no nipping though, which is good!) but it makes Samson nervous when Lady runs toward her (no wonder at 9lbs!) so I split them up immediately and then had some 1 on 1 bonding with me and them and some treats I'm just so proud of them1

User is Offline Monkeybun
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1/28/2012 8:19 PM
With me it worked better for bonding by having the smaller area as it makes them interact instead of pretending they are in their own little "other bunny free" world. So you may want to try smaller areas at some point too after they get more used to being around each other.

User is Offline Sam and Lady's Human
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2/05/2012 6:53 PM
Had a painful hour session today hah. Went fairly well for the girls, a lot of grooming from Samson, a couple small grooms from Lady, a couple confused circles where they each tried to be the lowest and burrow under each others bums (all the while I'm freaking out haha). They're getting there, I think. No mean biting, just a couple times where they surprised each other. I let them move about a bit more, but they stayed nose to nose most of the time. The whole time I'm practically biting my nails, its a bit nerve wracking for them to be so close! Gonna try to continue with the hour sessions.

User is Offline Sam and Lady's Human
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2/19/2012 7:10 PM
Well, we're on hold for a while I think. We had to do some sneaky cage moving because our washing machine broke and we didn't know if the landlord was gonna stop by. (we're not allowed cats or dogs, but the lease don't mention bunnies...)
Anyway, I ended up scrubbing and cleaning all day, and then having Lady loose in the house and Samson kept to our bedroom (where she stays most of the time anyway). We ended up leaving Lady loose in the living room all night, and Samson in the bedroom. When I got up, I expected a poop disaster like always, since Lady hasn't been litter box trained since I got her, and every single poop and pee was in the box. Apparently even spayed, not having Samson around means 100% litter habits. Same with Samson. Ugh. So we kept it like this for like a week, then tried to put them both back next to each other, and POOP and pee disaster. It was awful. So then we wanted to be able to put Lady in for the night since we made Samson a pen setup in our room for the night, and as soon as she was in her pen she pooped everywhere, I think because it was normally Sams corner. So now shes back to Living room and Sam gets bedroom +hall, pen at night.

Officially, bonding is on hold. They groom through the bars daily for a minute, kinda just to check in and then go back to their areas. We're moving in about 4 months, so I'm hoping the long drive down will stress them a little bit, and then the new house will be easier to bond them in.

I'm bummed for their sake, but they aren't like, fighting really, just jumpy around each other, so if all they need is time then I can do that

User is Offline Hazel
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2/21/2012 5:19 AM
I'm sorry you had to put everything on hold, but it's great that they haven't been fighting! And I agree, the new house should help with the bonding. Are you gonna take new bonding videos in the future? Please??
"You ain't buna fide!"

User is Offline Sam and Lady's Human
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2/21/2012 8:18 AM
Lol yes I will! I've been slacking, my camera battery seems like its always dead lately.

User is Offline Hazel
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2/21/2012 12:05 PM

I hear ya... My camera battery dies all the time, in fact I'm charging it right now lol. I'm trying to convince Hubby that, since we are getting a new bunny, we definately need a new/better camera

"You ain't buna fide!"

User is Offline Sam and Lady's Human
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3/02/2012 3:35 PM
Well, I followed the bunnies cues and did a lot of bonding today. I found both girls grooming through the pen, so I poured some pellets in the kitchen and they both went in there. We've had 3 hour long sessions of grooming, eating, cleaning themselves, a couple very minor checks, and finally in third session got some good flops from Samson. Lady doesn't groom her really, I don't know whats that about, but leaps and bounds today

User is Offline SirThumpsey
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3/02/2012 4:45 PM
Yay! I am so excited for you! I'm glad to hear it is going well!

User is Offline Sam and Lady's Human
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3/04/2012 11:25 AM
So I think today is the day! Lady hasn't groomed Sam much, but lots of grooming by Sam, flops from both as well as one flop together, no nipping/checking at all, and we're going on about 4 hours straight of them being in the kitchen together supervised (and tg I have the laptop to keep me entertained!).
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