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| 12/21/2011 10:20 PM |
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I have a male outdoor rabbit. A male and my back yard have wild mice will my rabbit be safe??
will the wild mice bite my rabbit? |
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 Sam and Lady's Human
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| 12/21/2011 10:32 PM |
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Welcome to BB! Here's a good thread regarding outdoor rabbits- https://binkybunny.com/FORUM/tabid/54/aft/108126/Default.aspx I personally don't have experience with mice and rabbits together. |
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| 12/24/2011 06:41 AM |
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Well,I would say that it is not a safe place if their is mice there they carry lots of infections and if it gets close to the rabbit it might harm it. |
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 LoveChaChaRabbit Warren
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| 12/24/2011 07:10 AM |
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I would just bring in the rabbit. |
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| 12/24/2011 07:57 AM |
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Chacha, the OP has to follow the rules of their parents and doesn't have a choice, from their other threads. You can get some mesh to put on the hutch that would be small enough to keep mice out. Do keep an eye out for fleas and the like though, since mice carry them and you don't want your rabbit getting a flea infestation, if you see any the vet can give you advantage for them (it's a special dose for rabbits, so don't try doing it without instruction). |
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| 12/24/2011 02:20 PM |
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Okay. I will be getting him a hutch asap! maybe after i neuter him. and i will take him to the vet if he has flea.
P.S what does OP stands for??? |
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 MonkeybunHillsboro, Oregon
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| 12/24/2011 02:44 PM |
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| 12/24/2011 02:58 PM |
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Eh, rats and mice aren't disease ridden monsters like people think they are (i'm an advocate for wild r/m and I own a few rats and some mice). Mice are very skiddish creatures naturally, so most likely they won't go near your rabbit because rabbits are a lot bigger then them. Oh and Ps: rats and mice carry less diseases then your common house cats and dogs. It is all just a myth that they are gross animals who bring on sickness and death :/ |
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 MonkeybunHillsboro, Oregon
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| 12/24/2011 03:01 PM |
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domesticated ones, sure. wild ones, not so much. And I wouldn't sya its a myth either. Guess what animal brought on the Plague? |
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 RobertaWanneroo, Western Australia
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| 12/24/2011 04:00 PM |
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Technically it wasn't the rats themselves but the fleas that carried the fatal bacterial infection called "Yersina pestis." Bubonic Plague. And there in lies part of the answer to the question, control the fleas............ |
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 RobertaWanneroo, Western Australia
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| 12/24/2011 04:03 PM |
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Though I'd still bring your rabbit in. An indoor bunny is a happy bunny. |
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 Beka27Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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| 12/24/2011 04:46 PM |
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Posted By Rabbits101 on 12/24/2011 03:20 PM
Okay. I will be getting him a hutch asap! maybe after i neuter him. and i will take him to the vet if he has flea.
What kind of housing is he in right now? I think in another thread you mentioned a garage. Is the garage clean, dry, climate-controlled (or at least warm) and not used to store cars? Could you make some type of permanent housing in the garage. At least then the bun would be out of the elements... We do have some members who have housed buns in garages and it can be successful under the right conditions...
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Meadow.....
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| 12/24/2011 07:25 PM |
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Yeah it was the fleas that just happened to catch a ride on the rats.
What is he in now if not a hutch? If it's a larger area it's better to just secure that than put him in a hutch - pretty much anything can be secured against mice.  |
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| 12/24/2011 08:17 PM |
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ACTUALLY, they are starting to find things from history that say that it was actually human to human. :/
And correct, it was believed at first that the fleas, not the rats (and fleas can jump from any animal to a human).... I know just about everything about mice and rats, and rats and mice carry less diseases then cats and dogs (even wild rats and mice). :/ It wouldn't make sense that domesticated rats and mice carry less deseases then the wild ones because our domesticated rats are the same species as our common brown (or norway) wild rats. In fact, our domesticated rats have poorer immune systems then their wild cousins.
This is from a site about the "Black Death":
"The original argument was that the R. norwegicus deposed R. rattus from its niche when it came across Europe and because its habit was not to dwell in such close proximity to man, the rat fleas did not bit people so frequently, thus the rate of reinfection was not continuing. However, there was no significant rat mortality associated with the Black Death in records."
They are starting to look at the fact that it killed too rabidly, and it lasted too short of a period to be a Black Death epidemic.
Also, if the fleas (or rats) carried it, there would be more rat deaths then people deaths and there was no evidence of rats dying left and right from it. There would also see evidence of mass rat deaths in the mass human graves when they uncovered them because the rats would eat the bodies before dying. :/
And rats and mice are different species... |
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 MonkeybunHillsboro, Oregon
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| 12/24/2011 09:18 PM |
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Most those are the same things any wild animal can carry - even wild birds can potentially infect our pets with things.. dogs, squirrels, etc. That is why we are always cautioning people against using grass if any other animal has been using it as a potty. Fact is: wild animals are more prone to having disease since they are subjected to it much more than pet ones are (clean food source and water being the main difference). Mice are not really any more dangerous than other wild animals, but _all_ wild animals are dangerous to a sheltered pet. They just haven't built up the same immunities and instincts. Honestly, you are both correct - yes there is a disease risk, but no mice and rats aren't "disease ridden" any more than a lot of other animals. It's always best to keep wild to domesticated exposure to a minimum though.  |
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 MonkeybunHillsboro, Oregon
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| 12/24/2011 09:20 PM |
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I know that, but if there are mice in residence, its a higher risk than a bird flying by. Thus my warnings.  |
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| 12/24/2011 09:38 PM |
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Thank you guys all for the information!!!!!! MY rabbits lives in a wire cage |
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 LoveChaChaRabbit Warren
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| 12/24/2011 09:53 PM |
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is there a way that you could put down cardboard on the wire bottom cage? the wire is not really good for fragile bunny feet. |
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 Sam and Lady's Human
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| 12/24/2011 09:57 PM |
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Bunny feet don't have pads of fat like dogs and cats, or even humans. Its just bone and skin, and then fur. Its not ideal for rabbits to be on wire floors because of that, they get sore hocks. |
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| 12/24/2011 10:10 PM |
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Just saying, pest control groups obviously shove risks at people and pretty much promote why they need to kill them. Stickerbunny is right ALL animal can cause risks, but mice and rats aren't any more dangerous then any other wild animal. In fact, I have saved many wild rats and mice from near death and released them. I have never ever caught anything, and neither did my pets. Btw, the pest control site stated that the main issue with mice is salmonella... which ALL animals can carry. :/ Even some pets, like reptiles, birds and I heard hamsters can pass it on too (not sure how true that is, but I heard it a long time ago). I agree about the wire bottom, it's not very friendly on their feet. It can cause injury or just hurt them really bad. I would cover it or buy them a new cage. I also promote indoor buns, less likely for animals to hurt them, for the buns to get sick, or anything else bad from happening if they lived outside.. |
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 Beka27Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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| 12/25/2011 06:34 AM |
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Let's not get too off topic. Is housing your rabbit in an appropriate cage in the garage an option? |
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Meadow.....
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| 12/25/2011 07:35 AM |
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Indeed - wire bottoms are bad for bunny feet and it can give them sore hocks. Put a blanket cardboard, coroplast sheet, etc down over the bottom if you can. Then just grab some "aviary mesh" (very TINY holes, designed specifically to keep out things like that, meant for bird habitats outside) and put it around the outside, mice won't be able to get in. Then no worries about exposure, except to bugs. Is there a roof to the wire cage to protect him from the elements? |
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| 12/25/2011 11:25 AM |
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The as rabbit association put out a warning for rabbits - that mice are attracted to their pellets, come in and eat the pellets and poop and pee in their bowl. Apparently if rabbit eats this it can cause a really bad reaction in the gut and has a high chance of being fatal. Anyone else heard this? |
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| What weighs 35 tonnes, has four fuzzy ears and is 80 million years old?
Two rabbits riding a brontosaurus. |
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 RobertaWanneroo, Western Australia
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| 12/25/2011 03:51 PM |
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Mouse Poop !!! Good Point, Whilst the mouse is a relatively clean animal I have heard nasty things about their fecal leavings and bacterial contamination. I'd have to go looking for it though as my memory is ratty (pardon the pun) on the info. |
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| 12/25/2011 04:15 PM |
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Eating poo from any animal can be bad for your bun... But if anything the mice would be more attracted to their hay, veggies, or if you feed them that fiesta food stuff (which I hope yu don't, it is really unhealthy)... because from my experience rats and mice HATE rabbit pellets. They are wild and need food no matter in what way they find it, but I think with pellets it won't attract them but they may pick it up while they are roaming the rabbit cage. When I was a kid I used to leave out pellets for our backyard rats that we had (i'm weird, don't ask) and they never ate them... but if we fed the birds they would be out in a minute, or if I left out my hamster food for them. |
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 Sam and Lady's Human
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| 12/25/2011 04:43 PM |
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Posted By Mandyyy on 12/25/2011 05:15 PM
Eating poo from any animal can be bad for your bun... But if anything the mice would be more attracted to their hay, veggies, or if you feed them that fiesta food stuff (which I hope yu don't, it is really unhealthy)... because from my experience rats and mice HATE rabbit pellets. They are wild and need food no matter in what way they find it, but I think with pellets it won't attract them but they may pick it up while they are roaming the rabbit cage.
When I was a kid I used to leave out pellets for our backyard rats that we had (i'm weird, don't ask) and they never ate them... but if we fed the birds they would be out in a minute, or if I left out my hamster food for them.
Well...considering hay is a necessity for rabbits, you can't count on mice not coming by because IYE they don't like the pellets.
I think a set up in the garage is a great idea! Let us know some more details, and we'll work with you on an ideal layout for your bun! |
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| 12/25/2011 04:47 PM |
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Posted By Sam and Lady's Human on 12/25/2011 05:43 PM
Well...considering hay is a necessity for rabbits, you can't count on mice not coming by because IYE they don't like the pellets.
They don't eat the hay, they use it as bedding and nesting materials. |
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 Sam and Lady's Human
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| 12/25/2011 04:52 PM |
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Posted By Mandyyy on 12/25/2011 05:47 PM
Posted By Sam and Lady's Human on 12/25/2011 05:43 PM
Well...considering hay is a necessity for rabbits, you can't count on mice not coming by because IYE they don't like the pellets.
They don't eat the hay, they use it as bedding and nesting materials.
I'm sorry, for I'm feeling a bit fuzzy minded in my merry making, but mice do poop as they go, no? So they would poop and pee in the hay that the rabbits could very well eat? |
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