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| 09/09/2011 08:09 AM |
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Angie, I have to admit that I did see the names and I did recognize them as racial slurs. I assumed the OP didn't mean it as derogatory and just didn't think it was my place to say something. It is, however, your place to say something and I commend you for sticking up for your heritage and bringing this issue to light. I think your request that the names not be used on the site is perfectly valid. |
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 angie-laOakland, CA
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| 09/09/2011 08:47 AM |
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Just want to point out these names are NOT specific to the bay area. Asian Americans have been called c**** c**** chinamen [along with a whole other slew of names] in FILMS, music, shows, cartoons, and books since the early 1900's. Just because some of you have not heard these terms, does not mean we are somehow a raceless/colorblind society. My guess is the majority of you are Caucasian, and obviously you all are not racist bigots, so of course you haven't heard these terms. But, you would be very surprised how prevalent and accepted terms and attitudes are towards Asian Americans in this country, to this day. It's such a shame. Anyhow, I am holding out on the hope the OP did not mean these offensively and it was out of ignorance. Thank you all for your input and understanding! |
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| 09/09/2011 10:44 AM |
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Well hello, sorry I haven't checked back in a while, in the process of moving.
Yes, I am very aware of what Chingchong and Linglong means. Honestly, I did not mean to offend anyone. I'm Asian. And I LOVE being Asian. I just thought it was hilarious naming my babies that. I do realize just because I'm Asian does not mean I get to be racist toward myself. But racial slurs themselves are only offensive because those who used them meant them to be offensive. I got the idea to name them that after seeing this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=50Z2...ature=fvst
I'm sorry if the names of my bunnies offend you, but I personally think that girl's ignorance is funny and it was just fun to call them that. People are so rigid these days (and I understand for good reasons) and everything is racist, I think we as a people need to view ourselves as a people and stop differentiating skin colors and what we say and how we say it. To be frank, if I told everyone I were Asian in the very beginning, a lot less people will have an issue with what I chose to call them.
I used to get extremely offended if people call me chink, sliteyes (MY EYES ARE ACTUALLY NOT SMALL, THANKYOU), or C. Now I just straight up ask them if they even know what it means, if they don't I tell them, if they do, I give them a piece of my mind.
If the forum would like me to censor their names (use C and L) I will, but as to changing their names, that's not happening, I do retain that right. |
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| 09/09/2011 10:55 AM |
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Angie, I just reread my reply, and I am not implying that you're rigid. I meant we are just all on guard with our walls up about racial slurs because of past experiences, without the meaning, chingchong and linglong literally sounds funny. I've had my share of racial experience, and I absolutely understand why you are offended. All I'm asking is for you to detach the meaning from the names and just define them as: n. awesome bunnies. And the fact that I name them that actually allowed me to bring up the words in an inoffensive manner (friends have asked what the h@ll is C&L, and then I tell them what it means and they should probably never call anyone that).
Thank you for bringing it up.
And no Tate, you did not offend me, and I don't have a life, my bunnies are taking over. |
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| 09/09/2011 11:07 AM |
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I don't think anyone with a bunny has a life, we are just slaves to their whims.  How are they handling the move? Thank you for popping in and explaining, trinnie. |
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| 09/09/2011 11:09 AM |
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OOOPS SORRY --- THIS IS BB in ADMIN MODE:
Posted By angie-la on 09/09/2011 09:47 AM
. But, you would be very surprised how prevalent and accepted terms and attitudes are towards Asian Americans in this country, to this day. It's such a shame.
It is heart breaking actually. Though I have not heard of part of that term before, I have experienced first hand with my family and friend some ridiculous behaviors from strangers -- not words, but just behaviors that blew me away.
My best friend was my maid of honor at my wedding in another state, which was a bit more rural and didn't have much diversity. She was seriously the only Asian person there. You would have thought she was an alien by the looks she was gettting. I was dumbfounded at first and then i just felt irritated as I thought "Hello....people,what's wrong with you, this is not the 1940s, this is 1999" (well it was when this happened), and a waitress asked me what my friend wanted. I said...."I don't know, you'll have to ask her". It was all so bizarre to me.
And another time, only about 4 years ago, in a similar area (I don't want to name cities and states as I don't want to generalize or insult all residents of an area) my brother, his wife (Taiwanese) and my nephews (asian/white) and I went to the grocery store. My brother and his family were too busy shopping to notice something I found terribly disturbing, but there was a family that gave them the most horrific look of disdain - almost a feeling of violence in it. And it was NOT a misunderstanding. They were mumbling things under their breaths but it was the looks that were the most disturbing. It was of just pure hatred - Like they'd be the type to wait out in the parking lot and start something. I stared back at them with a "Don't you even think about it" look, but that didnt deter their looks of disgust. I told my brother about it so he could keep a look out.
So though I may be oblivious to certain words, I think it can also be the things that people don't say that can be damaging,(and if I hadn't been part of those experiences, I would be oblivious of that too -- and that last experience was extremely shocking because it truly came from a belief that was demeaning to just the very "existence" of another person due to race.) And so though this thread has gone onto another direction for now, I am glad that this is something that has been brought up, because you don't have to be of a particular race to speak up IF you notice something off...it's just part of being the human race. Though in the forum....you can take action by using the "alert" button right away so we can get to it right away. You can also do it anonymously or even if you are "unsure", better to hit an alert and just say..."not sure...but take a look at this". (however, again, I do understand not recognizing something as well)
I want to make clear that I am not saying that this thread or the OP had any of the thoughts that I had experienced from others, I am just responding to Angie's statement of how attitudes can still be infected to this day. |
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| 09/09/2011 11:45 AM |
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Posted By trinnie on 09/09/2011 11:55 AM
All I'm asking is for you to detach the meaning from the names and just define them as: n. awesome bunnies. And the fact that I name them that actually allowed me to bring up the words in an inoffensive manner (friends have asked what the h@ll is C&L, and then I tell them what it means and they should probably never call anyone that).
In this type of setting -- it is impossible and an unrealistic expectation to ask a whole community to detach. Not everyone is going to read this thread and be prepped, and it shouldn't be necessary for you to explain why you named them something that would offend someone right off the bat. If you tell your friends they should never call anyone that, then that means it would be offensive to alot of people. It's great that you have come to terms with certain things that suit what is best for you, but for a "community", I can't allow offensive names to be used over and over. I wouldn't allow it to happen for any other race, gender, religion, etc and so there won't be an exception here.
So from now on -- please use C & L.
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 angie-laOakland, CA
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| 09/09/2011 12:20 PM |
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Posted By trinnie on 09/09/2011 11:44 AM
To be frank, if I told everyone I were Asian in the very beginning, a lot less people will have an issue with what I chose to call them.
Actually, I would still be just as offended had I known this from the get-go. As a matter of fact, I think I'm even more disappointed and upset that you ARE an Asian American and still think it's okay to name them these names. But, to each their own. This is not the place for me to get into that. As long as you refer to them as C & L, that's all we ask.
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| 09/10/2011 04:03 PM |
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Have you thought about the influence you have over others with regard to racial epithets? Some people might learn the names of your bunnies, see that you are an Asian American, and then take from that that it's okay to say those terms when referring to other Asian Americans. You're taking on a responsibility of sorts by using these names, which I assume you will tell to your friends and family and others who might ask you about your pets. If even *one* person comes away from a conversation with you thinking that these terms are acceptable, then that alone is a negative outcome of your decision. In this day and age, it is our responsibility to erase negative ethnic slurs, not make light of them and encourage their use, no matter how amusing you think they are. I can see the first name being unknown to some, but the second one is unmistakably derogatory. After that, it doesn't take much to realize that they are both offensive. |
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| 09/10/2011 07:31 PM |
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I am 1/4 Asian (Mongolian and Maori), I have natural blonde hair and "Asian" eyes. Personally I have had to deal with people asking me if "I'm dumb because I'm blonde or if I'm smart because I'm Asian", people telling me I look like an anime character, and my Japanese teacher in front of the entire class has discussed several times how I should move to Japan to be a model because quote: "they love people like you". I've heard the terms mentioned in the posts above and I just hope that everyone in the world can just stop using ALL ethnic/racial slurs. That's just my opinion (: |
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| 09/10/2011 09:36 PM |
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bunnyfriend - Half Asian models are really popular in Japan. Some have gone there and became 'talentos.' I am not saying that you should, but there is a reason behind why your teacher said that. I too have to deal with 'You are Asian, you are smart,' crap. I actually suck at Math (I pulled Cs.. LOL). |
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| 09/11/2011 06:35 AM |
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Ohhhhh good to know I always thought she was being a little offensive! Haha yeah math and I are not friends |
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| 09/11/2011 09:56 AM |
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Hahaha, Math and I bump heads like you wouldn't believe -___________- |
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| 09/11/2011 10:15 AM |
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I always hated the dumb blonde comments... thanks, but i was usually at the top of my class >.< |
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| 09/11/2011 03:40 PM |
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Hahah I hate dumb blonde jokes too and sometimes when someone makes one I like to point out that in my experience, the blondes who act dumb are usually fake blondes. ;P (not intended to be mean lol) |
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| 09/11/2011 05:42 PM |
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I am the least 'Asian' person among my friends. I don't speak an Asian language, I don't know how to use chopsticks, I don't eat rice. I have really laid back parents (I've heard horror stories about Asian parents.. lol!!!) and I'm really thankful for that. But I REALLY love cute Japanese stuff hahaha
I had a customer come through my line and say "Your name is Brittany? You look like a Ming-lee." I wanted to smack him. He has an Asian wife and half Asian children and I don't think that gave him the right to say that -____-
Hahah bunnyfriend XD |
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| 09/11/2011 06:26 PM |
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Uggg that would make me so mad! I'm not very "Asian" either, neither our my parents but I do speak Japanese and am going to Japan this summer for some volunteer work/exchange program (: |
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