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BINKYBUNNY FORUMS > RESCUE EFFORTS FOR SHELTERS > My adventures in independent rescue/outreach get harder -- pics. caution.
Last Post by Sarita at 1/12/2012 2:53 AM (72 Replies)
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User is Offline lazyhistoire
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4/29/2011 9:19 PM

This is really hard for me, guys.

I went to a local animal sanctuary (not rabbit specific) to volunteer and these people have NO IDEA what they are doing. I'm going to TRY to work with them - but geez man. I feel like I'm so glad I started doing SOMETHING in my area because this is what I found around here.... *sigh*

The rabbits are being housed ... no wait, hoarded outdoors. One of them has head tilt that is not being treated. Another with a weepy eye, again not being treated.

These buns have urine scald all over their bodies - lack of litter boxes. Just hay everywhere - they go where they sleep.

Feeding time: A volunteer just dumps a bunch of food in a few different spots and the stronger buns get the food.

I brought them cilantro and parsley this morning and made sure everyone got at least a little bit.

This is the water supply:

I was crying the whole way home. A mix between that and wanting to hurl.

I even lifted up some wood panels and I found a litter of babies under there that are about 6 weeks old I think? They didn't even KNOW about them AHHGHHH!!! 

 


User is Offline lazyhistoire
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4/29/2011 9:24 PM

I also wanted to add that I brought one of the babies home - the mom isn't there..

It seemed to have wonky legs and needing veterinary care so I am taking him/her on tuesday for full bloodwork. If they find anything, I'll know more about the rest of the litter too, hopefully. I'll talk more with my vet about that.

This is Kramer:

We call him/her Cosmo right now because we don't really know the sex.

His wonky sea legs are seeming to be a bit better - we even got a few binkies! So I'm hoping for good news at the vet.

 


User is Offline peppypoo
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4/29/2011 9:31 PM

WHAT?? How does that even qualify as an animal sanctuary? Are these rabbits fixed at all??  Also, head tilt can be contagious...did you let them know to separate that rabbit?

Tammo (RIP), Milo (RIP), Peppy, Remi

User is Offline lazyhistoire
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4/30/2011 4:38 AM
I DON'T KNOW!!!!! No, none of them are fixed and many need emergency medical care. I dont know what to do!! I tried to talk to her about it but she didn't seem to know much. I'm sure she means well but GEEEEEZ...
when I asked about spay/neuter I got really shady answers from the owner and volunteers. They basically tell you yeah some are. There are over 50 though. They literally told me that they only separated the males and females, from what they think are... Idk how they know the difference if they don't even realize how they are running a "sanctuary", but that they "just keep having litters anyways!!"

My jaw nearly dropped. One of the babies was as old as Cosmo in the photos, maybe younger, but was missing streaks of fur. I wanted to take it to the vet ASAP but he's with his momma. He looks really sick.

I'm going back this morning to bring the poor things some more cilantro and greens, and try to sit down with the owner about how the rabbits are cared for. However I don't think it will do much...I will try to get some pics of the baby in need.

I just also want to add, this is how they are housing dogs and cats too. They're all outdoors it just looks like animal hoarding...
They were smoking around the animals, there are cigarette butts, and they also even hinted that they might be smoking marijuana as they thought one of the dogs was stoned.

K, scuse me, I'm going to go hurl.

User is Offline lazyhistoire
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4/30/2011 4:40 AM
Oh yeah and one of the volunteers mentioned that they may get shut down (wonder why).
What will happen to all those buns?? To all the animals?

User is Offline lazyhistoire
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4/30/2011 4:46 AM
Didn't see your part about head tilt, Pep, but of course I told them!! All of them, multiple times!!!
They said "no he's fine! He's so sweet! It's name is Twist!"

Omg.

I'm crying again.

She started trying to talk to me about it though. The owner. Like I said I think she means well. I referred her to a vet that helped my sisters rabbit when it got tilt. We were scared but a year and a half later you can't even tell she was ever sick.
All she said was no I took him there already. All the vets told me that it was bc he got dropped and they can't fix it.
I explained to her how rabbits really get head tilt but she still didn't seem to care much.


User is Offline Sarita
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4/30/2011 5:45 AM
I would see if HRRN has some advice for you since you are already in contact with them and see what they say.

I would also talk to a local Humane Society or SPCA to see if they have some advice.

User is Offline lazyhistoire
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4/30/2011 6:11 AM
Thank you Sarita.
I called HRRN already and they haven't gotten back to me yet. I have another line to reach them where I will call today.
After I talk to the owner today and see if she's willing or able to rehab the buns, I will probably have to call animal care services.

User is Offline brittbritt
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4/30/2011 3:57 PM
I really think animal services needs to be contacted. This is abuse especially if there are some with obvious medical needs.

User is Offline mocha200
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4/30/2011 5:33 PM
Its neglect! this is horrible! how can they even think that its ok!
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User is Offline Monkeybun
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4/30/2011 7:52 PM
Did the owner talk to you yet? Whats the verdict, animal services coming in? These poor buns.. and other animals too, if they are being kept in the same conditions!

User is Offline Lintini
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4/30/2011 10:07 PM
Wow....that is terrible!
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User is Offline lazyhistoire
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5/01/2011 5:47 AM

I spoke with the owner. She seemed quite taken aback, saying things like 'oh my gosh, no one's ever told me that. none of my rabbit vets ever told me that.'

The weird part is .. she mentioned she had talked to all these vets about it. I told her she needs to talk to a vet that is experienced specifically with rabbits. I told her who mine was and she said she had seen him and told her the same thing. There is no way that my vet would ever tell her anything like that.

The other vet she mentioned, is on the House Rabbit Society website. So this made me feel like it was mostly an act. I'm going to speak with both vets. I think she sort of knows that she isn't doing things right.

Here's the bun with tilt:

We talked for a little bit and I explained to her about how head tilt can be contagious but she just thinks that it was dropped on it's head... uhh, okay? And I told her most of those rabbits have urine scald. She said she thought it was from the hay being wet. I told her she needed to house them indoors for starters, and they need to be using litterboxes. They also need to be seperated... they can't keep having litters she doesn't even know about! And sadly, I'm pretty sure one of them is pregnant again.

I gave them fresh water and herbs yesterday because no one else does anything for them .. there are loooooooots of flies around their cage. I tried to tell her about fly strike, too. Especially if they are living in wet hay, and most having urine scald.. ahhhhhhh

 

 


User is Offline MarkBun
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5/01/2011 7:28 AM

Contact animal services again immediately. This is NOT a rescue nor shelter. It is a hording/abuse situation.  It is people like this - who think they're doing something good for the animals, that winds up causing such massive detriment and suffering for the animals.

If the animals are capable of reproducing freely, then they are NOT, I repeat NOT a licensed shelter or rescue. This is just someone who likes rabbits and collects them from other places. She thinks it's better than having them euthanized but truthfully, in the long run, it isn't.

My bonding quest with Maryann - Read about a less than easy bonding with two buns - but they did bond!

User is Offline Helenor
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5/01/2011 10:04 AM
Oh goodness! I thought the yellowish color on the buns was natural until I looked again and realized it was urine. Poor things. I hope animal services will get them out of there soon.

User is Offline Sarita
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5/01/2011 12:25 PM
I suggest the vets as well. Vets are great witnesses when it comes to animal abuse and they want to help. They can help with statements to animal control, etc... as well.

User is Offline LoveChaCha
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5/01/2011 8:26 PM
Aw... this is sad Please call the animal controL.. this is.. no rabbit sanctuary :'(
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User is Offline lazyhistoire
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5/02/2011 5:43 AM
I've been playing phone tag with 2 vets.
HRRN called me last night but I was downstairs doing laundry and missed her call and am playing phone tag there too. *sigh*

We will get this sorted out!!!

User is Offline Sarita
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5/02/2011 5:57 AM
Where is she claiming to get the rabbits from?

User is Offline lazyhistoire
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5/02/2011 6:05 AM
She wouldn't tell me. I tried to ask about that, and the volunteers didn't know either.
From what it looks like though, they just keep reproducing.
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