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BINKYBUNNY FORUMS > RAINBOW BRIDGE > I'm stressed out about my bunny :(
Last Post by Beka27 at 11/12/2010 12:38 AM (32 Replies)
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User is Offline cactuspancake
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11/04/2010 9:52 PM

I've already cried a few times this morning because it seems like people's bunnies are fine one day then turn for the worst the next... and that's just how it goes for bunnies. My poor baby ... I hope he is ok... I love him so much. I'm staying up even right now instead of going to bed thinking about what I can do to clean the coccidia and do everything I can to help Franz so he doesn't get really ill. Also... I've never seen him sleep which I find strange. He's literally near me from morning to night and I stay up till 5am or later sometimes. He lays down with his eyes wide open. Also his breathing has never seemed "calm" to me... always kind of quickening once in awhile. I hope he is not in pain from his tummy. I want to ask the vet tomorrow if there is anything else I can do. I love him so much and it's hard to sleep at night with him in the other room wondering if he's okI can't sleep with him in mine cause there's no way to keep him from jumping on the bed and peeing... he cleared 3 feet of plastic (giant tupperwares on their sides) and I've kind of given up on that one lol... He's gotten away with it like 10 times now I don't know what it is about my bed but I have coin laundry >.<

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User is Offline bunnymum16
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11/04/2010 10:02 PM
with regards to his coccidia,just keep giving him his meds and he will be fine.make sure to clean and disinfect everything he touched so he wont get reinfected.

Rabbits sleep with their eyes open sometimes. I have never seen my bunny Chance sleep with her eyes closed. My other bunny Chace shuts his eyes pretty much everytime.theyre the complete opposites.

I really hope he gets better.keep us updated.

User is Offline cactuspancake
Boston, MA
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11/04/2010 10:05 PM
Thanks... I didn't know bunnies could sleep with their eyes open haha makes me feel better
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User is Offline LoveChaCha
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11/04/2010 10:59 PM

Yes indeed!

Rabbits.. not all, will sleep with their eyes open. My Chacha will flop out, her nose stops twitching like crazy (slower) and will just sleep.. with her eyes open. I can tell she is asleep - I say her name and her ears don't move and she doesn't make any movmenet. Yes, it is very scary!!

 

Some rabbits will go into a bunny loaf (Tucking in all lumps) and sleep like that! Its so cute!

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User is Offline lashkay
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11/04/2010 11:25 PM
I found the following information and urge you to bring it to the attention of your vet...

I, lashkay, use a solution of Vanodine to disinfect my litterboxes and rabbit pens so I strongly vouch for it. I find it excellent.

You might want to read about Vanodine as a disinfectant and effective biocide which inactivates all types of organisms, at this link:

http://barbibrownsbunnies.com/famrabbitry.htm

On the same site under medicine chest is mentioned that:
Sulfaquinoxaline, Sulmet or Corid powder is used to treat coccidiosis by many breeders but should be used with great care as there can be many side effects from using sulfa.

Stuff worth bringing up to your vet. Try not to be too stressed. Take good care of yourself. Be well, Franz.


User is Offline FluffyBunny
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11/04/2010 11:56 PM
One of my rabbits used to sleep with his eyes open and ears up. He's always had the quick breath too - along with the occasional squeaky sighing...he always sounds so nervous!

One of my rabbits had some problems with a salivary gland infection a few weeks ago. It made him very tired, and he never had much interest in food or hand signal training (believe me, if you knew him, you'd know just how strange that is!). Even though what he had wasn't immediately life-threatening, I was terribly afraid that he'd suddenly take a turn for the worse...especially after reading dozens of horror stories about bunnies with abscesses/infections dying suddenly. After a few weeks of giving him his daily antibiotic and watching him carefully, his problem went away.

Sometimes it's easy to get really stressed out about bunnies, especially after reading all the terrible stories about rabbits dying suddenly. (It doesn't help that the terrible rabbit stories are practically addicting to read!) However, I just tell myself that if my bunnies are going to die suddenly, there's not much I can do besides caring for them as well as I can and enjoying my time with them.

As long as you're following your vet's instructions and watching your bunny carefully, I'm sure he'll make a quick recovery. In the mean time, try not to stress yourself out too much!

(And woohoo, another bunny owner who stays up until 5 AM! *cheers*)
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User is Offline cactuspancake
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11/05/2010 1:24 PM
Hehe thanks. He is becoming more and more affectionate every day despite his illness. He even let's me touch his chin and play with his feet lol they're so fuzzy
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User is Offline cactuspancake
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11/05/2010 1:31 PM
Thanks Kay. I know about the sulfa which bothers me... Also the fact that it doesn't kill the coccidia in the system, just stops the lifecycle so he could then just eat another infected poop an be in the same boat. The new drug ponazeril cures it in 3 doses with no sideaffects! I'm thinking about asking for it but I don't want to make the vet angry thinking I'm telling her how to do her job :/ also he's on two sulfa medicines! I'm going to buy some of that stuff and clean with it everyday thanks. I want to clean all the carpets since thy are probably infected but I don't know what to use. I looked up te resilience of coccidia and it seems to live a long time outside the body... And the only things that kill it are 10% ammonia solutions and bleach cleaner that sits for 20 minutes before rinsing. I'm frustrated because I think he will just reinfect himself
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User is Offline Sarita
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11/05/2010 1:35 PM
I've had many a rabbits with this and as long as you keep the area clean and keep him on his medication that is all you should need to do. That stuff is written for a rabbitry and you don't have a rabbitry. You have one rabbit.

User is Offline cactuspancake
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11/05/2010 1:36 PM
What should I disenfect with?
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User is Offline Sarita
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11/05/2010 1:36 PM
You only have one rabbit and that stuff is used in rabbitry's. I've had many rabbits come to me with coccidia and keeping the area clean and taking the medication has cure it. You need not go to such extremes.

User is Offline lashkay
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11/05/2010 6:41 PM
An effective disinfectant is as effective for one rabbit as it is in a breeder's rabbitry. I've been raising four rabbits for nine years which have had very healthy lives for the most part with the exception of one who lived for 7 mos. with congenital seizures. I live in a domestic arrangement with my two healthy (knock on wood) pet rabbits in a studio apartment and I use Vanodine. If it's more effective than it needs to be, that's a reason not to use it? I don't follow the logic. To my mind, the more effective the stuff you use to wipe down your litterboxes and bunny's habitat, the better for the animal's welfare! Just a little goes a long way in a spray bottle. I would caution some of you with albeit well-founded prejudices against breeders and their rabbitries in the vast majority to keep an open mind that they all aren't horrendous and some of them like Barbi Brown support good products and support good info which they advise for the welfare of pet rabbits as well as other breeders alike. I have confidence in the inexpensive bottle of Vanodine that I use that it's the best thing I can use and a great value to keep my rabbits germ free and healthy without being corrosive as some disinfectants can be and it is harmless to animals while being very beneficial to them following the directions. I may be in the minority, but from my experience you can't be too careful or use too-effective valuable illness preventatives in maintaining the healthy lives of these creatures and their fragile and delicate constitutions. Why press your luck by trying to get away with what little you've come to believe you can get away with is my way of thinking.

User is Offline cactuspancake
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11/05/2010 7:04 PM

I know coccidia is really common... but it IS a really scary parasite... my bunny is still in the danger population that has a high death rate from the infection. It's nearly impossible to kill without going to extreme measures. My bunny isn't litterbox trained and he's already pooped on many surfaces... He has a compromised immune system and I don't think he's been 100% healthy his entire life. It's only for maybe a few times, but I really really need something safe to sanatize everything. I don't want him breathing in bleach fumes with his upper respiratory infection! I don't mind spending extra money to get something that might help his health. I could never live with myself if something happened to him that I could've done something to prevent! I'm going to give the stuff a try. I still need to know what I can use on fabrics though... like the carpet and the couch. I'm thinking lysol and keep the bunny in his room for a day to let the smell settle.

Franz seems good today although he's super territorial today! I wouldn't let him in my room and he peed on everything in the house he could find and pulled on our pantlegs in anger! It can be frustrating having a hormonal bunny!

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User is Offline Sarita
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11/05/2010 9:01 PM
That's true Lashkay - I don't think it's not a good thing and it certainly won't hurt - it's true better to be more effective. I can only speak from my own experience in the past with my rabbits that have had this and I never used this product - never even heard of it and all my rabbits survived it just fine with keeping the area clean and medicating the rabbit.

By all means cactupancake, if you can find it, buy it and use it. Not sure this is meant to be used on fabrics and carpet you'll have to read the label.

I don't think you need to be scared however as I mentioned. Albon as a medication has always been used in the past and it will cure it.

User is Offline Sarita
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11/05/2010 9:22 PM
Lashkay, is that something that you can use on carpet and fabrics? I would imagine not, but just curious.

User is Offline cactuspancake
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11/05/2010 9:41 PM
I just did my research on it and probably not since iodine stains? But I'm going to spray the dilute a bit and repot back on fabric samples ;p
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User is Offline lashkay
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11/05/2010 9:53 PM
Sarita, I appreciate your sharing, and hearing about your experiences, taking care of rabbits with coccidiosis and I'm glad they pulled through. It speaks highly of you as well for being willing to be receptive to hearing about a product new to you, moreover one that is supported by breeders who we know have contaminated their reputations for you and other houserabbit owners in the vast majority and in some instances with good reason. Pat yourself on the back and thank you for your openmindedness to learning from others! From what I understand, Vanodine is becoming in low supply in the US and its import from the UK to the US may stop altogether presently so it is good to know that you can vouch from your personal experience that what you use has worked for you, as those of us who value the Vanodine may be denied access to it at anytime now and adhering to your example.

User is Offline lashkay
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11/05/2010 10:09 PM
Whether or not the Vanodine in the disinfectant dilution stains fabric I couldn't say, the extent of what I've used it on is linoleum flooring, stainless steel eating utensils and the plastic litterbox and no stains. Mixed as a disinfectant it does turn the water a light yellow color so on light colored fabrics it may stain. In its concentrated form in the bottle it is dark brown. For the powerful benefits from it, it would almost be worth a slight staining to me and on darker fabrics might not show up at all. I would recommend mixing some up and spraying it on a small hidden area and let it dry overnight and see if it stains. Barbi Brown is very nice and helpful and you can contact her and ask if it stains also. I will spray some on an old white shirt tonight and see if it shows any stain tomorrow and let you know.

User is Offline KatnipCrzy
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11/06/2010 9:52 AM

There is no reason to stress out about coccidia and the environment!    When I got Griffin, my English Lop, from the breeder- I had a stool sample tested- and he was positve for coccidia.  I gave him the meds prescribed (Albon, in his case) completed treatment with the meds and a couple of weeks later rechecked his fecal and it was negative.

I just kept his litterbox clean and wiped down his cage bottom and shelf (large dog crate) and washed his blankets twice a week or so.  Coccida can really get "set" into concrete which is porous and wood- but most cages and even wood flooring and carpet is not likely to become a huge source of coccidia just waiting to strike again.  It is only a real issue when there are animals housed on porous flooring that keep contaminating the environment.

I had Griffin in another room in quarantine from my other rabbits since he had been to a County 4H fair- just to be on the safe side.  I used vinegar/water to wipe everything down just as I would for my regular bunnies and washed his blankets as normal.  Coccidia is said to not be passed in the cecals that they pass to eat- and it must be true because after treatment Griff was negative and he must have eaten all his cecals- I never saw any in his cage.

If you have healthy rabbits that do not leave the house and no other rabbits enter the house- you can disinfect the litterboxes- but they cannot get infected from something if they are healthy.  I am more concerned about cleaning and odor- so I use vinegar and water to clean.  Anything harsher than that you need to make sure it is very well rinsed and all cleaning odors are gone before letting the rabbit near them- as bleach or other harsher cleaners can irritate a rabbits nasal passage and eyes.

 

Cotton and Schroeder- Mini Lops Griffin- English Lop

User is Offline cactuspancake
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11/06/2010 9:43 PM
The vet said to throw out wood stuff and sanitze the floor, rugs, couch everything and then to do It again when he is around his last dose. That's what I read about and te vet confirmed about all the crazy cleaning I have to do I will start tomorrow.

Also hr was really really wantin pellets so when I reached in there too with the bowl be bit me bad and I screamed! I have blood

There are mad mats under his chin which I've never done, and. It's jus sooo bad... He hated every second of it. We couldbt get him on his back so I had to just work with it.... Poor guy.

Also he peed on the couch then looked me and peed by the stove >.< I Wal like bad bunny! And put him in his cage. He hadn't got his medicine or pellets yet... So me and Michael went to do it and he didn't want it. Made me sad cause I didn't want to stress him out even more... So michael had to hold him down and he was struggling and jerking around and it was painful to watch but finally I got most all of it in his bunneh mouf.

I'm sad because I don't like putting him In his Gage on a bad note and don't like stressing him out and holding his body down...

When is enough enough? I the bunny has escaped twice and shaking should I still grab him and get that medicine down ?
Or should I wait a bit and try? I don't want to stress him out he's petrified.
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