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BINKYBUNNY FORUMS > BONDING > Bonding Mr. Bunny and Ms. Rabbit - Lovebunnies again **BONDED**
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User is Offline jerseygirl
Australia
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10/05/2010 6:49 AM
The bunnies have also been nipping each other through the bars of the cage all day (I found a few cuts on Ms. Rabbit's face), so even though they wanted to sleep next to eachother yesterday, I had to mostly block them from touching noses today.

Good idea. Better to be safe then sorry.
You're being really consistant with the sessions. I think that will help tremendously. Have you tried using a spray of water when Mr Bunny tries bite at her?
Whoever says "It's only a rabbit" has obviously never loved a rabbit.

User is Offline FluffyBunny
Boulder, Colorado
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10/05/2010 11:38 PM
jersey, yes, I have tried water. Neither rabbit cares how much they get sprayed - they'll bite anyway.

Unfortunately, all the pics I took today came out blurry.

Bonding session #10 went well. I decided to try something a little different today. I brought the two bunnies in carriers to a semi-neutral upstairs room that Mr. Bunny visits occasionally. I let them out on a small rug. The bunnies were too busy exploring to bother seeing eachother. After a while, they laid down for head pets a few inches away from eachother. Mr. Bunny tried to bite Ms. Rabbit a few times, but the last few minutes of the session were rather uneventful.
"Time flies when you have a bun!" | "Ask not what your bunny can do for you, but what you can do for your bunny."
Here comes Mr. Bunny-tail, hoppin' down the rabby trail.
Hippity hoppity, binkitty floppity, Bunbun's on his way.
Then hops down Ms. Rabbit-girl, hoppin' down the bunny
trail. Hippity hoppity, binkitty floppity, Rabby's on her way.


User is Offline Petzy
Northern AB Canada
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10/06/2010 7:09 AM
Tail-biting is not the same as other biting. It irritates but it's more investigative in intention than aggressive. I think yours are well on their way to being bonded.
Photobucket "what happened? did something happen or can I just go back to my hay?"

User is Offline FluffyBunny
Boulder, Colorado
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10/06/2010 11:42 AM

Sorry about the dark pics.

Bonding session #11 went quite well. This time, after a quick bucket session, I gave them most of the neutral hallway to hop around in. They seem to do pretty well in a slightly larger space.

When I first put them in the hallway together, they both just explored:

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After a few minutes of that, they hopped next to eachother and had a staring contest:

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I stopped Mr. Bunny from getting too close to her belly/paws/tail a few times. I think he's starting to get the idea, since he didn't keep coming back to try sniffing her belly again like he used to.

Ms. Rabbit kept requesting licks. Fortunately, she was satisfied by some petting from the human:

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After a little while, Mr. Bunny hopped away and explored the room again:

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Ms. Rabbit took advantage Mr. Bunny turning his back to her. She put her ears back and started charging at him full-speed. Fortunately, I was able to catch her before she could reach him. I put her back in the center of the room:

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I pet Ms. Rabbit for a few minutes while Mr. Bunny hopped around the room. After a while, Mr. Bunny hopped over. The two bunnies started touching noses. I was worried Mr. Bunny would bite Ms. Rabbit , but they seemed to be happy just rubbing noses. They laid next to eachother and took a quick nap:

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Both bunnies started grooming themselves, before laying down and taking another nap:

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After a couple of minutes, I decided to end the session - on a positive note.

They've definitely made progress over the last few days. They used to have a huge fight any time I put them in a space any larger than the bucket.

"Time flies when you have a bun!" | "Ask not what your bunny can do for you, but what you can do for your bunny."
Here comes Mr. Bunny-tail, hoppin' down the rabby trail.
Hippity hoppity, binkitty floppity, Bunbun's on his way.
Then hops down Ms. Rabbit-girl, hoppin' down the bunny
trail. Hippity hoppity, binkitty floppity, Rabby's on her way.


User is Offline Beka27
Cleveland, Ohio (USA)
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10/07/2010 1:03 AM
You're on the right track. Just keep it going, and have long sessions if you can, an hour each day (or more!) The more they are together, the quicker the bond will be.
Meadow..... Photobucket ...... Max, my angel bunny

User is Offline FluffyBunny
Boulder, Colorado
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10/09/2010 12:18 AM

Just realized that I never posted about yesterday's session.

Bonding session #12 went well. It was about a 45 minute session. The bunnies were in the hallway. They spent the first few minutes exploring the room. After that, they approached eachother and relaxed with their noses touching. Eventually, they hopped away from eachother. Mr. Bunny seemed particularly interested in Ms. Rabbit's butt, and I had to keep him from sniffing it a few times. Ms. Rabbit hid in the box for about 10 minutes. She wandered off into the bathroom a few times. The rest of the session was about the same. I eventually seperated them after they had been sleeping next to eachother for about 5 minutes.

Bonding session #13 went alright. The session lasted about 25 minutes. The bunnies were in the hallway.

As usual, they spent the first few minutes exploring the room:

After a few minutes, the bunnies put their heads down with their noses touching, as usual:

I gently pet Ms. Rabbit on the head and covered her eyes, while letting Mr. Bunny sniff her over. He carefully sniffed her nose, and then gave her some nibbly grooms on the forehead. He then hopped away.

Ms. Rabbit hopped off and started to wander into the bathroom:

Mr. Bunny chased her, and I barely managed to keep a fight from breaking out. Ms. Rabbit got scared and went in the bathroom, where she thumped like crazy.

After the bunnies calmed down a little, Ms. Rabbit hopped over to Mr. Bunny and they sat with noses almost touching again:

This time, I pet Mr. Bunny and covered his eyes to see what Ms. Rabbit would do. Ms. Rabbit decided that it would be a great opportunity to bite Mr. Bunny (hard!) on the nose. The bunnies both started freaking out and grunting. They had already started fighting before I could grab the broom. Fortunately, I managed to break it up before anybun got hurt.

Mr. Bunny groomed himself and looked pissed off for awhile before finally just giving up and eating pellets. Ms. Rabbit hid in her box and thumped:

Mr. Bunny stared at the box and waited for Ms. Rabbit to come out:

Eventually, he gave up and flopped:

Ms. Rabbit decided to take advantage of that. She hopped out of her box and tried to nip him on the butt. He ran away from her, and she chased after him, constantly trying to give him a nice, hard bite. Both bunnies seemed exausted and scared, so I decided to seperate them then.

They spent the afternoon in eachother's rooms. They both coated their new rooms with pee and poop, but other than that, they did quite well.

 

 

"Time flies when you have a bun!" | "Ask not what your bunny can do for you, but what you can do for your bunny."
Here comes Mr. Bunny-tail, hoppin' down the rabby trail.
Hippity hoppity, binkitty floppity, Bunbun's on his way.
Then hops down Ms. Rabbit-girl, hoppin' down the bunny
trail. Hippity hoppity, binkitty floppity, Rabby's on her way.


User is Offline FluffyBunny
Boulder, Colorado
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10/09/2010 5:06 PM
Bonding has been put on hold for an unknown amount of time. The bunnies got into eachother's rooms again, but this time, Ms. Rabbit got a serious bite wound. I don't plan to have them together again for a couple weeks at least.
"Time flies when you have a bun!" | "Ask not what your bunny can do for you, but what you can do for your bunny."
Here comes Mr. Bunny-tail, hoppin' down the rabby trail.
Hippity hoppity, binkitty floppity, Bunbun's on his way.
Then hops down Ms. Rabbit-girl, hoppin' down the bunny
trail. Hippity hoppity, binkitty floppity, Rabby's on her way.


User is Offline jerseygirl
Australia
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10/09/2010 6:09 PM
I'm sorry to hear FB! Space plays such an important role. In the limited area of the hallway, things looked to be progressing well. I hope there is not too serious a setback from this fight. A break will provide healing time for Ms Rabbit and hopefully Mr B will be off his meds too. You could continue swapping pens in the meantime I guess. (((Vibes))) for them both and for you.
Whoever says "It's only a rabbit" has obviously never loved a rabbit.

User is Offline Karla
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10/10/2010 1:13 AM
I thought your last post lookd really promising as well. Give them a time-out from each other. Do as JG suggests by swapping pens and perhaps let them see each other through the bars - supervised! - while they are taking a smaller break from each other. When you are not there to supervise them, don't let them be able to see each other.

Once you are ready again, perhaps you should start out with the bucket again.

User is Offline FluffyBunny
Boulder, Colorado
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10/10/2010 11:14 AM
I'm just as disappointed that it turned out like this as you all are - as you two said, they seemed to be making progress.

I plan to just start fresh with bucket sessions once I start again. I don't plan to do that until early net month, at least.
"Time flies when you have a bun!" | "Ask not what your bunny can do for you, but what you can do for your bunny."
Here comes Mr. Bunny-tail, hoppin' down the rabby trail.
Hippity hoppity, binkitty floppity, Bunbun's on his way.
Then hops down Ms. Rabbit-girl, hoppin' down the bunny
trail. Hippity hoppity, binkitty floppity, Rabby's on her way.


User is Offline Petzy
Northern AB Canada
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10/11/2010 4:43 PM
Don't feel bad, Fluffybun. It can still work out. Next time, when you start fresh, do without the adjacent housing as a safety precaution. I have my unbonded one, Neigey, upstairs, and my trio in the basement.
Photobucket "what happened? did something happen or can I just go back to my hay?"

User is Offline FluffyBunny
Boulder, Colorado
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10/15/2010 10:31 AM
Today, I didn't really do a bonding session (obviously), but I let the bunnies see eachother. It wasn't quite what I expected.

I brought both bunnies in their carriers for a little visit to the living room. I let Ms. Rabbit hop around outside of her carrier while Mr. Bunny stayed inside of his carrier. Ms. Rabbit happily hopped around and sniffed the couch, which smelled a little like Mr. Bunny. After a minute, she noticed that Mr. Bunny was there too. She hopped over to his carrier and tried to sniff his nose. Mr. Bunny backed away from her. She got a little upset that he didn't want to sniff her back, and she hopped back into her carrier.

After that, I let Mr. Bunny out of his carrier while Ms. Rabbit stayed inside of her carrier. He immediately searched for Ms. Rabbit. He very carefully crept over to her carrier. When she started biting at the bars and trying to sniff him, he jumped back. He got a little scared, and the bunnies had a staring contest for about 5 minutes. Ms. Rabbit got tired of it, and she comfortably did a half-flop in her carrier. That scared Mr. Bunny again, and he hopped in my lap (after giving me the "Human...please help me, I'm scared" look he always gives me when the vet is holding him) and hopped into my lap. He refused to get out of my lap after that. He stared at Ms. Rabbit with his eyes wide for a few more minutes before I put him back in his carrier and took the bunnies back to their rooms.

After the bunnies got back to their rooms, Mr. Bunny had a change of heart. He realized that maybe, just maybe, he wanted to see Ms. Rabbit. He decided to have a war with my foot while I tried to get in her room.

It seems that even though Ms. Rabbit is the one who got hurt in their fight, Mr. Bunny seems to be more afraid of her than she is of him. If that's really the case, I'm actually grateful that it turned out that way; I know for a fact that Mr. Bunny is a very loving, forgiving rabbit. He'd probably lose his old baggage if they had 2 or 3 good sessions.
"Time flies when you have a bun!" | "Ask not what your bunny can do for you, but what you can do for your bunny."
Here comes Mr. Bunny-tail, hoppin' down the rabby trail.
Hippity hoppity, binkitty floppity, Bunbun's on his way.
Then hops down Ms. Rabbit-girl, hoppin' down the bunny
trail. Hippity hoppity, binkitty floppity, Rabby's on her way.


User is Offline FluffyBunny
Boulder, Colorado
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11/03/2010 9:29 AM

Over the last few weeks, I've frequently been doing sessions where the bunnies can sniff eachother through cage bars. The bunnies seem to be very relaxed when there's bars between them.

A few days ago, I tried something a little different. I draped Ms. Rabbit's butt around Mr. Bunny while firmly holding both bunnies around their chests. I've now done three sessions like that. Mr. Bunny seems to be very relaxed (he even toothpurrs) when he's the one on the ground, but he gets slightly scared when he's the one being held. Ms. Rabbit is very nervous both ways, but she relaxes more when she's the one being held.

I'm going to do a "real" bonding session in the big bucket in about 10 minutes. Wish me luck!

"Time flies when you have a bun!" | "Ask not what your bunny can do for you, but what you can do for your bunny."
Here comes Mr. Bunny-tail, hoppin' down the rabby trail.
Hippity hoppity, binkitty floppity, Bunbun's on his way.
Then hops down Ms. Rabbit-girl, hoppin' down the bunny
trail. Hippity hoppity, binkitty floppity, Rabby's on her way.


User is Offline Karla
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11/03/2010 9:47 AM
Good luck!

Remember pictures!

User is Offline FluffyBunny
Boulder, Colorado
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11/05/2010 10:21 AM

Sorry about not updating!

Attempt #2 bonding session #1 went fairly well. Miraculously, there was no fighting! I kept it very short - it was no longer than 5 minutes. I put both bunnies in the blue bucket. Both bunnies were very scared, and all they could do was stare at eachother. After a few minutes, both of them started to relax. I decided to seperate them then.

 

Attempt #2 bonding session #2 went very well. It was probably about 10-15 minutes long. They were both in the blue bucket again.

For a first few minutes, they had a staring contest like the day before:

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After a  few minutes, I decided to spice things up by shaking the bucket. Mr. Bunny laid his head on Ms. Rabbit's back. Mr. Bunny seemed to enjoy it a lot; he closed his eyes and even toothpurred a little. Ms. Rabbit was a little scared at first, but eventually, she relaxed a bit too:

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After a minute or two of that, Mr. Bunny got off Ms. Rabbit. The bunnies had another staring contest, but this time, Mr. Bunny was very relaxed:

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Well, that was quite short-lived. Mr. Bunny started going crazy and trying to climb out of the bucket. He also tried to sniff Ms. Rabbit's belly (which she hates, especially after getting a bad bite there in their fight), which made her terribly scared. I had to hold him still and keep both bunnies calm:

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After another couple of minutes, the bunnies relaxed again. They slowly moved their noses closer and closer until they got to this position:

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Ms. Rabbit was still keeping an eye on Mr. Bunny, but both bunnies were relatively relaxed at this point. I decided to end the session then, on a good note.

 

I'm incredibly happy that there hasn't been any fighting! One of my fears after their fight was that they'd still have that old baggage, and would continue to be aggresive. It seems that they're just a little wary of eachother, which I'm sure they'll work through eventually (Mr. Bunny already partially has). Hopefully I'm not jynxing myself by saying all that!

 

"Time flies when you have a bun!" | "Ask not what your bunny can do for you, but what you can do for your bunny."
Here comes Mr. Bunny-tail, hoppin' down the rabby trail.
Hippity hoppity, binkitty floppity, Bunbun's on his way.
Then hops down Ms. Rabbit-girl, hoppin' down the bunny
trail. Hippity hoppity, binkitty floppity, Rabby's on her way.


User is Offline Petzy
Northern AB Canada
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11/05/2010 10:24 AM
That's great that they snuggled like that in the bucket session. Keep in mind however, that fighting is most likely to happen in larger space so when you get to that watch closely again.
Photobucket "what happened? did something happen or can I just go back to my hay?"

User is Offline FluffyBunny
Boulder, Colorado
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11/05/2010 10:28 AM
I don't plan to stop with the bucket this time for at least 5 or 6 more sessions. After that, I'm thinking that I might convince my parents to let me use the bathtub for a session or two before I try with the hallway again. I'm definitely going to take it very slowly this time around.
"Time flies when you have a bun!" | "Ask not what your bunny can do for you, but what you can do for your bunny."
Here comes Mr. Bunny-tail, hoppin' down the rabby trail.
Hippity hoppity, binkitty floppity, Bunbun's on his way.
Then hops down Ms. Rabbit-girl, hoppin' down the bunny
trail. Hippity hoppity, binkitty floppity, Rabby's on her way.


User is Offline FluffyBunny
Boulder, Colorado
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11/05/2010 3:14 PM

Attempt #2 session #3 went fantastic!  The session was about 15 minutes long, and they were in the blue bucket, as usual.

When I first put them together, they had their usual staring contest:

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I shook the bucket a little. That made the bunnies comfortably snuggle with eachother:

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They stayed like that for a few minutes. After that, Mr. Bunny got a little scared, so he hopped away from Ms. Rabbit:

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I shook the bucket again. That made the bunnies snuggle with their noses together:

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They both toothpurred and stayed like that for a few minutes. I decided to try "the raisin trick". I smeared gooey raisins all over Ms. Rabbit's head and encouraged Mr. Bunny to groom it off. He didn't want to do it at first, but after a few seconds, he gave in and licked the raisin off Ms. Rabbit's head and ears:

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Obviously, Ms. Rabbit loved that! She put her head down and toothpurred very loudly. After Mr. Bunny licked off all of the raisin, he realized that maybe he actually liked grooming Ms. Rabbit. He gave her face, nose and ears a very thorough cleaning before laying his head next to hers. After a few minutes, I smeared some more raisin on her face, which he licked off eagerly. Both bunnies were very happy, so I decided to end the session.

Both rabbits were very happy after the session. Ms. Rabbit even did a few binkies! Both bunnies also seemed to be trying to find eachother again after the session. They seemed a little disappointed once it was time to seperate them.

 

"Time flies when you have a bun!" | "Ask not what your bunny can do for you, but what you can do for your bunny."
Here comes Mr. Bunny-tail, hoppin' down the rabby trail.
Hippity hoppity, binkitty floppity, Bunbun's on his way.
Then hops down Ms. Rabbit-girl, hoppin' down the bunny
trail. Hippity hoppity, binkitty floppity, Rabby's on her way.


User is Offline FluffyBunny
Boulder, Colorado
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11/06/2010 8:17 AM

Attempt #2 bonding session #4 (which I did yesterday evening)...

Well, I think these pictures describe it pretty well:

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"Time flies when you have a bun!" | "Ask not what your bunny can do for you, but what you can do for your bunny."
Here comes Mr. Bunny-tail, hoppin' down the rabby trail.
Hippity hoppity, binkitty floppity, Bunbun's on his way.
Then hops down Ms. Rabbit-girl, hoppin' down the bunny
trail. Hippity hoppity, binkitty floppity, Rabby's on her way.


User is Offline FluffyBunny
Boulder, Colorado
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11/07/2010 2:06 PM

Attempt #2 bonding session #5 (done in the afternoon of 11/6) went great! There isn't really all that much to say about it. It was pretty much 15 minutes of snuggling and licking. I took a really cute video of Mr. Bunny licking Ms. Rabbit, which I'll edit in here later.

 

Attempt #2 bonding session #6 (done earlier today) went amazingly well! It was a very long session with about 15 minutes spent in the bucket and then about 25-30 minutes on a semi-neutral (to Mr. Bunny, at least) sofa. Unfortunately, I don't have any pictures of this session, since my phone was out of battery power.

As usual, after I put the bunnies in the bucket and shook it a little, they snuggled comfortably. I smeared some raisin on Ms. Rabbit's head, and she got licks from Mr. Bunny.

I was getting a little bored (as were the bunnies), so I decided to try something new. I put both bunnies on a semi-neutral sofa. At first, I kept them seperate while snuggling with them. Mr. Bunny layed down and toothpurred. Ms. Rabbit was initially very scared, but she relaxed after seeing that Mr. Bunny wasn't a threat.

After a few minutes, I smeared raisin all over Ms. Rabbit's head. I kept doing that until Mr. Bunny had licked her for about 1 minute total. After that, Ms. Rabbit did something that really surprised me - she took a  long look at Mr. Bunny, and then hopped over and licked him!

She licked him for about 30 seconds straight. I hadn't even smeared all that much raisin on his head! After she licked him, he seemed entirely comfortable around her - he didn't even care when she sniffed his butt! After that, I decided to end the session on a good note.

 

Do you think that it would be alright to start bonding them in a larger space yet?

"Time flies when you have a bun!" | "Ask not what your bunny can do for you, but what you can do for your bunny."
Here comes Mr. Bunny-tail, hoppin' down the rabby trail.
Hippity hoppity, binkitty floppity, Bunbun's on his way.
Then hops down Ms. Rabbit-girl, hoppin' down the bunny
trail. Hippity hoppity, binkitty floppity, Rabby's on her way.

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