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    • Sonn
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         Keep in mind I am going on 48 hours with no sleep so if I am truly off my rocker let me know lol. 

        I look at my local forums classifieds quite a bit because I love looking at puppies. 

        Someone in my town claims to be an excellent breeder but after this conversation either I am insane or she doesn’t have a clue what she is doing lol. 

        She breeds Australian Shepherds and her aussie got with a pit so she is giving the pups away for free and said it was unfortunate that they were part pit. Someone else asked what she had against pits. Her response was that she loved Pit Bulls it was just unfortunate since her aussie was full stock  so when he got to her it ruined her. From now on even if she breeds her with another full stock australian shepherd she will throw off half breeds (mutts). 

        So I responded informing her that even if she was bred with a pit that if she bred with another aussie next heat cycle (really hope she doesn’t after this convo lol) she will get full stock Australian Shepherd puppies not mutts.  

        She responds to me along the lines of this. Yes, they will be mutts. I have bred many dogs and know quite a few breeders. It messes up the DNA and the only kennel club that will recognize them is CKC, and that’s only because they don’t check everything out like AKC. The only way to not get a purebred female to throw off mutts after mating with another breed is to breed her many times to another purebred then the pups will eventually come out looking exactly like them. Its kinda like you breed it out of them. 

        If I bred her with another australian shepherd yeah the pups may come out looking alot like an australian shepherd. But, you really can’t always tell that much about a puppy. When you take it home it may look 100% australian shepherd but give it a year and it may start looking like whatever other breed she had bred with in the past.  

         

        again 

        Granted I know nothing about breeding I have never bred anything other than fish and even then it’s like if a female red guppy bred with a blue guppy and had yellow guppies (? lol) then if I bred her with a red guppy she would still only have yellow guppies….?

         

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      • bunnymum16
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          never heard of that.i always thought breed always depends on the dad and mom’s breed.im curious to find out if this is true or not.


        • jerseygirl
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            My instinct is to laugh. But then I doubt myself  because she seems so convinced.  Um….but as faar as I know 1 pure bred egg + 1 pure bred sperm = 1 pure bred puppy.  You can’t change DNA.  Kinda thinking this person shouldn’t be breeding dogs at all.


          • Dextervonbon
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              I always adopted my dogs from a shelter so I have no clue why it is even that important to have a pure bred dog in the first place if it is a family pet. But yah I don’t see how it would mess up the dog’s DNA lol.


            • Monkeybun
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                That is just… hilarious. You can’t change DNA by “mating” so to speak


              • Michelle&Lolli
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                  How the heck do you CHANGE genetics? Ask her if she’s God. What a whackjob. Sorry. But this makes no sense.

                  The only thing that I can think of is that perhaps AKC has specific breeding regulations such as….. they will only certify puppies as long as both parents have never been bred with other breeds. Nothing to do with genetics or anything. Like her dog is “ruined” now, not because her future puppies will be mutts no matter who she’s bred with, but because she was allowed to breed with a non-Australian Sheppard male. I don’t know much about AKC or those other organizations, but I believe they can be super strict about things – especially if you’re breeding show dogs and such.

                  I have no clue, but if she breeds her female with another australian sheppard, she’s going to get 100% australian sheppard puppies. This is why people shouldn’t be allowed to breed anything.


                • Michelle&Lolli
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                    I am so tempted to call my vet on Monday to find out about this. LOL

                    I went to the AKC website and it’s extensive to get your dog AKC registered.  Plus they do DNA tests and if your dog is found to have a non-pure breed gene, they’ll reject your AKC status.  AKC is all about lineage of breeds.  So while it’s simply NOT possible for her female to be bred to a pure aussie male and have “mutts”,  she has probably violated their breeding regulations.  So yeah, she’s SOL.  But while she obviously has no clue what she’s talking about, it really doesn’t have anything to do with the dog not having purebred puppies.  That’s just not possible. 


                  • jerseygirl
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                      Mmm… this is what I’m thinking too, that she gotten mixed up with something about bloodline paperwork etc.

                      Such a shame her breeding dog is ruined now. Perhaps she’d like to try her hand at breeding cabbits? I’m kinda curious as to what Aussie x Pit Bull pups look like though.


                    • Elrohwen
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                        That is absolutely ridiculous. I have no doubt in my mind that she’s crazy, and is wrong. The female dog’s eggs meet with the male dog’s sperm – nothing else in the female dog’s body changes, her other eggs are not effected by the breeding. All of the rest of her eggs are still all of her genetic code only and will mix with whatever genetic code the father is. A female’s eggs are created at birth – if you are a female, you already have all of the eggs you will ever have. The female dog isn’t making more eggs with the pit father’s genetic code – she still has her normal eggs with her normal genetic material in them, just like she always did.

                        This woman is an idiot. There is no biological way that she can be even close to correct. She’s also incorrect that the AKC would be able to tell anything about what other dogs she was bred with. The genetic material from the one pit is not in her body for longer than a few days – after that, and after the puppies leave her, there is no residual genetic material remaining, only her own genetic material. The AKC would never be able to test if a purebred dog had once mated with a non-purebred, because the DNA in the momma dog’s blood is exactly the same as it always was. If the AKC does have a regulation against this for some reason, there’s no way they could ever track it unless you told them.

                        When you have kids with your husband, you don’t suddenly have some of his DNA implanted in you forever.

                        It makes me really mad that somebody who breeds and should *know* this stuff is so stupid. Seriously, this is like high school biology class stuff here and clearly all of her breeder friends think the same thing.


                      • Elrohwen
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                          Also, I just went to the AKC’s website where it states that DNA testing is only used to tell parentage and keep records of dogs – they do not use it to tell breed. Which makes sense, considering the DNA tests for breed are still a new technology that doesn’t work perfectly.

                          Direct quote:
                          “Furthermore, AKC DNA Profiles cannot determine the breed of a dog.”

                          DNA testing is also only required for dogs that father (or mother) a significant number of litters, and are large contributors to the breeding population. The AKC is just trying to keep track of them genetically so they can prove parentage of other dogs. Many dogs never get DNA tested at all. Unless you were totally lying about the parents of your dog, it doesn’t seem like they would have any reason to reject your dog based on the DNA test.

                           

                          Maybe tell this woman that she should do a quick Google search before she shoots her mouth off?


                        • Beka27
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                            That is insane. Wow. I am so sad that this person is breeding anything.


                          • sibley
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                              Totally nuts.


                            • Sonn
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                                 Ok now that I have had sleep I know I am not insane LOL

                                 
                                This woman doesn’t know what she is talking about! I have a couple of show dog friends who are trying to “inform” her that she is mixed up. But she is sticking with her story. And she plans “breed out” the pit bull in her female dog.  
                                 
                                I too was tempted to call a vet in my state of confusion last night LOL


                              • LizzieKnittyBun
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                                  What is she going to do with all of those poor puppies she deems “impure?”

                                  :/


                                • Elrohwen
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                                    Off topic, but I must be out of the loop – who is the cutie Walter in your siggie? I love him!


                                  • FluffyBunny
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                                      Unfortunately, I can’t help you out, but…That lady knows nothing about how reproduction works in dogs. Just because she bred her purebred to another breed doesn’t mean that every baby in the purebred’s other litters will be a mutt. That isn’t how it works. Breeding the purebred with a mutt and having mutt babies doesn’t change her DNA – as far as I know, it’s not possible at all to change a live animal’s DNA with simple things like breeding. I have to wonder if that lady ever learned biology.

                                       


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                                        Posted By Elrohwen on 08/29/2010 09:20 AM
                                        Off topic, but I must be out of the loop – who is the cutie Walter in your siggie? I love him!

                                         

                                        Walter is Pacey’s new buddy. Marshmellow now belongs to her mom, so she got Pacey a new buddy Isn’t he adorable??


                                      • katiep
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                                          Her dog is not ruined because of mating with a different breed dog. Obviously, the pups are not purebred and cannot be AKC but any litter going forward can be. My husbands mother bred yorkies for years and we asked her. Many AKC fundamentalists frown upon frivolus breeding and don’t like having accidental litters but it does not ruin the female or the male dog. I sure hope that lady isn’t breeding herself….


                                        • Beka27
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                                            So she’s just going to have x number of litters until she deems that poor dog “pure”?! This is ludicrous. How many times is it going to take to “purify” this dog… 4, 5? She’s going to end up creating 20-30 puppies (or more) because of her nonsense.

                                            OH NO!!!! What if one of her purebred males “catches” some pitbull from the female?! (<—- sarcasm.)

                                            (An added note, if anyone wants a purebred Australian Shepard for FREE… go to KY? Lol… j/k. Please don’t deal with this person.)


                                          • Sonn
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                                              Well she blocked me and tried to report me but that didn’t work so she took down the ad and reposted it lol

                                              But yes she plans to breed many more litters


                                            • MimzMum
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                                                I feel sorry for the Aussie dam. I wish there were a way to get her away from this idiot. The woman does not know what she is doing.


                                              • Sarita
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                                                  Well, nevertheless I wish you would have suggested to her that since this dog can no longer be bred that she have her spayed. That would be the best solution instead of trying to argue with her.


                                                • Sonn
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                                                    I did suggest she have her spayed during our last conversation but she was very insistent on “Breeding it out of her”.

                                                    I didn’t expect anything less. There are very very few people in my town who spay and neuter their animals if it can bring in a profit they will breed them. I met a man not long ago that was breeding 14 year old dogs and wondering why they were coming out with defects.

                                                    It’s just the way it is here. There is a percentage that see animals as family members but not a very large percentage.

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