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    • Kyoshi
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        AAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHGGGGG!

         

        So,

        I was looking up how bunnies sleep with their eyes open, and this website pops up

        http://www.mindspring.com/~tbgray/rabbits.htm

        Ok, the title

        Why Rabbits Make lousy pets.

        Of COURSE I have to click it. I thought, surely this is spoof!  Who can hate rabbits!? 
        But guess what. Its not. Anyway, I am so furious at the moment, so I need a little help. HOW CAN I COOL DOWN?! And i want to send an email to them POLITELY explain how I and probably a good amount of you feel about these comments.

        I had to edit this so I wouldnt be violating the rules.


      • Moonlight_Wolf
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          That really is horrible the way he portrays bunnies, his were probably that way because he did not treat them right and were destructive because he did not have them spayed/neutered.

          EDIT: Sorry I did not realize that putting the link that led to his e-mail was against the rules, I also did not see that his male bunny was neutered later in life.


        • Kyoshi
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            He himself said he dosent listen to those emails anymore. I cant understand it! WhY would someone hate rabbits like that?! And he called them “High Maintinence” because they require fresh greens. Oh yeah, but Dogs arent, even though they need walking and mental stimulation. I feel bad for those poor buns.


          • Sarita
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              Well, rabbits aren’t for everyone and this person does make some good points.

              Sometimes even after doing research, rabbits may not live up to a person’s expectations. They aren’t perfect. He has not lost like 13 rabbits either. Some of the litters were born still born and they were sexed wrong by the pet store.

              This person is not a heartless person either and they tried. It’s not easy having a pet rabbit and you will notice the frustration that many of our members have if you read their posts concerning behavior and illnesses and diet. Rabbits are not easy pets to have.


            • Sarita
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                And this person did eventually have his rabbit neutered once he found an experienced vet.


              • Kyoshi
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                  Of course, but i mean, that isn’t a fair way to portray them. Bunnies are great! And I counted the still born litters as buns, but i guess they could be considered as them not being actuall live buns.


                • Sarita
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                    Well, don’t judge this guy until you have actually had a rabbit of your own and experienced the joys and frustrations for yourself.

                    As I said before, and having many years of experience, he’s not all wrong about rabbits – while his slant may be negative (and really, his writing isn’t all negative about his rabbits, he sounds like he actually cared about his rabbits), he makes some good points as well.


                  • Kyoshi
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                      I believe that mayb he should have pointed his negativity on the specific breed (thoughI am sure dwarfs could be wonderful pets) instead of rabbits in general.


                    • Barbie
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                        I havne’t gone to the website yet, but from what you posted, I understand how this could be frustrating for you to read.  However, like Sarita already said, different people have different opinions, and it just sounds like he’s had an unpleasant experience with rabbits.  Rabbits aren’t for everyone – which is why on this forum when someone says they want a bunny, we try to help them understand exactly what they’re getting into… but you can never know until you’ve experienced the joys and pains of having a bunny.  I actually think, that as long as his website doesn’t promote abuse it’s good.  People looking for a bunny will come across that site and get a difference perspective on it, which may make them re think the decision rather than jumping blindly into it.  When someone sees my pictures of my bunnies at work and asks me about them, I tell them about the good, but also about some of the struggles of having a bunny, and also about some of the care they need – so many people are surprised that they can be litter box trained and kept inside and that I have both of them fixed.  I offer to send them some links to websites and then send them to the HRS and Language of Lagos website, so that at least, if they become interested in a bun becasue of me, at least they go into it informed. 

                        Anyway, I apologize, but I don’t think this thread belongs on the forums at all.  From the forum rules:

                         

                        I.     No Witch Hunts:  Do not use BinkyBunny to recruite others to contact  a person you disagree with

                                It is not uncommon  to come across people, on the net or in person, who concern or even outrage us with a differing belief system – especially when it comes to how animals are treated.  (If there is abuse and/or neglect, please report this asap to the proper authorities.) 

                                IT IS OKAY TO ask for advice on how to handle the situation, but keep out of your forum post any identifying information that would allow people to locate the other party, either in person or online. This kind of thing can get ugly fast, and though the original  intention may have been to create positive change, it can turn into a witch hunt full of hostilities  If you want to try and change how someone treats their rabbit(s) and you think BinkyBunny.com can help, invite them to visit our site. If they then want to seek advice and suggestions, they can reach out via our forum and a respectful discussion will be welcomed.

                         

                        Maybe remove the website links and quote and rather turn this thread into a discussion on how to deal with the situation.  Maybe ask for help with drafting an email?


                      • Kyoshi
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                          He Dosent show his email on site, so I dont think this will happen. This thread was originally for people to see he article and express there point of view, NOT cause anything like a witch hunt.


                        • Barbie
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                            I can understand your feelings, and I’m not attacking you, I’m just saying that I don’t think this thread completely complies with forum rules. That’s a ruling for the forum leaders to make – I was just pointing it out. There have been threads in the past that have been started about a bad experience with a certain pet store or a particular person or website online and if I remember correctly, they were removed or the identifying information was taken down. We don’t want BB to become known as a forum that verbally bashes other sites just for having different opinions about rabbits (again, I haven’t completely read what he’s said – I’m talking in general). And actually, his email is on the site. if you click on “home” at the bottom of the bunny page, at the bottom of the homepage there’s a link that you can use to contact him via email.


                          • Kyoshi
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                              OK, I fixed this. It shouldnt be too bad. I only want the link on so that it didnt look like I might be overreacting.


                            • Karla
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                                I have just created a thread on receiving angry e-mails from breeders who disagree on my view on rabbits. So for someone on the recipient side of receiving emails from people who disagree, I have to ask you to consider if you really want to write to him. And if you do, then please do it politely and tell him of your own experiences. Please don’t be rude and tell him he is wrong – cause he is only describing his personal experience.

                                He has the right to feel how he does. I haven’t been on the website and read it, but a part of me is always happy, when someone says that bunnies don’t make good pets. I hope that it will stop a lot of people from just going out and get one if that is the common belief. People should definitely know what they are in for when they go out and adopt one.

                                But again, I haven’t read it, so I don’t know if he is advocating against neutering and so?


                              • Kyoshi
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                                  To not get in trouble i wont say anything about the article, but it just seems to be VERY negative, and he says horrible things about the rabbit species, so it makes me upset.


                                • Deleted User
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                                    I agree with Sarita. Having a bunny just isn’t everyone’s cup of tea, and there isn’t anything wrong with that. A lot of people think dogs are “man’s best friend,” but I can think of a few people that absolutely loathe them. Different strokes for different folks.

                                    As many members have said in other threads, rabbits are very different from dogs and one of the reasons people can be disappointed with them is because they expect them to behave just like dogs (which is rather strange when you think about it). If you aren’t willing to accept an animal as he is and are always expecting him to behave like something else, you’ll always be frustrated and disappointed with his behavior. Loving or hating rabbits, at least in my opinion, has everything to do with your expectations of them.

                                    Personally, I love my little bun. He is incredibly destructive, yes, and I have to watch him like a hawk when I let him out of his pen, but I recognize that his teeth are constantly growing and that he has no choice but to chew on things constantly. This might try someone else’s patience (as it obviously did for the person that wrote this article), and I can understand that. Rabbits just aren’t for him.

                                    My bunny also defecates A LOT like every other bun. His litterbox training habits are very good, however, so I’ve made peace with having to change his litterbox every day to every other day. (I’d rather change a litterbox than pick up gross, smelly dog waste, but maybe that’s just me.)

                                    As for being disappointed with a rabbit’s lack of affection/limited range of entertaining behaviors? I think my rabbit displays A LOT of interesting behaviors. The binkies, the grooming, the purring, the sprawling out when he’s comfortable… Even his aggressive behaviors I find entertaining. XD Honestly, this was the only complaint in the article that I couldn’t quite understand. :/

                                    I do, however, understand the “lack of affection” complaint. Rabbits aren’t dogs. Period. I’ve heard stories of a rabbit supposedly behaving like a dog once in a blue moon and even then in those rare cases I find it a little hard to believe. My rabbit is affectionate enough for me though. Sure, I’d love to cuddle with him, but I understand why a small prey animal like my bunny would be extremely wary of a large human like myself trying to smother him. XD He lets me pet him for long periods of time, hops into my lap and seems to enjoy relaxing by my feet, and that’s enough for me. Although I love dogs too, I honestly think dogs can be too demanding sometimes…


                                  • kralspace
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                                      I guess if we wrote it from our side, the title would be

                                      Why Most People Make Lousy House Rabbit Owners.


                                    • Kyoshi
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                                        Kralspace


                                      • Lintini
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                                          Agree with Kralspace!!


                                        • Kyoshi
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                                            OK, If I do send him an email, It’ll be like this

                                            Dear (What should I put here?)
                                            I would like to say that I am sorry for your losses, but I feel that you arent giving bunnies a fair reputation. They are an intelligent loving species and there are tons of people who would agree with me. This is NOT a hate message, I just would like you to realize that not all bunnies are destructive, and that they are not accustom to being held because they are indeed prey animals. And they, like other animals, have certain requirements. Cats and Dogs may not need fresh veggies, but a bunny doesn’t need to be walked, nor does it need a scratching post. I am going to thank you though, as many people step into the “I want a Bunny” situation lightly, and your article may be preventing bunnies being dumped at shelter, or abused an negleted.

                                            But I dont think I will. The steams blown off, and after reading Karlas thread, I think he deserves a break


                                          • Monkeybun
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                                              I wouldn’t even bother with the email. Obviously, from the first paragraph, he/she isn’t inclined to listen.

                                              Some people just aren’t cut out to be bunny slaves. Just like some aren’t cut out to be dog owners. Especially when they don’t look up the pet and research beforehand. Had he/she known that a spay/neuter would make litter training easier, lower aggression, all the health benefits, etc… they still may not have been the best bunny slaves, but who knows.

                                              I’d just leave i alone, to be honest.


                                            • bunnytowne
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                                                Right apparantly rabbits aren’t the right pet for him and he realizes that.


                                              • LoveChaCha
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                                                  I would avoid sending an email to that person.

                                                  Rabbits are DEFINITELY not for everyone. Rabbits are not dogs and cats.. hence why they are called rabbits  Require more maintenance and are more curious than cats.

                                                  There are many things that I do not agree with what this person says, but they are entitled their own opinion.


                                                • BinkyBunny
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                                                     I actually had seen that awhile back. It’s been up for a couple of years I think.  What he was expecting out of a rabbit and how he interacted shows that a rabbit wasn’t for him.  I ditto much of the what others have said.  If anything, those that want a rabbit or already have a bunny will realize that this is just one person’s opinion and he will scare away people who may be of like-mind (and they wouldn’t  want to have a rabbit either then if their expectations are similar…so all the better.)  Anyone thinking of getting a rabbit and is on the net to search for information may come across his opinion, but then there are many others around and they will have to weigh in for themselves.

                                                    I too feel it would be a waste of time to email this guy.  I am sure he has received plenty of email before as he states— “If this page offended you and you’re thinking about sending me a nasty message, don’t bother. It will be deleted without even being read (seriously). Spend more time with your bunnies, and spend less time sending e-mail to everyone whose opinions differ from yours.”

                                                    And really… I have to agree.  Let’s enjoy our bunnies, be glad that we know what we want, and be glad that he knows what he doesn’t want.  Better for the world of bunnies!


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                                                      Yes i see what everyone is saying, some of the stuff he says is true, but I personally just don’t like the way he said some stuff like it was fact rather than opinion. It is fine that HE did not like rabbits, but I don’t like the way he portrays them as bad pets and that others might see his site and think, “huh, rabbits make lousy pets, that’s interesting.”


                                                    • Kyoshi
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                                                        Yeah, but hey, If someones gonna give up on a bun that quickly, then that prevents them from getting one and feeling that way later


                                                      • MarkBun
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                                                          If you read the last paragraph, he’ll just delete it. No need to bother with it.


                                                        • Andi
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                                                            Posted By kralspace on 08/08/2010 10:33 AM
                                                            I guess if we wrote it from our side, the title would be

                                                            Why Most People Make Lousy House Rabbit Owners.

                                                            LOL….. Agreed
                                                             

                                                            I kind of like this guys page…. in the fact he is dead on. Rabbits are hard work, they are not going to do what you think they should, and in the end they train us. Rabbits are not a good pet for many people, they take work, money, time, paitence, more money and more paitence LOL (And lots of carpet stain remover)
                                                            I do however wonder how the writer of this site can complain SO MUCH about how much WORK rabbits were for so little reward (he wanted a cuddly affectionet pet) but he’s gone out and had a kid… LOL … you think those rabbits were hard work? Welcome to parenthood friend, and these ones don’t die in a couple years (because you couldn’t bother to research more into the animals health needs) and they will cost you more money, sleep, stress and they will even hate you when they get to their teens too LOL

                                                            So, spread the word… RABBITS MAKE BAD PETS … because I’d like to see less impulse rabbit buys, so our shelter can stop being so overrun with old easter presents.


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                                                              Posted By Kyoshi on 08/08/2010 08:24 AM
                                                              I believe that mayb he should have pointed his negativity on the specific breed (thoughI am sure dwarfs could be wonderful pets) instead of rabbits in general.

                                                              This has nothing to do with breed. There is no breed better than another. Rabbits aren’t for everyone. They are high-maintenance exotics and don’t satisfy many people’s expectations. Rabbits suffer from having been misportrayed as cuddly furballs when in reality they prefer not being held. What rabbits truly need few people can give them: much running space in a safe environment and an expensive diet of greens. I am thankful that there are people out there discouraging from acquiring a rabbit; that way, people will think twice before getting a bunny.

                                                              You are entitled to your believes just as the author of the website is ~

                                                               

                                                               


                                                            • Beka27
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                                                                I have read this page before, and I think we discussed it on BB a long time ago.

                                                                I’m not sure what I said about it back then, but as of today, my opinion on this guy is simply: he did what he could with the resources he had at the time. He got rabbits, he cared for them, he did his best, and then he decided that when the last one passed, he didn’t want anymore. I do respect him for at least seeing “his experiment” out rather than just dumping them off after 6 months.

                                                                Rabbits are not the right pet for everyone, they are not the right pet for most people. I think that many people who do have rabbits, don’t do a good job at caring for them (Binkybunny members excluded of course!) He was right with most things he posted altho he said it more negatively than necessary, and I would tell anyone thinking about a rabbit many of these same things. Rabbits require an entirely different lifestyle and mindset than cats and dogs, but with a lot of work, they can be integrated into the family.

                                                                Fostering a rabbit first is a wonderful way to figure out if you really want to make the commitment. Or if you don’t foster, at least start with one and wait awhile (I’d suggest a full year!) so you know FOR SURE that you do want rabbits and you have what it takes, physically, mentally, financially, to care for them properly. It is much easier to rehome one rabbit than two or three, etc…


                                                              • Kokaneeandkahlua
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                                                                  I’m not sure what I said about it back then, but as of today, my opinion on this guy is simply: he did what he could with the resources he had at the time. He got rabbits, he cared for them, he did his best, and then he decided that when the last one passed, he didn’t want anymore. I do respect him for at least seeing “his experiment” out rather than just dumping them off after 6 months.

                                                                  I think I remember that too!!! I know my inital reaction was-what a jerk!!

                                                                  But seriously…I don’t recommend rabbits. It takes a special person…My dr. noticed during my last exam a BIG scar on my chest…and asked about it (yeah looks like I got knifed lol) and I told him it was from a rabbit (for the life of me I don’t know if it was newly clipped Rupert or a shelter bun who maimed me!) and he said his sister wants a bunny-what did I think.

                                                                  I said a rabbit costs more then a dog, requires more time then a dog-and is generally as aloof as a cat…so she should really think about it Honestly I would NEVER say to someone ‘oh bunnies are awesome you should get one’ …I mean people who have them and care for them well know they are awesome but the majority of people-they find them expensive and inconveninet and not loving and friendly like they expected them to be!


                                                                • Kyoshi
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                                                                    I tend to put a whole lot of thought into everything, so my desicion on definetely getting a bunny was well thought throught. I wish he would hae done the same.


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                                                                      ok, skipped the last few posts so tell me if i’m being repeatative.
                                                                      i agree with the “general” message of his post.

                                                                      now hear me through with this, and dont kill me yet.

                                                                      he’s basically saying in a more negative term, that bunnies arn’t all their cracked up to be, mind you he’s focusing on the negative rather than adding some light into the situation.
                                                                      Did you realise the fact that he never mentioned how adorable they are? Nibbles had one surviving baby that they kept (nibblet) so OBVIOUSLY they must of had some enjoyment out of the rabbits, or she was just to cute for them to resist. he never mentions any of this because he’s only focusing on the negative!
                                                                      if he would add some light on the situation, i’m sure that the name of his post would be something more along the lines of.. “rabbits arn’t for everyone”, or “theirs always a crash that follows the cute high”

                                                                      cut him some slack though because by the sound of his post he didnt do to bad at being a rabbit owner. he did alot better than i’ve done at least.
                                                                      overall, he’s just warning people that rabbits are alot more maintance and not as cute as they appear and is trying to make people re-think getting a rabbit as a pet unless they fully understand what their like. It just adds a new perspective to the cute cuddle rabbits, it shows a side of them that you dont know untill you own one.

                                                                      IF IF AND ONLY IF he had written the post a bit nicer it would be recomendable along with bb to people who are looking to get a rabbit.

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