mocha200 
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| 05/02/2010 02:30 PM |
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i am going to start bonding again. should i start like i have never bonded them before and go back to the begining? i started a new form cuz the other one had a lot of pages. |
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Petzy
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Northern AB Canada
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| 05/02/2010 02:35 PM |
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I am still favoring the car sessions because the last one worked so well. Have a re-intro in your family's vehicle. |
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did something happen or can I just go back to my hay?" |
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mocha200
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| 05/02/2010 03:48 PM |
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we aren't going any were today though and my parents don't want to pay the gas money to just drive around  any thing else that is just as affective? |
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Petzy
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| 05/03/2010 07:56 AM |
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You can have sessions in the parked vehicle, I don't think it needs to be running and burning gas to work for Mocha and Lulu. I think they will associate the space of the vehicle with last time's ride that got them snuggling so much.
You can use a cube on top of the washer too, or the bath tub, but I thought the vehicle would be more comfortable for a longer session. |
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Petzy
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| 05/03/2010 07:56 AM |
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Great job on your signature, Mocha, your bunnies are so flashy-looking  |
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| "what happened?
did something happen or can I just go back to my hay?" |
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mocha200
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| 05/03/2010 01:58 PM |
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ok but we lent the van to my aunt that they rode in last time, would the car work? don't thank me for the signature my dad did it  his job is with computers so he new how to do it. i am not very good with that kind of stuff |
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Petzy
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| 05/03/2010 02:15 PM |
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How nice of your dad to make you this signature.
Use the car then. Any vehicle is fine! |
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| "what happened?
did something happen or can I just go back to my hay?" |
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mocha200
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| 05/03/2010 02:17 PM |
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ok what if it doesn't work?? |
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Petzy
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Northern AB Canada
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| 05/03/2010 02:26 PM |
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Then you could move them to the bathtub, inside an NIC cube, and run water into the drain as a noise stressor. The cube forces them close and the tub allows for the running water. Stay optimistic now. Try a short session inside the car. You need to be calm for them.  |
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| "what happened?
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MarkBun
Richmond, CA
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| 05/03/2010 04:20 PM |
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Another good stress device is the vacuum. Just have it running about 10 feet from where you're doing the bonding. |
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| My bonding quest with Maryann - Read about a less than easy bonding with two buns - but they did bond! |
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mocha200
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| 05/03/2010 07:43 PM |
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Day 1 (of the new start) 45 min or longer.
at first they snuggled then the sniffed around and tried to get off the seat. then mocha humped her. after awhile of trying to get off the seat, she groomed mocha, then she humped him. then groomed him, groomed him and groomed him. after awhile of grooming she stuck her head in betwean his side and the back of the seat and flopped! :o it was soooo cute! then she groomed him and tried to get off the seat the rest of the time. oh yeah i forgot to add that in the beginning of the session she kept biting his side over and over until i stopped her but she never did it again. |
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jerseygirl
Australia
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| 05/03/2010 08:51 PM |
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Mocha, you could use things like a washing trolley, an old pram or a drinks cart. Then just push it around the yard or inside the house. I think using something like this you would be better to use a high sided box for the bunnies so they can't see out too much. They'll just feel the movement. Something you can still reach into to settle them if they tussle. Also, if you do use something like this, try not to stop the movement when you do have to settle the,m. You don't want them learning that fighting will stop the movement. So you could just rattle the box as you settle them then start pushing again when all is well.
Hope this gives you some alternatives to use if you can't use a car.
Lulu nipping at Mochas side might be her asking for grooms or her reaction when he doesn't groom her. |
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Petzy
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| 05/04/2010 10:51 AM |
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I am glad you got to use the car. Stick with it now for a while because the parked car is a no-stress space that works for Lulu and Mocha. This is very good. The car is big enough to allow for different interactions and you want those as long as there are no fights. If they were to start fighting I would go with the stress bonding that Jerseygirl describes.
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mocha200
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| 05/04/2010 12:58 PM |
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i did the dryer today for about 15 min. and it seemed to work but i had to put a towel over the top cuz lulu was trying to jump out. then i put them in the tub and they did great! there was no flopping though but there was some grooming but the rest of the time she just tried to get out of the tub. one time she tried to jump over the side but it was to slippery and she slid. ( that girl is just crazy about showing off her skills ) one time she tried to climb the back of the tub ( you know how it is slanted) and she slid down almost on her stomach it was sooo cute and funny! sorry i didn't see your post before so i didn't do it in the car. there was a some nipping frome lulu on the side but i flicked water on her and she stopped and groomed him again. |
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Elrohwen
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| 05/04/2010 01:05 PM |
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Sounds like they're doing pretty good! Maybe all they needed was to go back a few steps in bonding and have some positive interations. |
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Petzy
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| 05/04/2010 01:11 PM |
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That's great! That's fine -- I just posted here what I would do going by what you have told me. The bathtub is always fine since you had sessions there before with good results. Plus, flicking water on Lulu will definitely help with her nipping. Good work again. Hehe: Lulu sliding down the side of the tub, that must have been hilarious to watch! |
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| "what happened?
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mocha200
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| 05/04/2010 02:19 PM |
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it was!!! tomorrow i MIGHT be able to take them for a car ride but i am not sure yet. i read this article someone gave to TheRabbit to read and it was good! i am going to make a xpen cage for mocha tonight and going to put them side by side and switch cages every day. maybe switch the boxes? i might do a session tonight but it might be to late when i get home from getting bunny food and litter. |
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Lintini
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| 05/04/2010 11:45 PM |
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I am really happy for you that it's going so well now, and I love your new siggy - your buns are so cute! |
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Petzy
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Northern AB Canada
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| 05/05/2010 07:29 AM |
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mocha, if you can't go for an actual car ride, don't worry. Just repeat what you did yesterday (bathtub or parked car session) |
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| "what happened?
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mocha200
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| 05/06/2010 12:59 PM |
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ARG... i didn't do one yestureday. it was a busy day |
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mocha200
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| 05/07/2010 01:54 PM |
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day 3 60 min.
today i think went pretty good in the beginning there were 2 humps from mocha but the rest of the time lulu groomed him. about 50 min. into it they slept side bye side for about 5 min!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! but then when they got up mocha got humpy, so i put them in the basket walked around a little then put them back. oh btw it was in the tub. |
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Petzy
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| 05/07/2010 03:44 PM |
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sounds like a excellent session! keep it up. |
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| "what happened?
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Petzy
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| 05/07/2010 04:04 PM |
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Mocha, if you find them to be overly humpy, maybe it is time to introduce a stunt double for the sessions. Do you have a stuffed animal that you can give up for this? It would need to be infused with your rabbits' scents first though. |
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mocha200
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| 05/07/2010 05:53 PM |
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0i have a video, i just haven't uploaded it to photo bucket yet. |
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mocha200
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| 05/08/2010 06:47 PM |
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mocha200
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| 05/09/2010 12:03 PM |
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My mom and me are going to my grandmas and grandpa's today! ( the place that is two hours away) and i am bringing mocha and Lulu! if my mom stops at a store on the way is that ok? i am going to pack: two carriers, a dog crate x-pen, food/veggies. the only problem is is i only have one dog crate at night for one of them to sleep in ( cuz they can't go in the house they are going to sleep in the van, and i can't do a bonding session in the house ether. but i can do them in the car even thought it isn't moving.) were would the other one sleep? i will have to think about that. we might stay till tuesday but i am not sure. should i bring anything else? |
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Petzy
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| 05/09/2010 06:01 PM |
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Mocha, I think I am seeing your update too late. I hope you decided to bring the bunnies. I was thinking you could take some of your NIC grids and make a temporary crate out of that for the second bun. |
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mocha200
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| 05/09/2010 06:29 PM |
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we stopped at my aunts house on the way and picked up another dog crate. It went great on the way up here! they snuggled the whole way. but at one point for about 10 minutes mocha was laying ontop of her so i pushed him off cuz it didn't look like it comfortable for lulu. he never did it again after that. when we got here i set up the xpen so they could run around and stretch, then mocha started to chase her. in total he chased her 4-5 times! so i put them back in the caryer and they acted like perfect angles like they new nothing about of what just happend. so they are in there crates now. why wont he stop chasing here! i thought after that 2 and a 1/2 hour trip of snuggling and no humping that they would be fine. what should i do? |
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Petzy
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| 05/09/2010 06:44 PM |
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don't give in. you did the right thing to separate for a bit. they are still sorting out who will be the boss. Some newly bonded buns chase for a couple of months even after moving in together. My Deirdra has been bonded with Neigey for 5 months now and she chases him at times. You have to know though what kind of chasing it is. Vicious chasing means the rabbit who is chasing is looking to fight the other. That's when you need more sessions and more time. While you are at your garndparents, have some sessions in the parked car but separate them at night. Don't get too worried now, they did great today on the trip! |
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mocha200
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| 05/09/2010 06:49 PM |
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he chases her to hump her, and sotimes she will turn around and bight him.... she looses quite a bit af fur though. |
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