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BINKYBUNNY FORUMS > BEHAVIOR > Lunging, grunting, attacking, oh my!
Last Post by Sarita at 07/19/2010 06:47 AM (51 Replies)
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User is Offline Denise12
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03/13/2010 08:45 AM

 Well, since we've let Buster out of her cage since her recovery from her spay (a week ago), she's been grunting, and lunging at me (not my husband) when out of the cage and in the kitchen.  She'll even bite and hit me w/her paw! This happens also, when I put my hand in her cage to clean up poo or whatever while she's in there, and I know she doesnt like that, but now its different.  Its happening outside of the cage if i touch a towel that's on the floor or whatever!  I know the hormones take a while to subside after the spay, but really, will this stop? My little baby is a disgruntled teenager....


User is Offline Sarita
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03/13/2010 10:35 AM
Yes, it will stop eventually. Her body is whacked out right now for one thing.

User is Offline KatnipCrzy
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03/13/2010 11:15 AM

The irony of this is- that if you told anyone else this story- they would laugh and think you are joking that a rabbit can be aggressive and growl and invoke a scared/startled reaction out of you.  People think rabbits are cute, cuddly fluff balls- but the first time I heard Cotton growl I was shocked and it startled me.  Most people cannot imagine a rabbit being aggressive- and everyone usually laughs when I tell them that Cotton will grunt, growl and lunge (at other bunnies or if you drop more of her greens in the cage while she is eating already).

But she has mellowed out since pre-spay and then post-spay teenager stage- now I can easily tell her triggers- if she is looking at one of the other buns and I touch her from behind- or greens fall on her as she is already mowing on the ones already in the cage.

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User is Offline Denise12
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03/13/2010 06:55 PM
Thanks...do you think there's a reason why its only me she does this to, and not my husband?

User is Offline Beka27
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03/14/2010 07:56 AM
Are you around more often? Is he petting her the same way, approaching her the same exact way, at the same time of day? Not sure why it's just you, could be any reason.
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User is Offline Balefulregards
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03/14/2010 09:55 AM
Its true Katnip - The first time I saw and heard Coco growl and lunge, I was STUNNED! It was the attack rabbit from Holy Grail!

As to why you? I have found that Coco feels all right with fully being her baddest self with me, but is always a good girl for my husband. I do 98% of care and feeding and cleaning. He walks in twice a day and they dance around him like he is the Rabbit Savior risen from the grave. I figured it was like children, they only show you their true selves, all of it, when they know you love them unconditionally.

User is Offline wendyzski
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03/14/2010 03:44 PM

She's got the world's worst case of PMS going on - her hormone levels are dropping unevenly - so it's no wonder she's a beotch-bunny.

Maybe she associates you with annoying things like medicine or vet trips?  or maybe she just doesn't like your soap - who knows.  Bunnies are weird.

The first time I heard Pepper growl, I was shocked. Then I busted out laughing!  "Who's the fierce little bunbun!!!"  She's blowing her coat and hates to be groomed, so she whipped around and tried to bite me last night.  But she still sleeps under my bed and is now lying on the floor nibbling on a cardboard box while I'm watching TV.  She's a character, and I wouldn't have her any other way.


User is Offline Denise12
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03/15/2010 05:32 AM
I'm probably around more often, yes. She totally went after me this morning
Jumped out of her cage to pounce on me....among grunting and a little hit at me with her paw.
I gave her a raisin and said goodbye for the day. Its so hard!

User is Offline HatterBunny
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03/16/2010 08:02 AM

I just got my 1st rabbit (Hatter) and he grunts and lunges at me whenever I enter his play area. I know it is due a lot to the fact that he was in the animal shelter for almost 2 years and that he is in new surroundings, but it is very tough to think the animal you love a lot is angry with you for reasons you don't know. I am hopeing that Hatter will soon warm up to me and my husband and become the more loveable bunny I know he can be. 

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User is Offline Denise12
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03/16/2010 08:17 AM
She has not been like this ever...just recently after her surgery
It's still bad...she especially doesnt like to be picked up anymore,and she used to let me for a bit.

User is Offline Sarita
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03/16/2010 08:18 AM
Give it more time Denise. She's still recovering from her surgery.

User is Offline jerseygirl
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03/17/2010 07:16 PM
Hang in there Denise. Just respect her space and let her seek you out when she want attention from you.
Do you know, I was reading that rabbits can pick up on humans hormones too...I wonder how they would affect a recently spayed Doe?
Do keep an eye out for signs of pain. Did you get take home pain meds from your vet?
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User is Offline Denise12
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03/18/2010 06:50 AM
Thanks everyone....
The thing is her space (the kitchen) is also where I need to be for an hour a day. She doesnt like my feet for some reason and is always attacking & grunting at them. I'm going to let her out into the foyer/hallway tonight and see how that goes.
What are signs of pain? I did have pain meds I gave her for 5 days after I brought her home.

User is Offline mocha200
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03/18/2010 11:28 AM
i just got my girl spayed yesterday and i was trying to clean up some Diarrhea and she jumped out of her litter box and lunged and grunted at me. i was shocked cuz she never does that. ( btw i told the vet about the Diarrhea )
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03/19/2010 12:29 AM
Lulu has diarrhea?? or just mushy poop?

User is Offline Denise12
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03/19/2010 05:57 AM
So I spoke to the vet last night and she said to give it time...she's very hormonal right now AND she said the cage we have for her has brought about bad behavior and is probably one of the worst cages to get--the front door opening is right by their blind spot and scares them. So she suggested we keep her in a pen all the time, not a cage. I started it right after she called! I set it up in the living room, but she still was trying to get out of it and I've never seen her jump so high...she almost hit the top of it. Its the 8 sided one that we got at Petco. So i had her in their all night...I went in there in the morning and she still attacked my arm when I put it in there. Then I set it up in the kitchen, and i'll have her in there all day when we're not home/at night. We'll let her out to run in the kitchen/hallway when we're home. We do have to get rid of our kitchen table to who knows where in our 1br apt. We are getting a house in the next few months so this will be easier, but all in all she said we'll have a happier bun if we keep her in a pen and not the cage. SHe said if you can fit the cage in your car, its too small for them. I'm giving it time and doing all I can to make her happy.

User is Offline Beka27
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03/20/2010 02:19 PM
That is generally a good comparison. We suggest no smaller than 2x4 feet, and even that is small for a bun who is caged the majority of the day. She will be happier with more space.
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User is Offline Sarita
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03/20/2010 02:52 PM
Your vet really knows rabbits, so glad you went to him/her for advice. The think that I love about pens is that you can maneuver your way around bunny more than you can in a cage.

User is Offline Denise12
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03/20/2010 05:07 PM
You guys this has been an amazing transformation beginning just ONE DAY after being out of the cage and in the pen instead! She stopped attacking/grunting at me immediatley the next night. I can't believe it!! Right now, we have her out at my parents' for the weekend and she's set up in the pen there (We're here too) I can't believe how quickly she went back to her old self. I am amazed and so happy. We had to rearrange ALOT of furniture in order to do this, and our living room is a mess, but its well worth it for now

User is Offline jerseygirl
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03/21/2010 12:05 AM

That's great! Really good call by your vet about what might have been the issue. It makes total sense too, her being a wary post-spay bunny and your hand blocking the only exit of the cage. Most prey animals will take flight option, but when they can't - it's fight I guess.

I'm currently reading a book about behaviours and it's really interesting. It help me remember their perspective and being more aware of behaviours/ interaction with them.   Also, once you understand the behaviour toward you, you're less likely to take it personally.

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User is Offline Sadie
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03/21/2010 10:46 AM
I have never fixed a rabbit (on my first bunny right now,) but I've gotten plenty of dogs/cats fixed and it always seems like there is a hormone surge directly after the surgery. I guess the same is true for rabbits?

Just curious, what kind of cage do you have? I can't quite picture where a door would have to be in a bunny's blind spot ...

User is Offline jerseygirl
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03/21/2010 06:04 PM
Sadie, is that true of the female pets you've had fixed also? Really interesting. I have read this in relation to Bucks, that just the manipulation to remove the testes can cause a hormone surge. I don't know if something similar can happen with Does. I don't know how if all works (lol) one hormone balances out the other? Either way, it's probably "whacked out" as Sarita says, their systems trying to even out.
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User is Offline Denise12
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03/22/2010 07:38 AM
the cage I had was the standard "Rabbit Kit" cage that you get at pet stores and comes w/a water bottle, food, treats, etc.
Its a front/side door and not a top opening that they say is better. The blind spot is directly in front of their eyes I think. They can things better when coming from the top of their head not the back or front.
We took her away this weekend and she did great.

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03/22/2010 01:56 PM
Posted By Balefulregards on 03/14/2010 10:55 AM

As to why you? I have found that Coco feels all right with fully being her baddest self with me, but is always a good girl for my husband. I do 98% of care and feeding and cleaning. He walks in twice a day and they dance around him like he is the Rabbit Savior risen from the grave. I figured it was like children, they only show you their true selves, all of it, when they know you love them unconditionally.

When Jolene wasn't feeling well last week, she lunged at my bf' s hand a few times. This was unusual not only because she's very mellow, but also because typically the household dynamic is exactly what you describe. I do all the cleaning, brushing and feeding of my rabbit, yet she follows the bf around constantly! Sometimes she'll follow him around obsessively for the whole day. It won't matter what she's in the middle of--relaxing, eating, being pet by ME--she'll abruptly stop whatever she was doing and go hopping after him. Talk about ingratitude. 

I console myself with the knowledge that she's nipped him twice and me only once.


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03/22/2010 02:45 PM
Posted By Denise12 on 03/22/2010 08:38 AM
the cage I had was the standard "Rabbit Kit" cage that you get at pet stores and comes w/a water bottle, food, treats, etc.
Its a front/side door and not a top opening that they say is better. The blind spot is directly in front of their eyes I think. They can things better when coming from the top of their head not the back or front.
We took her away this weekend and she did great.

 

I personally don't see the top opening cages as better, as the buns can't just hop out like they can in the front opening ones. Scares them more in my opinion, as people have to pick them up to take them out. Monkey is fine with her front door.


User is Offline Elrohwen
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03/22/2010 02:51 PM

I agree with MB - I much prefer the side opening cages. Mine has both side and top doors and I've never used the top door. They can easily see your hand coming from the side as long as they're not facing you straight on. If your hand approaches the side of the bunny they can see you just fine. Even directly in front of their face, they can see at a certain distance. If you approach from a foot or two away, they will see your hand - they'll just lose the visual as it gets closer which can startle them.

It's still awesome though that a cage change was enough to change her behavior. Maybe she was just getting too territorial with the old space and switching things up has helped her relax.

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User is Offline Denise12
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03/22/2010 05:55 PM
Yeah...i'm not sure it was the side door that was the issue. It was probably the confinement/small space. It seriously was amazing that the behavior changed overnight!!! She's still good!!!!!

User is Offline Denise12
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03/25/2010 07:07 AM
Ok...she's back at it again!!! When i do anything near her she's grunting, hitting and attacking me again
Not AS bad as last week, but pretty much anytime I put food in her pen or touch anything in the kitchen. Hope this ends soon

User is Offline jerseygirl
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03/25/2010 03:54 PM
I wonder if you should lightly push her head down when she acts this way? You only do it very briefly, but it shows she can't be dominant over you. Not sure if this is right thing for her at the moment but probably won't hurt to try. I was just thinking you don't want her developing habit of the attacking as a dominant behaviour. Maybe it might have started as a defensive thing but now she's using it?
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User is Offline Denise12
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03/26/2010 01:44 PM
i feel terrible...but i will try. i tried stomping and saying no too....thanks!
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