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02/11/2010 02:58 AM

 

I was reading in my computer chair. There was a thrashing in his pen. At first I thought he was barreling around, but the length of it attracted my attention and he was writhing on his side spastically as before. There's no doubt in my mind that it was a seizure, if there had been before. He was near the pen gate while it was going on, I grabbed a blanket, wrapped his suddenly limp body - i thought he had died - in it and brought him to my chest. I was standing up, stroking his head while he wheezed rapidly watching his nose twitch up and down. The seizure had lasted about 10 seconds before I dropped the blanket over him and he lay still.  I just stroked his forehead over and over while he panted or wheezed audibly until at last he stretched his head to look around in my arms.  I took a chance that he was recovered and set him back in his pen. He hopped around and hopped into his bed tunnel and lie down but seemed restless, he got up and hopped around, he repeated this  a few times unable to keep still until now at last he is resting quietly in his bed tunnel and maybe sleeping.  Thanks for being there...

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02/11/2010 03:24 AM
Oh no! I am so sorry this has happened! Can you take him to the vet in a few hours? What are your plans? I'm sorry I'm pretty new to anything like that so my only advice would be get to a vet when you can and keep him comfy and calm till you can. Do you think he hurt himself or is this something that has happened before? {{{{{{vibes}}}}}} I'll be here for awhile longer if you need to talk. *hug*
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02/11/2010 04:19 AM
lashkay, what a frightening experience. He needs to see a vet right away. By now it's probably morning where you are, so i would call my vet and bring him in first thing. If you aren't sure where to take him and it's still early you can go online to your yellow pages to find emergency vets and "exotics" vets in your phone book. Or, even better, go to www.rabbit.org, the House Rabbit Society, and do a vet finder search for ones that specialize in your area.
I think this is serious. He needs immediate attention.
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02/11/2010 04:42 AM
At this time, there nothing you can do better then go to a Vet and have him checked ASAP, ill pray for yours, since mine had to be put down because of seizures. But i know and hope yours will be different, yours is a strong little man ^^, good luck!
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02/11/2010 08:04 AM

Definitely sounds like Buddie needs to see a vet- if he has another episode before you are able to get him into the vet ASAP- if you have the ability to video record it-  I would do so- so the vet can SEE the behavior exactly.  It would be helpful but not necessary.

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02/11/2010 08:56 AM

 It definitely sounds like a seizure. I'm so sorry, they can be very scary. I had a rabbit with suspected neurological problems that would have seizures. He had to be rushed to the Emergency Vet one night while having a grand mal seizure he wouldn't come out of. That night he passed away, he didn't get to even have his first birthday. So I agree with everyone else that he needs to see a vet. The mistake I made with my rabbit was not keeping records of when he had his seizures, how long they lasted, and any triggers that may have happened that day. This is all important information for the vet. Also, to do thorough testing to rule out parasites or chemical imbalance that may be causing them.

Sending healing vibes to Buddie. 

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02/11/2010 08:59 AM
I'm so sorry! One of the bunnies at the rescue has a seizure disorder. He was diagnosed 5 years ago and is doing very well! He's on medication to control it, and still has some occasionally, but it is possible to live with it. Good luck with him!
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02/11/2010 03:58 PM
I didn't have a chance to respond this morning but I did alert the other forum leaders to come offer some guidance. I'm really sorry he had another seizure. What did you end up doing today, did you take him in? What did the vet say? I am unsure if there are meds he can be on or tests that should be done... but a vet would be able to direct you on the best route to take.
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02/11/2010 04:11 PM
Oh the poor baby An poor you, for having to worry about him! I hope a vet can give some insight as to whats going on.. and I hope its something that can be taken care of.

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02/11/2010 05:01 PM
I'm just going to add some healing vibes here...what a scary experience to have to go through, for both of you!
Please be okay little bun! ((((((((((((((((((((((lashkay & Buddie))))))))))))))))))
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02/11/2010 05:13 PM

I feel your pain. Unfortunately, my only ONE experience with a bunny, Mrs. Boo, who had a seizure but when it was over, she stiffened up and passed away.  It was devastating.  I hope and pray that your Buddie improves with no more of those awfully terrorifying seizures. I am curious to hear what your vet has to say.

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02/11/2010 07:39 PM
{{{Kay & Buddy}}} Please update soon.

Before his neuter you mentioned your vet thought it was caused by a parasite didn't you? Is he on a med for this now? Did the vet have thoughts on the lionheads being prone to seizures ?
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02/11/2010 09:01 PM

I am so sorry to hear this happened to him again.   OH gosh.   Keep us updated.  

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02/12/2010 08:20 PM
I'm sorry for my delay. I've been so scared and rattled and generally discombobulated by what happened and I've been trying to rest quietly and heal. Thank you, everyone for your good wishes, healing vibes, moral support, and concern. Buddie is his regular self, being a little trouper, eating his veggies, fruit, pellets and some hay and currying a lot of petting. I'm hanging in there with him. I hope I'll be able to update medical-wise shortly. Thanks so much, bunny hugs to you and your bunnies!
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02/12/2010 08:47 PM
Monkey says raisins are in the mail, but im not sure if you should trust her. She doesn't know where the mail box is... Best wishes anyway!
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02/12/2010 10:04 PM
Thanks for the raisins - in advance LOL, Monkeybun. I just now got a chance to talk to our vet. She of course wants to know if it happens again and how soon after the last one and if their duration is longer. She said that's what to watch for in gauging the benefits of using a de-wormer to treat any migratory parasite that could be striking the brain at random vs. the risk of the de-wormer or anti-convulsant medication causing havoc with the liver. The anti-convulsant medication would be phenobarbitol or kepra. Testing for the parasite may produce partially positive results which don't really determine whether giving the anti-convulsant medication is worth the risk of liver havoc.

*I'm so sorry! One of the bunnies at the rescue has a seizure disorder. He was diagnosed 5 years ago and is doing very well! He's on medication to control it, and still has some occasionally, but it is possible to live with it. Good luck with him!

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Elrohwen, do you know the name of the medication? I related your posting to our vet, and she wanted to know the medication you were referring to. And of course, I would like to know the name of it too. Thanks!

All of you who have related experience with seizures in rabbits, thank you for writing in and sharing your experiences. I pray for you who have seen your bunnies gone over the Rainbow Bridge because of them. I know how agonizing it is to lose somebunny you love.

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02/13/2010 09:36 AM
lashkay,
You might want to email Elrohwen in the message center so she'll be sure to see your question. I'm sure she'll stop back again, but in case you need the answer sooner. Just click her name above her avatar.
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02/13/2010 10:21 AM

>> I pray for you who have seen your bunnies gone over the Rainbow Bridge because of them. I know how agonizing it is to lose somebunny you love.

         lashkay, thank you for these kind words. On a personal level, they did help.  I'm the one who wrote earlier that the outcome with my precious little girl was she just seized and passed immediately.  It  was agonizing....... Just hope she's with her mate,  L.G. now.

  Sending positive vibes...and of course a blueberry or two to your Buddie.

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02/13/2010 11:17 AM
I will email the owner of the rescue and ask her what meds her little bun is on.
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02/13/2010 01:53 PM
Alright, I talked to the rescue owner and she said her bun is on phenobarbital. There are definitely side effects, but your vet seems to be well aware of them.

Good luck getting a diagnosis. The rescue owner has volunteered to talk with you over the phone or email if you want more info on living with a bun who has a seizure disorder, so let me know if you would like her information.
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02/13/2010 11:56 PM

I was reading last night about that med. Sometimes given (small doses) for "epilepsy" in rabbits. It's a barbiturate (anti-convulsant and part sedative).

Lashkay, you said Buddies blood panel pre neuter was all fine. Was E.C. tested for? Often the blood test for this can be inconclusive and often there's 2 test done 2 weeks apart. E.C. is one of the top causes for seizures and it's also a parasite that 80% of rabbits can test positive as having been exposed to it. It's commonly treat with Panacur (fenbendazole) and ponazuril has been successful too.

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02/14/2010 12:01 AM
Elrohwen, Thanks most kindly for the information, that is one of the medications my vet mentioned, she also mentioned kepra, which may be a newer medication? I am most grateful and happy for the information your referring to, so kind of you to ask the volunteer if she would be willing to discuss this, can you please give me the volunteer's contact info? Thanks loads again.

bunny_psychotic, I am sure your precious little bun is with her mate L.G. and they are hopping happily in the big carrot patch with other happy little bunnies in their prime who have passed over the Rainbow bridge. Maybe if you feel a tickle, it's your bunnies letting you know they'll be waiting to zip over to you someday in the very distant future when you get to that Promised Land and give you bunny licks.

Thanks, Jerseygirl for mentioning the parasite. Hopefully, I'll be taking him in for testing for it soon, which in and of itself poses no threat.
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02/14/2010 12:08 AM
Sorry, I was adding to my post while you posted. Sorry for any confusion! How is Buddy? How had he been prior to this last seizure?
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02/14/2010 12:17 AM

Thank you, Jerseygirl! May I ask you where you read that info about phenobarbitol? No, E. C. hasn't been tested for as yet. As soon as I can handle the fee, I'll hopefully bring him in for the testing. I will inquire of our vet if she will do another test two weeks after the first, that's helpful to know thank you. Yes, his blood panel was all normal. I will keep you updated, in the meantime thanks for this new info.

Thanks RabbitPam, Elrohwen very kindly got back to me, but I will keep your info in mind if I need to contact her sooner.

Thanks Lintini, for offering to talk. I was so upset, I just signed off my pc and went to bed after he was back resting or sleeping in his bed tunnel, but I appreciate your being there for me.

Everyone who has written in for me, and you who have checked in without writing, thanks so much! Your concern and kind words are of immense comfort. I wish the best of health for you and your buns.
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02/14/2010 01:35 AM
Prior to this last seizure and after the one in early Dec., he was his regular self, eating the veggies, hay, pellets, and fruit treats I give him, perky, hopping around, inquisitive (he likes to hop behind the tunnels and look up at the TV stand that's behind his pen. Probably wishes he could munch on it. He also of course spends a lot of time in and hopping through, his BB mini-haven, and sitting and laying up on the roof of that. Except for those seizures he seems to be in the peak of good health, using his litterbox and pooping normally (knock on wood). Thanks for your concern, jerseygirl.
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02/14/2010 04:48 AM

Watching seizures is very hard, i know it, i wish the best to you both!


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02/14/2010 06:51 AM
Yes, it is, Walder, but on the positive side, Kathy kindly wrote in to tell me that her son, who has grand mal seizures, said to her that he doesn't experience any pain and isn't aware when they're happening and doesn't remember having them after they're over. I pray the same is true for rabbits. That makes it a little easier for me.
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02/14/2010 06:52 AM
Thanks for your good wishes, Walder! The best to you and your bun(s)
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02/14/2010 06:58 AM

Thank you so much, Elrohwen, I got your message. EC hasn't been ruled out, though, by my vet ( is that what you wrote?), it's one of the things she thinks may be the cause. Thanks for the info about the other medication, I will ask our vet. I'm hoping the test for EC won't be inconclusive.
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02/14/2010 08:13 AM
Lashkay, yep, the rescue owner said that EC can be a cause of seizures, in which case the phenobartibal wouldn't be the best treatment. Hopefully your vet determines it's not EC (which I believe isn't treatable, but can be managed with meds). If it is epilepsy (or a similar disorder; not sure if rabbits can have true epilepsy or not) then the phenobarbital might be the best treatment option.

Also, not sure what the use of the other medication she mentioned is, but I assume it would be to treat EC. In the case of EC, I assume it would be better to start treating even if the diagnosis wasn't confirmed yet, just to get a head start on it. If it is EC, I've read a very good description (by another CT rabbit rescuer) about how to live with and manage a rabbit with EC. I will find it and send it if you find that EC is the cause.
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