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    • Kafrn
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        Hi everyone! Sorry I havent been on herre for about 2 weeks, have been having a really rough time at work. does anyone mind if I vent here? Please?

         

        One of my daily jobs at work is to organise the jobs for all the boys that work for the company. I get along great with all of them. Except for one. Phil. Hes a troublemaker. If I give him 5 jobs, he complains to the boss that i dont give him enough work, and then 5 minutes later will actually come to me and tell me I am giving him too many jobs a day. I couldnt work this out for months, my boss telling me to give him more work and then the next day he comes and tells me privately that he couldnt get to more than 3 of them……. It was getting me in strife, and he was getting half the day off every day!

        So when our boss Scott found this out, he put tracking devices on all our vans. you may have heard a gotya call with me and Luke that was on the radio, that was just mucking around. Phil is furious that he is being tracked because now he has to do a whole days work. We have even had a customer come to us and tell us that he parked his van outside her house for an hour but never got out of the car to come in! I had to reschedule it for him.  So it looked like he was working there to us, but he was really snoozing or whatever in his car.

         

        Anyways, these last 2 weeks he has taken to shifting the blame to me. if he does something wrong, he twists it to make it “Katharines fault”

        This time last week for example. Phil called me in the office and abused the hell out of me because Scott had given him a job an hour away and he didnt want to drive there. he took it all out on me. I hadnt even given him the job! Scott had!  Since then he has gone completely out of his way to get me in trouble. he has been calling Scott 4 or 5 times a day to complain about me. He even makes up fake addresses for me to follow up, which takes hours out of my day… and the place doesnt even exist. For example. He will say that there is a place at 154 spring road hallet cove, that I havent sent him to for over a year… and scott yells at me about it, but the place doesnt exist. there isnt even a ‘springs road’ in hallet cove! But Scott believes him because Phil has him twisted around his little finger.

        2 days ago I rang phil first thing in the morning and told him to meet Scott at 1:30 for a job. Scott rang me at 2:30 and asked why Phil wasnt there?! I looked him up on the tracking system and he had been at the pub for an hour. Scott called him and asked him what he was doing at the pub, and Phil said that he had finished all his work for the day and that I had never even told him to meet scott at 1:30. So scott called me back and yelled at me. It wasnt even true. I had called Phil that morning and given him his schedule.

         

         

        Every morning when I walk into the office, Phil is standing there with the boss, smiling because he has manipulated my boss into thinking that one of his mistakes is my fault.  right now, Scott just called me and had a go at me because Phil didnt have a map for one of his jobs. I know there was a map, I personally gave it to him this morning, but now it has gone missing and it must be the offices fault.

        So the other day I  had a big talk with Scott about whats going on. He understood completely, and was so cross about everything thatwas happening. He was so mad he said he was going to sack him. I said no dont sack him, I just wanted to make you aware of whats happening….I cant spend half my day looking for jobs that dont exist…… . So he went off to have a good strict word with Phil.

         

        Do you know what the outcome was? Phil got a pay rise.    Scott actually came back to me and said he had sorted out the problem and now that Phil is getting an extra $45 a day, everything will be fine.  Apparently Phil gave Scott a sob story about how hard all his jobs are,  and Scott said that a little extra money a day for him would encourage him to work harder and do more jobs.

        I am stunned.     I cant do this anymore!  I feel like putting mty feet up on the desk and telling scott that I cant work well at the moment, I need a pay rise for encouragement!

        But right now, I have a list of things on the other side of the desk that Phil isnt happy with, and now I have to wait for Scott to come into the office and have a go at me about them.     One of them is another fake address. I have already looked it up.

         

         

        I feel like walking out. I really do. But I could never do that to anybody, I have a lot to finish today, and Im so sorry for blabbing on, but I just wanted to share this with someone.  Sorry this is so long. Im just so frustrated with this.  Sorry

         


      • Monkeybun
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          Good grief. Shoulda just let Scott fire him, if he isn’t doing the job he’s paid for, well… its his own damn fault. Heck, show the list of addresses that Phil gives you that are fake to Scott, and show him that they aren’t real. Phil doesn’t deserve a job if he’s doing all he can to not do it!


        • rosalie68
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            all i can say is WOW!! what a jerk!! i can’t believe he got a raise after all that crap. thats how new management started to treat me at my old job. i was pregnant and went on maternity leave early bc of it. even though i couldnt afford it, i decided not to go back. it was too stressful. i cant stand it when ppl go out of there way to do things like that. and all the lies omg! he really doesnt deserve to have that job and im so sorry u have to deal with ppl like that. its so not fair! i hope karma comes and bites both of them in the butt.


          • jerseygirl
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              His true colours will come out. Hang in there. Don’t do anything to sabotage your own credibility even though it would be REALLY tempting!!
              Do the other guys know about the pay rise? Can’t imagine that’d go over well.
              Honestly, if your boss is willing to be taken for a ride by this guy, that’s his own fault. When he comes to rant at you I would be really firm. Set it straight, tell him you’ve enlightened him to where the real issue is (Phil) and that he assured you it was sorted. Tell him it’s wasting your time and energy along with his.

              ok…easier said then done.     I would want my standard reply to the boss to be “You need to talk to Phil about that.” Curt and no nonsense.

              edit: on the “missing” map…is the tracking device in the cars GPS? If so, could he just use that if he supposedly didn’t have a map?


            • Deleted User
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                Scott is not a very good leader. he just shut Phil up with $$$ now Phil can continue on his manipulations.
                I couldn’t keep working for a boss like that if I had a choice.


              • jerseygirl
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                  True, but it’s a pain that the good worker is the one that always ends up moving on.


                • Deleted User
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                    well, you gotta think of your own sanity too. Plus how productive can you really be if you have to squander away hours loking up made-up locations.


                  • jerseygirl
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                      I know! (from experience) It’s still a pain and not fair! But such is life.


                    • Kafrn
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                        Hes just done it again. Hes made up a job. Scott just rang me and told me that if I dont get Phil to that job tomorrow then thats it. But he wont tell me what job. Its probably another pretend job. Ive reduced to a puddled mess in my office. I cant do this anymore. This is so stuffed up


                      • jerseygirl
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                          So he’s told his boss he could get to this “apparent job” because you didn’t give him directions to it? Or you gave him “too many jobs” and he “didn’t have time”?
                          Kafrn, just wait for things to calm down and have another word with Scott after hours. even if it’s from home.


                        • jerseygirl
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                            Can’t he see it’s not happening with the others and your organising of their schedules?


                          • Monkeybun
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                              Thats just crazy… how can he not see what is going on?


                            • Kafrn
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                                I think Phil just does it to make himself sound important. Like if he does something wrong, and calls scott and twists the story and makes it my fault, then he wont get in trouble. You know, sorta like, it makes his job stronger.


                              • jerseygirl
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                                  Kafrn, I think you;ve got a case building here for workplace relations. And I think you should let your boss know it! Phil is lazy and a Bully. If you feel your job is being threatened by his actions, maybe it’s time to look for support on this thru the right channels. http://www.fairwork.gov.au/Pages/employees.aspx?role=employees

                                  Edit: Of course, you continue to get support here too! Sorry, that could have been mis-read.


                                • wiseleyd
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                                    It sounds like an “old boys club” mentality at work. There always seems to be someone who has to hide their own inabilities by pointing a finger at someone else. Your boss is not managing the situation by monitoring both parties without bias. *foot flick* to them!


                                  • Kafrn
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                                      lol yeah “foot flicks” to them! lol
                                      thanks Jersey, Im going to look at that website now…


                                    • Monkeybun
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                                        Monkey sends thumps and nips to Phil. And Moose sends raisins and snuggle to you


                                      • Kafrn
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                                          jersey, the missing maps are not street maps, but maps of the customers property with appointment time and details on where all the termite activity is. If Phil doest have the map, he doesnt have to do the job, so maps going missing are a bonus for him. Plus he blames me so its a double bonus for him.

                                           

                                          thanks so much for listening, and the support everyone. Sorry to vent on you all, its just so frustrating, and so constant and so predictable. If I want to ring Phil and ask him to go do a job, he swears at me, tells me he cant do it, hangs up and calls scott immediately to bring light to something someone else has done wrong. Or makes something up.    This makes it so that the attention is taken away from him slacking off. Ive been informed that he isnt talking tto me now because I am ‘out to get him’, so now everything has to go through scott which is a shame. I pointed out that unless Phil rings me directly he cant do his job properly, but it didnt help.

                                           

                                          Everyone else is furious about the pay rise. Its a family business so everyone has a say (Me and Phil are the only 2 that arent related to someone here so thats probably why he feels the need to compete with me)   everyone else here is livid with the pay rise situation.

                                           

                                           


                                        • Kokaneeandkahlua
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                                            His true colours will come out. Hang in there. Don’t do anything to sabotage your own credibility even though it would be REALLY tempting!!
                                            Do the other guys know about the pay rise? Can’t imagine that’d go over well.

                                            DITTO and another Ditto!

                                            Kafrn, I think you;ve got a case building here for workplace relations. And I think you should let your boss know it! Phil is lazy and a Bully. If you feel your job is being threatened by his actions, maybe it’s time to look for support on this thru the right channels. http://www.fairwork.gov.au/Pages/employees.aspx?role=employees

                                            HAve to second this-really and truly this isn’t just unfair it sounds worthy to take to higher chanels.

                                            I’m glad the others are livid about the pay raise! Hopefully he can feel some real peer pressure now.

                                            Vent away-we’re here *hugs* to you and {{Evil Vibes for Phil}}


                                          • lancy
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                                              I hate politics.
                                              Man should take responsbility, not blame his own on others.


                                            • jerseygirl
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                                                An idea….do you have access to the vehicles? I’m thinking you should put a 2nd copy of Phil’s maps for the day in the glove box (for safe keeping ;o) ). That way, when he rings your boss to complain about not having a map, then your boss rings you *roll eyes* you can tell him to tell Phil *roll eyes* that since he’s had trouble misplacing the 1st copy, that you provided a 2nd for him “just in case” and tell your boss where Phil can find it. lol I’d even jot down “Copy #2 . Have a nice day!” on top of them. lol


                                              • Kafrn
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                                                  Hey that could work! . What if I give Scott a copy of everything I give phil. That way if phil ever says “she never sent me there” we could prove otherwise. The computer program we use should have all the info on where he has been, but he manipulates the info that’s entered. But if I give Scott all his appointments then phil can still make up fake waste of time jobs… Don’t know how to get around this… You guys have helped me keep my chin up what would I do without bb I think flopsy can sense something, I’m getting cuddles tonight


                                                • jerseygirl
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                                                    Ive been informed that he isnt talking tto me now because I am ‘out to get him’, so now everything has to go through scott which is a shame

                                                    Well if that’s the way he wants it to be, then maybe you have to give him his work schedule via Scott regardless. 

                                                    “out to get him”….  .*snort*    AS IF!!!

                                                    So…..where does he live. Want me to go egg his car or sumfink?

                                                    Glad your home and away from ugly problems and getting some bunny snuggle!


                                                  • Lintini
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                                                      *cracks knuckles* lemme at ’em lemme at em!!!


                                                    • Elrohwen
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                                                        That is absoloutely horrible! I know how it feels to have a job where you’re treated completely unfairly and it’s really really hard. Take care of yourself and definitely look at getting a different job if you think nothing will change. Having a bad job can really negatively affect your life! ((hugs))


                                                      • Sage Cat
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                                                          Wow – i cant imagine having to deal with such people.
                                                          Glad you have us to vent to.

                                                          Big Sharp bunny bites to Phil & Bunny kisses to You!!


                                                        • TARM
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                                                            I have a co-worker that I don’t get along with at all. Not to the extent of this jerk…but bad enough. I think you should request an in-person meeting with Scott and Phil and just say that you are very concerned about the communication problem between you and Phil and that you really want to remedy it asap. Mention that none of the other guys are having problems finding their jobs and you want to know where the breakdown is happening with Phil so you can be extra diligent when preparing his work orders for the day. Then you can suggest that Scott approve the paperwork and he can hand it to Phil, that way everyone will be 100% confident that he has all of the info he needs to get his jobs done. If Scottl says he doesn’t have time to babysit or play games like that just tell him it’ll only take about 30 seconds for him to glance at it and that it would really solve a lot of headaches for him. 30 seconds vs. 15 minutes getting frustrated between phone calls sounds like a much better deal to me.


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                                                              hmmm… I have to say I am pretty sure that neither Phil nor your boss Scott would handle things the way they do if you were a guy also.


                                                            • Elrohwen
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                                                                Unfortunately I think Petzy’s probably right on 🙁

                                                                I love the idea of going over everything with the boss and having him hand everything to Phil. It’ll be completely transparent that Phil has everything he needs


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                                                                  IS there any way you could get Scott on a speaker phone with PHil not knowing and let Scott hear the morning conversation of where PHil is to go and what not.       Then when Phil comes in to blame  you for stuff SCott will see what is really happening.

                                                                   


                                                                • skibunny8503
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                                                                    Oh wow! That is absolutely horrible! There are people that are unemployed searching for jobs out there and there’s Phil sitting on his arse and fooling around. I don’t think I would be able to stay, I would probably be punching Phil by now….and shoving those “missing maps” down his throat. I’m not a violent person at all….really *thump* I’d get a tape recorder (or is it digital recorder now….) and tape all of your conversations. Would this be considered harassment?
                                                                    I hope Phil gets it in the end!


                                                                  • Monkeybun
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                                                                      Sounds like Phil needs to get neutered to get rid of those aggressive tendencies…
                                                                      >.>


                                                                    • Kafrn
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                                                                        Lol, im just imagining the look on his face if I tell him he needs to be neutered to fix his aggression problem!

                                                                        Scotts Dad, the founder of the company took me aside this morning and told me not to worry about anything. he said he is a manipulator and a liar and that he has had a word to scott about what he sees is going on, and it will all be resolved. Then Phil came in and Robert let him have it.
                                                                        He pulled out all the cards and the information of some of the properties that Phil has complained about, handed them to Phil and asked what the problem was. Phil went through them and showed Robert his problem, and robert pointed out to him that none of the stuff that Phil had complained about was even happening. Phil went quiet. then Robert told him to get his facts straight before calling scott and whingeing in his ear. Phil yelled that Scott had asked to hear about every problem that he was having, and Robert pointed out that he was just making them up. Phil yelled at me (I guess for effect) and carried on that we will get sued if this keeps happening. Robert said there is nothing happening Phil, its all in your head.
                                                                        Phil went through some of the maps of peoples houses that we have trying to catch me out. He stood there for half an hour until he found something. He asked me why I had ticked the card. Il ooked it up on the computer and said it was because he hadnt filled the card at the time, so I had called him and he told me he had been to the job. He went off at me and said that would never have happened. I showed him 3 other jobs that its happened at. he went quiet. Robert just watched. then Phil got his invoice book and looked it up to see if he had billed the people on the card that day. No invoice. He must have told me that he had been there to do the job, but never gone. He took the card quietly and walked out of the office …. (Must be how cards and maps are gonig missing)

                                                                        so its still all up in the air. Im here by myself today, which is far more pleasant! I feel like I can start to get my head back into gear now…. Im going to get my resume up to scratch this afternoon so that I can apply for a few jobs that are around the place. Robert sure sorted out things this morning, but no doubt Phil will call Scott and I’ll get another phone call this afternoon. Phil wont let me off easy after this morning.


                                                                      • TARM
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                                                                          At least the head honcho sees what’s going on. It’ll resolve. Do you like your job other than this one idiot? If so it would be a shame to leave it and go elsewhere. I love my job and I love most of my co-workers. I’m not about to leave just because two people are irksome. If you leave he wins. I wouldn’t give him that satisfaction.


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                                                                            ME too I am with TARM  I would stay to win for myself not let him win. 

                                                                            There are soem good ideas about the maps going thru Scott to Phil. with Scott getting a 2nd copy that way Needs Neutering can’t  blame it all on you and twist things around.

                                                                            Hopefully Scotts dad will make sure Scott knows what is really going on.  Recording the conversations is also a good idea.  I would sure do it without Phil;s knowledge.    Then when he starts with Scott play it for scott there is nothing phil can say except foot n mouth disease.

                                                                            Also a speaker phone without phil knowing so Scott  can hear the real thing.  The recording conversation is a good one as well.

                                                                            Take care   Keep your head.  You will win,


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                                                                              Posted By Monkeybun on 02/11/2010 03:48 PM
                                                                              Sounds like Phil needs to get neutered to get rid of those aggressive tendencies…
                                                                              >.>

                                                                              Haha! Good idea!Let’s do it before he starts to pee around.

                                                                               


                                                                            • Kafrn
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                                                                                lol hehehehehehehehe ewwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwww lancy!


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                                                                                  Well, better that than the humping O.o


                                                                                • Kafrn
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                                                                                    OMG OMG OMG OMG you wont believe what just happened!
                                                                                    I just had a phone call from a lady who Phil went to see last week. He was meant to check all traps at the property. He told us he had checked all the traps.

                                                                                    The lady called me to complain about 10 minutes ago. She said that Phil called her this morning and told her that he was sorry, he couldnt check her traps, and not to call the office, he would come and check them for her in 4 months when the next check is due. He also told her that he was the owner of the business so there was no need to call the office. She was furious and rang to complain about his manner. especially since she has termites and Phil didnt even bother looking for them.
                                                                                    Scotts first day of holidays today. But she wanted to talk to the real boss. So Scott is sorting it out with Phil now.

                                                                                    I just cant believe Phil would call her to tell her not to tell us! unreal!


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                                                                                      If Phil is lying and covering stuff up and spending his work time at the pub then it’s entirely possible that he’s got a serious drinking problem.
                                                                                      – Annette


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                                                                                        True, that or gambling . He really is digging his own hole. Kafrn, be careful you don’t get caught up in the mess.


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                                                                                          Yeesh… if I were Scott, I’d get rid of that idiot.


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                                                                                            We already know that he gambles, but can’t do anything about that because it’s his business… But don’t worry I’m not getting involved in this problem. I just asked the lady with the complaint to tell Robert so he didn’t hear it from me . Because normally phil would find a way to make this my fault. But might not be so easythis time. Maybe Scott will see the truth now. But yeah it’s between him and them now.


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                                                                                              I feel bad for him though. I feel bad that he is going to get in trouble even after all of this.


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                                                                                                Posted By Kafrn on 02/15/2010 01:43 AM
                                                                                                I feel bad for him though. I feel bad that he is going to get in trouble even after all of this.

                                                                                                We have a saying like “help the poor in need, not the poor indeed”  (I don’t know if there is a conterpart in English). The difference between these two poors is the former has desire to improve situation and get better while the latter is just used to being helped and has no motive to do anything. He/she is satisfied with what he/she has and who he/she is. There is almost nothing you can do. 


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                                                                                                  Hi, Kafrn,
                                                                                                  I’m sorry to just be reading this now, but I had a problem with a coworker myself last week and I definitely know how you feel.
                                                                                                  First, let me say that dealing directly with Robert, and sending the customer to Robert, was the way to handle it. He’s obviously no one’s fool, unlike his son, and he doesn’t intend to let this loser (or pair of losers) screw up his business. Phil has committed more than one fireable offense, and he should be let go immediately. He doesn’t have a leg to stand on when it comes to threats either, so don’t believe any of his exiting bull.

                                                                                                  Robert has the serious problem of having a dip for a son who can’t run the business well. That’s a permanent problem for him since it’s family owned, but I’m grateful for your sake that you had someone over Scott’s head to go to. If you want to stay, hang in there because you’ve got the head honcho backing you. What he was watching was Phil’s behavior toward you, toward himself, and when caught in a lie. Why this is continuing I can’t imagine. Now that Phil is messing with customers, it’s time to cut him loose.

                                                                                                  As for any further lies about you, you need to document absolutely everything. Sending a copy to Scott was excellent and important. As long as Phil is still there, every conversation with him in person warrants you pulling out a pad of paper, writing his exact words, and repeating them back to him quietly saying “I understood you to say this, is this correct?” If you really want to get to him, ask him to initial his statements to confirm. Documentation at the time is like insurance at an accident. Doing this will probably stop his abusing you, but not his lies. You keep writing down what you’ve done. You can have a calendar open on your computer to daily, and just type in each item as you accomplish it (handed Phil today’s map; filed invoice for 2/15; etc.) and then send the daily report of accomplished tasks to Scott, or just print and keep in your own file. It’s a lot of extra work, but it will cover your butt.

                                                                                                  The thing to ask yourself is whether you like the job otherwise as the others have suggested. A family run business has fewer rules and contractual obligations to their staff, which is why people who would be fired from larger companies go on their own and start a business – no one else would tolerate their crap. So Scott is clearly a large part of the problem. If you don’t mind him once Phil is out of the picture, and you like the daily work, the pay, the hours, the other coworkers, then expect this situation to be over soon (Phil crossed a line with Robert. He’s hung himself already) and stay.
                                                                                                  If you are supressing a dislike of this place for more reasons than harassment from Phil, work on your resume, don’t say anything to anyone, and start quietly searching. Try not to quit before you’ve had a job offer. Use your sick days for interviews. Specify to job prospects that you need to give 2 weeks notice and confidentiality from your current employer. (That says you won’t walk out on the new boss if you insist on playing fair with the current one.) Once you have a new offer in hand, give notice. Scott will probably not need 2 weeks from you. Expect bad behavior from him or a raise offer. They will take it personally.

                                                                                                  I’ve walked out on bad situations at work in the past, so I am speaking from experience. The economy is bad enough right now that it may take twice as long to find something as it would have 2 years ago. But you can always call a temp agency if you just have to walk. I think you may find you can stay and even ask for a raise once Phil is gone, to compensate for the extensive harassment you have tolerated from him.
                                                                                                  Hang in there!


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                                                                                                    Hi pam!
                                                                                                    you have hit the nail right on the head! Robert is the one who is keeping the company together at the moment — Scott went on holidays yesterday and didnt even tell any of us he was going, so I am rescheduling all his appointments for him today.
                                                                                                    phil came in this morning and tried to stay out of roberts way (he still doesnt know that the customer complained) and Robert is taking him to that job first thing tomorrow morning to sort out what is going on… I might hide under my desk tomorrow I dont think its going to be pretty.
                                                                                                    I have been working on my resume, and Im really looking forward to getting another job. Roberts Daughter is not the easiest person to work with, she comes in for half a day a week, gives me all her jobs to do, and gets paid double what I get, and she doesnt come in for the rest of the week…
                                                                                                    I do like it here, but as you said, its a family business, and I really get stuck in the middle of it sometimes, when there are family issues and petty arguments happening…. I just try to keep to myself and do my work, but it can be hard.
                                                                                                    Looking forward to a nice job where everyone is treated equal, and get paid for the hours that they do thanks so much for the support!

                                                                                                    PS what do you mean by contractual obligations to staff? Cause Im the only one who doesnt get holidays. Because Im not family. Phil does, but hes a guy. Thats the impression I get anyway. Is that what you mean?

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