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User is Offline Petzy
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02/10/2010 09:46 AM

I had been talking with Jerseygirl about this as she had mentioned seeing a litter material of cardboard chips (brand name Ecobed) to buy where she lives. These cardboard litters are made from print-free plain cardboard, the kind we use for our rabbits anyways.

I can't buy the Ecobed litter where I am but I thought I'd try making my own to see if it is worthwhile.The better your shredder the easier it is to make it. My shredder requires me to break the cardboard into rather small pieces so it took me about 10 minutes total to remove any tacks, stickers and tape from the boxes and make enough to fill my large litter cage.

Absorbency is excellent,  and there is no dust. I do have one problem, though, my shredder is the confetti type and the cardboard pieces attach themseves to my angora rabbit's skirt.

I took pictures to show how much cardboard I used.

 

one medium box and one small

I broke up the pieces to half of what is shown here so not to kill my shredder

 

will post tomorrow about odor; so far I can't tell.

 

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User is Offline Elrohwen
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02/10/2010 10:13 AM

Very eco-friendly! I'm curious to see how it works.

I like that it's dust free. Whenever I've used carefresh I've ended up with papery cardboard dust all over everything.

- Elrohwen

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02/10/2010 10:32 AM
Ooo that's a good idea! I don't have a shredder though... One thing though (and this may not matter to you anyway) I wonder how rough the cardboard is on your shredder.... I mean, obviously that's what the shredder is for, but since cardboard is much thicker than just paper, I'd think it would wear out the shredder blades faster.
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User is Offline Petzy
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02/10/2010 10:40 AM

hehe, yes, you called it right, Barbie! It is not an industrial shredder but my boyfriend bought it for me specifically for making litter, newspaper shreds at the time. It's a Fellowe's heavy-duty one. It says it can take 12 sheets of paper at a time and I put the cardboard through in small single sheets.


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02/10/2010 10:50 AM
Awww what a good boyfriend!
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02/10/2010 10:53 AM
That is such a good idea!
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User is Offline Sarita
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02/10/2010 10:54 AM
Very cool! I don't have a shredder at home though but if I had an industrial size one I would surely consider doing this (once I read about your thoughts on odor).

I usually have about 5 to 6 cardboard boxes a week from the restaurant supply company where I buy my veggies for the buns so it would definitely be cool to recycle them in this way.

User is Offline Petzy
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02/10/2010 11:01 AM
that's part of the reason I got the shredder. we have to take our trash to the landfill and the less waste we have the better. By turning boxes into litter I end up composting it and we have less bulk trash.
this shredder was just under $100 so I have to make a lot of litter to make it pay for itself.

The odor issue has improved for me since I changed my set-up. The rabbits love the big litter cage and it is attached to their pen where my laundry corner is; it smells soapy there most days and covers the bunny scent. I hope the rabbits don't mind.
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User is Offline Petzy
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02/10/2010 12:19 PM
Posted By Elrohwen on 02/10/2010 11:13 AM.


I like that it's dust free. Whenever I've used carefresh I've ended up with papery cardboard dust all over everything.

 

I found this comparison of litters as far as dust goes:

(from Ecobed's website www.ecobed.co.uk/)

This is an extract from the table of data produced by University of Liege Belgium when using EcoBed.

Respirable dust particles by litre of air and viable spore concentrations (colonies forming units (cfu)) in 1.5 cubic foot of air of Aespergillus fumigatus (A. fumigatus), Faenia rectivirgula (F. rectivirgula) and Thermoactinomyces vulgaris (T. vulgaris) in different types of bedding and supplement (Mean ± standard deviation).

  Respirable dust A. fumigatus F. rectivirgula T. vulgaris
  Particles/
litre of air
cfu/42.45
litres of air
cfu/42.45
litres of air
cfu/42.45
litres of air
Wood shavings 31492 ± 12910 710 ± 124 53 ± 29 79 ± 59
Good Straw 11571 ± 4897 402 ± 214 18 ± 17 33 ± 17
Flax Straw 9251 ± 1776 104 ± 23 10 ± 9 60 ± 13
EcoBed 6744 ± 1925 1.1 ± 1.9 0 ± 0 0.1 ± 0.4
Values with no common designations are significantly different (p < 0.05) (Mann-Whitney statistic test).

I am surprised you found Carefresh dusty. I have never used it but their website claims it is free from dust. 

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User is Offline Petzy
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02/10/2010 12:43 PM

I found another co. that makes a similar litter to Ecobed. (It is kind of crazy to see ripped newspaper to buy. )

Their products are really clean by the sounds of it, they vacuum up any dust prior to baling it. Plus, they say the cardboard is new, not used.

www.finacard-uk.com/index.php

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User is Offline Elrohwen
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02/10/2010 01:13 PM
I haven't used Carefresh in a litter box, so I can't comment on that, but at times I have lined my gerbils cages with it. Within a week there was a layer of dust on top of the cage lids and all over the table around the cages. It was a lot! Part of it could be that gerbils are very busy shredders and will shred any bedding down into smaller sizes, so they could've caused some dust. I never noticed any dust from aspen shavings over the course of a week or two though.
- Elrohwen

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02/10/2010 04:32 PM

Girl, you are commited! That's a good shred size. I found this US based company. http://www.airliteusa.com/critterstrips.html Also, found Oz one that I think airlite might be parent to. Bedding is called Eco Animal Bedding. http://www.ecoab.com.au/products.html

I put woody pet back in litter box last night. I only tried sheets of cardboard. Probably should have changed it sooner. Urine smell not too bad it was just smell of wet cardboard I didn't like. Noticed that right away with the stuff I added. I do think you get different results depending on type of cardboard you use.
Petzy, be interested to see how this works out for you. Recycling like this is great.

I was reading about zeolite - used as a horse stall deodoriser. Might look into adding this to my litter trials. Sometimes a combo of things may give the best result.

Sarita, those boxes sound good as likely they are classed "food grade" so safe.
 

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User is Offline Petzy
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02/10/2010 05:27 PM

The advantage of the manufactured litter like CritterStrips is that they are made from pre-consumer waste. Who knows where the cardboard has been that I used? Boxes travel.
Zeolite can only be used under a grate, though.

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User is Offline Monkeybun
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02/10/2010 05:39 PM
I use carefresh for my 2, and I haven't noticed alot of dust. They hay has more dust than the carefresh does

User is Offline Karla
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02/11/2010 04:06 AM
So what is the verdict on the smell? Molly peed on a cardboard box the other day, and it smelled horribly, but I have to admit I was too lazy to throw out the cardboard box and the smell disappared again once it dried up.

I am really curious about the experiment!! We could save lots of money if this works out. There are lots of stores close to me where I can get free cardboard boxes, so fingers are crossed that the experiment works.


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02/11/2010 06:00 AM

Keeping in mind that my house is very dry and cool this time of year, after 24 hours there is no smell, even close to the litter. When I have used newsprint shreds I usually have some smell by now. The cardboard strips, being small and corrugated, absorb much more liquid than newsprint or Aspen shavings. I should get some Yesterdays News and compare it too that. -- Anyone here got some YN and is willing to do an experiment? I want to put some of my strips into a glass and see how much water they will absorb; I'd like to compare it with YN since it has such a small particle size also and is paper-based.
Karla, I think once the cardboard is broken up into shreds with the corrugated edges exposed, urine won't stay on the surface for long as it would on a flat piece of cardboard.

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User is Offline Elrohwen
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02/11/2010 09:20 AM
Posted By Petzy on 02/10/2010 06:27 PM

The advantage of the manufactured litter like CritterStrips is that they are made from pre-consumer waste. Who knows where the cardboard has been that I used? Boxes travel.
Zeolite can only be used under a grate, though.



 

I'm not really worried about this, personally, since Otto never ever tries to eat his litter. But it would definitely be something to be concerned about with a bun who did nibble. A grid would be a nice solve.

- Elrohwen

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02/11/2010 09:51 AM
I will keep making this litter even though the boxes I have are from packaging. I give boxes to play with and rip up anyways. I think if your rabbits are healthy it should not pose a a risk.
So far I am in favor of this material. Neigey and Mops both slept in this litter this morning apparently approving of its softness. I trimmed Mops' skirt so the strips won't stick to him. The strips are very diggable and Mops is crazy about that. they don't fly out as much as wood pellets do.
The grid cage I still use, too, on the other side of their pen so they don't forget how to use it. I don't use any litter under the grid now so I can keep an eye on their waste pruducts easily; it is hard to see anything in a mess of cardboard and hay fines.
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User is Offline Sarita
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02/11/2010 10:05 AM
I think it's a great way to recycle! I'm not inclined to get one of those industrial strength shredders or else I would do this too. Too bad you don't live near me Petzy or I'd be donating my boxes to you. I usually have about 5 or 6 a week that I just toss. I'm awful about recycling right now.

User is Offline Petzy
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02/11/2010 10:19 AM
Yes, I am already thinking I won't have enough cardboard. I will enlist a friend who lives in town to collect for me.
If you lived nearby Sarita I would shred for you
You might get a nice shredder at a liquidation place. Or is it the space for it you don't have?
I have a back-up recycling crew. My dogs beat cardboard boxes to flat bits. I have cardboard all over my yard, it is actually time to clean it up today.
--How can I tell if cardboard is infested with cockroach eggs, anyone know?
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User is Offline Sarita
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02/11/2010 10:25 AM
Well, I'm sure I could make space but I'm going through a huge declutter phase for a few years now. Also, I don't have a basement so the only place I could really do this would be my one car garage and I'm really trying to declutter this which is not easy with my DH - he has added an old stove which I'm not happy about because I was doing so good decluttering this space.

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02/11/2010 10:27 AM
Do you have cockroaches in Canada??? I thought cockroaches only lived in hot countries. Sorry, OT, but I just learned something new there.

I hope you find someone with YN soon who can help you with the test. I can only help with wood pellets.

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02/11/2010 10:36 AM
Yes, roaches turned up in an apt building even here, but the people that brought them came from the soouth. so maybe I need not worry. I just want to know how to tell if cardboard is clean. I just asked my neighbors, nice clean people and they will collect boxes for me.
sarita, I have never seen your place but I live wiith the most persistent clutterbug on earth. It is a struggle. If I want to toss something he will take is aside and say "let's put it here for now" and it stays there. I woud like to trade basement for garage by the way....
We could test the Wood Pellets too, Karla. Let's do it if you feel like. You do things in liters? If you would measure 1/4 of a liter of litter (pay attention to the 't's) and see how many ml of water it will hold without letting any liquid run out. Take pictures if you can.
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User is Offline Karla
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02/11/2010 10:45 AM
Okay, will do! And yes, I got the t's figured out - good one LOL I've run out of litter and probably won't go shopping again before Satuday morning (Thursday evening here), so it will have to wait 'til then.

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02/11/2010 10:58 AM
No rush. I am still looking for members willing to test the absorbency of other litters too.
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User is Offline Petzy
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02/11/2010 11:02 AM
To circumvent the conversion confusion from ml to oz. and imperial vs U.S. why not measure litter volume and water volume in equal parts. Like you make rice, you know?
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02/11/2010 11:04 AM
Okay Professor Petzy - I have Lone Star Bedding which is a pellted pine - do you need that tested? If so, can you give me the instructions again on how you want this done?

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02/11/2010 11:07 AM
I use carefresh, I will test that one! Yes how do you want to test these?!
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02/11/2010 11:15 AM
Posted By Sarita on 02/11/2010 12:04 PM
Okay Professor Petzy - I have Lone Star Bedding which is a pellted pine - do you need that tested? If so, can you give me the instructions again on how you want this done?


Are you making fun of me? --I can take it....

I will post my absorbency demonstration today and make instructions clear. I hope.

*It would be a good idea if several members tested the same material, too, so yes, please test the Lone Star brand litter if you are up for it.

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02/11/2010 11:21 AM
i use feline pine do you want me to test that? or is someone all ready doing that.
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