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02/22/2010 01:40 PM

LOL ok I'll try not to let them drive me insane   Oh geez I should have used the cube that would have been so much better!  Ok next time I'll use the cube!  It's hard with Archie because well with Gracie when she was about to attack her ears went forward and you knew but with Archie he'll be fine one minute and not the other and just attack.  Would petting him when he pushes his head down and Sandy not doing anything maybe help his aggression?  I'm thinking tonight setting up the x-pen so the bathroom is smaller and putting them there maybe putting 5 layers of sweaters on too

Thanks for the vibes Jersey, I think I'll need as much as possible with these 3 devils

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02/22/2010 01:49 PM
Petting them both helps keep them checked. Petting them hard down the length of their bodies I mean.

Another thing to try is putting the two rabbits on your legs. One rabbit on each leg and keep moving both your legs in and out as you are sitting on a chair in a upright position, so that the rabbits 'meet' when your knees meet. It is a stressing technique and keeps you in control of how close they get to each other. If one rabbit decides to jump off, it's OK, it isn't very high. You might want to wear thick jeans, lined ones... LOL.

When you have them inside the cube sitting on top of the washing machine and they act up, pick up the cube briefly and swiftly put it back down hard, like a thump.
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02/22/2010 07:07 PM

OMG, I'm so angry right now!  I really don't think I have the patience for them anymore   I had my husband make the cube before he went to work and I put a blanket in and put Archie and then Sandy in.  He snapped and attacked her.  I thought maybe it's the blanket so I took that out and put a tile down and but Sandy back in.  He went at her again and she fought back just growling at each other.  I had gloves on and I put them in to separate them and Sandy bit the front of my hand (and I have skinny hands so it HURT!!), and that's when I pretty much got upset with them.  Yelling at them to stop, I pushed their heads down and said NO!!  A few seconds later let them go and they just attacked each other.  I was too afraid that someone was going to get hurt, just circling around growling and biting at each other.  He just really hates her now and I can't even get them next to each other without them biting each other.  UGH I'm just so upset right now.  I don't know how much longer I can keep this up.  Obviously I didn't end it on a good note because I was just so upset and put them back in their cages.  We're actually worse than we were in the beginning, he can't stand her now and wants to kill her.  I dunno, I'm just really loosing patience here.  I just don't see them bonding.  I know one thing's for sure I'll never try a trio bond again after this.

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02/22/2010 07:36 PM
Awww I'msorry to hear about all the trouble you're having with the bonding. I'm a bit late to this thread but I want to send some (((((((((((((good bunny bonding vibes))))))))))) your way!!!

I haven't read everything so I apologize if this has already been said:

One thing that I do when the bunnies have been fighting... I hold them down like you were doing on their shoulders, and smoosh them right up next to each other so their sides are touching and they're smelling each other but you have a grip on their shoulders and your (gloved!) fingers are close enough to their heads to be able to turn their heads away if they attempt to bite. Hold them there for a bit (as long as they'll let you without trying to squirm away from you) and pet them if you can. Then end the session. I don't know if that even helps (Petzy, opinions?) but I've done that to end the bonding on a "good note" when the session wasn't going very well. They way I see it, forced into that position or not, they were touching and not fighting which is a good thing.

I know it's easier said than done, but... animals are very intuitive and can pick up on your feelings, so try to remain calm. If you go into the bonding session stressed or worried or if you become frustrated, they'll feed off of that vibe and become stressed/worked up themselves. So if you have to scream, put the bunnies away and go scream at a tree I try to keep my voice no louder than a stern "I mean business" tone when they're being bad. I think tone has more impact on them than volume. On the flip side, praise them if they're being good.

Stick with it! (((Hugs!)))
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02/22/2010 07:41 PM
Oh, for future bonding sessions, have something like a pasta strainer (anything that they can't get through - a NIC grid probably isn't ideal because unless you have ginormous bunnies, they'll probably be able to get their noses through the bars and still bite) nearby to stick between them if they start going at it to save your poor fingers!.
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02/22/2010 08:25 PM
Thanks Barbie! I didn't think they would attack like that or else I wouldn't have done it by myself but I just got over my head with their attacks and just had to end it before I got to upset...which at that point I was starting to cry Haha yeah I shouting was probably unnecessary. When I came into if I was calm and thought they would be ok, I knew they might fight but not as soon as I put her down with him. Archie was not pleased at my yelling either, he thumped and Gracie just looked at him like *Gasp* What did you do to piss her off so much?! lol! My mom asked if they made muzzles for rabbits....wouldn't that be a little better, then he could get his aggression out without hurting themselves! lol! I just need a good nights sleep and hopefully be better tomorrow.
Probably just stick them in the tub tomorrow since they are best there....hopefully they still are.
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02/23/2010 08:25 AM

I'm sorry skibunny, (healing vibes for your hand...)I know how discouraging it can be. You might feel better after some days' rest from bonding sessions. It won't hurt to take a break. Even the rabbits will appreciate the break from the aggression.


Barbie's description of how to force ending on a good note is exactly what I had to do with Valmore and Clifford. They hated each other and good notes just didn't exist between them. I did the same for Mops and Neigey, it usually works well.


Remember that you don't have to bond them. But you can if you want to, now or at a later point. What you are seeing is a vicious cycle of attack and retaliate. Your two friends have a little grudge going on. If you want to do a session again do it on the premise of total restraint, (yes, I too, have looked into muzzles for rabbits, and they don't make them...)holding them down in a box on your lap so that they are touching but cannot fight, nip or charge in any way. These sessions are draining because there is no reward for you. When I did them I would just focus on TV and not think of the frustration I felt over the bunnies wanting to fight.
The other thing I had suggested in the past is the wet feet session in a sink with a little water at the bottom. You had said that they would jump out, in that case, eiither get your husband's help, or try it in the tub.Only do this if you house is warm and dry with the heat turned up so nobunny gets cold afterwards, rabbits dry slowly. With very aggressive buns that will fight to break skin you might want to have a cup of room temp. water on hand during any session to break up a serious fight without getting your finger chomped off. You would dump this water on the aggressor's lower back in case they lock their jaws onto one another. It startles them apart. I always have the cup of water with me during sessions in larger space but only had to use it twice.

You could suspend any bonding until the summer and start fresh with an outdoor bonding pen at your parents' possibly.

I would like to point out that you are not at square one really. You had come very far with Archie and Sandy and it is not unusual for two newly bonding rabbits to want to fight.

How is Archie doing with Gracie?

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02/23/2010 01:09 PM

Skibunny, I was thinking about your bonding some more, and watched the videos of Archie and Sandy. Those looked so promising.

There are rabbit bonding situations that aren't about 'good notes' or grooms or signs of friendship. They are about preventing bloodshed and only that. Take this approach and with patience you can wear them down. Any session without bloodshed = step in the right direction.

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02/25/2010 12:18 PM
Thanks guys! I've taken a few days break and might start up tomorrow. Archie and Gracie are doing very well, nothing has really changed between then (except he does hump her sometimes....haven't seen it recently though). BUT today I was in the living room and I heard something, I went to the office to see what they were doing and Gracie I think was trying to hump him but started in the front and climbed over him and then humped him the proper way. Kind of freaked him out and I've only seen her do that twice. Sandy was laying outside her cage right across from them. So I think Gracie was like "This is MY man *hump hump*" LOL! And Gracie poops everywhere in their cage still but I knew that was going.
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