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BINKYBUNNY FORUMS > BONDING > Bonding. . . and unaltered. . . Will it work?
Last Post by VelvetLion7 at 10/14/2009 5:47 AM (33 Replies)
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User is Offline VelvetLion7
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10/02/2009 5:43 PM

I'm trying to bond my two unaltered rabbits, a male and female. . . will this work? 


User is Online Monkeybun
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10/02/2009 5:44 PM
I wouldn't put an unaltered pair together, they'd be doing more baby making than bonding. Wait until one or both have been altered.

User is Offline Jenna, Chubs & Comet
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10/02/2009 7:44 PM
Rabbits can get pregnant at about 4 months of age, and they can get pregnant again very soon after a delivery of kits. An unaltered pair that is male and female will result in baby bunnies...Don't put them together until one or both is speutered.
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User is Offline mrmac
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10/02/2009 8:56 PM

Do not put them together until they are altered. It can take only seconds for a pregnancy to happen. Female rabbits have an especially high risk of reproductive cancers. Most males will become very "humpy" around sexual maturity and may even spray. I strongly suggest that you get them altered.

Here's a good link: http://www.rabbit.org/health/spay.html

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User is Offline Sarita
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10/03/2009 12:18 AM
Absolutely not! You would just be encouraging them to breed and we do not encourage this. Already too many homeless rabbits. The responsible thing is to get them both altered, wait a month, and bond.

User is Offline jerseygirl
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10/03/2009 12:38 AM
I read in your introduction post that the male is 2, female at least 4 months. This means it is VERY likely the female is already pregnant. PLEASE be responsible and get her checked out be a rabbit vet. You can look into an emergency spay if she is in fact pregnant. How long have you been trying to bond the two?
I realise you are new to the forums and were nervous about joining. I'm glad you did as we can help you in this situation. I would like to let you know that members (myself included) are VERY Pro-neutering rabbits to stop the over population problem. You will probably find this message will come across many times!

For now, please take the female to a good rabbit vet. We can assist you in finding one if you haven't already.

User is Offline katie, max & penny
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10/03/2009 8:47 AM
No no no no no no no no no no !!

there's a reason people call it "... like rabbits". have these two been together at ALL? if they have, then your girl has a 95% chance of all ready being pregnant. so pleeeeeease take her to a rabbit savvy vet.

we get some of the "i thought he was a boy but hes really a girl!" pregnancies, but knowingly putting two unaltered buns together is absolutely NOT ok.

i know i sound mean and i can live with that because having two unaltered buns is already tip-toeing on the brink of irresponsibility but putting them together is definitely crossing that line.

i'm not trying to make you feel bad or anything, but you have to know how serious this is. PLEASE take your girl to a vet.
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User is Offline RabbitPam
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10/03/2009 1:14 PM
If you haven't already, please get two cages, at least two feet apart - one for each bunny. Let them out separately for exercise, NOT together. Do not let either get near the other one's cage. They can get pregnant through the bars if left unattended, and can hurt each other by biting if they are aggressive.

We do not condone intentional breeding, so if you knowingly put them together unaltered and have a litter, it would be considered intentional.

If you need help finding a good vet for rabbits for neutering, we can help with that, too.
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User is Offline Petzy
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10/03/2009 2:06 PM
Bonding is about rabbits that have been desexed. Two rabbits together of opposite gender and both intact is breeding.
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User is Offline VelvetLion7
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10/03/2009 2:10 PM
Ok. To get this settled, they have not been anywhere near each other, I was responsible enough to make sure of that. I am one hundred percent positive that Ruby is not pregnant. Their cages are close to each other, about a foot apart but they are rarely both in their cages at the same time. I know how serious this is, but I have yet to find a rabbit savvy vet in the area. Is it better to fix one or both? And if one, then which one?

User is Online Monkeybun
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10/03/2009 2:12 PM
The female probably. If she goes unaltered, she has a very high chance of getting uterine cancer, which just isn't a good thing. I think its around an 80% chance she could get it if unaltered.

User is Offline Sarita
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10/03/2009 2:15 PM
I agree if you have to chose, the female. I hope you can find a good vet to help you.

User is Offline Petzy
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10/03/2009 2:24 PM
well, as you can see, VelvetLion, you opened a can of worms! We are all very anti-breeding as they are so many unwanted bunnies. Great that you did the right thing.
It is very rare that two rabbits get along without fighting unless they are both fixed. The male must be neutered as his drive to mount will prevent any bonding efforts from being successful. Females can be very aggressive for terrritorial reasons. The female, even if she were the exception and very submissive by nature needs to be spayed for her health also. Females are subject to a number of illnesses if left intact.
After you find a rabbit vet, and your rabbits had their surgeries you will need to let one month go by before beginning the bonding process. This is the amount of time needed for their hormones to settle. A male will still mount and can impregnate a female for up to 2 weeks after being neutered and a female can suffer injuries if she is exposed to a male in humpfest mode right after her surgery.
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User is Offline VelvetLion7
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10/03/2009 3:39 PM
Ok. Thanks everybody. I will get Rubes altered a.s.a.p. (And probably Velvet too.)

User is Offline jerseygirl
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10/03/2009 5:38 PM

Rae, thanks for sticking around and clarifying things.  I hope you can see that from your opening line of this thread - it was very easy for us to jump on the "DON'T BREED!" Bandwagon!  We've probably scared people away before.......

I hope this helps you find a vet.  www.rabbit.org/vets/vets.html .  If you feel comfortable about posting your State and general location, perhaps another member may be able to recommend a vet also.

As to bonding - I think the pair living side be side may help in them becoming accustomed to one another but that's about as far as it goes.  With the hormones involved, their instinct to breed will override the social companionship that rabbits do have.  Just natures way!


User is Offline katie, max & penny
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10/03/2009 10:22 PM
agreed thank you for clarifying. i hate pontificating

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User is Offline VelvetLion7
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10/04/2009 4:41 PM
Your welcome. I am kind of afraid of the sky falling on my head again, but. . . complications have arose and my dad doesn't see the need for altering and my mom a) wants to let them have at least one litter and b) thinks it's cruel and unnatural to alter them. They're great parents but I'm having trouble convincing them that this is the best things for my bunnies. Any suggestions?

User is Offline Jenna, Chubs & Comet
Portland, OR
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10/04/2009 4:50 PM
I think providing them with the information- maybe pointing them to the house rabbit web site, or this one- letting them read about the things that (especially a female) a bunny can get from not being altered (uterine cancer, etc). Their mood changes and/or naughty teenager behavior is enough to convince some- also their litter habbits improve with alteration. Also talk to them about the huge responsibility that baby bunnies would be. They are adorable but there can be complications with them, your bunny may choose not to mother them, she could have issues with the birth...also what about when it's time to find them homes? Just give them some information and talk to them about your real concerns. That's my best advice!
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User is Offline katie, max & penny
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10/04/2009 5:29 PM

jenna had some good advice.

it sounds like your dad has some issues with neutering in general, not specifically in buns. i collected some websites that can address altering in general:

www.hsus.org/pets/pet_care/why_you_...r_pet.html

www.hsus.org/pets/pet_care/myths_an...ering.html

docs.google.com/gview
www.americanhumane.org/protecting-a...ering.html

 

Also, it may help him to know that in many states, including mine (texas) it is illegal to leave your dog unaltered unless you plan on breeding them for business (not just casual breeding).

 

I think once he sees the reasons behind altering, he may realize the importance of the procedure. good luck!

 

Oh and the sky won't fall on your head- people freaked out because it orginally sounded like you had already housed them together/bred them and we felt a sense of urgency to express the dangers of that.

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User is Offline VelvetLion7
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10/04/2009 5:53 PM
=) Thanks again. I'll try that and let you know what happens.
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