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BINKYBUNNY FORUMS > HOUSE RABBIT Q & A > Baytril prescription
Last Post by Kokaneeandkahlua at 9/26/2009 8:47 PM (12 Replies)
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User is Offline caedmon
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9/05/2009 6:28 PM

Hi guys,

I have a 2 year old rabbit that was recently diagnosed with a urinary tract infection. She had the same thing around this time last year, and was prescribed Baytril which was effective in treating it. Our old vet had moved overseas, so we had to go to a new one for treatment this time around. The vet prescribed Baytril and originally had the labels mixed up with a Dog/Cat prescription, which she then changed to a rabbit one upon realising this, but had only done so for a 1kg rabbit. Last time she was weighed (when she was at the vet for the last infection) she was 2.6kg, but the vet insisted this wasn't an issue. The first time we treated her it only lasted a little over a week, but this time around we were asked to give her 0.3mg twice daily with a 25mg dose, which would last approximately 41 days. I was just wondering if the vet had possibly made a mistake with the prescription?

We've only had her since she was a 1 year old, and she's never responded well to being handled/picked up etc. The first time we had to treat her she did not respond very well at all to syringe feeding and became very stressed for the week long period, producing small/dark feces. I'm concerned doing the same again for as long as 40 days will do her considerable harm.

Sorry if it's inappropriate to ask such questions here, but I'm unsure if there are any other rabbit savvy vets in my area that are able to give a second opinion.


User is Offline QueSará
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9/05/2009 6:56 PM
According to When Your Rabbit Needs Special Care , an oral dosage of Baytril should be 10mg/kg twice daily. If it is given subcutaneously or intramuscular, it is 5-15mg/kg twice daily. For a concentration of 25mg/ml, this would translate to .4ml/kg. And as your rabbit is 2.6kg, that would be about 1ml twice daily. (I'm confused that you wrote 0.3mg, not 0.3ml)

Also note: Do NOT give any dose different than what a vet tells you. I am not a qualified vet, so please don't take my word for this. I would seek a second opinion from a more rabbit savvy vet. ( http://rabbit.org/vets/vets.html ) I'm just taking from a book and my own personal experience.

At any rate, it sounds like the dose is low if that's being given orally.

And I just finished giving Baytril to my bun Eddison. It was far too stressful for him to take orally (and I have yet to hear of a rabbit who likes Baytril! Yuck!), so my vet suggested that I try injecting it instead. (It would be different than your oral form, and a completely different concentration and amount. My bun weighs about 1.35kg and he only got 0.13ml subcutaneously. Please please consult a rabbit savvy vet on this one.) This worked great for him, and he was a lot less stressed.

So best thing I can do is arm you with questions for your vet. Talk to them about the dosage and the possibility of doing it by injection rather than orally (only if you feel comfortable, of course). I hope this helped!

User is Offline Sarita
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9/05/2009 9:10 PM
Honestly that sounds very odd to me.

Also what do you mean exactly that they mixed it up with a dog/cat prescription? That is confusing to me as well.

My vet compounds my baytril for me so I can only speak for my current dosage for my 13 pound rabbit which is .8 ml - it is Baytril liquid 27 mg/ml) and it's for 2 weeks. Compounding it also makes it much more palatable. You could certainly ask about injections too if you feel confident enough to do injections.

I really would question the 40 days as well...

Do look at the vet list that Sara posted a link to as well to see if there are any vets in your area.

User is Offline jerseygirl
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9/06/2009 2:10 AM

I have to question the 40 days also. I've only ever been told to give for 5 days. My 2.2kg Doe had 0.5ml twice daily of oral suspension (25mg) and my 3 kg Buck is currently on 0.7ml twice daily for 5 days. (Though the label had 0.07ml by mistake! - I did ring to clarify) From what I gather, the new vet calculated the dose for cat/dogs, then corrected this but only calculated for 1/2 you rabbits weight? Can you ring another vets office and ask their advice for rabbits?
Also this calculator may help but do talk to a qualified vet. http://homepage.mac.com/mattocks/mo...gcalc.html

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User is Offline RabbitPam
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9/06/2009 2:37 AM

I like the vet finder feature of the House Rabbit Society. I dont know where you live, but if you go into this site and input your zip code, you should see a list of nearby exotics vets that are recommended by HRS. By all means get a second opinion. You want a new vet you feel really good about after losing a qualified one.

www.rabbit.org/faq/sections/vet.html

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User is Offline Sarita
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9/06/2009 3:53 AM
I also wonder if the prescription is not correct for 40 days - maybe a typo - did the vet give you this instruction orally as well?

I am giving my rabbit on baytril this for 2 weeks and usually that's how long I am instructed - no more than that without a follow up from the vet.

User is Offline caedmon
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9/12/2009 2:23 AM

Thanks for the very quick and helpful replies guys! Sorry about not replying sooner, but I've been very ill for the past couple of days.
It turns out I misread/misunderstood the label. I thought it read 25mls rather than 25mg, so it should have only lasted 2 weeks given a 0.3ml twice daily dose. I rang the vet and asked about the amount too, and she said the dose should be fine even it she did weigh 2.6kg, but that I could increase the dose to 0.4ml if desired.
I've also been very fortunate in that I've been able to mix the Baytril in with some carrot juice and simply place it on a small dish. She adores it and even licks the bowl clean every time! I just wish I'd known she'd go for it last time we had to give her Baytril.

Oh, and I also tried contacting other vets from the rabbit.org list (none of them are within a 3-4 hour return trip from my house) but they were unable to give any advice over the phone/via e-mail without having examined her first.

Thanks again guys.


User is Offline Sarita
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9/12/2009 6:49 AM

I hope you are feeling better and I hope that your bunny is better too.

It is so easy to get overwhelmed at the vet so I understand how you got confused. I'm glad you called and confirmed with the vet, in the end that was the best thing for you to do. I always try to confirm everything before I leave the vet, but so many times, it's information overload and I have to reconfirm things too.

And thank you for the update.


User is Offline caedmonster
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9/25/2009 7:25 PM

Hi again guys,
Unfortunately the medicine has not had much effect, and she was given her last of the 2 week dose last night. She originally had a lump near her backside which seems to have reduced in size quite a bit (was told this is similar to lymph glands that swell when humans have an infection), but she is still weeing a lot and it is often milky/white. The vet we are going to won't be back to work until Monday (it's currently Saturday afternoon here), and isn't available to contact outside her working hours.
We had to go get extra Baytril because of the new dose that was arranged over the phone, so we have still have some left over. I was just wondering if anyone would advise continuing to give her the Baytril until we are able to take her in to see her?

edit: unsure as to why it has me logged in as this rather than caedmon, lol


User is Offline Sarita
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9/26/2009 5:36 AM
I don't see a problem with that since it was prescribed specifically for her. If it were me, I probably would knowing that it won't hurt her, it was prescribed for her and I have a follow up with the vet on Monday.

Please keep us updated.

User is Offline KatnipCrzy
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9/26/2009 11:33 AM

You could continue to give the Baytril - just make sure you tell the vet that you did continue to give it- as it will change the results of some tests such as a culture and sensitivity which may need to be done since the infections does not appear to be responding to Baytril.

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User is Offline BB
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9/26/2009 1:12 PM
Posted By Matthew Clarke on 09/25/2009 10:25 PM

Hi again guys,
Unfortunately the medicine has not had much effect, and she was given her last of the 2 week dose last night. She originally had a lump near her backside which seems to have reduced in size quite a bit (was told this is similar to lymph glands that swell when humans have an infection), but she is still weeing a lot and it is often milky/white. 

  

Just wanted to add: Be sure to tell your doctor about the milky white urine.  Though it is normal for some calcium to be excreted, if you are seeing alot of this, you may be dealing with a bladder sludge or even stones, which is maybe why the baytril isn't helping long-term, so I would definitely talk  to your vet about when you see him/her.

This can also happen with diet  - if for a few days, there was a calcium rich veggie added,  then you'd see more calcium excreted. 

 

edit: unsure as to why it has me logged in as this rather than caedmon, lol

That is strange. Do you have two accounts? Sometimes people create an account, and later forget that they did, and then create another and then this can happen. I would have said, you may have just changed your "Dispay Name", but it shows different posting amounts, so that means it's two separate accounts. Let me know if you need me to delete one.


User is Offline Kokaneeandkahlua
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9/26/2009 8:47 PM
I would keep an eye and wait until Monday-and then see the vet on Monday -Keep us posted!
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