mrmac  San Diego, CA
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| 05/22/2009 05:37 PM |
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So we got a new bunny! Well were trying...We put Davey and Delilah into the kitchen (neutral) with him and it went ok, Davey liked him she didnt pay to much attention to him until we tried to put the new bun into their pen, his new name is Dexter!, Delilah FREAKED!!! We expected her to put up the most fight and she did just cause she is the dominant one. She nipped him and he squealed it was kinda scary, he is soooo friendly and social with people.
 
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jerseygirl  Australia Posts: 11348


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| 05/22/2009 05:49 PM |
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Gorgeous! Congratulations of bringing home Dexter. The females do get pretty territorial about their space don't they?! Stick to neutral space because the interaction you described there sounds positive. Early days - so best of luck! |
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mrmac  San Diego, CA
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| 05/22/2009 06:03 PM |
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Yes the kitchen was good, but we are just going to ahve to clean and replace things in their pen so theat it becomes more neutral and they have to start over marking things...She was so mean, I knew she would be but I wasnt expecting that! We will start trying again late tonight or maybe in the morning. |
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mrmac  San Diego, CA
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| 05/22/2009 06:26 PM |
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Is it normal for the old bonded pair to fight?! |
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jerseygirl  Australia Posts: 11348


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| 05/22/2009 07:05 PM |
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They can if a new bun is introduced into the household. Or any new pet for that matter. They can also have falling outs regardless. A little drive around with them together in a carrier might help. Are you housing Dexter nest to Davey & Delilah? Is there any other possible areas you could do bonding sessions in? Laundry, bathroom? |
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mrmac  San Diego, CA
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| 05/22/2009 07:40 PM |
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After seeing her attack him today I want to aviod that at all costs!!! It was just so unlike her and I do realize that her world turned upside down but still! Delilah is the dominant one, she never would let Davey mount her...ever, but she would do it to him but today Dexter mounted Davey and her which was really odd that she actually let him do that to her. It was quite odd. If I would take them in the car should I put them all together (eek scary) or separate? We did the first meeting in the kitchen this afternoon around 4-5ish and we're going to mix it up between there and the bathroom, and try the car at some point. How often should I be doign sessions with them and how far apart? We put Davey and dexter together in the kitchen at about 8ish and Davey just wants to be friends...he snuggled and cleaned Dexter a little and Davey even flopped with him. I'm kinda nervous to even put Davey back in the cage with Delilah, they had a fight earler when I think he smelled like Dexter.

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jerseygirl  Australia Posts: 11348


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| 05/23/2009 02:43 AM |
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Looks like Davey & Dexter made fast friends.
Personally, I would not start bonding sessions just yet. As Dexter is so new to the household, perhaps let them get used to each others presence from afar. Bonding can be stressful to the rabbits and Dexter has not likely had much time to settle into his new home. Testing them out in neutral space as an introduction would be ok but I would be hesitant to go straight into full bonding sessions.
I was suggesting only Davey & Delilah having a car trip. It may help strengthen their bond if you believe it has been compromised. I believe you were looking at rescue buns (youngish). Is Dexter young? Is he neutered? If not, this could cause part of the reaction from Delilah. I cannot remember, are Davey and Delilah siblings? They look so alike.
I'm not sure if you've already seen it but there's some bonding info under Bunny Info tab top of page. This may give you tips on how to get started. |
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mrmac  San Diego, CA
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| 05/23/2009 07:19 AM |
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Dexter is about 4-5 months old, he has been neutered. Deavey and Delilah were together when we got Davey then all the other buns in the cage with her were sold and she was the last one so we took her! We think they are related, or at least that is what we were told. I think Davey would bond with anything he is so friendly with Dexter and this is how he was with Delilah when we introduced them. |
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mrmac  San Diego, CA
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| 05/23/2009 08:40 AM |
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Davey we think has turned into the protector...Since he and Dexter like eachother he seems to be like staying between Deter and Delilah. Davey and Delilah were in their pen and Dexter went up to the outside of the pen and sniffed Delilahs nose then it looked like she tried to nip him but then Davey started chasing Delilah. He almost seems like he want Dexter to be with him but he wants Delilah to calm down. Since Delilah is dominant could she be freaking out cause she may not be the dominant one anymore and has to re establish herself under Daveys rules? |
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Sarita 
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| 05/23/2009 10:26 AM |
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Well I think if Dexter and Davey seem to be getting along that is good and honestly I would not wait - the best time to start for all is right away since all are altered. It sounds like you will have an interesting bonding. He is very cute - he looks to be a rex mix to me. |
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mrmac  San Diego, CA
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| 05/23/2009 11:05 AM |
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Yeah Davey and Dexter want to be buddies but Delilah just keeps pushing to hard. Sher sticks her little nose through the bars and nips at him so we are trying the spray bottle, but she doesnt seem to phased by it unless you get her really good. She is curious about him but just dosent want to give in so easily...I trimmed Dexters nails to day and he is the best nailtrimming bunny I have ever seen! He is already purring and flopping when we let him out. |
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mrmac  San Diego, CA
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| 05/24/2009 05:42 PM |
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Well...things arent going as planned. Davey and Delilah havnt been getting along too well, Davey has been chasing her and they got in a big scuffle today and now she has a boo boo on her eye. Delilah is just being SOOOO aggressive. We took them into the bathroom today and she like attacked my husbands hand to try and get to Dexter. I keep getting more worried though cause she isnt letting up and Davey is trying to make Dexter groom him and Dexter wont but Davey is at least attempting and he licks him occasionally too. I dont want to risk any of them getting hurt. That is fine if we have a lone bun, but the goal was to have 3. Whenever she sees Dexter, she just goes for him, her tail goes straight out and she is just fixated on him. This is the set up we have them in right now, all are separated, Delilah-white cage, Davey-back left and Dexter-right. Should I just bond Dexter and Davey and keep Delilah separated since they're getting along?

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Sarita 
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| 05/25/2009 10:32 AM |
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Well aren't Delilah and Davey bonded? It would not be fair to break the bond for Delilah if they are. |
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mrmac  San Diego, CA
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| 06/01/2009 09:48 AM |
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Davey and Delilah ahve been together still, and Dexter is seperate. Delilahs nipping at Dexter through the bars isnt quite as much but is still there. We are dealing with the poo war as well...little poos everywhere! We have also been trying to sit in Davey and Delilahs side of the pen and if she goes for him, we tap/poke her side to snap her out of her Dexter fit, and she has also now learned 'stop' and 'no'. If I tell her to stop she does, and she will turn around, go back in her house, and lay back down, then I give her a good pet and she comes running out and licks my face. Hopefully she is getting a little better. |
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mrmac  San Diego, CA
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| 06/03/2009 10:46 AM |
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I took them on a car ride today...it went I guess how its supposed to go?! The poo wars are still going on and it needs to stop! There is sooo much poo! Now Delilah has started peeing outside the litter box, and Dexter also. I just wish everyone would get along! |
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mrmac  San Diego, CA
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| 06/05/2009 12:38 PM |
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We've been taking them all on car rides during the day. This morning I put Dexter and Delilah in the bathtub for a little while. Dexter was just neutered in april, are his hormones still going? He would honk then try to hump her, which would make her all jumpy and wierd. Sometimes when he would squish next to her to try and hump her she would nip at him. She did this a few times. I tried to smear banana goo and peanut butter on their heads but nothing...but when Dexter got back in his pen and stuck his nose through the bars Davey licked his head so I will try Davey and Dexter a little later. |
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Petzy 
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| 06/05/2009 01:40 PM |
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I meant to say the entire time that Dexter is sooooooooooooooo gogeous, I love him -- does he have rex fur or what? lop-eared rex, how cute!!! it will be so worth it all the stress of bonding... once it's done! Your post reminded me, I wanna try the banana-on-head thing today with my bonding as well... btw, if he was neutered in april, that's a long time gone by. his hormones should be settled down. My Lint was neutered in February but has been very humpy since I brought Deirdra into the home. |
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"what happened?
did something happen or can I just go back to my hay?" |
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mrmac  San Diego, CA
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| 06/05/2009 02:02 PM |
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He is such a sweet bunny. He is a mini rex. Thats why we want it to work so bad cause all three cuddled up and triangle grooming...it makes me so happy to think of the possibilities and great pictures! I tried Davey and Dexter just a few minutes ago and it went ok. Davey seemed to be more nippy with him but the nipping also started once Dexter honked and tried to hump him and then went on from there...Davey did not approve. Davey asks for Dexter to groom him alot but Dexter refuses, he just wont lick him! So annoying cause then Davey gets frustrated and offended that he wont groom him and then gets nippy I think. I tried banana, and peanut butter...again nothing, but I did smear raisin goo all over Daveys nose and then Dexter finally licked him! But I had to put Dexters face right on the goo spot for him to notice. Dexter is very honky and humpy with them, Davey and Delilah dont really do the humpy thing anymore, on rare occasion, so I think they get annoyed with it. |
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mrmac  San Diego, CA
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| 06/16/2009 12:26 PM |
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Well things are going well. they do quite well outside on the patio, but once inside that a whole other story. Outside only a few nips if Dexter gets too close but he doesnt seem to mind. Dexter has groomed both Davey and Delilah, but no reciprocating yet. I have to keep trying to tell myself that it might work! |
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Petzy 
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| 06/16/2009 01:33 PM |
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More time! It will resolve itself!!! Sending more bonding vibes.... |
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"what happened?
did something happen or can I just go back to my hay?" |
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mrmac  San Diego, CA
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| 06/16/2009 02:01 PM |
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Well I am out on my patio as I type, I have been out here with them for 3 hours so far, luckily I have some reading to do, they have been doing good. LOTS fo Dexter cleaning both of them and...Delilah groomed Dexter! Ahh I got so excited, but then Davey got jealous and nipped him, but he settled down and has started laying down with Dexter near him. They are doing good out on the patio! Maybe theres hope! |
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mrmac  San Diego, CA
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| 06/16/2009 02:23 PM |
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Here are some pics from today, they seem to be kind of sticking together now...weird. Oh and I had to throw in a cute pic of Dexter too! hehe





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mrmac  San Diego, CA
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| 06/17/2009 01:29 PM |
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Well yesterday they were toegther for 6 hours out on the patio, today isnt going quite as well, much more nippy today. They dont want Dexter near them, but only nips, no fighting. |
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MarkBun  Richmond, CA
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| 06/17/2009 02:09 PM |
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I know it can seem like you take a step backward when you have a great day one day and then a fight happens the next but it is typical. You're doing great. If they're letting him groom both of them, then they're beginning to accept him in his new position beneath them - and he's accepting it too.
All the photos actually look like you're making great progress - sharing a litter pan, him animated in front of them without them attacking. All great.
I hadta do this picture though...

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| My bonding quest with Maryann - Read about a less than easy bonding with two buns - but they did bond! |
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mrmac  San Diego, CA
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| 06/17/2009 02:25 PM |
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HAHA! Thats so cute! Currently they are all flopped/loafed out on the patio, Davey and Delilah on one side and Dexter on the other, but they are all together and relaxed and not fighting! Our apartment buildings are getting painted, yesterday and today, so theres lots of ladders banging and generators running, lots of stressing noise, but they dont seem to mind! |
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Petzy 
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| 06/17/2009 02:33 PM |
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oh, wow! You've come so far already! I had a not so good night yesterday, I had them free-range indoors and Lint just got so territorial. i can't see Lint ever grooming Deirdra... but I will pretend like I believe in it for now. Congrats to you, I wouldn't worry too much about the occasional nipping. --Your rabbits are one unique trio to look at!  |
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"what happened?
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mrmac  San Diego, CA
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| 06/17/2009 02:49 PM |
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I have tried, when they come in from the patio, to let them come in on their own and go into their cages, but anything indoors Delilah goes nuts over. She instantly chased him when she thought he was near her cage. We havnt tried indoors yet. Next will be to scrub EVERYTHING inside soon! Oh yay, cleaning! They will be a very odd trio if all goes well, 3 very different bunny personalities! |
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MarkBun  Richmond, CA
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| 06/17/2009 03:03 PM |
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I don't know what the weather is like near you but the next ideal step would be to leave them out on the patio 24/7 for two weeks. That amount of time in neutral territory helps to cement the bond so when you do go to un-neutral space, they're friends and not just aquaintances. |
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| My bonding quest with Maryann - Read about a less than easy bonding with two buns - but they did bond! |
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mrmac  San Diego, CA
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| 06/17/2009 03:32 PM |
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Thats a good idea...It can get warm during the day, thats all I worry about. Maybe some frozen water bottles and a fan would help that. That would give me time to un-scent everything and re-configure a new cage suitable for all three! I worry that they arent ready for that yet though, maybe I am just being a nervous bunny mom. |
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MarkBun  Richmond, CA
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| 06/17/2009 04:50 PM |
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EVERYONE here is a nervous bunny mom. Even us guys. The thing is that if it goes on for another week with nothing but nips and no real chasing going on, I'd say that you're ready for the 24/7 2 week deal. But you'd better know than me. Just realize that there will be altercations, even after they're bonded. I still find a tuft of Dono fur about once a week in the pen - and a tuft of Maryann fur about once a month. |
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| My bonding quest with Maryann - Read about a less than easy bonding with two buns - but they did bond! |
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