Sarita 
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| 03/05/2010 12:29 PM |
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Continued vibes for Peter. |
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jerseygirl  Australia
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| 03/05/2010 03:33 PM |
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Oh there he is!  Cute little fella too! Ditto Sarita there - that's great advice you gave above. |
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Sarita 
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| 03/05/2010 03:38 PM |
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Oh, he's absolutely adorable! |
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BinkyBunny 
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| 03/05/2010 11:52 PM |
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I am so glad you got him help when you did. The advice you gave was right on, and that feeling of something not being right is so important when dealing with bunnies. At those temperatures too, your bunny was going into shock so your actions really were life-saving. It sounds like your bunny is on the road to recovery! With Jacks vet bill that was also over $1000 dollars---can't remember the amount exactly but I know it was around $1300, the insurance reimbursed about $800 total if I am remembering correctly. And it takes less than a month for me to get the reinbursement. You can now even go online and see the claim is-- What process it's in (Entered, Being Reviewed, Payment sent etc etc) Continued healing vibes! |
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KatnipCrzy 
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| 03/06/2010 08:40 AM |
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Are Peters poos normally round and uniform in shape when he is feeling well? My bunny Schroeder, has Cow Poop Syndrome- something that rabbit expert Dana Krempels has reported and is knowledgable about- but vets don't seem to know anything about it. But abnormal poos are a symptom of this disorder. Schroeder has always had large, misshaped poos since I got him. But now that I know he might have a GI disorder- I give him Enulose once a day- and he seems to do well (a prescription medication). |
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| Cotton and Schroeder- Mini Lops
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jess&peter 
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| 03/06/2010 09:25 AM |
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Hi again, Great news to news report (with fingers crossed) -- he's eating, pooping, peeing, and acting pretty feisty. I even got a couple of little binkies last night! He did have a short bout of hiccups last night, which was new, but I offered him hay and they stopped as soon as he started eating. Since I got him home, he's gotten unlimited bowls of greens (easy stuff like red and green leaf lettuce), hay, and pellets. I'm going to keep giving him greens, but should I pull back a little make sure he's eating enough hay? KatnipCrzy, his nornal poop is very uniform. When his episode started, they were still round, but tiny and strung together with hair. I'll keep an eye out for irregular shapes. Thanks for giving me something to look out for! Just wanted to say again -- thank you so much for the support and healing vibes. Your questions, kindness, and support helped both Peter and myself through this. I plan on sticking around and look forward to getting to know you and your bunnies!
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Moonlight_Wolf  United States of America, Pittsford, New York
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| 03/06/2010 09:55 AM |
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Yay! Thats wonderful that he is doing better! I would say that feeding him lots of green is good! I don't think you should necessarily pull back on them to make sure he is eating hay, but I am not sure, someone else might be able to tell you more surely.
My bunny Schroeder, has Cow Poop Syndrome- something that rabbit expert Dana Krempels has reported and is knowledgable about- but vets don't seem to know anything about it.
Cow poop syndrome? Is that when the poop is often irregular? I read it is when the bunny's poop is larger and more egg shaped. Is this true? Because Fern has always had irregular poop shapes, often because they have hair in them? Is this a problem? Is there anything I should do about it? (Sorry about asking a question in your thread Jess&peter)
EDIT: I will have to look at Ferns poop and compare it to your bunny Schroeder's poop (I found the tread about it on Binky bunny). So do you just feed your bunny lactaluse for this? - I read about it and I don't want Fern's intestines to get all scarred up if she does have it. |
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KatnipCrzy 
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| 03/06/2010 12:25 PM |
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Moonlight Wolf-
Schroeder's poos have always been large and misshaped. I got him as an adult from the Humane Society- he was housed at a pet store for adoption. He ate crappy pellets, limited hay and no veggies from what I can tell. So I attributed this to poor diet at first and it did not seem to bother him- so I did not think much of it. Now I know better. Schroeder and Cotton are the same size (within a few ounces) both are Mini Lops- and his poos are about twice the size of Cotton's. His poos are about the same size as Griffin's who is a much larger rabbit.
My vet did not know anything about Cow Poop Syndrome-and even consulted other exotics vet thru an online forum that only vets can subscribe to and pay an annual fee for the "consult" service. None of them knew about CWP. But my vet read the info about CWP, and adivsed me to email a question to Dana Krempels at allexperts and see what the response was. I have started him on the Enulose- I was nervous to start off at full dose- so I worked him up to the 3 mls. Schroeder LOVES the Enulose- in fact he has ruined a couple of syringes by chewing the tip off- he always bites the syringe and tries to pull it into the cage. Enulose is prescription- is not terribly expensive- about $30 a bottle that will last for quite a while. His poos are still larger than what I would consider normal, but they do not look as dry, and they are still mis-shaped most of the time. But I feel better knowing that I am proactively treating the problem. His GI issue was horrid to deal with- my husband and I fought like terrible because I was exhausted from getting up to check on him plus the worry and constant treatment took its toll on me. By the end of the treatment my husband had to take over gettng up in the middle of the night to give meds, rub his belly, etc because I needed to get uninterrupted sleep.
Schroeder also fits the color profile for rabbits that are predisposed to this GI disorder. |
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| Cotton and Schroeder- Mini Lops
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jess&peter 
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| 03/06/2010 01:15 PM |
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Well, he's stopped popping again. It's been about two hours -- I'm trying not to panic. I'm going to give him two more hours, then I'm taking him back in.
He doesn't seem to be uncomfortable -- no restless stretching or lounging yet. He's eaten TONS of greens today -- like three big bowls, eaten hay, pellets, and had plenty of water. He's still on meds for pain and motility. He's been active and happy, I think, since I got him home last night.
Fingers crossed I see something soon...
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Carrot Lane Bunny 
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| 03/06/2010 01:44 PM |
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do you have any papaya tablets? maybe give him one? |
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jess&peter 
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| 03/06/2010 01:48 PM |
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I don't have any on hand -- I'm giving him another hour before going back to the vet. : ( |
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MimzMum  Interior Alaska
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| 03/06/2010 03:26 PM |
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I just went through a bout of stasis with my Holland lop male, and I found that during recovery, the poo will tend to start and stop. Drove me crazy with worry. Everything I've read says that this can be normal and you need to keep the bunny as unstressed as possible and give the treatment time to work. It can take as long as two weeks for all functions to return to completely normal. I'm not sure two hours is long enough to be a concern. But you must go with what you vet has told you to do. Is he in pain? In a hunched position or does he seem to be shivering again? I just reread your post and see that he's eating lots of greens. That's good.  I notice my bun seems to desire more greens since his stasis. As long as stuff is still going in, then something should be coming out probably by this evening. It stinks when they are sick over the weekend. I'm fortunate in that my vet is open Sat.'s & Sun.'s, or I'd be a basket case. (Although some folks here may vote that I already am one...lol.) Come on Peter...let's see some of those lovely rabbit raisins! ((((((((((healthy poo vibes)))))))))))) |
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jess&peter 
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| 03/06/2010 06:52 PM |
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I just got home from the vet -- and of course, after not pooping all day, the second I got him home, he pooped! Not a lot, but some. The vet took an other round of x-rays and found no reason for alarm with what she saw -- no visible blockages, no major gas issues. She gave me a bottle of cisapride tablets to use in conjunction with the reglan and metacam -- has anyone tried this particular combo before? I was told if he didn't poop, or acted lethargic or uncomfortable to take him to the 24 vet tonight. I'm still closely watching him, of course. He's acting pretty much normal -- eating, drinking, and feisty as ever. He's not showing signs of discomfort or pain right now, so hopefully this will be an uneventful night. MimzMum, thank you so much for your post -- it really eases my mind that this is likely normal and it will take him a while to get back on track. I'm so sorry you've gone through this, too! I know I was being slightly alarmist by not giving it more time, but I had a window to get him to his normal vet before they closed and could avoid the expense of the 24 hour vet. What a learning experience this has been. At the risk of sounding like a broken record, I just wanted to say again how much I truly appreciate all of you. The comfort and insight you've given Peter and me has really made such a difference. I am so grateful. I'll keep you posted on this thread if anything changes. Also, I'll let you know how VPI does with the reimbursements...
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jess&peter 
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| 03/06/2010 07:31 PM |
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By the way -- '((((((((((healthy poo vibes))))))))))))' made me laugh out loud. Only a bun's mom would get it. : ) |
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Moonlight_Wolf  United States of America, Pittsford, New York
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| 03/06/2010 08:43 PM |
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More healing vibes going your way!! ((Vibes)) And Katnip - did you have to feed Schroeder Enulose at night? Do you still do that? I will message you so that I don't take up this thread with my questions. |
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sophie*bun 
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| 03/06/2010 08:59 PM |
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jess&peter, I'm sorry you are experiencing this. It is truly awful to watch your bunny struggle with gas or GI. I hope everything will be OK with your bunny. So far, my bunny has had two gas episodes all within the last year. She also flops and lies down on her stomach and looks very uncomfortable. We have taken her to emergency every time and then to her regular vet the next day and discovered it was gas bubbles and possible GI. Sometimes gas bubbles can occur in bunnies even if you do everything right, feed them a proper diet, give them lots of hay/water and exercise, so don't think it's anything that you could have caused. Just like people, they get upset tummies and some buns are more sensitive than others. One thing you have to watch for is the temperature, if their temperature is too low they can go into a shock so it's very important to keep your bunny warm and if possible hydrated (by a syringe). It's handy to have something like Critical Care from Oxbow on hand, because when your bun is having tummy problems and not eating, Critical Care provides their gut with the necessary fiber to help get it moving. Best wishes! |
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jess&peter 
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| 03/07/2010 07:52 AM |
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I'm happy to report that it was an uneventful night -- he slept on my bed again (I put an extra blanket on top of the bed and put his cage in the corner so he'd have access to his litter box / food / hay). I think he was exhausted from not sleeping yesterday afternoon -- he stretched out and went into the funny deep sleep mode with lots of face twitching. : ) He's pooping, too. They're pretty normal looking, though I did find one cluster of 6 pellets stung together with hair. Hopefully it's all starting to come out now. He's still on the reglan / cisapride / metacam combo. sophie*bun, you are so right on. The major thing that was missed on Wednesday night (when he was so close to death) was his temperature -- I just trusted the vet when she said she wasn't concerned. I'm still mad at myself for not knowing about the hypothermia risk with stasis. I actually told the vet yesterday that they made a mistake in sending him back home with me on Wednesday with a temp of 98.8, especially since they also administered room-temp (or cold) sub-q fluids. He was down to 94 when I got him back to the emergency vet around 1am -- they immediately started him on warm fluids and put him in an incubator-like thing to keep get his body temp back up. I hope this info will be a lifesaver to someone else! |
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jerseygirl  Australia
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| 03/07/2010 08:07 AM |
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Oh gosh.... So good you said something though as it can possibly be a learning experience for all. I also saw that meds don't work properly when a rabbit is hypothermic. I'm just so glad that Peter made it! |
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jess&peter 
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| 03/07/2010 08:34 AM |
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jerseygirl, I want to say a special thanks to you for replying back to my very first post -- I'm on the West coast and it was the middle of the night by the time all of this really got serious. It was such a comfort to have communication with someone about what was happening! I'm really glad I said something, too -- I said it to a different vet at the same facility and now I have a note on his chart that we don't want to see the first vet again. I am a firm believe, now more than ever, in seeing someone who really is rabbit-savvy -- the vet we saw yesterday told me that his temp should have been of utmost concern. It's frustrating and awful to know that such a critical mistake was made, but again, lesson learned BIG TIME. I also wanted to share something I've learned about administering the cisapride, which is in pill form -- I've ben crushing the half a tablet dose with the back of a knife, mixing it with a couple drops (tiny drops) of water, and filling a syringe with it. I dipped the end of the syringe in apple sauce, just enough so it tastes like it, and he goes for it immediately. It can also be mixed with Critical Care, but since he's eating regularly, I didn't want to go down that path if I didn't have to. So far so good...
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jerseygirl  Australia
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| 03/07/2010 08:42 AM |
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lol...well as you may have seen, Im in Australia so I'm often on when some of the late nighters in the northern hemi are on. Though it's now 3am here so I guess I'm the late nighter this time round. I was a little worried at the time when you first posted then didn't reply. It turns out you were returning to the vet - thankfully! |
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